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Offline damnhue

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #15 on: Nov 07, 2018, 04:41 AM »
I guess they do have one. Unfortunately i already started at another low rate server. I'll be migrating to this one once it closes down.

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Offline Zed

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #16 on: Nov 08, 2018, 04:43 AM »
Administration - 4/10
The GMs dont realy listen to the community and there is a lot of unsolved problems. Client, Game and Balancewise also Community releated things.

I don't know what you mean by this but the GMs actually are working actively on fixing all issues they find. Given that the people who run this server also have full-time jobs and work on it purely for the love of the game, fixing small bugs does take time, sure. There isn't a single server out there that's perfect and without 'unsolved problems'. Even Nova, with its paid staff, have fixes regularly. Ease down on the drama.

PvE/MvP - 3/10
Normal MVP, easy to kill nothing real challenging for pvm players.
This is a so called "pvm focused" server. But the recent changes to EXP song have hit the pvm scene hard. And will continue to harm the scene. They made exp-song uneffectiv in how their exp system worked after 6 years. This is again why new players have a very high disadvantage. Not only did they remove every efficent MOTD (mob of the day wich gives 2x exp) monsters like high orcs, now they also made party lvling less effctive then solo lvling. This is still supposed to be a mmorpg and not a solo agi assassin game of a game where u leech your own char with your knight.
They did this changes without talking to the community and from most of the council members ive heard their voices have been ignored ( wich also indicates that the gms dont realy care about the community).
Soloing at kahos or leeching yourself with a knight at High orcs, bathorys , annolians is the best way now. Wich is kinda sad and takes the whole mmorpg feeling away.

Misinformation right here. Ever since the fix to the exp-stacking with regards to Kim, the server actually sees a lot more parties and is a lot more social, but I suppose the growth and benefit of the server didn't suit your negative view of everything, so why bother telling the truth right?

This is a 5x server, getting to 99 is not that hard if you actually play and not stand in one spot and cast one skill for hours on end.

WoE
Grown a lot since I joined the server, and I am prolly one of the biggest reasons for it.

WoE has been great, yeah, but unlikely it's all down to you.  /heh

Overall I have to say the recent changes made the server worse. The disadvantage for new players is increasing wich will slowly make partys disappear because its simply not worth it. And when new players start to realise how hard it is now , for now reason at all, they wont continue playing or more likly not even gonna join the server imo.

We've had a couple of people who joined the server in the last few days and they're loving it, especially when they're helped by people rather than constantly fed a narrative that paints the server as 'negative, negative, negative'. Maybe help them out and revisit how you start characters? Because it's still the best-run Classic server out there. There is no good alternative.

In conclusion, to everyone reading, take what this Kirchen says with a pinch of salt. If you've been on Origins, you'll know how divisive a figure he is. He may be a good player and understands the mechanics of the game well, sure, I'll give him that, but he's not the best person to judge the server given his ban and constant strifes with the GM team. 

Offline Queen Bee

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #17 on: Nov 09, 2018, 07:25 AM »
People should probably not listen to Kirchen when it comes to stuff like oRO staff/community issues, considering he got his main account perma-banned over breaking ToS. Most of the things he says are based on salt and are heavily biased in his favour.

Also his idea of an "event" that he mentions earlier was to abuse a glitch/miss in oRO's anti-DB/summoning setup for towns to summon MVPs on merchant lines in Prontera.

Offline Kirchen

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #18 on: Nov 09, 2018, 10:18 AM »
 /heh u are an idiot. Its not based on salt.

I am still playing there, because there is no better option.  But there are reasons why big and good guilds or people how know alot about the game stay away from it, eventhough i tried and still try to get people here.In fact you are just a salty hater who prolly got slapped in woe.

In addition to this topic, recently there were issues with people abusing grfs for mvps. And the reason none was punished was actually a gm whos task was it to deal with it, didnt know how to use @disguise and stuff to prove the grf thing. I think this shows a lot about the goal of the server but they are struggeling because they dont know how to take control of macro or grf abuse. I think most the gms just dont have much of experience in dealing with bigger communitys or cheats.
One of my members had to explain the way u check for grf and sprites changes etc to a GM.

