Talon-RO review

[celestine520]

I already review Talon-RO in RMS but the box kinda too small, beside server owner replied to me. Saying that there is several review wrote by same person because we had same point of view. So take a note, I don't know about the other person but I'm a totally a different person, I don't even know who the other person but obviously we felt the same way about Talon-RO, and we did not plan this. I'm not using proxy or mask my IP, I'm genuinely different person. There is several review that give perfect mark, all 10s (which I'm sure you knew your own server don't deserve all 10s a perfect mark) but you never thought it might be same person, but when the negative review coming, you think it is.
I'm not a native english speaker, so please bare with my english.

Pros : (thing i like, maybe dont like by other)
- no autoloot, I love the classic way to loot, the feeling when you saw a rare item dropped on the ground the feel you want to hurry up and loot it, instead it just automatically into your inventory without you noticing it. Making the skill greed in use again, balancing economy, looting monster got their role back. They replace it with arealoot, works like greed but smaller area, which is i think a brilliant idea.
- Worthless MVP card customization, make it worth something again.
- Skill drop and fly disable, make sure people really need to kill it in order to get exp.
- adding more quest, like hairstyle quest to get more hairstyle.

cons :
- some cards customization effect the overall gameplay, like gargoyle, stem worm and sting cards. some equipment and skill become useless.
- all cards and some rare equipment available in cash shop, cash shop had big impact on server.


Background on myself:
I played RO since 2001, until 2008. Then played several other MMOs but at the end nothing feel like RO, so i coming back and Talon-RO is my choice because of the big population. I play Talon-RO with my girlfriend which I knew her in official RO and we together in every MMOs we played.

Server quality : 7/10
It's open most of the time, which is very good. But there is some lag spikes here and there, every time it occurs there is someone shouting at main chat, "LAGGGGG" so I'm sure it's not only me. But overall it's not that bad, to me it still tolerable.

Community : 7/10
Overall it's a good community with many events and helpfull players, just few bad ones, like troll and ks'er. Some map like GH Prison, KS'ing is like something normal, everyone KS and no one bother to report since reporting required lot of evidence, like a screen-shot of the mobs before your been ks'ed, to show that mobs is really yours. But then how I know someone will ks me, or should I took a screen-shot everytime I kill a mobs in case I want to report someone ks'ing me? But it's not always happening at least not to me.

Game Masters : 6/10
They are available in game quite a lot. Which is good. Some GMs are friendly, but sometime they can't made up their mind, specially on offensive words and abusing. Someone abuse my girlfriend for no good reason, what she did is helping him because he asked. Then she report to GM, but GM said that's not abusing, and the words he used is not offensive. But then the other day, someone shouting at main using exact word, and GM warn him saying that is offensive words.

Game-play : 4/6
Personally I think RO is meant to be played like how it's been made. That's why i avoid high rate server with 500/500 level. But then at low rate server there is some customization that is bad. It's effect how RO meant to be played and effect the class balance. Gargoyle and Sting card now +dex, getting 150dex is easy, most wizard insta cast, Priest Suffragium is useless now. how does that not effect gameplay and class balance?

It's Pay to Win. it's really bad. Firstly the words donation means to donate to keep the server alive because they like the server, not because they want something. so the donation shop is more like cash shop. There is no cash shop exclusive item it can't be pay to win right? NO. Why I said it's pay to win? when the cash shop had BIG impact on the game, then it is pay to win. every MVPs rare, every cards is on cash shop. that item suppose the be rare, but now everyone can get it by paying, it's not rare anymore.
the true rare is SQI they are not obtainable by cash shop. yes and no, the rare ingredient for SQI are available in cash shop. so it is pay to win. you pay get it in 1 day, you can get all the rare in 1 day, you dont pay you farm for whole year. this is what I mean by cash shop in talon RO had big impact on the overall of the server items and economy, and it's pay to win.

conclusion : the server allow people to get instant super strong by pay them money.
John and Justin both played TalonRO for 1 months, John donate heavily, while Justin just donate $10 just to help the server alive. they both go 1 vs 1 pvp, John pawned Justin instantly even they both same class, same build and same level. end of story.

