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Title: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 13, 2013, 05:01 PM
So my initial review was removed for being too vague, apparently. I just didn't want to repeat what everyone else had already said about stability and other obvious aspects of the game.

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If you have a problem with one area of the server and not the other, giving every category a low score is being unreasonable and thus lead to the deletion of your review.  For those categories that were not mentioned by your review content we could only assume they are fine and deserve a better score.

So here we go. A full review on LiberationRO.

Server Ratings

Stability: When hovering over the question mark when reviewing a server, RMS also includes freeze rate in this category. The server is often up (despite the late-hour lag which I describe in the next section). The main issue with the server's stability is its awful client. First of all, the main client is absolute rubbish. Presumably, staff couldn't ever figure out how to allow dual clienting with their main patcher's client. As a "solution" the staff included some gibberish-named hexed client that allows dual clienting WOULD NOT RUN GAMEGUARD UPON LOADING. This COMPLETELY defeats the purpose of even purchasing GameGuard for a server. Additionally, and this has happened about 7 times to me within my month's stay, the hexed client's .exe file would randomly disappear from my LiberationRO folder. I had to keep extra copies on my computer to replace it when this happened. I wasn't the only one who had this issue, either. It had been reported multiple times but it was never addressed, like the dual clienting issue. However, this doesn't address the freeze rate. These issues are definitely worth mentioning, and this section seems most appropriate to capitalize on it. Most irritating problem with the client is that it would randomly freeze. As a multi-clienter, this was EXTREMELY inconvenient in maps/instances that you cannot easily return to, such as the end of Nidhoggr's Nest or Devil's Square. I generally kept three-five clients running at all times, and often two or three of them would randomly freeze up (often during tense situations, of course!). It's an absolute joke. If you can't even figure out how to modify your client to allow dual clienting, don't even bother running a server. You're lacking the technical skills that are required. (lolRightRO :D) 3/10.
                                 
Availability: Initially, this was not an issue in the daytime. I live in California, as a perspective. There were not too many disconnects during these times. However, it was at night (and daily) that the server was incredibly unstable. When gaming into the late hours of the night, as I often do, I would disconnect multiple times due to what is presumably overload from DDoS attacks (as it definitely didn't feel like normal lag, everybody else would disconnect as well, and the server didn't necessarily crash but disconnect us repeatedly). The one thing I will say is that there were not too many maintenance down times (due to lack of updates, which I will address later in this review). I'll give Liberation a 4/10 rating here because the second these disconnects start, I'd have to say "screw it" and go to bed.

Community Ratings

Friendliness: Friendliness was definitely lacking here. I can't exactly accuse the management of this issue, though. Often times, when running a server, this is left to chance. I'm a very sturdy player, and I don't care too much about other players being a******, as I'll usually respond with, "haeuhaeuhe". A few of my guild mates got harassed by one of the leaders of another guild multiple times. If it was bad enough for them to bring it up to me, it's bad enough for me to take it into account on this review. While I wasn't the nicest player in the world, either, I feel it's necessary to state that I'm a nice guy who tries to help until rubbed the wrong way. I generally kept to myself and my guild on this server. I will also state here that the forums have always been absolutely dead, especially recently. After stalking the forums the past few days, there have been only two new posts since this Monday. No new topics. 3/10 here.

Eventfulness: Very bad. During my month stay since the opening, I have been online for only TWO GM-hosted events. I'm sorry, but that's absolutely pathetic. The first event was a dropping of Gold Coins (the event currency, here) all over a map with Thief Bugs. This lasted about five minutes. The second event was the spawning of a few New Years monsters in Moscovia Dungeon lv. 1 (because Russia has a lot to do with the Lunar New Year?). One Nidhoggr's Shadow was spawned during this event. All monsters were spawned at the same time. This event lasted 7 minutes. Many players asked the admin, Megumi, to spawn some more monsters because this was a very quick and half-assed event. His response was something along the lines of "im not spawning more thats op". Hell, I would have been happy with a Kiel D-01. This server was boring as hell at this point, and killing ANYTHING with the amped-up pressure of an event would have been nice. There is also an on-going Lottery event, where Megumi will roll two dice to choose two numbers. If a player on the forums posted those two numbers in the same sequence, they would get a mediocre hat. Nobody participated for fun. They just wanted free crap. Also I think it's appropriate to discuss their system of auto-events. It's an absolute joke. The auto-events run all day, repeatedly. There is almost always one happening. Each win of an auto-event would grant 2-10 Special Event Tickets. Most events distribute 2 Special Event Tickets with the exception of the Disguise event. I have 95 WPM so I have no trouble getting 7-10 tickets from this event, and when nobody else was participating (which often happened), it was 10/10. It was the only event that gave out a reasonable amount of tickets. To describe the value of Special Event Tickets, 20 of them are used to create Gold Coins, which are used for actually useful items. At the start of the server, it cost 25. 50 Gold Coins were required for Sunglasses [1]. Well-Chewed Pencil cost 75 (umwat?) at first, and were reduced to 50 after multiple complaints. So as a result, these two hats required 1000 Special Exchange Tickets. You'll probably have to attend over 250 auto-events in order to obtain any of these hats, with the current rewards and conversion rates. That's absolutely retarded when these events are infinitely boring. There was only ONE way to obtain many Gold Coins at once, and I'll describe that in an issue with the staff later. Definitely 2/10 and I'm being generous.

This will be continued on the next post...

-Reality
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 13, 2013, 05:02 PM
Game Master Ratings

Friendliness: Oh boy, this is it. This is what makes this server a complete waste of your time. The management. Where to begin... I'll start with the assistants (sub-GMs? I don't even know what they're supposed to be called or what their purpose is...). There's about a 35% chance one of them is online. They don't seem to really do that much or be too involved with server development, after inquiring multiple times about some future updates. However, half of them are okay. I didn't have the most extensive contact with them, so I can't really be a judge. I didn't really have an issue either, besides a couple of them teaming up with Megumi all the time and not contributing anything. GM SloMo, who was I believe our developer (y'know, the one who couldn't figure out how to allow dual clienting? Yeah! That one!), was not online that much. That's okay. He's a developer, and developers tend to work behind the scenes. As such he wasn't heavily involved in the poor rating of this category. GM Amethy (spelling?) was MIA, and I never talked to him/her.

Unfortunately, this puts the admin, Megumi, front and center, which forces this category to be 95% about him. Honestly, admins need to lay low. They have far too much control, access, and power to be such involved public figures (especially the types of admin who allow themselves to see private chat, such as guild chat or PMs). Megumi is absolutely incompetent, inexperienced, and terrible at managing players. Ah, yes. I think I'll review Megumi's performance in story format!

During the first week, he was okay. I thought that he didn't really have his priorities with management straight, as there were a lot of unimplemented things that really should have been developed or even decided prior to opening, such as headgear quests, proper web, loading screen, and patcher development, and advertisement investments (I mean, come on. It looks like the presentation of this server was done in Paint, and you guys didn't even do the CP design yourself. None of it is cohesive, and it's all hard to look at and think you're taking this seriously... But this is only relevant in a FIRST review). I thought he had good intentions despite being a stick-in-the-mud. However things took a real turn for the worse. Being a stick-in-the-mud rapidly evolved into being a stick-up-the-donkey. With no new content, people wanted more. Many suggestions were made in the forums, and very few of them were actually implemented. A lot of these were good suggestions and they were very popular, such as adding Battlegrounds 2.0 rounds (we only had Rush and Conquest, and these got old very quickly as 3 vs. 3 GVG isn't really fun) or fixing a lot of the griefing and abuse issues with the Devil's Square event.

