Power Abuse in fgRO forums

[Deux]

Here's my story...
I have been playing fgRO (frozengladeRO) for just 4-5 days. I joined the server forums. the forums is hell. flames everywhere & to make matters worse, the GMs are abusing their forum powers on members without any reason. they are also biased which means they show favoritism. My forum account there has been suspended for 1 week. which made me come here and make this post. to name some foul GMs i should say...GM Infinitum & GM Jenust.

There is a thread named "Comment about EDP" in the general section wherein people were writing their own opinions about EDP. i wrote mine. suddenly a person named "Kohaku" turns up & starts cussing me/flaming me on things that i am too naive, i fail at RO, i don't know how to play & also cussing the server as well. i don't fite back to an extent as her thus allowing me to say that i didn't flame. then this GM jenust comes up & claims that EDP SB is not a problem at all for his priest. i say that he is too overconfident about his view. he starts making very idiotic comments at me & claims im a noob since i only say things without observation of him playing in pvp in actualy combat. you should definitely have a look at that thread to actually understand why i later called him (GM Jenust) a noob for the way he thinks & talks. he even made a comment that "yupz, i am god" & "i earned respect from pinoys" etc etc....

just by seeing the word "noob" in my post, GM Infinitum suspended my account for 1 week and also called me stupid for doing what i felt was correct actually in the first place. since being a GM doesn't mean you can say & talk anything you like without being talked back to reality, or am i wrong??

Another issue in this server forums....
there is a guy named zeus/archimedes in it who is also a very supreme kind of trashtalker/flamer here but as far as i could notice he was only that way to the GMs. rest all the members were quite friendly to him. the GMs said he makes numerous forum accounts since he gets banned everyday for flaming & trashtalking. but if you actually have a look in that forums, the person "Kohaku" is equally bad yet she never gets a ban. this is where favoritism comes in. more importantly this GM Infinitum has been constantly deleting "archimedes" posts everyday even if it doesn't contain any kind of flame/trashtalk at all. other members of the forums have objected to it yet the GM doesn't stop. this is where the abuse of forum powers comes in.

Moral of the post: this server forums is hell & i have stated so in my reviews on this server as well. since i didn't have space to write everything there, i came here.
please investigate this server, more importantly their GMs.

[lord666]

err. im browsing on this forum then im shocked coz of this thread. Yes. I played fgRO and I am a member of the forum. I know GM Jenust and Zeus and also GM infinitum.

First of all,

I'll say something about Zeus.

He is a spammer.  He always flame GMs, He dont know what is he talking about. I dont believe on his arguements.

okay, here's the thread for you people to know wht happened. i've read this 3-4x and i can see Gms didnt abuse powers.

some post are deleted. i've read it so i know what it is but i cant type it coz i cant remember it.

Mr. Deux, observe first and gve respect to them before complaining.

Zeus post are deleted. i cant see it. maybe bcoz its really a flame.

Gm Jenust : Sb Sinx with EDP = Not really a problem

Sb Sinx with EDP + Link + Full Buffs + Good Weapon = RUN!!!   

Archimedes/Zeus : i lol at ur post. go fight a sinx with a normal priest char. you will know what ur talking about. Sb sinx with edp is a problem. Your making urself look like a noob.

Gm jenust: yup.. it's not a problem. im using priest anyway Mr. Zeus and no one can kill me for just one hit.

SB sinx with edp = after 1 sb, i would say my life would turn to red. SW. heal. etc.

I know u have a priest too zeus, and if sb sinx with edp is a problem for ur priest.

then....... *im not going to say anything*

Deux: it's only been what, 2 days since i came here? i already saw what kind of damage the edp kind do here. i take it that every sinx has incantation here. and you mentioned nobody can kill your priest?
i doubt your priest has 40k life bar. i hardly see vit Lord Knight's & Palladin's survive 1 hit, you're just a priest.

anyway's it's what i think because it's what i have seen.

for a GM, you are too overconfident. your priest can not survive even 1 single edp hit.

GM Jenust : yup im a God >>> i find this post that he is just being sarcastic

Deux : i guess this makes you exactly what that archimedes guy say's you are. a n**b

please, spare me your theatrics.
i know people like you. talk alot, do nothing.
every server has one. i guess you're fgRO's noob.

Gm infinitum: I guess you're another idiot that decided to start flaming a GM. Forum account banned for a week

Celice : This post is gonna be long. I advise you read it before posting anymore nonsense please.

Don't worry about it Jenust, i'll support ur arguement that ur priest can endure 1 hit SB. I will do it for you. Many people don't understand it here, but a good HP is one of the strongest classes, and requires alot of thought and experience to play, the advantage once mastered, is a superior class, rivalling or exceeding even a paladin, yes, they both can kill each other or can't if they are used well. Jenust has my respects, he is someone I would want to duel with one day and some one I would love to have in my guild.

By reading each posts from various members, I can tell who's good, and who has a lot to learn.

The members I respect are the members who whine less, act more mature, show some real knowledge, people like Liaght, Jenust, Ikamuni, W I N D S, Kohaku, Zigen come to mind. Yes, confident without being a ignorant little prat.

As Jenust said, this is a server with high drop rates, and boss cards. An EDP/SB sinX with a +4 jamadhar is S H I T!!! They can't deal damage and defense mocks them. Jenust himself admitted that with full buffs, good eqs, cough, thana,incan, cough Mezingord, then the story is different. Didn't he say "Run!!"?