[Razer]

I am not quite sure if you understand what pay to win really means. Pay to win means that if you dont donate real money you will not get anywhere in the game. Some examples are all of Nexon's games(Notably Maplestory), most of Aerias games.

TalonRO allows you to buy everything that is sold in the Cash shop for zeny. Add to that the fact that you can buy it off cheap - 23M is not very high on any server. Add to that the fact , that you can even earn the "Donation" currency Talon Coins by doing ingame things like Monster Of the week.

Now coming to your current state. How long did you play on this server ? Low rates usually means that it takes a while to get geared and leveled. It usually takes a few weeks to a few months in case of Talon RO to get geared to the teeth. Which I feel is sufficient.

Additionally, You should use @noks in prison. For other maps , its fairly easy to report. To show that the mobs are yours - usually showing that you got hit by the mob is sufficient. I have got many AOEers muted after they Ksed me. I used 2-3 screenshots tops as evidence.

Who says suffragium is useless ? There is something called as Vanilla war on this server where MVP cards and Super Quest items are disallowed. You depend on all party skills you can get.

Your explanation for pay to win doesnt change its true meaning. Yes the cash shop impacts thegame by adding a ceiling price on everything. I dislike that. However, When you play this server - The website exclusively tells you about it being a MVP card server. You should have read it.

They have intentionally made it common to keep the playing ground leveled for everyone. If you play an official server - you will know how much imbalance MVP cards add because a few rich paying or botting folks have them. When everyone can afford them, there isn't imbalance - it just comes to down to skill and organization.

Paying makes your game faster , not better. If you dont feel like paying - do what the rest of us do - Understand the economics of the game and earn. I began as a Novice with a knife[3] and a cotton shirt[0] on this server and worked my way up. I did not donate a single dollar. I am now a SQI ed player with lots of max level characters. I can beat the best in War and I dont feel that I am lesser than anyone else.

Sadly, I cant say the same for a majority of servers in which paying is a must. TalonRO does have its flaws but you haven't pointed out any of them. You are picking on it for Pay to win which it clearly isnt.

- Regular Player of tRO - Never Donated.

[jordan23]

TalonRO Definitely seemed like a server that i would play. Low rate, and by far the low rate server with the most people online at once. I joined and the biggest turnoff about the server is finding the donation shops containing MVP card Drops. I've been playing RO low rate servers for a long time and the best part of playing is knowing that you would have get really really lucky to get an MVP card drop. Pay to win is not cool. I really thought i found my server to play but i guess not. the Search continues

[Wyvern]

It is Pay to Win. Just because you can also get that item normally ingame doesn't suddenly make it not so. But keep in mind that everyone's definition for pay to win is different.  A lot of servers I've played had some pretty bad/op donation items, but you also didn't really need those to beat others or to get stronger/etc. And I haven't seen a server so far (low rate anyway) that would prevent you from advancing or going anywhere if I didn't donate. The same goes for Talon, except compared to other servers, you would need to spend a LOT of time to get certain items and gear up if you didn't donate, compared to if you did (which would also be a lot of money I think).

For me, anything becomes pay to win so long as you can get a helpful item in the cash shop that could change the gameplay or give you a big advantage compared to non-donators. A lot of servers are doing that unfortunately.

The score looks legit enough though, but perhaps higher in server quality, but let's keep in mind that reviews are based on player's experiences.

[Cressy]

Hardly a "big advantage" over non-donators. I had been here for a little over a month when I had my kahos, GECs, 2 celeb rings, and a +7 DDT mes as well as being a good ways towards my first SQI. Not once did I donate in that time, if you farm, you can get there, heck I know people who got there fairly quickly by hanging out in monster races. How is that pay to win? The problem comes when people see that you can get things by donating and just assume that it'll be faster without any real experience in it. (especially since, donating on Talon is relatively expensive, I'd rather farm for a few hours than drop that kinda money on the game...)