This is the event that I was talking about, earlier, being the most reasonable way to access Gold Coins. The Devil's Square event, as many of you know, spawns a ton of monsters in a small area on a secluded map. The monsters spawned were difficult things such as Bow Guardians, Retributions, Salamanders, Kasas, Sword Guardians, and Anubis. This event gave out 10 Gold Coins. However, there was an issue. This event had a maximum capacity of 10 players (often leading to leeching for Gold Coins and griefing by filling up the room before a guild can get their whole party in). One main issue is that this event required about 8-10 characters and an hour and a half to complete. With a very low population, this makes the event near impossible without dual clienting (as dual clienting is against the rules, but apparently not automatically enforced through an NPC's IP restriction capabilities... Incompetent!). The suggestion proposed that the 100 potential Gold Coins were distributed evenly between players in the event (in order to reduce the abuse of dual clienting and promote real team play), and that the event would be a party-registered instance instead of a public event, in order to remove the ability to grief. Megumi rejected this suggestion, stating "100 GC prize is way too Op ." Megumi misunderstood the suggestion with his failing English (which was more often than not inconvenient for trying to communicate). The prize was already 100 Gold Coins. I brought this up in the shoutbox. I said something along the lines of "Why the hell was that topic closed and moved to rejected? It was a good suggestion that fixes a lot of issues with DS (Devil's Square)." His response was something rude like, "i know a bad suggestion when i see it and that suggestion was bad." I argued that the suggestion forum should be a place of debate (which never truly happened while I was there; no thread ever made it to the debate stage before being hastily rejected or approved). Megumi's response, to the biggest (and most competitively viable) guild there? Leader of 21 different members? This server's only real asset? Something like "i'm not making you play here ." W-WHAT?! SERIOUSLY? Who says s*** like that? What the hell kind of admin thinks he can get away with that? At this point I was livid. I pointed out that that's probably not the best thing to say to the largest guild's leader, and that the server will likely die were we to leave (as the population was already stagnant and small). I reloaded the forum page to check the shoutbox. Got this:

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/Itazuki/forumbanLOL_zpsf42ef3ce.png)

At this point I was cracking up. Unreasonably forum banning the largest guild's leader was the first step to this server's self-destruction. Reason code: "Stupid". It's good to know that Megumi can really take criticism on his management style like an adult. (Note: If you want to see the actual logs of the shoutbox chat, I had a guild member take screenshots of it. I can upload them in the future, if requested. I just don't have them on my computer, yet.)

A couple days later, I log on in the afternoon. I'm in Prontera, and 8 of my guildmates were online and in a line. I sit in front of them and start idle chatter and all that guildmate trolling that we do to each other out of affection for each other. Nothing unwanted here. I notice another player is getting banned. He is pleading in Prontera to unban an account. He starts insulting me and I lightly insult him back. Nothing really out of the ordinary, just a normal trollish "ur ugly aehuiaheiae" or something. I don't even know what this guy looks like. He disconnects. He logs onto another alternate character exclaiming "what was that for?", and that character disappears as well. This continues for awhile. We'd had problems before. In fact, I hated this guy. He sucks, and he makes playing on the same server a much lower quality. But I never really cared about anything enough to report him. It couldn't have been bad enough for an IP permaban, could it? So he disappears. He stops logging into all of his characters. This was something I noticed without really bringing up in the chatter to my guild. So we just continued talking. Nothing out of the ordinary. The topic was penis, as it usually is in Prontera on any server ever. Megumi broadcasts "last warning". My guild had no idea what he was talking about. He never told any of us we were breaking any rule in town, and never distinguished who he was talking to. This was the response and result.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/Itazuki/screenLiberationRO072_zpscb137dcc.jpg)

The "last warning" broadcast is one or two lines above the chat box. I had only said those two lines before getting banned. Nothing else. ummwat? Today, I still have no clue what I got banned for when I was just joking around with nothing offensive or really disrespectful, especially between "last warning" and the ban. Even if I made minor offenses before, nothing justifies banning someone for doing nothing against the rules after saying "last warning".

I wasn't online, obviously, to see what everyone was saying. Everything from this point on was learned second-hand. About three of my guild members retaliated. They knew this was the end of the server, and there was no point in playing on LiberationRO without a guild leader or competition. Two of them started quietly dropping their valuable equipment. I had one of them log onto my Paladin to drop my Combat Knife in town. Wasn't doing me any good. IP banned. The other member (Hiro), who had NEVER said anything EVER, publicly started dropping his valuable DD High Wizard items. Banned. 85% of our members quit after hearing about this, or witnessing it. A few other witnesses quit as well, and asked where we were going to move to since they didn't want to play there anymore, either.

Now, I brought up that some admins allow themselves to see private chat channels. This would be the ONLY reasonable explanation as to why I was banned. In guild chat (WHICH SHOULD REMAIN PRIVATE AND NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS TY), I was discussing with my guild about what server to move to, because I was really unhappy with Megumi's performance, the population size, and the lack of competition. I have heavily criticizing these things in the guild channel, as the rest of us were. We were talking about new homes and telling each other about other midrates, and moving there while only WoEing on Liberation and nothing else. If Megumi read any of it, of course he has a right to be angry. But no right to take action for what's said privately, without being reported by an uncomfortable recipient (as there weren't any).

I don't know who Megumi thinks he is, but this isn't how you manage a server. bestadmin2k13. 1/10.

Availability: Megumi was on somewhat often later at night. He was often AFK, though, but he would check the shoutbox every couple of hours if you needed support. As an American, he wasn't online too often when I really needed his support. I already mentioned everything else about availability in the friendliness section, to justify the review revolving around Megumi. 5/10 here because their activity wasn't awful but it wasn't good either for the western world.
                                 
Helpfulness: I'll address my experiences with Megumi (as he's the only one I can really review, as described earlier) chronologically. The custom headgear quests. Normally, I'd be patient about this if they were real quests with separate NPCs and small story-lines. Unfortunately, Megumi has no excuse for this. The NPC used for custom quests was a crappily made all-in-one NPC. It's also worth mentioning that a large portion of these hats have ridiculous requirements, and/or weren't researched properly. Autumn Leaves took 50 Feather of Angel. Yes. Feather of Angel. The god-item material. Why leaves require feathers, don't ask me, but that's some brilliant planning. When really trying to push Megumi to release quests and contribute ideas for popular hats that were in high demand, he blew me off. With an NPC constructed so simply, it's so easy to make a quest it's not even funny. Only one of these popular hats was implemented, Well-Chewed Pencil, for the initial insane requirement of 75 Gold Coins, as I mentioned earlier. Additional Battlegrounds 2.0 matches were never implemented. Decisions were hastily made regarding implementation of the Graveyard system. After applying for the guild package (and other guilds had received their pack somewhat promptly), I eventually got a bit bored of waiting. I believe it was a week and a half before the ban that I applied for the guild package. We never received it. He often did not reply to any of my PMs. I noticed he ignored people frequently in the shoutbox on the forums. My other guild members had the same problems. There was an instance I witnessed in the shoutbox where one of the assistants was addressing a player who misunderstood the reason why @mi marc states that the card drops a .01%. It's because there are two Marcs. The normal one, who dropped the card at .5%, and the quest one, who does not get modified by rates unless configured to. The assistant thought the drop rate was .01% too. Helpers of any kind need to have more intuitive and problem solving abilities, along with general Ragnarok knowledge, in order to correctly do their job. This is just a brief example. 2/10, and only because Megumi responded to my PMs for the first week (although without doing anything in a timely manner).