At least they are improving /no1

Btw nice 1 post acc , just to troll in RMS
« Last Edit: Nov 09, 2018, 12:29 PM by Kirchen »

Offline Crowthen

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #19 on: Nov 09, 2018, 12:45 PM »


Administration - 4/10
The GMs dont realy listen to the community and there is a lot of unsolved problems. Client, Game and Balancewise also Community releated things.


Can you elaborate more on this? Does it have something to do with the server running for 5+ years without adding transcendant classes, while original servers had it within 2 years?

Offline Queen Bee

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #20 on: Nov 09, 2018, 01:04 PM »
I've had this account for a while, but if you want to pretend I made it over a year ago just to mess with you today then go ahead, I guess.

Kirchen is one of the most toxic players on OriginsRO at the moment and his guildies aren't much better. They troll and toss baseless accusations against other players into global chats both in game and on discord and then act hurt whenever someone calls them out on their s*** actions. He can pretend to be a good influence on the server, "bringing in players" and whatever, as much as he wants, at the end of the day he still got caught cheating, breaking ToS severely enough to warrant a perma-ban, something that very very rarely happens on OriginsRO. Why he's allowed to play on the server at all is a mystery to me. A perma-ban shouldn't just be a reset to progress by locking someone's account, it should actually be a personal ban.

Offline Kirchen

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #21 on: Nov 09, 2018, 02:46 PM »
I think your most recent post already shows enough, what your goal with this is and why u never posted anything and why u post stuff now  /no1

Offline snakeside

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #22 on: Nov 09, 2018, 08:15 PM »
You know a server is good when people who get perma-banned and others hacked clean of their storage continue to persevere and start all over again

Offline Kirchen

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #23 on: Nov 10, 2018, 11:31 AM »
I dont think anyone who got permanent banned started on Oro again /hmm

Offline Herpderp

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #24 on: Nov 10, 2018, 06:35 PM »
Can you elaborate more on this? Does it have something to do with the server running for 5+ years without adding transcendant classes, while original servers had it within 2 years?

I do not play Origins but as far as I have seen the admin team have their own ideas about how to do things and will not budge when community desires conflict with it. For example they insist on having trans trap mechanics, a major reason why no "competitive" guild bothers with the server. Another example is mathy's response of "don't like it don't play the server" when people laughed at Origins still having screenshake (even modern official servers have a command to remove it these days, so their QoL is literally worse than the notoriously bad officials)

My impression of Origins was that they just treat it as their personal Hercules testing grounds and don't really care about the population count. Clearly, this has its downsides but also its upsides, for example we can be confident that Haru will leave it online even when only 5 people play. So Stability becomes a major reason why people started joining in the first place, explaining the recent population growth (iRO exodus on top of that).

As for the "never releasing trans" thing, well, it's probably more of a good thing than people realize. Especially in regards to woe.  /ok

Offline Lace

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #25 on: Nov 10, 2018, 09:53 PM »
/heh u are an idiot. Its not based on salt.

I am still playing there, because there is no better option.  But there are reasons why big and good guilds or people how know alot about the game stay away from it, eventhough i tried and still try to get people here.In fact you are just a salty hater who prolly got slapped in woe.

In addition to this topic, recently there were issues with people abusing grfs for mvps. And the reason none was punished was actually a gm whos task was it to deal with it, didnt know how to use @disguise and stuff to prove the grf thing. I think this shows a lot about the goal of the server but they are struggeling because they dont know how to take control of macro or grf abuse. I think most the gms just dont have much of experience in dealing with bigger communitys or cheats.
One of my members had to explain the way u check for grf and sprites changes etc to a GM.

At least they are improving /no1

Btw nice 1 post acc , just to troll in RMS

Hello! I'm a GM on OriginsRO (with the same name). This is obviously a snarky backhanded comment talking about me, so I thought I'd make an account to clarify a few things.