TalonRO Definitely seemed like a server that i would play. Low rate, and by far the low rate server with the most people online at once. I joined and the biggest turnoff about the server is finding the donation shops containing MVP card Drops. I've been playing RO low rate servers for a long time and the best part of playing is knowing that you would have get really really lucky to get an MVP card drop. Pay to win is not cool. I really thought i found my server to play but i guess not. the Search continues

Just as a quick note on this, MVP cards were added the way they were to remove the fact that a person can spend MONTHS camping an MVP, watching it constantly, keeping timers, but then they slip up one time, a champ happens across it, Asuras and gets the card. That is in no way fair. The reward guru was added so that if you spend those months farming an MVP, or a monster, hoping for a card, you might not ever get it, but the money you make in the progress will quite possibly buy it for you.

[pusanginamoy]

I would like to add that It's really pay to win at first with ridiculous MvP cards and prices at mall ( High pace game that's why). I've been there for 2yrs+(high end pvm active and WoE) and no regrets..i had a lot of friends in game globally and IRL. If you cant donate you'll be hardly to get rich in here unless you're hardcore one(read the guides in Wiki etc).

Community is great and so as the staff except with Boreas...he's not your typical GM, kinda rude at times( lot of players can attest to it).Population with lots of dual so i think the're only have 500+ unique players without dual logs and autotrade merchant.

WoE is Dead(lot of suggestions and discussions before but Boreas insisted this is PvM server)and updates are slow(i just checked in and they going to implement BG soon..why now? too late eh).

[celestine520]

I am not quite sure if you understand what pay to win really means. Pay to win means that if you dont donate real money you will not get anywhere in the game. Some examples are all of Nexon's games(Notably Maplestory), most of Aerias games.

TalonRO allows you to buy everything that is sold in the Cash shop for zeny. Add to that the fact that you can buy it off cheap - 23M is not very high on any server. Add to that the fact , that you can even earn the "Donation" currency Talon Coins by doing ingame things like Monster Of the week.

Now coming to your current state. How long did you play on this server ? Low rates usually means that it takes a while to get geared and leveled. It usually takes a few weeks to a few months in case of Talon RO to get geared to the teeth. Which I feel is sufficient.

I almost had to bold everything in your text, but thats too much, lets start with i bold above.
23m as what? Baphomet Card? you think you can farm it yourself? with 3X drop rate?
this is low rate server indeed, where people get to play for a long term. but whats the point? if that 3x drop rate had no meaning because of cash shop? you farm baphomet card you think for how long till you get 1?, and I "donate" to get it, how long for me to get it?

monster of the week? voting? yeah right. you killed 30~100 to get 1 cooper coin, and you need 50~60 c.coin to get 1 Talon Coin, and you need 20 T.coin to get MVP cards, meaning you need to kill more or less 3000 monster to get 1 T.coin, and 60k monster to get 20 Talon coin in exchange for MVP cards, and yes i want everything MVP card, 7 piece of equipments, thats about 420k monster, how about that? thats just cards, how about equipments? like Celebration Ring and only available on "donation shop" cost 35 T.coin maybe about 1mil monster to kill to get everything?
ohh its low rate, sound about right... then how about the "donation" they get it with just a few clicks.

This is what i meant by pay to win, if you dont know what it is. when you had to farm your donkey off, while the other can easily get it.
A good donation shop should be minimal, just for some costume, some slightly exp booster, where it can't never make your character super strong with just a few clicks.
A balanced cash shop should let all player appear to be equal in term of equipment, where everyone had to farm their donkey off to get it. the donated player only appear to look prettier thats all.
oh, they want to make a "fast pace" gaming by putting MVP card in shop?, what i see they just want people to "donate" to get the MVP cards and became super strong.

and SQIs, i already told in prev post, nonsense because SQIs not available in donation shop right? then I want you to calculate yourself how long you farm, how long you vote, how much your effect to get SQIs, between non-donor vs donor. **hints : donor can get all the ingredients with few click with lots of money.
now calculate the proximity time for you non-donor to get it.