Game-Play Ratings

Economy: Absolutely no economy. Only once did I ever find someone making a reasonable trade deal. It was the only trade I ever made, within one month. There are about 15 venders online at all times, all of which host rubbish items that nobody wants. The only things in demand were Special Event Tickets and Gold Coins, because nobody wanted to do all those stupid events. 2/10, rightfully.

Guild Competition: Now that my guild is gone? None. All that's left is a single pinoy guild that is 50% Assassin Crosses, 50% Champions. WoE never even started on this server. Don't bother, you'll find more competition on RMS' test server. 1/10.

Class Balance: Mostly Champions. Readily available and large amounts of potions were obtainable from the Battlegrounds for use in the PVP arena. You only had to do a few rounds of BG to get enough supplies to make this server's PVP scene ChampRO. Snipers and Champions were really all I ever saw here, outside of my guild (as I REQUIRED high class diversity). 2/10.

TOTAL RATING: 25/100!!

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There you go. My review of LiberationRO. Oh, and thanks for reporting my review, Megumi. Now that I really gave myself the chance to sit down and write down all of the displeasure I had playing this server, I can really justify all the low ratings. In fact, this review has lower total ratings than the initial brief review.

Biggest disappointment of a server in my 9 years of Ragnarok. AND I PLAYED EUPHRO 1.0 TIL ITS MELTDOWN. ):

-Reality
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: RoseTea on Feb 13, 2013, 05:27 PM
Autumn Leaves took 50 Feather of Angel. Yes. Feather of Angel. The god-item material. Why leaves require feathers, don't ask me, but that's some brilliant planning.
Holy lol.

Phenomenal work, very well written.  You covered almost every angle I could think of along with a personal story of terrible administration.  Hopefully your group finds a better server soon.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 13, 2013, 05:40 PM
Holy lol.

Phenomenal work, very well written.  You covered almost every angle I could think of along with a personal story of terrible administration.  Hopefully your group finds a better server soon.


Thank you. I didn't realize how long this review was until I posted it... Suddenly, 2000 characters seems like a lot less than it did before.

I'm currently working on developing a new midrate. There are really no good options for us, and there is a huge empty void in the midrate market. So, I think it's worth a try to fix that. This time, unlike my last midrate I managed, I think I might abandon having a staff character (whether it has commands or not). It just causes too much damned trouble if I really want to play the server I've worked so hard to build. ): Unfortunately, all of this turmoil has left my guild in a state of limbo, as we have nothing to do for the next month before the new server releases. If we join another server, we'll have to just quit a month later. But waiting for the new server means we do nothing in the meantime. We're still trying to figure something out for now...

And the best part about the Feather of Angel thing was that WoE hasn't even started. So the quest was literally impossible.

Also, I just double checked. According to the forums, I'm misled about the Feather of Angel requirement. It's actually 400 of them.

 /swt

-Reality

P.S. I made the mistake of not addressing this in my review - I think it's worth mentioning that this server is now suffering. I checked the population last night through the control panel. It was a total of 35. So I perused the contents of the "Who's Online" function. There were 15 venders connected. Down to 20. Five were alternative slave characters to the same guy. Now 15. More were characters that I recognized as alts, or staff. This brought the population down to a realistic 10 unique players. Yikes.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Tom~ on Feb 13, 2013, 05:46 PM
Wow, I'm glad that I didn't download this server while I was looking for a server to play on. If there's ONE thing that really bothers me, is a bad GM. It bothers me even more if it's the admin himself that's bad.

I'll definitly check your server out once it launches, because, as you said, there aren't many MRs worth trying.

Very good review. Good luck to you and your guildmates.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 13, 2013, 05:48 PM
Wow, I'm glad that I didn't download this server while I was looking for a server to play on. If there's ONE thing that really bothers me, is a bad GM. It bothers me even more if it's the admin himself that's bad.

I'll definitly check your server out once it launches, because, as you said, there aren't many MRs worth trying.

Very good review. Good luck to you and your guildmates.

Oops, I didn't mean to bring it up for advertisement, since that's against the rules! That's why I left the server's name anonymous.

 /heh

Thanks. I hope that we as a guild can stick together through this.

-Reality
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Saiku on Feb 13, 2013, 06:00 PM
For a fact, they use a crap gameguard which basically block NOTHING. (Not gonna lie, some people use NDL ROmedic, AHK and none of them got ban. Just sayin')
They have 2 different control panel. (What? the?) head over: http://liberationro.com/flux/ (http://liberationro.com/flux/) and http://liberationro.com/cp/ (http://liberationro.com/cp/)
You might wonder what kind of gameguard is it. It's this: http://www.jiidesignstudio.com/download-free-stuff/viewdownload/10-game-guard/2-roclient-sheild.html (http://www.jiidesignstudio.com/download-free-stuff/viewdownload/10-game-guard/2-roclient-sheild.html)
^ I'm telling the truth, in fact, Megumi said the day after the server open, s/he admits that she put the wrong GRF. (She put basically a nodelay for sniper.) Resulting that most of the first 20 players that hit max lvl is snipers. (hu hu hu, they got 20 Safe Refine Ticket per person, which megumi tried to put them in donation shop (I don't remember how much is it) after the opening event). It leads to a surprisingly good argument, yet resulting one of our guildies got perma ban, and they removed it from the shop.

Anyway.
http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?topic=115.msg544#new (http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?topic=115.msg544#new)

You said warning? Oh. I remember, was it that @kamib "Last Warning"? we all asked, what's about the warning. Nope. No answer. (Explaination is on the OP post btw)

Quoted exactly from the topic above
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3. Only use English on #main. [Penalty Mute/Jail]
I'm sorry, do you have a screenshot of us talking in another language on #main? If you do, please provide it.

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6. Do NOT use obscene names. You are responsible for the meaning of the names you choose. [Penalty Jail/Ban]
Same goes here. I don't see anyone using a bad name. (Except MySQL, for using almost same guild name. Original name: no u. He made a guild: no me)

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You can say we are "Carebears" but we are just implementing our rules.
Implementing? I thought you IMPLEMENTED these rules ages ago. You mean, "enforcing" them.

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25. Do not use any obscene language on #main or use any racist remarks. [Warning/Mute/Penalty Jail/Ban]
Sorry. The others started it. None of our guild mates using racist stuff. (I kinda think that you make public chat and #main is the same thing. fyi, it's different)

+1 to whatever reality posted. All of those is true anyway.

Need to add something into this review.