Now look on the bright side, the players I mentioned also said it is 10x easier to handle a "good" edp sonic blow SinX in this server". It's only if you are a High Wiz/Prof facing a maya, GTB, mdef, elemental armour user that you have no hope. I mean, seriously, you can't damage the opponent, what are you gonna do? Magic crasher with Whitesmith cards in a desperate attempt to break their weapons/armour? If only you could break shields. Lol.

The tactic in a high rate server with a high priest is this. Good priest attempt many different tactics and potentially will even kill the SinX, not just survive, but kill the sinX.

The key here is battle mode, since you need to swap gear like no tommorrow. P.S if you have a hide clip and SinX card, you can play defenive and never die.

Main strategy: Run and frustrat/ Ultimate defense (Most effective strategies are a variation of this one)

Assuming you are as well geared as the SinX(assuming sinX doesn't use status effects, but they are going to nerf status effect cards in future updates anyway, so meh) , you have Tao Gunka, soul link, yes, the sinx has it too. You got mezingord, blast clip, or envenom clip, mistress, moonlight, kiel card, and maya purple. Agi up yourself, bless youself, with the mezingard, you have around 40str. with bless you should have 50+ total str, and you should include your build to have str till it is divisible by 10, food might make it unneccessary for str even. I suggest, you keep a bloody, bone, incantation, turtle general, thanatos in you're +10 mace, and another rod with 4 bacsojins, or just a staff of recovery for your weapons. Status inflict weapons are also good.

P.S. If they do try to freeze/stone (highly unlikely if u use Holy light, cause they need pest/dark frame) you like a fag, it's good to remember that your mdef should be really high, and your luck should be a fair amount too. Thankfully, you have tonnes of resistance, thanks to status effects, "GLORIA"!!!!!! Acolytes, and Swordman classes are probably the only class to be able to do this easily in a 99/70 server.

The formula works this way, mdef+luck/3=97 resist from both status effects, and you will always get 3 resistance, so it should add up to 97 to stop all status effects occuring.

Back to the strategy, ruwach, agi urself and with your moonies, you can run faster than edpers because they cloak, and cloak reduces speed, duh.... They have to get up to you, but you don't. Run around magnum breaking them. The kiel and maya purple will prove useful for this. Safety wall if you need to or are pressured to much, they will obviously try to grim you, but swap on a pest/garm card, , holy light them or whatever you want when they do get stoned, otherwise, detect them and Decrease agi when ever you get the chance. You could alsoo envenom them or magnum break to push them away from you some more. Remember, that need to target you, but you don't. You have advantages which they don't. You can heal, you have SP, they don't; You can run until their edp runs out. They don't have much SP and the constant edping and running will make them run out of it before you know it.

Conclusion, only a matter of time before they die. This strategy is invincible to almost all edp sonic blow sins, and I have seen one particular person use it. Of course, this person has "never" been beaten. Hence the term, invincible priest. Once you get your head around it, you can't be beat in duels. I can only tell you so much. You have to do it yourself to understand how it works.

Method 2: Status Effects (simple yet effective)

Since I'm lazy, all I have to say is this one requires the usual running around. Don't be lazy when fighting a SinX, move!!! Use pest(better) etc.. Use kiels as well.
Try to silence the enemyif you have a chance to assess their build. If silence lasta short time, or doesn't work, 70%of the time means high vit. Then again, they could just be annoying and use Marduk/green pot. Oh yeah, don't forget Ruwach/Dec agi, also good indicators of what hey are using. When ever they freeze, Holy light them, holy light them as much as you can. If they don't Stone, oh yeah, Resurrect them. The end. Simple.

Another good card, particularly the high agi type is the ones that induce poison or bleeding (Go figure out the combo for bleeding). It works, they bleed to death and you can laugh at their face as they panic.


Method 3: Dark priest/Whitesmith

There's this card called a Dark priest and it owns, alright? It gives them zero SP very, very fast, and since they don't have much SP recovery/SP compared to you, they die faster. Of course, they could use it, and pawn you too.  Shouldn't abuse this card though. Whitesmith/Darkpriest card can be used in all tactics, breaking a SinX katar = no sonic blow, no grimtooth = useless.

Rods/Maces don't break but katars and daggers break very, very easily. SBK has a huge delay, so yeah, owned. 4 WS cards = 40% weapon break chance.

I'm not a priest, but I know many friends who are good HP. I thank all of them for being not narrow minded and showing me the potential in RO.

Yes, I learnt these tactics from some of the best priests I've ever met. One of them could survive 11 people attacking him at once in WoE. No joke, that person was Aded, Sonic blowed, Cart termed etc, and without pots, he could survive a crazy long time. It is only when got soul burned that defeat came pretty badly. But it still took some time to kill. And yes, he was never beaten in duel. No one, no class, can take that away from him. Like some of the others, hence why a good priest can also be one of the best characters.

I hope this guide will stop all the people complaining. Yes, EDP is cheap, yes it's hard to handle, but only because you don't try to, hence so many SinXs around. A pity for HW though. =( I really don't know how to make this class strong, never met one committed enough to beat multiple classes.

[Deux]

ty for actually posting that proof since i wasn't able to myself.
about the part where you mention zeus, you are correct. about that part you mentioned GMs deleting his posts again you are correct. but about the part where you say his posts were deleted because it had flames...i can tell members like kakashi, nexus, raymond, aurica, zero2exe, bonburner, radox and several others to actually come here n prove that not all posts were flames. think before you talk.

and it's funny you didn't mention a single thing about "Kohaku" that i also mentioned in my complain.
and the GMs being sarcastic? give me a break, maybe you should learn the literal meaning of sarcasm first.

all in all fgRO ingame is good, but forum community is 1 big hell of a mess. i'd say join the game but never join the forums. it sucks.

