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Offline Wreet

My experience in TalonRO
« on: Aug 02, 2017, 02:50 AM »
TalonRO is this incredibly big, helpful and friendly community, which is willing to help you wherever you go. This is a very important aspect, if not the most, when talking about a highly social game like Ragnarok. The Discord channel is full of life and enhances even more the social experience. Furthermore, you can use discord to chat directly with the GMs, which is also important to note.

PvM is very extensive and well established, with a lot of different alternatives between custom and official dungeons and mobs. There are also daily and monthly events which always keeps you entertained.

One thing I don't like is the customization or nerfing of some items. In my view, these items makes official PvM much easier and on the other hand changes the meta of Ragnarok very strongly. They did this for what they consider to be rebalancing and there are many people who like it so I won't put it in the cons but it's necesary to note this in case you're thinking of joining the server.

Starting with the cons, the main and most important of them, is that PvP is dead. Its necesary to say that there is two modes, Vanilla and Unrestricted (which allows you to use those custom items I talked about before). This just splits players into two modes which affects the total amount of people playing each one. Even though, the most popular mode nowadays, Vanilla WoE, has just 3 guilds actively competing for the castles. This is a crime in a server which averages 1400+ players online. So, if you're interested mainly in PvP, this is not the server you're looking for. They really must work harder to improve this aspect as the main downside of the server.

Another con is the donation thing. Everything, and if not everything, almost, can be obtained donating. It's compulsory to say that you can get EVERYTHING by grinding, so is not a pay to win server, but it certainly nerfs one of the main aspects of Ragnarok, the before named grinding. This also leads to an extremely controlled economy which is more or less dominated by donation coins price which could be good in a way but it certainly looks artificial with no variation of prices depending on the usage/quantity of the items in the game. This tendency also leads to  Grinding money > Grinding items, which cuts hard the farming thing.

To sum up, PvM = 10/10, PvP = 3/10, Economy = 6/10, Social aspect = 10/10. It deserves a try, I personally like it due to social aspect, but it requires a lot of hard work to improve the PvP scene.

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Offline Boreas

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #1 on: Aug 02, 2017, 07:07 AM »
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They really must work harder to improve this aspect as the main downside of the server.

Doing this whole thing in my freetime I cannot work harder on PvP than on my RL job for instance. However, we are working actively on PvP already. You might have noticed the PvP events that popped up during the last weeks for example.


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Another con is the donation thing. Everything, and if not everything, almost, can be obtained donating.

None of the high-end items ban be obtained through donating. Neither our SQIs, nor other high-end items. New episode items are not added to the donation shop either.


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This also leads to an extremely controlled economy which is more or less dominated by donation coins price which could be good in a way.

This acxtually helped to keep our economy stable for the last 10 years, so the pros outweigh the cons by far on this one.


Thanks for your honest review, I appreciate the feedback!
« Last Edit: Aug 02, 2017, 07:16 AM by Boreas »

Offline Styx

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #2 on: Sep 02, 2017, 05:14 PM »
Well, he means Boreas, that a good and smart player can get anything with donations, regardless if it is directly in available there or not. I am surprised though you still need a job beside this server it shouldn't be an obligation but rather a choice you make. True is that your server is better in prospects then any other so called trash not P2W server around which exist for 99% out of lowlife 3thparty users with no dime to spend at all except the stolen credit card they can get their hands on.

Offline Xebrios

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #3 on: Sep 08, 2017, 10:58 AM »
https://imgur.com/a/bXI2N great staff on hand, very professional responses as well... Glad I didnt donate.

Offline Boreas

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #4 on: Sep 10, 2017, 02:38 PM »
I do think it's very professional to enforce our server rules. Not sure what unprofessional about our responses. You asked why you couldn't donate, I told you that you were banned for having more than one forum account. Then you submitted a ticket and asked if we could delete your forum accounts and I responded with "nope". Sure, I could have written a 20 lines paragraph instead, but it would always come down to "nope, not gonna delete your accounts as we need them for our punishment history". Anyway, better spend your money on a server that does not care about its rules.

Offline Xebrios

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #5 on: Sep 11, 2017, 03:28 AM »
No but you would rather come to forums and write a "20 paragraph answer" instead of simply telling me " Sorry, it is against the rules to have multiple accounts, I am going to have to ban those account's and then your free to start over, don't let it happen again" anyways, enjoy your day job because your  private ragnarok server is never going to pay your bills with customer support as shown above. Thanks for the response and to further extrapolate on my point!

Offline RistrettoJoe

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #6 on: Sep 11, 2017, 10:56 AM »
No but you would rather come to forums and write a "20 paragraph answer" instead of simply telling me " Sorry, it is against the rules to have multiple accounts, I am going to have to ban those account's and then your free to start over, don't let it happen again" anyways, enjoy your day job because your  private ragnarok server is never going to pay your bills with customer support as shown above. Thanks for the response and to further extrapolate on my point!
I don't care how people will reply whether it is with an accusatory tone, without the words "sorry", or without explanations because when you are only reading, it will be difficult to input the emotions as compared to when you're actually talking in real life.

But the guy does have a point.

How petty it is to get banned for having more than 1 forum account. Oh, you might say "Rules are rules". That's understandable. However, can't you forgive the person?
He misunderstood the rules.
He also said "feel free to delete the forum accounts".
He even apologized.
(The fact that he wanted to donate is a bonus)
Then you might reiterate, "the law maybe harsh but it is the law"
Then I'll leave it there, I can't do anything about it.