[Kimchiii]

Just saying, its 7 years old server. Even if you donate 10k $ probably there are players that still richer than you lol
non donor here and dont care about donaters as long as there are no items that exclusive for donaters ^^

but hey, its okay. Its your experience and opinion there

i do think area loot is a brilliant idea. Totally new and helpful for my fragile fingers XD

[Boreas]

I would like to point out that all this can be found on our website before joining the server. If you don't like MVP cards in the donation shop then I don't understand why you downloaded the client and registered an account. Surely you were too lazy to inform yourself. The way TalonRO runs is the way it runs, if you don't like it then join another server, there are plenty.

[applecidervinegar]

Skill nerfs, item nerfs and so many other nerfs have caused this server to be extremely boring and predictable. Most of their old players are either banned or have quit.

GMs probably do not give a s*** as long as donations keep rolling in.

[DeePee]

Coming from a person whose sole purpose of posting on RMS is to flame one server. Keep it up 

Anyway, thousands of players enjoy their time on TalonRO, so it's really a matter of taste. I advise everyone to check out our website first before registering. All information can be found there. It's a bit silly to join a server and then complain later about features that were mentioned on the website anyway. If you don't like that sorta stuff, do not join

[applecidervinegar]

Coming from a person whose sole purpose of posting on RMS is to flame one server. Keep it up 

Anyway, thousands of players enjoy their time on TalonRO, so it's really a matter of taste. I advise everyone to check out our website first before registering. All information can be found there. It's a bit silly to join a server and then complain later about features that were mentioned on the website anyway. If you don't like that sorta stuff, do not join

500 vendors, 500 more of alt clients(low estimate). Hows the woe scene of late? Still giving eluniums as castle drop? One guild holding the castle for 8 months? And yes, to all potential new players, pls pls do yourself a favour and read all their nerfs/adjustments and just cancel your download. Keep up with the nerfs/adjustments though, it seems to increase the number of people woeing and old players not quitting.

[DeePee]

Coming from a person whose sole purpose of posting on RMS is to flame one server. Keep it up 

I rest my case. Nice to see you have nothing better to do.

[in Training]

I have been on this server for a little more than a year, i did have to take a few month break because of a hospitalization, so really i'v been actually playing for about a year.

So far I have a DDQ nibel (+10 str, 40 hit, 13% aspd, 10% bb dmg upgrades) Bapho/Phreeoni Invoker of death, +10 staff of recovery
2 megs, 2 celeb rings
2 sleip (LT and GEC)
+7 deviant dragons breath, +4 deviant naght seigers, +4 LoD Diablos manteau, +4 LoD skin of ventoss
+1str BK middle, +1str gryphon mid, +1agi SK mid, +1int Pharoah mid, +1int missy mid
Kaho, PCB
+7 SB of royal guard, +7 SB of resistance, +7 SB Medusa, +4 SB GTB
+4 garm volanic armor+3dex gem, +4 gloom volcanic armor+3dex gem, +7 unfrozen odins blessing

And of course a bunch of other lower quality items. That don't need to be listed. Anyway the point to all that, is that i obtained all of these without donating a single penny. I'v never donated, not 1 penny (err sorry boreas  )
Now if you total up all of what i just listed, it should be around 1,500,000,000 zeny in gears. Which would be like 1,300$+ in talon coins.

Lets be real here. The number of people donating that much will be very few, if any. Also donating isn't a bad thing, it helps the server.

I'd also like to point out the fact that you can easily earn copper coins from playing the monster races. Play the monster race on 1 account, and farm on another.
Yes it takes time and effort to achieve things, that is the way it works. You seem to be under the impression that everyone who is walking around with MVP cards is a donator, thats so far from the truth its laughable. Yes, many people have them, because the are easily obtainable even without donating.

I'm guessing you don't even know where the basic farming spots are on this server. You can find out real easily just by asking in main chat. People are quite helpful on this server when it comes to stuff like that. In fact, if you spent a little time on main inquiring about where to farm/level and asked for any other tips, players will usually help you out, and you would be underway in earning yourself some of that awesome gear.

On a side note, not everything is buy-able via the rewards guru. SQI's cannot be bought, nor can you buy all the ingredients from the rewards guru. You must also unlock all of the seals in order to gain access to valhalla and upgrade the SQI. All of this you can learn simply by putting in the time and effort to learn about the server. Although seeing as you didn't even read the server description in the first place, i guess its not surprising that you didn't inquire about anything else.