P.S:

Archimedes/Zeus : i lol at ur post. go fight a sinx with a normal priest char. you will know what ur talking about. Sb sinx with edp is a problem. Your making urself look like a noob.

this is yet another example where GM Infinitum has abused his power.
in the actual thread it's something like this...."i lol at ur post. go fight nexus's sinx........." & so on.

[Nexus]

The heck, this is Nexus from fgRO. Freaking place sucks now -.-

Yeah, Zeus always flames GMs and s*** but always with reason and stuff.

Well first of all it's s*** to ban me and Zeus, when everything started with this character Kohaku anyway. Since some don't really know about it, the flames all started when Kohaku rejoined the server. This guy/gal whatever was the root of all the flames anyway, if you disagree do check scythenetwork but it's already gone so it's a waste. Zeus got banned for being a critic, but what is Kohaku? Geez, are they too blind to see? It's Kohaku who's always flaming and GM Jenust posts on and says Kohaku never flames. For that, I can call it a retarded post. We've been there for months and we know our way around. Any angle you look deletion of post is an abuse, that which Zeus is currently suffering.

I'd like to point out as well that there truly is a power-abuse ingame as well. They say it's rumors, but everyone knows the truth. King Emiya and Radox made it public, about Klorena's +4 Infiltrator[1] which was banned from the server but apparently Fen allowed donation for it. Which is so BS, Fen the main GM allows one player to have a slotted infil and then banning others from acquiring one thru slot enchanter or thru donation? Then going on for an excuse that he forgot she has one, how pathetic can one get?

Then we have the GMs, one GM who's a proven and caught botter and another.. *ehem* the guildmaster of an established guild? I've got nothing more to say except I'm disappointed.

[GoddessMartel]

ok i also play fgro and i must say its lame very lame. first off deux and nexus are correct about the kohaku person she says whateva she feels like saying and doesnt get in trouble for it she was even moderator for a while. i guess since she is in the gm's guild called incarnations she has immunity to getting banned or warned. now another thing why is it that there are gm's taking part in woe? they have there own guild called incarnations its full of gm's in my opinion gm's should not be allowed to woe. gm's have all kinds of gm @commands and access to godly weapons they claim they dont use them but it has been proven once that they do and it also has been proven that they give items to members in there guild. now getting on to gm jenust he started the whole war between him and zeus. zeus made a post about the gm part of the gm's names he even said no offense to u jenust and this isnt directed at u jenust but because jenust is now a gm he follows all the other ring leaders fen and infinitum and starts a war with zeus. look bottom line that server is lame the gm's run it very unfairly if u say something they dont like u get banned if u voice ur opinion and they dont like it u get banned if they dont like u period u get banned  basically u would be better off playing another server or another game.

[Deux]

QUOTE(Archimedes @ Sep 18 2007, 04:00 AM) *
no not exactly. it depends who does soul burn first or who has more mdef, or who got godly dex or who got more HP or who got their bolts first hit.

but thn again, if u really wanna see good proff duelling, u shud hv been here in the old times.

proffs like CAS, Cue Master, Sypher, Spectacle are still the best. personally, i love spectacle. the most devastating offensive proff of the server.

thng is....they all quit


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that post was made by archimedes/zeus guy, but you will not find it in the forums since it was deleted. read it and tell me where does it contain any flames for the GM to delete it?

QUOTE(Archimedes @ Sep 19 2007, 01:49 AM) *
i thot combat knife / poopoo reduces physical damage. does it reduce magical as well?? blink.gif

QUOTE(hiko @ Today, 08:21 AM) *
Poopoo does reduce matk cz a high wiz is a demi human but if compared with mdef on head it reducess less and combat knife is pretty well in reducing matk with mdef on wiz thts wat i use on my wiz combat knife LOL 65 mdef + combat knife

read this one too. no flames, yet deleted.

the following quote is a post made by me regarding this "Kohaku"

QUOTE(GM Jenust @ Sep 17 2007, 03:34 AM) *
I dont care bout Kohaku coz she never flame me and i cant see any inappropriate words against Gm from kohaku.

perhaps you should pay more attention to this GM Jenust. this was recent while i had recently commented about EDP.

QUOTE(Kohaku) *
A real server like jRO, ect makes this server look like horse cock in tiny donkey. No kidding.


QUOTE(Kohaku) *
Sorry, but I don't need to talk to you to judge you. I can easily search posts or read things, you know? I'll reply again later, but your suggestion was truly, indeed, s***.


QUOTE(Kohaku) *
Don't whine because you suck too much to get passed certain items/cards/ect.


since i'm new i could only find these as examples for you GM Jenust. but the one's who aren't new can perhaps put some more light on this matter. she even flames me, but thanks to me and my better upbringing i choose to not say anything back otherwise there'd be no difference between her & me.
i don't need to get included in this GM vs Member flame war all i did was point some facts.
thanks, passing by. i seldom open the forums anyways.

you can see the kind of posts she makes. she even flamed me the very first day i joined forums. yet she never recieves a warn or a suspension.
and then look at my post. a single word "n**b" which wasn't even written completely as "noob" and i don't get a warn but a 1 week suspension? talk about being biased & abusing powers?

[scryed]

Suspending or banning a account depends on who a GM feels about that person. ANY GM can suspend accounts. Even though GM Jenust is being flamed by Kohaku, maybe he doesn't see it as a flame?

if u voice ur opinion and they dont like it u get banned if they dont like u period u get banned  basically u would be better off playing another server or another game.

