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My initial reaction and extended thoughts on NeuRO

Just a little background, I go by Eeyore and I'm an off and on again Ragnarok Veteran, I've played RO since its first come out in NA back in 2003, I've played on official all the way to 1k rate servers and have well over 500 in game hours put into ragnarok. I will be doing my review portion first and then follow it up with my first impressions of the server.

Availability/Stability: Of the week that I've been online I've actually never experienced any down time based off of when my playing schedule is, and when they did the patch which was a good thing for me and I predict that the admin decided to put the downtime at a low peak hour. Haven't had any lag, nor have I experienced any down time.

Population: The population is steadily growing from what I've seen based off of the twitter page but at any given time its roughly at about 200. I wasn't paying attention during WoE hours so I can't really comment on that specific part.

Community: This is really where from my perspective that this server is actually hurting, it may just be because this is the way RO is now, however no ones really talked to me on the contrariety I haven't really talked to them either, so it seems that the server isn't friendly but I wouldn't go as far as saying that it is unfriendly, I assume anyone could get on the server and have a 100% different experience, I've devoted most of my time to leveling and hunting so the social aspect really hasn't kicked in for me yet.

Staff/Admin: Event wise there was just 2 Admin events today and they seem really nice and talkative and friendly, I can't really comment on how helpful they are because I rarely need help due to how much ingame and server side experience I've had so again I can't really comment.

Competition: Haven't participated in WoE, or anything competitive yet, however there are videos and the competition looks promising.

Economy: This is another point where the server seems kind of like a seesaw, its economy can balance out because of reasons I will list in my first impression section, however there are a few things that have the potential of ruining the experience in the whole zeny hoarding and economy players out there.

Playability: Server is like any other RO server, unique in its on way and bad in its own way, the best thing about this server is that there are always things happening and I hope that these mini events and community groups continue to happen.

Over all regardless of how much this next part is going to sway you in the other direction I suggest you try the server out for yourself, its actually really good; on the opposing side I want to be 100% honest with everyone and voice my concerns and hopefully that'll make the server better in the long run.

Eeyore's First Impressions and Concerns.

After installing and getting into the game my initial experience was actually quite bad; I was thrown into a map flooded with poring, poporing, lunatic, fabre, and drops. Which seems like an ideal place to actually start, however what was very disheartening was the wizard doing meteor storm and mass farming all of the mentioned monsters cards. For someone who's played RO as long as I have that is not really the initial experience you would expect or want out of a server, how said person got into the specific room with a second class character I've still yet to figure out. Once I actually got into the main city [I stayed in that first room til level 40 because of super easy experience and the fact that I can get fabre and drops cards for future use was really my main motivation] I found that many people weren't talking even when I attempted to talk to them, so the second sort of thing that irked me is the sort of elitist community, and even 4 days after many people are very.. how do I put this, not talkative. It's not quite a **** attitude but it's not friendly [I am generalizing this on quite a broad scale.]

Instead of Prontera being littered with vendors they have a nice neat vending room which is really good, however Prontera [main city streets] are littered with "BRB" "POTTY" "B> VALK ARMOR" chat rooms and these aren't regulated off to the side people put them anywhere and everywhere in the streets and it makes it hard to actually click on the npc and such. Of course there are people who have the proper manners and knowledge to actually put these sorts of things off to the side however there are people who don't and it makes navigating the main city very hard.

Once I got into leveling I found the first thing about the server that I actually didn't like a lot and its basically where the dungeon warps are. The dungeon warps always warp you to the first level, however there is a few places that I personally can't agree with having as a warp. Mainly the lack of Glast Heim warps, there are only 2; One to prison the other to the main Glast Heim map. The next warp is Brasilis Dungeon 1, mainly because of the Iara drops [Witherless 12.5%, Crystalmirror 25%, AND the main attraction Heart of Mermaid 100%] Also yes I realize that obeaune have just as good drops however, the witherless drop rate is 5% less, and there are only 40 on a gigantic map where as on Brasilis Dungeon there are 60 in the first medium map and 120 in the second level which is roughly around the same size as the first. I can't imagine how many AD pots there are on this server.

While getting my sniper up to higher levels I found yet another thing that left a sour taste in my mouth and is probably the reason for the amount of snipers doubling the other classes. The fact that snipers can change the element of their attacks based off of the type of arrows they use is the benefit to being a sniper that and quite high dps and lock down capabilities in PvM. Because of this there is absolutely no need for an arrow vendor of every single type of arrow. ESPECIALLY steel arrows! [If anyone needs a better explanation why there should just be basic vendor arrows in a vendor I would be willing to appease you.]

There is one last part about this server that is actually quite puzzling and that is how many different types of currency there are let me break this down for everyone:
Zeny [Standard RO Currency]
Vote Points [Vote for Points]
Kafra Points [Vote Points are changed into Kafra Points on a 1-1 ratio through the site.]
Neu-Coin [Donation coin that can also be redeemed by accumulating 600 kafra points.]
Event Points [I won an event earlier today it said I was rewarded with 100 points and I've looked around to find out what I can use these toward or change them into and there is absolutely no information on it.]