However, now that you know all these things you should consider giving Talon another try, if you're truly looking for a good server, its right under your nose.

[Wyvern]

But the point is, you could donate to get most of the useful gears in the server. Of course you can also get everything w/o donating with time and effort. And although you can't buy SQI gears or their mats, you could donate for other stuff, sell those and buy the stuff for SQI after with the Zeny obtained, or trade gears for it. Of course, doing that is a common thing in RO server. But just saying it's possible.

And it's not a bad server. They do things their own way, and a lot of people are liking it (you could say it's an unique experience).

[celestine520]

But the point is, you could donate to get most of the useful gears in the server. Of course you can also get everything w/o donating with time and effort. And although you can't buy SQI gears or their mats, you could donate for other stuff, sell those and buy the stuff for SQI after with the Zeny obtained, or trade gears for it. Of course, doing that is a common thing in RO server. But just saying it's possible.

And it's not a bad server. They do things their own way, and a lot of people are liking it (you could say it's an unique experience).

sorry, are you TalonRo player? if so check again.. all hard to obtain mats like cards and EQs can be bought from so called "donate" shop, the only thing you need to find is easy obtain mats like regular drops from monster and some regular EQs.
Here i give you an example:
Brisingamen [1]
4 x Ring[1]. -
4 x Earring[1].
4 x Brooch[1].
4 x Glove[1].
4 x Rosary[1].
4 x Necklace[1].

every item above can be obtain for $10 each, total of $240 to be donated to get the powerful almighty Brisingamen [1] just in sec
you want to farm? sure, all with 0.03% drop you can farm it all you want while someone rich can get it in 1 minutes.
still easy, since most dropped by regular monster, just farm soon or later u will get it.
then how about
Artemis Bow? the most powerful bow in the server, here the ingredients, most of it are MVP drop, farm? you think its easy? while still compete for the MVP with all full geared player.
1 x Rudra Bow[0].
1 x Ballista[0].
1 x Bow Thimble[0].
1 x Breeze Card
1 x Morrigane's Belt[0].
1 x Safety Ring[0].
1 x Arrow of Counter Evil
50 x Red Bijou
50 x Blue Bijou
50 x Yellow Bijou
50 x Green Bijou
1 Essence of Hunter
check how many of the hard to obtain ingredient can be bought from "donate" shop?

what a joke when people said SQI is most powerful equipment and it can be bought by donating

and funny how bought, shop, and donate can go in the same sentences, if real world like this, it would be like "hey donate me a million and this Ferrari is yours"

[celestine520]

I have been on this server for a little more than a year, i did have to take a few month break because of a hospitalization, so really i'v been actually playing for about a year.

So far I have a DDQ nibel (+10 str, 40 hit, 13% aspd, 10% bb dmg upgrades) Bapho/Phreeoni Invoker of death, +10 staff of recovery
2 megs, 2 celeb rings
2 sleip (LT and GEC)
+7 deviant dragons breath, +4 deviant naght seigers, +4 LoD Diablos manteau, +4 LoD skin of ventoss
+1str BK middle, +1str gryphon mid, +1agi SK mid, +1int Pharoah mid, +1int missy mid
Kaho, PCB
+7 SB of royal guard, +7 SB of resistance, +7 SB Medusa, +4 SB GTB
+4 garm volanic armor+3dex gem, +4 gloom volcanic armor+3dex gem, +7 unfrozen odins blessing

And of course a bunch of other lower quality items. That don't need to be listed. Anyway the point to all that, is that i obtained all of these without donating a single penny. I'v never donated, not 1 penny (err sorry boreas  )
Now if you total up all of what i just listed, it should be around 1,500,000,000 zeny in gears. Which would be like 1,300$+ in talon coins.