Are you serious? Voice your opinion? or do you mean flame the GMs and the server any chance they get? Every person in this thread has been banned for flaming and not obeying forum rules besides Deux. We don't ban for no reason at all. GM Jenust was wrong in calling you a noob, but that does not mean he is abusive does it? You were suspended for 10 days for flaming the GMs and it wasn't even Jenust. By the way, Nexus was banned for abusing his powers ingame when he was a GM so he's holding a grudge against the server. Many of these problems have been addressed on the forums yet he still brings it up.

[Estranghera]

Lol. Seriously, the guy who's saying that the other guy should know something about sarcasm, dude, YOU should just go to a site like answers.com or wikipedia or whatever and find the definition of it. You are just seriously affected by it.

Yes, Kohaku is my friend. Yes, I admit that she flames/cuss the hell out of some things. Not EVERYTHING. She's indeed sweet, ya know. Anyways, it's just something like a balance. One side, she cusses the hell out of everyone just because she feels like it. On the other side, yes she still cuss BUT she indeed make a whole lot of f*cking sense. Yeah. About Jenust? Just because he said that he's god and all, you're affected w/ it? The fact that he's a GM? Again, read the definition of sarcasm plz. About Infinitum, yes he was wrong for deleting Zeus/Archimedes' post. I don't even know why. =D But I don't even care. So yeah. And take note, Infinitum's the one who banned you for saying something bad to a GM ;( Jenust is even patient.

And btw, moar endurance plz. I am not siding w/ anyone about this matter lawl.

Lastly, they don't abuse their power in thr fgRO forums. If someone just deserves a 1 day ban, he would receive a 1 day ban. If someone just deserves it to the limit, then yeah. =) Just be good and nice and all and they would be prolly the same to you. Or just ignore you. Much better than having foe foe foes! =D

Much Love,
Lady Zigen.



*I prefer Estranghera now.

[Candy]

@Deux

I apologize on behalf of Jenust regarding the argument on that thread. Sometimes it? just the way people see / take things, ???feels he is right, ???feels the same way too. I cannot change people? point of view on things. But no worries, it will not happen again.

As for Zeus, if he doesn?î¨,, have anything against you, he is really fine. But when he feels like flaming, he?l just appear and post false information about the server and GMs which will really mislead players. To add on, he doesn?î¨,, have a single proof. Whatever he said are just words. Rumours are really sensitive, especially if it? not true. The only reason why we deleted his posts were because of the excessive flames. I understand that certain posts might not contain flame, but bear in mind that he? not posting just one, but many. That's when we click a button and everything goes off. This is not a recent issue, in fact it has been going on for months. To add on, there was this recent issue between him and Mystic. Zeus was banned in addition to the number of warns issued previously. Mystic? posting ability has been suspended for a month. I need not explain any furthur.

Any other member in the forum who does the same thing gets the same punishment regardless who they are or where they are from.

@Nexus

As I have said, Zeus spreads untrue rumours, if you insist to consider a flame as a critic, I cannot change the way you think. He is being really biased in his posts, so there is no need to talk much about this person.

@GoddessMartel

I must say that this is another biased reply. How do you know that she (Kohaku) has no warns at all? Can you see? Kohaku was as excessive as Zeus, and that explains why she got banned.

There is no such thing as a GM guild. Even if there is, it? called ?M Team??that doesn?î¨,, go WoE at all. And who in the world created a rule that GMs cannot have legit account(s)? Are you trying to explain that the GM knows a lot about RO that is why he? just good at it? We don?î¨,, get paid, we are just helping out on our free will. Why is there a need to restrict us till that level? The only reason we are here is because of players.

I? like to rephrase your sentence ??our GM commands are limited. If a GM is caught abusing command(s), he/she will be suspended immediately. One of our GM, namely GM Cloud has been fired for abusing commands ??merely killing clients for his own personal gain.

May I know what kind of access to which godly item and where is the proof? Words again? I?l take that as a very sensitive rumour. Please back up your statement with solid and concrete proof ??not words.

We don?î¨,, ban or suspend without a reason. At some point, if someone goes over the board and his/her posts are excessive flames, yes they will be punished. So you think voicing opinions like what you just did is pretty fair towards the GM Team?

I won?î¨,, stop you from leaving. You can always leave if you don?î¨,, like the server.

==

At some point, I?l say that not everyone is perfect; of course we make mistakes too. You can pinpoint our mistake(s) if you have proof, and most importantly, constructive critisms only. :p

-GM Candy

[Deux]

@GMs
well then why was i suspended for 1 week considering there are already such heavy flamers present compared to me? im new.
just a warn or 1 day ban wasn't enough? i have never faced such an absolute kind of decision making GMs in any other server ever.
and it wasn't even me who had started all this in the first place.

[Slaw]

If you're just going to argue about a ban, please move this to PMs. If anyone else has something to say about the server, however, feel free to post them here. Though if you keep going on about a forum ban, I will lock this topic.

[Nexus]

We'll actually it's about the power-abuse and s***. Too bad they don't really wanna make a comment about it. It's not all about the ban, but yeah it's pathetic to even delete a post for absolutely no reason.

Anyway, I post really weird and sometimes I can't speak my mind..so just read GoddessMartel's post for it clearly describes what I have in mind.

[infinitum]

they have there own guild called incarnations its full of gm's in my opinion gm's should not be allowed to woe. gm's have all kinds of gm @commands and access to godly weapons they claim they dont use them but it has been proven once that they do and it also has been proven that they give items to members in there guild.

I've already been hearing this for months, but not once have I seen proof. Don't speak out unless you know what you're talking about.