So basically this is the order VP -> KP -> Neu-Coins -> Donation Items. Where the event points fall into the mix is out of my realm of knowledge.

All in all the complaints I have are mostly about how the economy will be effected later, and small fixes:


After saying all of the bad, there are no more complaints on my behalf meaning that I will be playing on this server until it eventually dies [which hopefully isn't for a while.] :]

TLDR: Server is great, if you're looking for a MidRate Server join this one because its actually among the best I've played on.

Thank you for your extended review!
It helps us alot by telling the whats good and not, and you really are doing your part as a community member voicing your opinion about how and where we can improve! So we thank you for that: and you should be receiving a response on the NeuRO Forums thread about the feedback you sent in.

Once again, thank you for your review!(:

EDIT: You can look at the Admins response and the players response as they answered most of your questions here:
http://neu-ro.net/board/index.php/topic,847.msg8741.html#new (http://neu-ro.net/board/index.php/topic,847.msg8741.html#new)

Thanks once more!

Oh, I had totally forgot I had posted this. After surgery I'm back on this server. All of my concerns were addressed with good reasons, the GM's, although, with limited availability are very responsive to the community and are willing to listen to player requests and act upon such things if needed and well received. Again, a really good server. I suggest you try it! :]

I would also suggest that people try out this server as a 'fun' server, and not as a serious, competitive one. You can expect Biochemists, Snipers, and Champions to far outweigh all the other classes due to the ridiculous ease of getting the reagents for those classes. I am talking about people having more acid bottles than they have anything else.

Quote from: RaimSuriom on Sep 08, 2011, 03:14 PM
I would also suggest that people try out this server as a 'fun' server, and not as a serious, competitive one. You can expect Biochemists, Snipers, and Champions to far outweigh all the other classes due to the ridiculous ease of getting the reagents for those classes. I am talking about people having more acid bottles than they have anything else.

I second this. bombs etc is way too easy to obtain. Also even though its a midrate you can max trans within a day at scarabs.
I did enjoy some people at neu but the woe is dry so it definatly is more for sitting and chatting.
Though I think this is more with most servers, including neu. If your just anybody its hard to meet people/make friends. idk if neu attracts the less socialble people or what. you have a wayyy better chance of making any friends if you're wearing a gm suit. lol. But dont worry, neu is hiring!

@Rain, The fact that Ragnarok has become very lazy, yes very lazy, we must make ways for people to actually be active.
Are you being serious, Oreo?

These aren't dry. 4 active guilds during WoE SE is not dry.

neuRO WoE 10/09/11 [Remnants - KARA] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuCLSHKzMng#ws)
bulba_nRO_Sep3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EFIsWnZP0g#)
bulba_nRO_Sep10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeljtpFWVYE#)
OneSergeyX WoE 09-10-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA0YzgW80Xc#)
OneSergeyX WoE 09-03-11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8yq4sGnLNo#)
[Nekro] Innuendo 9/10/11 Neu RO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6zDnkxXKfg#ws)

Hint the fact they are all from different guilds.

Quote from: Oreo on Sep 08, 2011, 09:53 PM
I second this. bombs etc is way too easy to obtain. Also even though its a midrate you can max trans within a day at scarabs.
I did enjoy some people at neu but the woe is dry so it definatly is more for sitting and chatting.
Though I think this is more with most servers, including neu. If your just anybody its hard to meet people/make friends. idk if neu attracts the less socialble people or what. you have a wayyy better chance of making any friends if you're wearing a gm suit. lol. But dont worry, neu is hiring!

i smell mad- someone cant get over how she got fired for poofing without a notice :(

The hell? BG isn't giving anything out to Snipers to make them amazingly useful now. Person saying woe is dry when a week before their post a new guild started woeing and the day after a 4th joined. Not to mention each getting bigger.

And Oreo, just get out. You sound mad for getting fired for being inactive/useless. There are a lot of us who meet and talk to just as many people (if not more) than the GMs here. Its clear you don't even pay attention to things and just comment, prolly why you think people here aren't that social.

ps: 5th and maybe even a 6th guild coming into play fairly soon. Sooooooo...

Im not mad about anything O: I like now a neu lovers mob comes after me.
I am saying it as it is. The woe hype isnt as big, and people dont seem very social.

And id like to ad that I made a legit on the server instead of Gming. I was never fired. Lol.
Though the turn-over rate on neuro is so high.~

The turn over rate for what? And interesting, because I seem to recall a different story of why you were no longer GMing there when I got hired in your place. Hmm.

But if you're referring to the turn over rate for GM's there's only three that are no longer there. We've only removed three for various reasons that were their own fault. One being a trial GM, so she wasn't even a full GM anyway.

Other than that, it's been me and Laevateinn for 2 months of the server's total 72 days, and Fino for about a month also. We've really never had more than three at a time. Lol. To me that doesn't seem like a 'high turnover rate'. Cutting the fat for people we don't think should work for us anymore / have royally messed up isn't something to do with us, it's with the people who are being fired. It's not us, it's you.