Lets be real here. The number of people donating that much will be very few, if any. Also donating isn't a bad thing, it helps the server.

thats the point of it, you played for a year, not spending a single penny, and your equipments still sucks, not even 1 is SQI, and even with your so-so equipment its same value as $1300 if u want to get it by donating.
and you said nobody really donating so much? really? u think so? are u sure? if not in 1 transaction, maybe multiple transaction over a few months?
yeah donating is not bad, but whats "donating" means? whats the different between buy to get stuff? why still use the word "donate" ? and this server make people the urges to pay really high because of the god-like item in the cash shop.

[celestine520]

Coming from a person whose sole purpose of posting on RMS is to flame one server. Keep it up 

Anyway, thousands of players enjoy their time on TalonRO, so it's really a matter of taste. I advise everyone to check out our website first before registering. All information can be found there. It's a bit silly to join a server and then complain later about features that were mentioned on the website anyway. If you don't like that sorta stuff, do not join

I rest my case. Nice to see you have nothing better to do.

did you just quoting yourself?

so u the gm huh?
before you saying im the same person as other because giving bad review, now saying i had nothing better to do because i giving bad review.
bad review mean flame? hatred? like i no give positive point at all? is it non-constructive critics? like "this server sux" without any reason? or you cant take any critics at all? everyone must showering you with flowers and diamonds and money.
i stand my point, everything in cash-shop = pay to win
even you said its a donate shop, not cash shop because no exclusive items. still i said it is pay to win. because with all powerful item in that shop people tend to pay you money to get instant strong.
the server allow people to get instant super strong by pay them money, its pay to win.

[DeePee]

Before triple posting and accusing people of saying things to you, please take your time to read who my reply was to, which is: not you.

Anyway, as said before, everything here is mentioned on our website. If you don't like that sort of thing, kindly read the website first before downloading the server. Cheers.

[Remmi]

Overall, it's an okay review (I'd probably rate a little higher in some of the aspects you've mentioned) but one of your statements is misleading and others have been mentioned in the server's website. So for me, it is acceptable and that's just how you take it and perhaps TalonRO is just not your cup of tea.

Just to re-iterate what others have also said.

Before triple posting and accusing people of saying things to you, please take your time to read who my reply was to, which is: not you.

Anyway, as said before, everything here is mentioned on our website. If you don't like that sort of thing, do not download the server. Cheers.

This. Regarding your dislike about card customization and how easy it is to reach instacast in the server? It's all in the site.
In any case, your review will help players, who don't read important features in the site, know what the server is like. Thanks, I guess?

i stand my point, everything in cash-shop = pay to win
even you said its a donate shop, not cash shop because no exclusive items. still i said it is pay to win. because with all powerful item in that shop people tend to pay you money to get instant strong.
the server allow people to get instant super strong by pay them money, its pay to win.

Are you trying to redefine what Pay2Win means? Please don't. This is the one I am referring to that is misleading.  It ticks me off because you don't seem to understand what a REAL P2W server looks like and you insisting TalonRO is, is laughable. No offense.

If you really want to word it to something else, it would be Pay-to-Get-Ahead-But-Eventually-People-Will-Get-Better-At-You. Or short, P2GABEPWGBAY.
Hint: keyword - eventually.

But also take note...

Just saying, its 7 years old server. Even if you donate 10k $ probably there are players that still richer than you lol
non donor here and dont care about donaters as long as there are no items that exclusive for donaters ^^

Sadly they did have that Woodie Pet and Headgear from 2012 for a charity event (account-bound). I know it was for a good cause but damn... I really wanted that pet and headgear. :/ As far as I know, they have no more plans to do that again.

thats the point of it, you played for a year, not spending a single penny, and your equipments still sucks, not even 1 is SQI, and even with your so-so equipment its same value as $1300 if u want to get it by donating.

I have difficulty understanding your sentence here but I am just going to go ahead and assume you're saying he has no SQI but he actually has five.