@Deux-
I banned you for a week because you were directly flaming GMs. About Zeus/Archimedes, he's been flaming GMs for MONTHS now, so rather than constantly banning his new accounts after his old ones are banned, deleting is posts is much easier and it achieves the same goal.

[Deux]

the topic was & still is about the power abuse by the Gms.
as you can see how & what kind of reply infinitum has given. he admits deleting the post regardless of the reasons he stated since it's nowhere written in rules that you can edit or delete a members posts just because they hate him. unless the post is a blatant flame, you don't have the authority to touch his posts.

plus as you say he's such a great nuisance to you people, yet you can allow him to roam the forums freely and ban a new member for 1 week for a flame he did not even start since he isin't that good in getting around bans like others? please, give me a break.

@all in RMS forums
i advise to join fgRO but don't even think of joining it's forums since it's really really sadistic in nature. and filled with people like kohaku. even the GMs flame you back & when you say something they don't like, they use GM powers on you. thank god they are never active ingame or i can't even imagine to think how will they ruin the ingame community just like they are doing it in their forums.

[scryed]

the topic was & still is about the power abuse by the Gms.
as you can see how & what kind of reply infinitum has given. he admits deleting the post regardless of the reasons he stated since it's nowhere written in rules that you can edit or delete a members posts just because they hate him. unless the post is a blatant flame, you don't have the authority to touch his posts.

We already said his posts were deleted because of his flaming.

plus as you say he's such a great nuisance to you people, yet you can allow him to roam the forums freely and ban a new member for 1 week for a flame he did not even start since he isin't that good in getting around bans like others? please, give me a break.

It's so easy to just change your ip address or use a proxy

@all in RMS forums
i advise to join fgRO but don't even think of joining it's forums since it's really really sadistic in nature. and filled with people like kohaku. even the GMs flame you back & when you say something they don't like, they use GM powers on you. thank god they are never active ingame or i can't even imagine to think how will they ruin the ingame community just like they are doing it in their forums.

It was only one instance, we already apologized. Powers are never abused, there's a reason why they were banned or posts deleted. Even Kohaku was banned for a few months but bypassed the ban by using a different name. Everyone one flaming the server is holding a grudge.

[Deux]

QUOTE(Archimedes @ Sep 18 2007, 04:00 AM) *
no not exactly. it depends who does soul burn first or who has more mdef, or who got godly dex or who got more HP or who got their bolts first hit.

but thn again, if u really wanna see good proff duelling, u shud hv been here in the old times.

proffs like CAS, Cue Master, Sypher, Spectacle are still the best. personally, i love spectacle. the most devastating offensive proff of the server.

thng is....they all quit

QUOTE(Archimedes @ Sep 19 2007, 01:49 AM) *
i thot combat knife / poopoo reduces physical damage. does it reduce magical as well?? blink.gif

QUOTE(hiko @ Today, 08:21 AM) *
Poopoo does reduce matk cz a high wiz is a demi human but if compared with mdef on head it reducess less and combat knife is pretty well in reducing matk with mdef on wiz thts wat i use on my wiz combat knife LOL 65 mdef + combat knife

the bold part contains posts made by archimedes/zeus guy. please tell me & the RMS forums where & what kind of flames do you find in it? you won't. but still you won't find these posts in the thread because 1 of you decided to delete it just because you hate him. accept it. why won't you? and if you lift my suspension even for 30 mins, i can post/quote a whole lot more posts & threads that will show how his every single post was & still being deleted by you people even if it does not contain flames pointed directly/indirectly to members or the GMs.

i don't love this guy or something, i am only confirming my accusations on your power abuse practices, by making HIM as my example.

[infinitum]

He's been here for months, and in all this time he has been flaming and spamming. That's justifiable for a permanent ban on all accounts, since that's what an IP ban essentially does. However, since he keeps making new accounts on new IPs, it's easier to just constantly delete his posts rather than going through the ban process for every new account and IP he uses.

[Deux]

umm, GM Infinitum, do you even know what you're saying? if he has been for such a long time, why would you take such steps now?
more importantly, why would you go through time & pain to delete even those posts which are not flames at all? i think he has like what...8100+ posts. i saw it somewhere in "strongest person" thread. who encouraged him to reach that post count. isin't it all your doing in someway too? just because you didn't hate him THEN & you hate him NOW, you suddenly decide to delete even innocent posts of his along with the bad ones? that's...(i don't know what to call it actually, i can only lol at it).

banning, IP banning is justifiable. editing, deleting flames is justifiable, suspension is justifiable. but deleting innocent posts is not. justify that please.
not taking any action against GM Jenust for getting involved in flames & acting like a total moron is not justifiable. justify that please.
not taking action against other flamers like "kohaku" is not justifiable. justify that please.

after my suspension is lifted, i will actually tell all those who post in the off-topics to actually back me up on this point & you as well I know they WILL speak against you on this particular topic. thay all agree that deleting innocent posts is a power abuse done by you. you have all rights to delete flames. but not when it doesn't contain flames. justify this please.

@RMS
it's not about bans or ip bans or suspensions. hell i don't give a damn about my suspension. all i care about is reporting the power abuse done by the GMs in fgRO forums, specially the head administrators. and you can all see by their replies here what lame excuses or arguments they are putting up for their actions.

[GoddessMartel]

i don't have a grudge against fgro i wasn't banned or called out by the gm's i am a quite person in fgro people don't even know me that much i am going by what i see the gm's doing in the forums we don't have proof for our arguments they say? all of our proof gets deleted by the gm's i don't have a grudge with fgro i do this with every bad server that i see fgro isn't the only one. if people who read this don't believe me just join the fgro forums and do some looking around you will see exactly what i am talking about unless the gm's already deleted the post that proves our arguments.