 -Guild Package
   -There was 2 guild applying for gpack, the other one got deleted because yet, we got banned. Shouldn't they just leave them there? lol
   - http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?board=20.0 (http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?board=20.0)
   -It's almost a week, no reply from the GM. Hi megumi. You know you should review those gpacks by now. Oh wait, nvm you deleted ours lol.
 -Newbie Package.
   -It was introduced on the last forum, before it messed up. Megumi claimed to be a fatal error.
   -Manually approved, which making it harder to get. (lol yes, there was about 15 topics, the OP didn't get their freebies and such)

^Sorry for a little rant.

Vote 4 Points system.

It's a total disaster. Why? Take a look at this: http://liberationro.com/vote/user/vote.php?id=1. (http://liberationro.com/vote/user/vote.php?id=1.) Lmao, You see on the bottom right, it says "PsycheRO". Yep, even tho they released this kind of v4p, the admin should take a look at those stuff before implement them.

Btw, I think this happened almost 48 hours ago? Before the banning happen, they have about 50 players on. Let's take a look right now.
http://liberationro.com/cp// (http://liberationro.com/cp/)
(oops, sorry megumi, it's at 13) Basically since the largest guild banned, they literally full of vendors anyway.

Why is it a disaster v2: The item you get from voting is not tradeable, and it's OP as hell. (Hi LBH Def, LBH ATK)

(I forgot this: The admin him/herself doesn't know when to use capitalization) Check forum url for more info)
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Mira on Feb 13, 2013, 06:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/v6ZpvSD.jpg)

I think that should, in itself, say how badly done the server was despite having a Beta Phase.

And like Saiku said, he messed up with the client and added an animation delay for Sniper, similar to nodelay.

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8. Do NOT spam chats or skills in towns. It's annoying to everyone. [Penalty Mute/Jail]
Erm. We were all sitting in town, chatting. Chatting, not spamming. Chatting. Unless it's suddenly against to rules to talk with fellow players, we haven't broken this rule.

All my other qualms have already been dealt with in the original post + saiku's post.

Best of luck to LiberationRO and their 2-3 players! ^_^
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 13, 2013, 06:32 PM
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6. Do NOT use obscene names. You are responsible for the meaning of the names you choose. [Penalty Jail/Ban]

I think this was mentioned in regards to "HUMPY THE BR QUEEN". His name was changed to "Humpy". ...Honestly, I thought "Humpy" was more offensive than "THE BR QUEEN". For all you may know, he might be actually Brazilian.

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/Itazuki/screenLiberationRO007_zps02dd1b11.jpg)

Apparently, directly attacking or impersonating a single player is funny, but HUMPY THE BR QUEEN isn't.

 /hmm

Thanks for reminding me about the reused content. I'm sure one of us has a screen shot to prove it, but the first time anybody got a voting headgear, the broadcast said something identical to, "_______ has received a Gentleman's Pipe for voting! Thank you for supporting CombatRO!" The development procedure on this server has been anything but thorough and diligent.

-Reality
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Saiku on Feb 13, 2013, 06:32 PM
Also, lol at this: http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=serverstat&serid=15739&itv=6&url_sname=Liberation%20Ragnarok%20Online&page_num=1 (http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=serverstat&serid=15739&itv=6&url_sname=Liberation%20Ragnarok%20Online&page_num=1)

that copy and paste imo. I suppose you're not supposed to do that? lmao

About that Reality Is Gay character, as you can see that was Megumi. Since s/he is the only one who's on and the Helper is afk. (We know who made it anyway)
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Peace on Feb 13, 2013, 06:39 PM
I made that account "Reaity is gay" hahaha. LOL at Reality so guys what server we gonna go to next -MySQL.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: MaliMark on Feb 13, 2013, 08:41 PM
I can't wait to see Megumi's reply <3 if he even has the guts to do it. He might as well shut down the server now and save time, hah!
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Megumi on Feb 13, 2013, 10:07 PM
Its really sad how these people abuse RMS , They can troll any servers they want cause they have the numbers [10-30 members] . They Start to Suggest anything they want for their personal interest . if you disappoint them cause you reject their suggestion cause your  following the official server pattern . They will rage and start to troll you until it will end in ban fest. Then Since they have the numbers they can do 10-20 Bad Reviews , as well as reviews at forum . They can make people believed since they are association.

Hope YC is aware of this , or else people will continue doing this in the future.

Anyway im shutting down my server for good , happy now ?

Remember this God knows who's the one telling the truth.







Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Triper on Feb 13, 2013, 10:32 PM
If they're trolling/saying bad stuff/posting false evidence, then post the truth which you should have since you're claiming that they're saying lies.

They have pics supporting their claims while you not[at this present moment], just that. It's a battle of words+pics vs words and they're "winning" that by showing evidence about what they claim.

On a side-note: Some of the pics posted by them makes me[and anyone reading this] think that there is stolen content from other servers being used on this one which is kinda sad if used without authorization or asking[actually, one of them may not be but not going more into that unless needed to].
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Fruit Pie~ on Feb 13, 2013, 10:44 PM
Extreme GM overreactions to reviews ALWAYS lead to some fantastic drama. Popcorn, anyone?
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Megumi on Feb 13, 2013, 11:02 PM
@Triper

I was Playing WoonRO before , It just happened i made a mistake [mixed sprite] when i created the Lite Client . I don't intend to copy Gold coins beside WoonRo are using all Official Sprites , No Customs.

Anyway i already decided  to shutdown my server for good.
It's pointless to argue , People wont believed on me anyway.
I'm alone they are many .

I accept its my fault for implementing our Server Rules.

:)






Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Saiku on Feb 13, 2013, 11:13 PM
Its really sad how these people abuse RMS , They can troll any servers they want cause they have the numbers [10-30 members] . They Start to Suggest anything they want for their personal interest . if you disappoint them cause you reject their suggestion cause your  following the official server pattern .

lol at this. It is for the server own good. Those suggestions actually are the best compare that you implemented right now. I'm just saying.
Also, it doesn't really matter. Some of them tell the truth about the server.

Also when Face talked about Safe Refine Ticket being sold in donation shop, you banned him for what? Harassment? He was questioning about that. Since then, we started to think that you're a terrible admin. We gave you second chance and not leave. Fact? We were wrong. You are still terrible. They can troll any servers? You're joking right?

Side off topic: What's with you and your random capitalization letter? It makes you look bad too by the way.

@megumi, are you saying that you're using part of woon's grf? lol.

Pointless to argue? Or you don't have any [proof]?

@last part, implementing or enforcing? I thought you implemented your server rules ages ago.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 13, 2013, 11:46 PM
Its really sad how these people abuse RMS , They can troll any servers they want cause they have the numbers [10-30 members] . They Start to Suggest anything they want for their personal interest . if you disappoint them cause you reject their suggestion cause your  following the official server pattern . They will rage and start to troll you until it will end in ban fest. Then Since they have the numbers they can do 10-20 Bad Reviews , as well as reviews at forum . They can make people believed since they are association.

Hope YC is aware of this , or else people will continue doing this in the future.

Anyway im shutting down my server for good , happy now ?

What are you talking about? I made two suggestions. One was half-accepted, and the other was lost in the forum move. I never pushed for it to pass. If I had a real agenda, I would have given you a lot more hell than I did.