I'm the PR GM for origins. I don't do anything code-related, I don't host events, and I don't really even actively bot hunt. I'm the member of the staff who makes announcements when we need them, and keeps the staff informed about issues players are having. A lot of the staff members aren't people-people and have neither the time nor energy to talk to players on a personal level (because they're also really busy!!). That's fine. That's why I'm here! Players are always free to come to me about any issues they're having, or to bring problems (like bugs, bots, or grf abuse) to me, and then I forward their complaints to the relevant person who is most equipped to handle their specific problem. Which is sometimes still me, but usually not! I exist for the sake of transparency, which is something that the staff of Origins has struggled with in the past, but acknowledge is very important for a healthy, happy community, and I hope that we're starting to and will continue to do better in that department.

Anyway, enough about that!

I know the situation you're talking about and despite what you seem to think, I'm NOT the person handling that report. The only reason I had a dialogue with that player about the subject was because I happened to be online and they whispered me about it. That report is outside the scope of me, personally. In fact, that report was actively being discussed by the staff as a whole while that player was condescendingly lecturing me about how I should do this and that to prove they were using a modified grf (which I told the player). While his suggestions were appreciated, he was not aware of many details related to that report that rendered his suggestions irrelevant (details that the staff already knew about). Therefore, my response was essentially "thank you for your input", because I knew that it didn't really matter and I had no intention of discussing the specifics of a gameplay abuse report with a player.


I'm sorry you got caught cheating and you're upset that your account isn't going to get unbanned, and I'm sorry that you can't seem to get over it, but if you're going to snark about the staff, please make sure your snark is relevant to the people you're snarking about.

Have a lovely day, Kirchen~


Edit: I knew I forgot something! Regarding no way to disable screenshake: It's a limitation of our client (because it's really old). It'll be rectified with the new client we'll be getting "soon".
« Last Edit: Nov 10, 2018, 10:15 PM by Lace »

Offline Kirchen

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #26 on: Nov 11, 2018, 06:59 AM »
Idk why you try to make this about my acc or me being salty about your answer.
Its simply not, its still a good server, with a lot of postiv sides. But also a lot of bad things, wich i adressed right a the started after 1 month in gitlab, forum and directly to gms.
This is just a neutral review. There ARE community related issues, GMs are not GOOD at listening to the community. but they try.

I dont f*** care about my acc. I still play on the server and i am still greatfull this server exists, because its the only stable one. Just because I try to acknowledge things wich arent perfect on the server because I know a lot of community stuff and woe things and pvm doesnt make me a salty person. The only reason why i argued in gitlab for months even before the ban and with gms directly is because i wanted the servers community to grow and adress bad things wich holds players back from joining while keeping the original goal ( wich is a classic experience without renewal) alive. Being able to use @disguise etc are basic things for a gm, even a event gm should know how to check for grfs. Thats just my opinion though.

And there are in fact bad changes wich will have a bad influence on pvm scene and new players. and there are in fact changes now and in the past wich gave old players enourms advantage about the new once in terms of effort they have to pay to be able to get basic gear and lvls

Offline Charity Case

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 12:58 AM »
Ok Kirchen actually makes some good points here, but i guess everyone just wants to scapegoat him as a salty-cheating-german ( its even hard for people to acknowledge others online for contributing and being useful,who knew)

PvM-Yeah the recent changes to mr kim is quite alarming,very alarming(pretty much rendering the mr kim song useless,uneless your leeching someone who is the sole killer and exp gainer).
Sure the party scene is relatively ok right now,but like kirchen said,once people realize whats happend,theres going to be a drop in the amount of partys and ultimately the amount of people on.
(leeching your self yields more exp then your typical niff party,just to put that in perspective,which is about 150-180k.Used to love partying,not anymore)

This isnt the only controversial pvm topic,Monster of the day and floating rates!,which have been modified multiple times.(lots of trivia on this server,fun right?)