Whatever. Though, it's kinda funny how the GM is now eager to type paragraphs just to defend the server. Hey GM, don't worry about this guy. If your server is really good, good testimonials will overcome the bad ones  /no1  /ok

Offline Boreas

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #7 on: Sep 11, 2017, 11:26 AM »
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How petty it is to get banned for having more than 1 forum account. Oh, you might say "Rules are rules". That's understandable. However, can't you forgive the person?
If we forgive one person then we have to forgive every person. If we don't then that would be unfair and you will soon find a post on RMS about that. Lol

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He misunderstood the rules.
Not understanding rules and laws does not mean you are allowed to break them. Oo

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He also said "feel free to delete the forum accounts".
Your point? He can register a new account and start over, we just don't delete accounts for the reason I listed above.

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He even apologized.
"Sorry man, I shot your dog."

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(The fact that he wanted to donate is a bonus)
Not at all. Donators get no special treatment.

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Whatever. Though, it's kinda funny how the GM is now eager to type paragraphs just to defend the server. Hey GM, don't worry about this guy. If your server is really good, good testimonials will overcome the bad ones
So when someone posts a rage review because he got banned then that's okay, but if I defend myself (not even the server in this case) it's not? Weird logic you have there good sir.

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anyways, enjoy your day job because your  private ragnarok server is never going to pay your bills with customer support as shown above. Thanks for the response and to further extrapolate on my point!
Just shows what kind of person you are: "QQ, I got banned, you suck, your server sucks, go die in a corner". Pathetic. Good luck on your next server~

Offline RistrettoJoe

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #8 on: Sep 11, 2017, 08:12 PM »
 /ok

As I have already said, I can't do anything about your rules.


"Your point? He can register a new account and start over, we just don't delete accounts for the reason I listed above."
Relating on the circumstances, my point is he wanted to correct his mistake. The mistake being the fact that he forgot his forum user&pass and decided to make another maybe because he can't retrieve the old ones. And you wouldn't give him that opportunity. I'm pretty sure he wont register new accounts and start over if he was sincere on his apology.

"Sorry man, I shot your dog."
Sorry man, I created more than one forum account *banned*

"So when someone posts a rage review because he got banned then that's okay, but if I defend myself (not even the server in this case) it's not? Weird logic you have there good sir."
Is his review a rage review though?
I simply said it was funny.

(The fact that he wanted to donate is JUST a bonus - no impact)
« Last Edit: Sep 12, 2017, 01:01 PM by RistrettoJoe »

Offline IvoryMouse

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #9 on: Sep 14, 2017, 02:50 PM »
I do think it's very professional to enforce our server rules. Not sure what unprofessional about our responses. You asked why you couldn't donate, I told you that you were banned for having more than one forum account. Then you submitted a ticket and asked if we could delete your forum accounts and I responded with "nope". Sure, I could have written a 20 lines paragraph instead, but it would always come down to "nope, not gonna delete your accounts as we need them for our punishment history". Anyway, better spend your money on a server that does not care about its rules.

There's being professional, then over enforcement. You're employing over-enforcement for a simple mistake. He made a second forum account. Do you not have Email Recovery/Password Recovery options? Since from the looks of it in this thread that should've been an option for him. Instead you demonize him for making a second account and he had plans to donate, which would've helped you. But instead you chose to burn a bridge for a potential player who probably would've told his friends about the server.

In short, you failed to stay professional and resorted to abuse of power/authority in order to make your point clear. You show no sympathy in the least bit. The man apologized and tried to make a compromise in which you shot down in the form of two letter. "No." so let this be an example to the future players of RO. This is the kind of thing we deal with on the daily basis. If you are going to treat your players this way, then by all means continue to do so. I'm sure when the time comes and the money runs dry you're going to wish you actually turned a blind eye for once.


Offline Cressy

Re: My experience in TalonRO
« Reply #10 on: Sep 14, 2017, 06:33 PM »
There's being professional, then over enforcement. You're employing over-enforcement for a simple mistake. He made a second forum account. Do you not have Email Recovery/Password Recovery options? Since from the looks of it in this thread that should've been an option for him. Instead you demonize him for making a second account and he had plans to donate, which would've helped you. But instead you chose to burn a bridge for a potential player who probably would've told his friends about the server.

In short, you failed to stay professional and resorted to abuse of power/authority in order to make your point clear. You show no sympathy in the least bit. The man apologized and tried to make a compromise in which you shot down in the form of two letter. "No." so let this be an example to the future players of RO. This is the kind of thing we deal with on the daily basis. If you are going to treat your players this way, then by all means continue to do so. I'm sure when the time comes and the money runs dry you're going to wish you actually turned a blind eye for once.

There's definitely a password recovery button.
(click to show/hide)

But gosh, if only there were some warning, something that told you in no uncertain terms that making a second forum account could get you banned...
(click to show/hide)

In addition, if for whatever reason you can't access your original master account, make a support ticket? Make a new one, then you just open a ticket explaining what happened, problem solved. Trying to explain it after you've been banned... that's a bit of too little too late in my opinion.
Frankly I'm so damn happy that GMs on Talon don't "turn a blind eye" they have set rules and each player is expected to follow them the same way or EACH player will be punished the same way. There's no favourites, there's no "oh but they're gonna donate", there's the rules, and you follow them. Or if you don't want to, I guess you go somewhere else, which sounds like a solid plan to me.