What we are doing here is using Ratemyserver to its fullest potential. This is the beauty of this site. Once the server stopped growing, we realized there was a huge need for development and correcting of a lot of the issues (as stated extensively in the review). Unfortunately, you nor your staff addressed or resolved these problems. That's when everybody with half a brain realized this was a failing server. Of course we're going to try and get things done. If staff won't do it themselves, the players need to nudge them. It seems as though you haven't had much experience in management previously due to the way you handled any of this.

That's where the reviews come in. Reviews are based on a player's experience on the server. These are my experiences on the server. It is a fair review, and you need to stop playing as the victim and actually start doing something about it.

You needed help, and I realized that within the first few days, and I tried with my previous experience as staff, but you weren't willing to open up and listen.

You think this is all about QQing. You're wrong. It's about your inefficient use of power and time on your server. Actions (or lack of actions, in this case) cause reactions. As a result, don't convince yourself that you didn't have anything to do with this failure.

I couldn't care less about what your God thinks of me. You are far too righteous for your own good, and it showed in your management styles.

This is a game. You need to learn to have fun with it.

If anything, I insist that I am actually the good guy, here. I tried to defend the players, at first, and I tried to make things habitable for them. I wanted more out of this server in order to compete with other midrates, but you never took advice or had the initiative. When you treat a player like a joke, they start to treat both you and your server like a joke, as well.

@Triper

I was Playing WoonRO before , It just happened i made a mistake [mixed sprite] when i created the Lite Client . I don't intend to copy Gold coins beside WoonRo are using all Official Sprites , No Customs.

Anyway i already decided  to shutdown my server for good.
It's pointless to argue , People wont believed on me anyway.
I'm alone they are many .

I accept its my fault for implementing our Server Rules.

:)

The WoonRO Gold Coin thing was an example of duplicated content from other sources and true incapability of proper and thorough testing. Revising the itemdesctable.txt is a very elementary step in pre-release development, especially for pre-renewal servers. This server was not developed well, at all, and the blame lies only on yourself and your staff for this, with capitalization on the point made previously, considering you did, in fact, have a beta testing period. And there were so many custom sprites on this client, it's not even funny.

The issue wasn't ever about breaking any rules. The issue was that this server is and was inhabitable, and your enforcement methods were irrational. Of course players will get tense. Saiku mentioned the issue with Face getting banned, and that was the first indication of "gm injust0s" and your difficulty with managing players.

In order to provide better context, according to Face, this was what occurred in main right before the perma-ban was issued...

(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/Itazuki/here_zpseaf5549f.jpg)

You don't know how to distinguish and interpret what is constructive, playful, or impatient, and in contrast what is intentionally malicious (and to the extent of deserving punishment). The only instance where action should be taken is if people are being truly malicious in a way deserving of a ban. Unfortunately, you seem to always react excessively defensively. If you think a well-timed "nigga, dats kawaii <3' in main is racist, or the word f***" is extensively vulgar in today's society, please, get off your high horse and loosen up. Nobody really cares that much (as reflected by the fact that there were never any real player reports filed against any of us), and you shouldn't either. Lighthearted trolling is often what makes online games worth playing. CarebearRO in today's gaming environment is a recipe for failure.

You put yourself in the spotlight when you can't handle the heat. That's all there is to it, and that is why this server has failed.

Again, you're not in any, way, shape, or form a victim. You did this to yourself (and your server and its players). Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

-Reality

P.S. Uhh... So I noticed you haven't posted a closure thread on LiberationRO forums yet. Hmm...
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Fruit Pie~ on Feb 13, 2013, 11:46 PM
@Triper

I was Playing WoonRO before , It just happened i made a mistake [mixed sprite] when i created the Lite Client . I don't intend to copy Gold coins beside WoonRo are using all Official Sprites , No Customs.

Anyway i already decided  to shutdown my server for good.
It's pointless to argue , People wont believed on me anyway.
I'm alone they are many .

I accept its my fault for implementing our Server Rules.
I dunno why you'd think we have anything against hearing your side of the story. Hell, I want to hear it because those screenshots show you making a fool of yourself and surely no GMs can be like that in RO in anno domini 2013, not after the storied history of player posts here in RMS.

You have to understand that God has a notoriously shaky internet connection, so he can't post here to tell us the truth.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Daletos on Feb 14, 2013, 12:23 AM
Honestly, I have really no place in this server's affairs or what really happened. But I will weigh in on a few things. I have played with this crowd before on a few servers, so I generally know/remember them and how they act etc. And I can say that I am no different than them. I like to fool around and have fun with friends in RO as it is a SOCIAL game as well. But lately there seems to be a rise of these "CareBear" type servers which baffle me at most. This is the internet, let alone an MMO so what do these GMs expect? All I keep seeing is GMs policing their servers non-stop about stupid things like "BANNED FOR CAUSING DRAMA" and etc. Again I don't see why GMs need to involve themselves in every aspect of players. Conflict is always going to arise among players and its natural so let it be by letting players deal it with themselves, or intervene if  necessary in cases in which the RULES are broken and it gets out of hand.

Now regarding this server, you (Megumi) have posted no evidence at all and keep claiming they have broken rules with no proof. And from the screenshots they posted, I looked at the chat. To me all I see is a group of friends chatting and enjoying themselves. I myself have conversations like that in RO and that's what makes the social part of RO enjoyable to me. As long as people are just messing around and having a good time together, I don't see why they should be punished for things like that. If no one is being offended or bothered (simply ask them if it is), then who cares? This is a game. Is it not entertainment? And if its all in good fun that should be the purpose. Of course no one likes actual drama (I think), but all these new servers lately seem to be forgetting this. Yes in response to that there are RULES and yes people should follow them. But in this case from what you posted on yours forums for the reasons they were banned, I barely see any connection to them. Or even a warning, let alone asking them to stop whatever they are doing.

I did play the server very briefly for like two days or so and checked the rules page. And this is what they were banned for taken from the Liberation RO forums:

1. Respect your fellow player. [Penalty Mute/Jail/Ban] 
2. Respect and obey the Gm Staff . [Penalty Mute/Jail/Ban]
3. Only use English on #main. [Penalty Mute/Jail]
6. Do NOT use obscene names. You are responsible for the meaning of the names you choose. [Penalty Jail/Ban]
8. Do NOT spam chats or skills in towns. It's annoying to everyone. [Penalty Mute/Jail]
24. Do Not harass or start arguments that can cause drama to any of the Staffs and Admins.
we have a forum discuss it in an orderly manner. [Penalty Jail/Ban]
25. Do not use any obscene language on #main or use any racist remarks. [Warning/Mute/Penalty Jail/Ban]

From this list again, these are thing I put into the "drama category" which is something that is not fixed. You can't be like "oh this person botted, this is wrong so they are banned" with regards to things like this. As Reality said in previous post you have to look at it as playful, joking, actually serious, malicious etc. and decide appropriately and logically which it is. The internet lacks emotion, sometimes we get lost in translation. Sometimes people are sarcastic, and it goes right over my head and so on. And Megumi also did not seem to allow them to repeal on the forums since he banned them as mentioned in #24 and didn't seem to ask them to stop or enforce the rules. YOU as a GM need to remember you are human. We all make mistakes, we all are imperfect. Just because you are the administrator, server owner, server dictator whatever, you need to realize that your opinion is not always the right one and be fair and unbiased when examining facts and data. I don't know why its so hard to find GMs with these abilities and capacities to admit sometimes they are wrong instead of riding power trips. Its nice its your server, and yes you can do what you want, but don't expect players to put up with it. You need us, we don't need you. There are tons of servers out there. And in response, shouldn't you consider your player base? If they have suggestions and ideas you should listen to them and respect them just as they are opted to do for you. They wrote a review and gave you criticism (and its not too far off from what I experienced) so have the respect and dignity to take it and improve instead of throwing a tantrum like all the other GM's claiming they can take criticism when they simply cannot.