[asdfqwerty123]

Forum arguments can get out of control, especially when people continue to reply.  It takes two people to argue, and from the sound of your original post (which is all we have to go on apparently - any real proof supposedly being deleted) it would seem that the person who flamed you would have been the only one in trouble had you not replied.  It would be considered an "attack" rather than a "fight".  It doesn't really matter how good of a reason you have, calling a staff member (anywhere) a "noob" is asking for trouble - no matter how true or false the statement might be in reality.  Considering all of this, the end result is not surprising.  I don't like how the word "abuse" is being used in this situation, it doesn't seem like it was unprovoked or done without reason.

[Slaw]

I agree with Zairik on this one. I took the liberty to register myself on your forums, and I'll be lurking it for a bit. Feel free to link me to some actual proof in any way, but please try to refrain from just throwing accusations toward fgRO onto the RMS forums without any proof to back it up. If this topic continues in the direction it's going, I will lock it. This is my final warning.

Also, a belated "Welcome to the mod team" to Zairik. Not sure how long you've been a mod, but I've been a bit too inactive to notice lately.

[Deux]

Forum arguments can get out of control, especially when people continue to reply.  It takes two people to argue, and from the sound of your original post (which is all we have to go on apparently - any real proof supposedly being deleted) it would seem that the person who flamed you would have been the only one in trouble had you not replied.  It would be considered an "attack" rather than a "fight".  It doesn't really matter how good of a reason you have, calling a staff member (anywhere) a "noob" is asking for trouble - no matter how true or false the statement might be in reality.  Considering all of this, the end result is not surprising.  I don't like how the word "abuse" is being used in this situation, it doesn't seem like it was unprovoked or done without reason.

you have only chosen to comment about my suspension & why i was suspended. that is not the issue here. the kind of actions being taken by GM Infinitum against a flamer by deleting even the non-flame ones & not actually banning him, not banning another possible flamer named "kohaku", and IMMEDIATELY banning me for just 1 "supposedly" flame, is actually qualified to be called as abuse. don't you think this is a totally bias decision? and the next issue is the kind of GMs being kept in GM team who actually involve themselves in flame wars & talk back at members (that too with senseless arguments) is.....sad?

my suspension was never a point here in this thread at all and zairik only commented on MY suspension. he hasn't said a single word regarding other things at all. but anyways, since you already said you're gonna lurk fgRO forums for a while and check it out, that's 90% of my goal achieved. thanks anyways.

[Setsumi]

Sorry for posting so late, but my friend just told me of this thread. Why am I being brought up in this conversation? If you're so eager to know, I'm Kohaku. All Kohaku. And as far as I'm concerned, you have no idea what you're talking about. Get facts straight before spewing out random rumors, cuss words and false evidence at random people you see. It's not always okay to PMS to your content, and even I know that.

First of all, I've been banned. Many times. On many accounts. I was banned for a year on my main account, Kohaku, then I made another account. Afterwards, I was IP banned. My ban was lifted OVER seven or eight months later. I have a high-er warn than most. I also do not have a moderator account. Please keep in mind that I DO joke around a lot. kthx.

Second of all, Zeus was banned for flaming (even worse than I do) and spreading rumors. Want more proof of that? Go back to... let's say... http://www.frozenglade.org/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=2738&view=findpost&p=150142. There. I believe that you can still see some of Zeus's posts because we quoted them, however, I'm too lazy to check right now. He's spreading rumors, without evidence. Read my post for proof of that that.

Third of all, I don't flame as bad as Zeus. He does things much worse than I do. As I've said many times before, half of my flames are in good humor. And as Estranghera has said, I sometimes have to flame to get things through a person's thick head. Usually they listen if you force it on them. No s***. Zeus needed his posts deleted, and badly. I'm trying to make this as clear as possible, and I'll repeat myself if I have to.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm really not all that bad. All in good humor. And Deux, if you have a problem with me, just PM me on the forums. Don't mention me in places where I don't belong. I don't like to be grouped in the wrong spots, you know? Let's take care of this, and leave the carebear style you're oh-ever-so used to. I'll prove everything you say wrong, just for the hell of it. It'll be fun, I promise. Unless you don't even bother, and leave me out of things like this, which is also fine with me. ~ Kohaku

[lord666]

@Deux

im so lazy to reply.

This is the bottom line..

Players should never flame GMs. coz GMs care about players and forum members. U never know. You said u are new, so did u see how their effort is? Observe better dude.

banning ur account is fair for flaming a Gm. Why in the hell are u flaming a GM anyway?

C'mon dude. u can do better than that.

[Deux]

@lord666
judging by your post i have found out who you really are. you are GM Jenust, aren't you? why exactly are you afraid to reveal yourself here? you know as well as others in fgRO forums know that you are terribly wrong in actually provoking a member to flame you back on your "oh-im-so-great-" kind of posts. accept your fault & apologise instead of criticizing others just to make yourself look good in a bad situation. you're even more pathetic than i previously thought you were. and thanks to "Slaw" for lurking the forums which has actually made you stop being a complete noob as a GM & act stupendously mature for once in a lifetime on the forums.
and thanks to Slaw once again due to which the GMs aren't deleting posts just for the heck of it.