Don't start a flame war and expect people who love the server not to respond. We have a lot of dedicated players, and if we were such a terrible server something tells me we wouldn't have a peak of 641 players with 470+ online at all times, peaking almost DAILY. To me that sounds like a pretty successful server, doesn't it?

You've been sour since the moment I met you, including badmouthing me to a lot of people just because I was your replacement as spriter (although that hardly counts considering that's more of my secondary job at the moment and you weren't even there long enough to really do any sprites for us). If you left because you wanted to play a legit instead of a GM, you wouldn't have the reactions you're having now. I don't really know you, and the only problem I've ever had with you is when you badmouthed me and MY reputation to people (which is neither here nor there), but if you want to try and start a fight about my server and my admin, I'm going to have a poor reaction. You can share your opinion no matter how silly it is, but don't just insult us for no real reason, please and thanks.

Quantity of guilds during woe does not make quality (competition). Unless you really think sandwiching other people for 2 hours is fun.
I've played servers with 6-7 guilds woeing and the woe's were still pretty dull. Everyone has their own opinion of how the woe scene feels. Just wanted to add that before people QQ about ones opinion on that matter.

Like I said, one is entitled to their opinion, but being rude and insulting is another story.

That's my two cents at least. I can't speak for the other posters in the thread.

I don't see how this would be considered a flame war? If anything he/she made an opinion(negative) about your server and people took it the wrong way.

This oreo person has only made 2 post here in this thread, and the first being 100% unrelated to the fact he/she was even a GM on the server at one point. The GM suit comment doesn't necessarily make the said poster a GM. Looks more like the above posters are flaming this single person.

Unless some post have been edited since i recently read through this thread.

All was said that, WoE is not dry. SE is a about GvG and if you watch at least one of the video's you can see that.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion / post, we cannot stop them from posting.

This is the last post i'm making. I didnt post in this thread to start any war just to state my opinions on the woe and the social aspect. If you do not want critizism on your server then dont advertise to leave a review on rms.
Anyways~

Quote from: leokimah on Sep 12, 2011, 12:28 AM
I don't see how this would be considered a flame war? If anything he/she made an opinion(negative) about your server and people took it the wrong way.
This oreo person has only made 2 post here in this thread, and the first being 100% unrelated to the fact he/she was even a GM on the server at one point. The GM suit comment doesn't necessarily make the said poster a GM. Looks more like the above posters are flaming this single person.

Thank you Lol.

Quote from: Secret Duckie on Sep 11, 2011, 11:28 PM
Don't start a flame war and expect people who love the server not to respond.  To me that sounds like a pretty successful server, doesn't it?

I never said the server wasnt sucsessful. I know the server was sucsessful with 100+ players in a week. Nor am I starting any kind of flameing.

Quote from: Secret Duckie on Sep 11, 2011, 11:28 PM
You've been sour since the moment I met you, including badmouthing me to a lot of people just because I was your replacement as spriter

- I dont have any negitave feelings tword you and never have.. So I'm not sure where this is coming from? If I did anything to offend you i'm sorry. I was against Customs in neu but it wasnt anything to do with you. I was Honestly against it because it was what I was hired for then was taken out after I got the position. Aka my job is ovah. Then when I left GMness and you made customs so I assumed I was lied to. (And this was cleared up with clive and I apologized to him. He told me he didnt ask you to do them. But this is still not bad mouthing you) Sooo yeah?

Anyways. Just to sum things up again, I'm not mad about anything. And my posts were not flames, so please re read them without your panties bunched up. If my gm hiring joke offended you guys, Im sorry. It was a joke. And as for being fired, I made a legit char and quit being a gm. And I know I was wrong for not physically saying "I quit" to any of the admins and just playing in the shadows as a regular character. But whats in the past is past. And theres  a whole story on this which im not getting into because whats in the past is in the past.

Hope this cleared some things up!

70 percent of the WoE population autopots.
Inneundo if they are still there does it as well.

MattyRoh even posted the script on how to do it on the guild forums.

Its pathetic.

An active population that cant even play fairly.

I would say that 70% is a low assumption.

Most if not all serious WoE servers allow autopot, skill spam (ahk) and RCX. People have been using these said programs in WoE for years now. You can't really stop people from using it even if your server has the highest level of harmony it's still easily bypassable by someone who has basic computer knowledge. h5 to servers who think wasting money on the maximum serverside security is actually a good idea.

Autopot isn't really a problem (hell if it wasn't for autopot (ahk) we probably wouldn't even have todays meta) and it's not that hard to find if you google it. The biggest problem is GRF editing out skill animations that can break woe's to the point it's unplayable for other guilds. Harmony has done a decent job at blocking GRF edits so far, but it's still bypassable and it's easier to do so than you'd think. People lack computer knowledge it seems.

Also regarding "SE is about "GvG's". That may be true, but you also got to take into consideration that no matter how many GvG's you have during WoE if your competitors are no competition for your guild then it will be considered a dull "dry" woe. Now that is in no way directed towards the WoE's on your server so please do not take it the wrong way. This is from personal experience.