Monster of the day was a great feature,until they basically removed a big chunk of the good monsters from the list(not much to elaborate on this,other then old player base abused it for years and staff played a blind eye to it for "years",spin it how you want but thats just how anyone new to the server would see it imo)

Floating rates has been changed to this laughing lump sump of money needed in order to activate it ,which is apparently a good "zeny sink".The only time anyone saw it activated since its been modified was because of the halloween event!(which was activated for free,the irony!!).Anyways,floating rates is pretty much a meme now and hardly lives up to its old expectations,but hey at least i get a reminder in game that its still kicking around somewhere collecting dust..,mind as well save your zeny for rachel,oh wait.... trans when again? /heh

Drop rates/loots-What is this,amateur hour? MvP card drop rates not being 0.01 for a while,items like great nature and blue herbs dropping at a high-high rate for a so called "low" rate.And for a while too....damage was done already by the time changes were made

Its such a common theme here,older player base taking advantage of all these situations(floating rates,motd,mvp card drop rate,loot rate)...makes me wonder. Apparently hitting 99 in 1 day isnt a big enough of an alarm for staff to modify these features,but all of sudden when a new guild shows up and is catching up fast....all these modifications and changes pop up? more then coincidence for me,if not a very poor job of executing  from the gm team. The ladder wouldn't surprise me at this point

Events-Abysmal,i would say 1/10,just because they bothered to add something for Halloween. Only did the event for the costume,it felt more of a grind then an event.That speaks for itself.You have people buying halloween tickets in order to skip walking circles for hours and actively participating within the actual event.Oh yeah not to mention the cooler looking costume had a class restriction!,which was not mentioned at all by the npc,and the compensation headgear you offered wasnt even a costume!JOKE.want me to spell it again?

Honestly, the rise in server population imo has a lot more to do with the recent and not so unfortunate situation of iro and some people going out of their way to recruit,much less the server itself.

This server has so much potential,i can easily throw some cliche lines like oh the gm team is  "not listening to player base", and there is  "lack of updates", but honestly.... the server isnt so far off from being great and amazing.People want to play here and want things to work out,but the team behind the server is sometimes unbearable and i honestly think people are just going to lose their patience,eventually moving on.

Iv played on few great servers while this server was up diddling around being all cute hanging around ayothaya update and ooh look gunslingers and ninja!.
I think its about time the server grew some balls, pushed their agenda,hired some competent staff or at least some more personal and stop treating it as some cool side project. The time is now or never for this server, cool it has great stability,but who wants to play the same episode for years and years and keep argueing with staff about "oh this skill should work like this"  and "thats not official" or "present proof this skill was like such,with screen shots/video from 2004"

Lots of great thing about the server,but my god the negatives really need to be addressed

Offline olmer

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 01:39 PM »
I can't stand the imbalance due to advanced professions. OriginsRO is devoid of this problem. The best option for nostalgia.
Client for MacOS is a BIG PLUS
Sorry for my english...

Offline pixelCat

Re: OriginsRO
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 06:24 PM »
Hi,
I have been joining oRO since June (after a 10 years RO break).
To begin, this server has no donation which is more than awesome and yet the server is stable and the staff is serious (contrarily to a large number of servers with staff who are only motivated by money). So, thanks a lot to them for this first point.
Then, the community, like everywhere, is a large melting pot of mentalities, cultures and nationalities. I had the chance to meet a nice group of players who gave me a warm welcome. I don't doubt you will find you too a nice group of player, there's a right one for everyone.
The population number is steady. The server is sometimes quiet at certain hours (due to time differences between coutries, which is understandable) but nothing particularly alarming.
The only hang-up here is that new content is released at a very slow rate. However, i am not really objective because i have always played on post-rebirth servers in the past. Classic has its charm tho.
I will definitively recommend this server to anyone interested in a stable, serious and nice server. As i said, it has not donations but also limits "custom" features (gears, maps, etc...) which completes the immersion.
I'll cut it off (even if i have alot more to say) and simply wish a good journey to everyone who will join us.
See you soon!

(thanks a lot to the one who helped me to write this in a proper english)
 /kis
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 06:30 PM by pixelCat »