And if you want the answer. They are playful. These guys are just messing around and having fun as I stated earlier. And I can say from my own experience with them is simply that they are here to play the game and enjoy themselves. RO (or rather private servers) are built on their communities and the interactions that take place. To me that is what makes a server. Like I said as long as everyone is having a good time, is that not the point of why we play games? Additionally, by doing things like this you only dig your own grave as a GM. You lose players, damage your community, and cause chain reactions etc. Sometime as a GM you need to know when to put your foot down and stomp it hard against the ground to take a stance. There is nothing wrong with that and shows dedication and passion from an administration point, but in this case it just makes you look like a bias bigot who didn't even consider his actions or how it would impact the server or the people involved.

/rant on inexperienced GMs, criticism, terrible rule enforcement/bigotry

As the admin of the server Megumi, you need to step up and take responsibility for your actions. If you can't handle dealing with these types of situations or do not have staff that are capable of it, then simply do not launch a server or get a staff that can. Players only come to RMS with regards to GM/admins when either they did something wrong, or the server's management did itself. And lately all these GMs have been getting away with it, nice to see players fighting back for once. Power to the players <3


Inb4 accused of being a part of Reality's guild and paid to do this. And I was very bored, on uni break and needed something to do. I always get carried away with writing too much >.> (bad habit).

Anyways TLDR; GM needs to take responsibility, tips in here for all admins, enforce rules and be understanding to players.

Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Cawliflower on Feb 14, 2013, 12:35 AM
Megumi: I had players tear my server apart for my corruption back when it was started. We had barely 30 players online. I persevered, and stuck with it. We have attained, in our longevity, 400-500~ (including auto-traders). Why close it immediately? You obviously need to re-evaluate your goals and vision for the server, hire GMs to enforce rules, stay a tad bit more behind the scenes, let players talk about big penises in town, and stop playing God. Take it from someone who has been one of the worst Administrators in the RO scene but able to make successful servers with my terrible reputation following me. :)

Now on to why I posted here, Reality's group played my server. They're trolls, and we always left them alone to say what they wanted. In fact, I even participated in some of the banter at times (not in public world channels). They were a great group of players - at least, I had no issues with them. In fact, some of their guildies were/are GMs. Anyway, I really know that they meant no harm and you lost yourself a group of players... rather silly if you ask me. I really don't see why you banned them AT ALL. This game is almost 2,000 years old... it's not fun enough to be straight-edge, and super police GM with the rules.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Daletos on Feb 14, 2013, 12:46 AM
Megumi: I had players tear my server apart for my corruption back when it was started. We had barely 30 players online. I persevered, and stuck with it. We have attained, in our longevity, 400-500~ (including auto-traders). Why close it immediately? You obviously need to re-evaluate your goals and vision for the server, hire GMs to enforce rules, stay a tad bit more behind the scenes, let players talk about big penises in town, and stop playing God. Take it from someone who has been one of the worst Administrators in the RO scene but able to make successful servers with my terrible reputation following me. :)

Now on to why I posted here, Reality's group played my server. They're trolls, and we always left them alone to say what they wanted. In fact, I even participated in some of the banter at times (not in public world channels). They were a great group of players - at least, I had no issues with them. In fact, some of their guildies were/are GMs. Anyway, I really know that they meant no harm and you lost yourself a group of players... rather silly if you ask me. I really don't see why you banned them AT ALL. This game is almost 2,000 years old... it's not fun enough to be straight-edge, and super police GM with the rules.

I should hire you whenever I want to speak on this forum. Does it better than me and isn't 43743674376436 words long. And again one of the few times you actually contribute something useful and constructive to the topic. Thank you, its not so hard is it :P? And exactly as the Broccolihead said, this isn't the end. You didn't do anything wrong or break your server. You can fix it and patch it up to keep going, but take into account what was said in this topic. I realize I was a bit harsh in my post (if anyone even read it LOL), so I apologize. But if you wish to continue, you still can. Whats is important is to learn from your mistakes and to keep improving. Cookie probably is the greatest example of that, I don't think you can go any lower (on the RMS drama scale). But from what I heard hes making an effort and doing a great job so far and is only getting better. So if you keep that and mind, you too can move forward so just remember to always be prepared.

Dis be for everyone regarding my posts~
[edit: Triper said hi~ to you and to the not needed pic]

I'm learning too now Cookie, SEE I CAN DO IT TOO!
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Cawliflower on Feb 14, 2013, 12:53 AM
I should hire you whenever I want to speak on this forum. Does it better than me and isn't 43743674376436 words long. And again one of the few times you actually contribute something useful and constructive to the topic. Thank you, its not so hard is it :P? And exactly as the Broccolihead said, this isn't the end. You didn't do anything wrong or break your server. You can fix it and patch it up to keep going, but take into account what was said in this topic. I realize I was a bit harsh in my post (if anyone even read it LOL), so I apologize. But if you wish to continue, you still can. Whats is important is to learn from your mistakes and to keep improving. Cookie probably is the greatest example of that, I don't think you can go any lower (on the RMS drama scale). But from what I heard hes making an effort and doing a great job so far and is only getting better. So if you keep that and mind, you too can move forward so just remember to always be prepared.
I wear my RMS Hall of Shame tag proudly. /kis

RMS HoS is like Alcoholic's Anonymous for Corrupt Admins.

"I'm a corrupt admin. I haven't been corrupt in 6 (or so) months and counting."

Off-topic: Triper & yC you guys need to make weekly meetings for us former corrupt admins to gather and speak about our accomplishments.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 14, 2013, 01:03 AM
You need us, we don't need you.

This is exactly what Megumi took for granted toward the end of my stay at LiberationRO.

Thank you for your contribution. I did want to point out that particular statement, though, for its relevancy.

Off-topic: Triper & yC you guys need to make weekly meetings for us former corrupt admins to gather and speak about our accomplishments.

If this was made public, and providing some sort of evidence or endorsement, I may have actually reconsidered DivinityRO.

-Reality
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Cawliflower on Feb 14, 2013, 01:21 AM
This is exactly what Megumi took for granted toward the end of my stay at LiberationRO.

Thank you for your contribution. I did want to point out that particular statement, though, for its relevancy.

If this was made public, and providing some sort of evidence or endorsement, I may have actually reconsidered DivinityRO.

-Reality
Done. (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/suggestionsrequests/alcoholic%27s-anonymous-based-hall-of-shame-meetings/)
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Megumi on Feb 14, 2013, 03:33 AM
@Daletos
@Cawliflower

Thank You Guys !!! I learn a lot from you ....