Nibelungen
2x Megingjard
2x Sleipnirs

Just wanted to point that out. OT: Kudos on getting all that in a year, in Training! I personally would not have donated that much money just to get those items though. Where's the fun in paying for that? Plus, a real huge waste of money, imho.  #poorverypoor

Hmm... if anything, I'd say if your purpose in playing TalonRO is to be one of the best hardcore players out there, you don't necessarily need to donate. It only helps you get there faster. Well, if you're a hardcore gamer farming is probably a piece of cake for you here. I cringe at the memory of grinding/farming in the official RO  . If you're one of those casual players, well, yeah this server could also be for you. It's not really that difficult to earn stuff here. Plenty of things to do to get what you want without donating (you just have to figure out what those are) and despite being a low-rate server, I have seen players being more than good enough to compete with players who do donate, equip-wise in a timely manner. That was how it was for me.

Almost two years in TalonRO and non-"Donator" as well but kicking donkey either way.

PS - arealoot was definitely one of the better recent changes they have made in the server... and still waiting for the last Folkvang wave. 

[Lilithh]

Why does every time someone says one thing negative in their review for TalonRO the GMs/players come and bully the person who creates the thread?
I have been going through the Talonro reviews, I was thinking on joining but honestly if this is how they treat people who express themselves politely I see no need to join.
It seems very immature and that they have a chip on their shoulders or something.

Why not focus on RO and improving rather than going on here everytime someone says something you do not like? Big companies are not suppose to run that way, it is very unprofessional.

I wish you best Celestine, ignore these guys and move on because looking at the threads of Talon I have read they will keep going on and on.

Good day.

[DeePee]

They are far from being bullied. However, GMs and players from a server have the right to defend their server against false claims and other statements. Pretty much all the "negative" points that were mentioned can be found on our website and it has been stated over and over that this is the case. Whether one finds these points negative or not is personal. We will not change these points as they are what make the server the way it is. We do not at all see them as negative points that need improvement.

Also, lots of reviews are made by people who have been banned for breaking the rules and are angry. Something to keep in mind.

[Razer]

23m as what? Baphomet Card? you think you can farm it yourself? with 3X drop rate?

Bapho is 12 Coins for 13ish M. If it was farm only , it would have cost in Billions. 13M is chump change no offense. If you feel this is a hard amount ,sorry you are too lazy. Please enjoy your SHRs.
Not every item has to be farmed. You can either farm the card or buy it from someone. Buying requires zeny. 13M opposed to a few billions is quite generous.

Yes this does ruin the joy of hunting weaker MVPs since they don't have any more rares to offer but then that isnt your argument is it?

this is low rate server indeed, where people get to play for a long term. but whats the point? if that 3x drop rate had no meaning because of cash shop? you farm baphomet card you think for how long till you get 1?, and I "donate" to get it, how long for me to get it?

It would take time but and the only thing donation does is make you powerful early. It doesnt take you over the top. Whether one follows the long or the short path - the destination is the same. I am a casual player who made zeny by buying and reselling - a method that seems to work on all servers.
I am a strong player in war and so far I haven't run into into any player or monster I cannot handle. If I feel I cant kill a super strong MVP alone I use that wonderful thing called as party.

monster of the week? voting? yeah right. you killed 30~100 to get 1 cooper coin, and you need

How long have you played this server ? CC drop rates are 5% so thats 1 in 20 monster tops.
New People I know get 20-30 cc per hour . Because they tried.

ohh its low rate, sound about right... then how about the "donation" they get it with just a few clicks.

When I started the server, many donation people were stronger than me. So ? A few weeks later I am stronger than them. You are probably looking for the ghost of your previous server. If your new server isnt like "what you want it to be" its automatically bad.

Regardless of how you define p2win. You seem to not know what it is. Pay2win is that without donating you can absolutely never excel at the game. Ever played Maplestory ? Please do then you will know what pay2win is. The best items are not even sold in game currency - People want USD for it because they used USD to make those.

Here paying only puts you ahead - doesnt make you win. I am sorry, even though I am not a big fan of donation - Running server has big costs especially if its popular. John's 10 USD isnt enough if the upkeep runs into hundreds or thousands. A little profit is always nice, it keeps the staff motivated to develop the server and prevent it from becoming a default eA  SHR setup like 9000 other servers.

This is what i meant by pay to win, if you dont know what it is. when you had to farm your donkey off, while the other can easily get it.
A good donation shop should be minimal, just for some costume, some slightly exp booster, where it can't never make your character super strong with just a few clicks.