@setsumi/kohaku
so you do accept you are as bad as zeus. incase you haven't noticed my original message has already been delivered to the GMs here. ty anyway. it wasn't about who is getting banned, who isnot, who is a flamer, who is not OR who is who here OR who is been doing what. my point objective was to bring into notice the malpractices being carried on fgRO forums to the moderators here, which i did succeed in doing so. surely even you have improved the way you type your post's now. heh, tell me if i'm wrong.

@slaw & other moderators here
ty for the efforts.

[Zeus]

jesus christ im so famous? rofl. neways

im Zeus, hello everybody.

its true im a flamer. a big 1, a very big 1 on fgro forums. but,
1. only to gms & mods
2. not so big as kohaku, as she has so sweetly told us how much n how many times she has been banned. unlike me, i hv been banned (my main) only once.

i agree with the noob deux here, gms did suspend him for such a small reason compared the foul play me & kohaku do all the time. n yet v roam free ^_^.
i also agree tht gm jenust TRULY is a noob.

apart frm tht, power abuses ARE going on. as deux has already quoted sm of my posts, i can ask say...10 more fgro forum members to quote a lot of other (deleted but saved due to being quoted) posts n shw u tht deleting my flames was fine, but deleting every single 1 of them? lolol well tht is a power abuse jst cuz the mods hate me. *winks at infi & fen*

apart frm all this i want to REPORT this server for:
1. ppl get banned for stuff being done outside the server (forums as well as ingame).
2. on gamesites 200 this server markets tht woe goes on here for 3 days whereas woes happen only twice.

my own brother ingame name "Lord Hiko" used to be GM Inferno smtime back on fgro. since hes my bro we chat on msn. one day we got into a fite (a normal thng for bros) & he banned me on forums as well as ingame. now banning me frm forums was ok since i was trying to reveal his identity to ppl on the forums. but as the server owner has smwhere said tht forum accounts hv nothng to do with ingame accounts. YET he banned my ingame account for no reason at all. i fought, n i was unbanned within 24 hrs coz the gms cudnt prove a s*** on me ingame. and i dnt knw why they also unbanned my forum account as well. (talk abt friendliness).
the forums had a whole thread of 32 pges, on this whole drama & the gms DELETED this thread. y? well i knw y cuz it wud make them n the server look bad but since its only me blabering, who will believe me ryte? (comment removed)
smthng similar has happened to gnubcake aka emiya. i hv chat logs, hes been banned for cussing his frnd (not a frnd now) on msn. we all fought for it, now he was unbanned.
but the dmg has been done. these so called gms (kids basically, none of thm are over 18 or 20) love to abuse their powers just becuz they hate tht person. as far as asking for illegal items ingame is concerned, i was present thr myself so was my brother, no such thng has happened ingame & if those fckers claim it has happened (read rms review abt fgro frm gnubcake), ask thm to post sm solid proof to back their accusations. n thn i can post  whole folder of ingame screenies & cat records to PROVE tht the legit chars of gms themselves DO such thngs n gm fen as well as gm infinitum is involved in it (gm miri too).

@mods here
u hvent been in fgro long enuf to actually notice the kind & degree of drama tht goes on in the forums as well as ingame. i recently quit but i was here for 1 year n i knw all tht goes on in the gm circles as well as the rumors abt all the gms legit chars being in 1 guild with all kind of s*** is also true.
they all r in 1 guild which was eternals b4 and incarnations now.

neways i dnt expect any reaction frm u guys, but i felt like reporting wht i knw AND to see how famous i actually hv becm just for flaming gms. haha. as far as my friendliness is concerned, i can ask tons of people to start registering here n post how good i actually am to others or any1 for tht matter.
the kind of flames kohaku does ALL THE TIME which she/he so nicely says is all in good humor? maybe 1 day u can cm in the forums for more than 5 mins, THEN i can pm u to visit a whole lot of thread rite frm september 2006 to september 2007 to actually make u see how good her humor really is. then v shall see who is a more bad donkey flamer. me or her. ciao.

P.S: i actually wasted my 20 mins break to type this s***. meh <.< back to work

[asdfqwerty123]

Scryed = Fen = Alan

Zairik = White Scythe = Erik

I'm not fen, stop telling people that.  I'm Zairik.  We're not the same person.  I'm not involved in this situation in any way, shape, or form.  In any case, this isn't something that can be labeled "abuse".  There seems to be a reason for this, even if people may think it's not fair, it's still not "abuse".  Abuse would be muting people for the fun of it or banning people because you have a personal grudge or giving specific people advantages over other players.  No one feels sorry for you because you replied to a flame and got yourself in trouble.

[Zeus]

Scryed = Fen = Alan

Zairik = White Scythe = Erik

I'm not fen, stop telling people that.  I'm Zairik.  We're not the same person.  I'm not involved in this situation in any way, shape, or form.  In any case, this isn't something that can be labeled "abuse".  There seems to be a reason for this, even if people may think it's not fair, it's still not "abuse".  Abuse would be muting people for the fun of it or banning people because you have a personal grudge or giving specific people advantages over other players.  No one feels sorry for you because you replied to a flame and got yourself in trouble.

u just explained the whole f*** point this dumb Deux has been trying to explain the ppl here. thnx kid.
bannung ppl over reasons regarding a MSN chat, deleting (innocent) posts of a person (me) just becuz 90% of the time i flame (for good reasons) n the mods hate me DOES cm under ABUSE man. go n lookup the dictionary frm which u quoed the very definition of the word ABUSE to me here.
or shud i cm n personally make u learn english?

secondly,
fen n u hv the same avtar, u both got the word scythe in ur internet names, u already knw the real name of tht f***, u already post on the fgro reviews under the name of "server owner" do U got any proof to tell ME tht ur not him or even related to him? i dnt thnk so. so go n suck up to sm1 else kid. i dnt get fooled by cheap internet words here.

thirdly i dnt knw y the hell u only choose to comment on bans n s*** n never  actually post smthng worthwhile to read upon or even sm teeny weeny proof to defend or atleast back-up ur lame excuses FOR fgro. geez whoever made u the global mod here, psshh. how old r u neways? huh?