To all the players that was involved ...
Sorry if i was so strict , I just want to have a good community .

Anyway i need some break !

More Power and God Bless !


Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Cawliflower on Feb 14, 2013, 04:35 AM
Anyway i need some break !
That isn't fair to your community, and honestly you shouldn't have opened the server, and in three weeks "need some break." I would suggest re-considering, and using this thread as a starting point to becoming a better Administrator. There's a plethora of people, including myself, that could give you advice on what to change, and not to do. After all, this community is capable of discussing positive topics... sometimes. Ideally, we should support each other.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Triper on Feb 14, 2013, 05:02 AM
@answers to my "question(s)": Thx, that actually make sense now.

@regarding this, lRO, Megumi, etc:
Megumi, you're stressing more then it should be. RO pservers are to be enjoyed, not to stress people like many people said. Just organize everything better and all should be fine.

If you see that it's a lot of work into your shoulders, talk with some of the GMs and delegate some minor tasks. Heck, you can even ask and see if they want to help with some minor adds to the server that players suggested, some things are easy to do and I'm sure that a GM or two more experienced on this can do it.

If you see that there is a lot of stuff suggested and some aren't really of your "taste", ask to the community if they really want and explain your points. Make polls in game through a npc or at forum to see if everybody really even wants that.
Being a suggestion doesn't mean that it must be added right away or just because someone said it.

If there is a lot of stuff being wanted, make a topic where nobody can post with the suggestions approved and what not, the ones being discussed and the ones being worked and their priorities in terms of being added to the server so that people, at least, know that there is some work on going.

As long as you work on the server, it will be fine, you don't need to add stuff today for suggestions of tomorrow. Players today prefer a long term server then a one day trial server. Conquer your players and they will spread the love around.

Just because someone does stuff at 120KM/H doesn't mean that you've to follow that too, if you still can do the same things at 40KM/H it's fine as long as they're done. Sometimes they even end being better!!

Totally not related - PoneyVilleRO > CareBearsRO nowadays unless you use the old 2D version, that was cool!!
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Scafe on Feb 14, 2013, 06:08 AM
I love how GM banned me for nothing and after i asked him for what ban, he just replied "Go away" and after 5 second forum, account, IP ban. Tbh you could made really good mid-rate if you were just listening people what they want to see in game or what changes should be done.



@Reality, where you guys playing now?
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Peace on Feb 14, 2013, 07:24 AM
Megumi, also banned me she wants just wants it her way she doesn't listen to suggestions, etc.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Artemsis on Feb 14, 2013, 08:15 AM
Quote
GM SloMo, who was I believe our developer (y'know, the one who couldn't figure out how to allow dual clienting? Yeah! That one!

Oh yesh. I know that dude just too good. He was working for BitRO (but named himself Cupcake), until we fired him for incompetency. By the way, he was also causing lots of drama, so lets see whats coming next.

Very good review in detail. Im sorry for you that your have been wasting your time. Good luck on your new one, hope this wont be a bad luck pick ;)

Regards,
Micha


PS: Be careful! SloMo is a master in editing screenshots and faking forum messages.  Without a doubt Im just waiting for something like "oh, really? I got a screenshot with you saying I suck and all!" Wouldnt be anything new from him.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Peanut on Feb 14, 2013, 09:35 AM
Welcome Back Artemsis,
I never said i'm the Developer.
But i don't care about mad players.
So have a nice day

Regards,

SloMo
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Scafe on Feb 14, 2013, 09:39 AM
Funny part that you can allow "dual clients" just by hexing .exe ... ohh right about this server Anti-cheat shield? No wonder he's free... because he doesn't work. Tooked 1 minute to find way to by pass that thing which also makes lag too.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Mira on Feb 14, 2013, 04:13 PM
I love how GM banned me for nothing and after i asked him for what ban, he just replied "Go away" and after 5 second forum, account, IP ban. Tbh you could made really good mid-rate if you were just listening people what they want to see in game or what changes should be done.



@Reality, where you guys playing now?

As far as I know, we're not playing anywhere as of now. As said in earlier pages, Reality (and myself to an extent) is helping develop a mid-rate for now. We're open to suggestions. feel free to PM me if you want more details, since we're not allowed to advertise (:c)

Ontopic;
Megumi, I do have to give you credit on one thing; no u gained a bunch of members.  /lv

Anyway, good luck in the future and I really do hope this helped you learn some things.

Half off-topic;
I remember suggesting @guildskill and the suggestion got accepted... does @guildskill say that it's an "Unknown Command" if you're not in BG? 'cause if not, last time I checked, it still wasn't implemented. D: excuse me if I'm wrong though.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 14, 2013, 08:31 PM
Welcome Back Artemsis,
I never said i'm the Developer.
But i don't care about mad players.
So have a nice day

Regards,

SloMo

I guess you don't particularly learn from criticism either.

-Reality
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Harmony on Feb 16, 2013, 01:23 PM
Megumi you better not be giving up on the server. Not when there are still people who want to play it. So you made a few mistakes, so what? Everyone does its a part of life you just need to take them and learn from them. Originally I was going to post about the bans on my guildmates but I saw that they handled that well enough.
 Megumi, Liberation has the potential to be a great server but not if you give up on it. I logged on the forum and saw people asking what was going on with the server. you would not get that if there was not at least a few people who enjoyed their time there.
You keep thinking about all the things you did wrong you didn't even look at any of the things you did right. You have a good head on your shoulders Megumi, use it.
Dont get me wrong though I'm still mad about you banning them like that but I did have fun on the server. dont take that chance from the others.
Now to the others reading this. Megumi can be understanding so don't let my guildmates points be your only impression of him though they didn't lie. He is willing to be flexible with the rules when the situation calls for it or when its requested within reasonable ground. Sure he can be stubborn but from what I know most guys are like that at times at least. And he is willing to joke around with players sometimes.
Impressions are usually decided so quickly that a lot of people don't get to know all the sides of someone. They just judge them, a lot of times that's based on the opinion of others as well.
and to my guildmates I love you guys and will see you on raidcall when I'm not swamped with everything.
 /kis Ciao miei amici
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Scafe on Feb 16, 2013, 06:25 PM
Where you playing Harmony?
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Harmony on Feb 17, 2013, 12:24 AM
im between servers for a few days to deal with some things
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Riku on Feb 18, 2013, 02:06 AM
I actually played on this server a little bit too (my characters were named Slash or Sol), and when I joined I believe it was one of Reality's group that helped me out by giving me a few items to start with. That was the only contact I had with them though, I mostly kept to myself unless they asked me to party with them in Devil Square. From what I saw, there were a few people starting a crapload of racist drama from what looked like the WoE times the staff had decided on, which were ridiculous for Americans in school or who had work (it would have been extremely late at night/early in the morning for us). However the ones starting the drama were that other guild with a similar name, but Megumi banned Reality's guild instead. If I'm wrong please correct me (with proof), I'm only speaking from what I saw firsthand.

On a side note, one of the things I found most amusing was how fiercely they enforced their rules of behavior and/or language abuse, despite turning OFF their chat filters.