As I mentioned before you are looking for what you personally believe a s a good shop. Slight EXP booster. tRO doesnt have this. I think that is pay2win too but if you say it then its fair game but if tRO says it then its pay2win. You cannot make your character super strong in a few click unless you shell out thousands of dollars. I am sorry I dont think many people do that. This a RO pserver we are talking about not WoW.

and SQIs, i already told in prev post, nonsense because SQIs not available in donation shop right? then I want you to calculate yourself how long you farm, how long you vote, how much your effect to get SQIs, between non-donor vs donor. **hints : donor can get all the ingredients with few click with lots of money.
now calculate the proximity time for you non-donor to get it.

Money makes more money. I started making 5-10M every day without playing a single minute(ok not entirely true it takes me 30 minutes to get my goods up) once I had a principal amount of 100M from doing a little bit of intelligent gameplay. You can either play smart or whine about it. My assumption from your half baked facts is that you haven't played this server for more than a week. The donation shop gives you a large principal amount fast - it doesnt give you skills and experience. Those have to be earned.

There is a lot of things you could have used to criticize the server.  Had you used to new vend system, the over fragmented War, Lackluster forging system,Tweaking of default systems to make them harder as arguments - I would have supported your post. But you picked a non factor which was wrong.

I am not a HR and SHR person . In LRs I have yet to find a better LR server.

[Suspension]

GMs and players from a server have the right to defend their server against false claims and other statements. Pretty much all the "negative" points that were mentioned can be found on our website and it has been stated over and over that this is the case.

So you're defending against false claims that are already mentioned on your server? Then how are those false claims?

And I agree with the OP, I was about to join TalonRO due to its high population, but it's just a high rate server dressed as a low rate.

[Sachimi]

sorry, are you TalonRo player? if so check again.. all hard to obtain mats like cards and EQs can be bought from so called "donate" shop, the only thing you need to find is easy obtain mats like regular drops from monster and some regular EQs.
Here i give you an example:
Brisingamen [1]
4 x Ring[1]. -
4 x Earring[1].
4 x Brooch[1].
4 x Glove[1].
4 x Rosary[1].
4 x Necklace[1].

every item above can be obtain for $10 each, total of $240 to be donated to get the powerful almighty Brisingamen [1] just in sec
you want to farm? sure, all with 0.03% drop you can farm it all you want while someone rich can get it in 1 minutes.
still easy, since most dropped by regular monster, just farm soon or later u will get it.
then how about
Artemis Bow? the most powerful bow in the server, here the ingredients, most of it are MVP drop, farm? you think its easy? while still compete for the MVP with all full geared player.
1 x Rudra Bow[0].
1 x Ballista[0].
1 x Bow Thimble[0].
1 x Breeze Card
1 x Morrigane's Belt[0].
1 x Safety Ring[0].
1 x Arrow of Counter Evil
50 x Red Bijou
50 x Blue Bijou
50 x Yellow Bijou
50 x Green Bijou
1 Essence of Hunter
check how many of the hard to obtain ingredient can be bought from "donate" shop?

what a joke when people said SQI is most powerful equipment and it can be bought by donating

and funny how bought, shop, and donate can go in the same sentences, if real world like this, it would be like "hey donate me a million and this Ferrari is yours"

Just thought I'd point this out. You can buy the items to make an SQI, sure. You're leaving out the 100m in zeny for each of the weapons and 120m in zeny for the Brisingamen, on top of the items. You're also leaving out the 4 Seals that have to be done just to get there, which take a party to do. You either have to pay ( 20~40m zeny each Seal? ) or go with friends. It's expensive to do the second because you'll need good equips and consumables ( depending on your class ).

Your comparison is flawed btw, you still need to pay for fuel for the Ferrari, and the insurance ( both are expensive ). Oh, and a Ferrari is only a few hundred G's, not a million.

[Triper]

Racial insults are a big no, specially something like the one that was posted here and later removed.

They've all the information there, anyone can check their website and wiki. If you don't like the server for any X reason, don't join it *dot*

Topic closed.