 Do not flame. Especially not staff members.

[Setsumi]

Zeus, sorry to steal all of your "glory" of your post, but I could barely read it. And yet you spit back at Zairik to go read the dictionary. Seriously. What a hypocrite. Go learn how to spell you and thanks before you point fingers. So many flaws... so many things to reply back at...

Deux, I never said that I was as bad as Zeus. Half of the time I'm joking. Half of the time I'm not. I may "flame" in some cases, but I don't spread false rumors. And if I do say something, I always support myself with evidence. Know what that is? No, obviously you don't. That's when you provide a screenshot, video, ect to help you in the situation that you're in and to prove that what you're saying is correct. Wow, amazing. Learn how to do it someday. Really. It might made your IQ go back up by 1%... though I'm unsure if anything else can be done in that matter to raise it more. And Zeus, if you have screenshots and chatlogs, gladly post them up. "hay i have ss's of infi giving me haxed itanz yeah i do". Guess what? I can say things too. Doesn't mean that they're true, namely because I don't have anything to back up my accusation.

Zeus, forums and in-game are somewhat related. The only thing I didn't agree with Fen about was how he banned from over MSN. If a GM feels threatened, they SHOULD ban, depending on how serious it is. I've actually changed my mind about Emiya's case, seeing as how Emiya was constantly harassing an in-game GM for items and such. Now, back to what I was saying. In-game and forums are still based upon the same server, and if someone can get out of control in the forums, it's highly likely that they'll break the rules in-game too. Don't whine if you get banned, you did something to deserve it. In this case, Zeus got punished by deleted posts which he spends so much precious time on (see how hyped up he was on getting 8k posts. Pathetic.) and a ban. If you don't play, why even care about in-game events in the first place? About Emiya, he was ALSO unbanned. Confusions do happen, and GMs do get pissed.

Stop bringing me up. I've been banned before. I've been warned before. But now, I don't need to be warned. To all of the people joining fgRO or new to fgRO: why support some little flaming, whining idiots about server corruption when they don't have evidence? Zeus doesn't even play. Deux flamed a GM. They're just angry because of their "unfair" bans, which is like an 11 year old complaining that he was banned for botting because he let his 2 year old brother play RO for a while.

In short: I pity your poor, incompetent, irrational, illogical, dumbed-to-the-core brain.

 I'm sure you've heard this before, but please try to avoid personal insults.

[scryed]

Scryed = Fen = Alan

Zairik = White Scythe = Erik

I'm not fen, stop telling people that.  I'm Zairik.  We're not the same person.  I'm not involved in this situation in any way, shape, or form.  In any case, this isn't something that can be labeled "abuse".  There seems to be a reason for this, even if people may think it's not fair, it's still not "abuse".  Abuse would be muting people for the fun of it or banning people because you have a personal grudge or giving specific people advantages over other players.  No one feels sorry for you because you replied to a flame and got yourself in trouble.

u just explained the whole f*** point this dumb Deux has been trying to explain the ppl here. thnx kid.
bannung ppl over reasons regarding a MSN chat, deleting (innocent) posts of a person (me) just becuz 90% of the time i flame (for good reasons) n the mods hate me DOES cm under ABUSE man. go n lookup the dictionary frm which u quoed the very definition of the word ABUSE to me here.
or shud i cm n personally make u learn english?

secondly,
fen n u hv the same avtar, u both got the word scythe in ur internet names, u already knw the real name of tht f***, u already post on the fgro reviews under the name of "server owner" do U got any proof to tell ME tht ur not him or even related to him? i dnt thnk so. so go n suck up to sm1 else kid. i dnt get fooled by cheap internet words here.

thirdly i dnt knw y the hell u only choose to comment on bans n s*** n never  actually post smthng worthwhile to read upon or even sm teeny weeny proof to defend or atleast back-up ur lame excuses FOR fgro. geez whoever made u the global mod here, psshh. how old r u neways? huh?

 Do not flame. Especially not staff members.

Same avatar?Same person? Do you have ANY proof to back up your statements? None whatsoever. This is why whatever you say is not credible at all. Any mod on RMS can tell we are two completely different people.

[Slaw]

Same avatar?Same person? Do you have ANY proof to back up your statements? None whatsoever. This is why whatever you say is not credible at all. Any mod on RMS can tell we are two completely different people.

I've checked their IPs, and they do not match. I doubt someone would go through the trouble of using proxies 24/7 just to be able to act like two different people. Drop the accusations, please.

[Zeus]

@setsumi/kohaku
god, i lov the way u r trying to b such goody good kid here. whts up? afraid already? LMAO.
atleast i hv the decency to accept wht i am. wht abt u kid? ur practically PRETENDING to b nice just for the sake of it. thn again, wht more is expected frm sm1 as b**** & overtly immature as u. ^_^
keep up the good work

P.S: stop with the grammar nazi thng u moron. how many times do i hv to tell u this? huh? my english is way WAY better than urs neways. n i dnt need proof for tht.

[asdfqwerty123]

I'm closing this topic.  This has become ground zero for the insult wars and it needs to stop.

I'll reopen this topic at a later time if requested, but for now it's locked.