Lastly Reality when your server is done, shoot me a PM if you would. I've been looking for a decent MR to start playing too.  :)
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Saiku on Feb 19, 2013, 07:28 PM
@Daletos
@Cawliflower

Thank You Guys !!! I learn a lot from you ....

To all the players that was involved ...
Sorry if i was so strict , I just want to have a good community .

Anyway i need some break !

More Power and God Bless !




Is this what you mean by taking a break?

I'm sorry Megumi, but opening a new server with a different GM name won't make any differences.

Next time, if you want to make a new server with different GM name, change the content of your server & forum rules, GRF content before you open another one.

Now maybe all of you wondering. How the **** you know this. Simple.

Let's compare Megumi's new server and LiberationRO's forum rules.

http://imaginaryro.com/forum/index.php?topic=7.0 (http://imaginaryro.com/forum/index.php?topic=7.0)
http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?topic=81.0 (http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?topic=81.0)

Sorry Megumi. That is an exact replica of forum rules. Before you suddenly become smart, I have the screenshot of both forum rules. So don't even try to edit them and claim that you didn't open this server.

Now, let's compare their server rules!

http://imaginaryro.com/forum/index.php?topic=8.0 (http://imaginaryro.com/forum/index.php?topic=8.0)
http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?topic=14.0 (http://liberationro.com/forum/index.php?topic=14.0)

I'm sorry. Am I mistaken with your forum rules? I believe those are the same exact rules.

Okay now let's move on to your GRF content. I'm sorry for publishing this but I think I had to.

ImaginaryRO: http://puu.sh/25jCq (http://puu.sh/25jCq)

LiberationRO: http://puu.sh/25jz1 (http://puu.sh/25jz1)

So like. What now. I'm sure that's the same exact GRF you used for LiberationRO. Oh wait. I remember, you re-use your GRFs. My bad.
(Not to mention half of those grf files is not needed for your server, makes it horrible)

@any admin/mod. This is obviously related to Megumi's defense where he stated that he's taking a "break".

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Daletos on Feb 19, 2013, 09:47 PM
Interesting find Saiku, and I have to agree......

Megumi, you basically had two choices with regards to your server:
1. Continue with Liberation RO as it is and hope to improve it etc. as Cookie said or;
2. Close down, take an extended break and reevaluate whether you want to run a server or not, and decide if you want to reconstruct your server with attention given to the rules and server data from the criticism in this thread.

Instead, you randomly decide to open a new server in like 4 days..... That is not really taking a break, let alone as Saiku pointed it out it seems you also didn't really change anything or come to any conclusions. I don't see why you would do this when it only makes you look more immature and unqualified to be a GM by not accepting criticism and trying to hide/erase it by not taking responsibility. If you wanted to continue at being a GM, then you should have kept Liberation open and stuck through it as all admins do instead of running away cowardly due to your reputation. And quite honestly this wasn't that bad of an issue as say corruption or anything severe, and could have been worked out and taken to consideration, at least I thought. But by doing this stunt, I now have to completely agree with all the ex-players of Liberation RO and their claims as well as you being very discreditable.

Additionally as others have said in this thread, what about the playerbase that was still playing Liberation? You essentially just tossed them to the side and abandoned them. As Mira pointed out there were still people interested in the server and now have to find a new home >.>.

Lastly, I just checked Liberation's CP and it shows people are online. But is that connect to the new server "Imaginary RO" or are there now two servers up? If so then I apologize for the Liberation claim, although this is still distasteful and shady.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Mira on Feb 19, 2013, 10:05 PM
Yep, they're definitely the same. http://liberationro.com/flux/?module=character&action=online (http://liberationro.com/flux/?module=character&action=online) and http://imaginaryro.com/cp/?module=character&action=online (http://imaginaryro.com/cp/?module=character&action=online) both show the same people, same guilds, etc.

Daletos made a good point. You either continue Liberation or start FRESH, which does not mean copy pasting everything, it means re-writing everything, double checking grammar with moderators (honestly, Megumi, you can admit that English is not your forte, but it seems that other people that are part of staff seem to be decent, if not good at it) and just fixing up the server in general.

Additionally as others have said in this thread, what about the playerbase that was still playing Liberation? You essentially just tossed them to the side and abandoned them. As Mira pointed out there were still people interested in the server and now have to find a new home >.>.

I don't think I said that, it was Harmony~ Anyway, I'm pretty sure he told a few people because I can recognize a few names and definitely 1 guild (unless it's a different guild with the same emblem...?) It didn't seem like he made it public though, so this "imaginaryRO" was definitely attempting to erase the past... unsuccessfully, it seems..
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Daletos on Feb 19, 2013, 10:35 PM
I don't think I said that, it was Harmony~ Anyway, I'm pretty sure he told a few people because I can recognize a few names and definitely 1 guild (unless it's a different guild with the same emblem...?) It didn't seem like he made it public though, so this "imaginaryRO" was definitely attempting to erase the past... unsuccessfully, it seems..

Whoops, sorry lol. I was going off of my memory so I thought it was you, and was too lazy to scroll up and check :(. So my mistake Harmony. Anyways this is an interesting turn of events.
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Sucasa123 on Feb 20, 2013, 01:17 AM
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Yep, they're definitely the same.

Yeah, it is obvious that Megium has destroyed LRO. But he/she has nothing to do with ImaginaryRO. It's a fresh start! You know, there are still people that play ImaginaryRO. Some old LRO players, some new players.. This is not helping us gain players. ^^
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: D_oracle on Feb 20, 2013, 01:55 AM
First of i agree with all the criticism  all of you have made to Megumi, but, i think everyone deserves a second chance. Maybe the no u guild didn't want to give that chance but the rest of the community did. We asked for a wipe and a redo in exchange for a more open minded staff which until now has been very attentive to our opinions about the new server.

I agree that the ban of members of the no u guild was a bit too much, but i don't think this is a good enough reason to make a personal vendetta to sabotage the success of ImaginaryRO. Specially , as many of  the no u members have stated, utter dislike and honestly not wanting to have anything to do with Megumi or LRO. Further more,  it was stated that you were all ready contemplating leaving the server before  the ban issue. Also, the comments about the development of a new server by Reality is even more reason to just leave alone the issue with ImaginaryRO and its server development.

I think that this issue should be left alone and that each party  goes their separate ways (we taking care of our server and reality and his friends developing their new server).  Because frankly the whole thread has become more attention seeking than problem solving.

Nephy
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Reality on Feb 20, 2013, 02:34 AM
This new server... I don't even...

I'm in agreement with the above post. I honestly don't really care about whatever Megumi does, now. There's no point in following an admin I have absolutely no faith in, anymore. It's a pity, though, that he has only replicated everything (at this stage) instead of actually learning from this failure of LiberationRO. Hopefully that will change, but I have greater concerns right now than dealing with something that isn't even my problem (like LiberationRO was, a week ago).

-Reality
Title: Re: LiberationRO.
Post by: Harmony on Feb 20, 2013, 07:37 PM
Well im fairly sure everyone has said their piece of mind on the original issue so i guess there isnt rly much else to say other than i wish you the best of luck megumi who knows maybe i can stop in for a visit ^^ i never did finish asking you random questions

Che Dio vi benedica and best wishes