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Offline Cerebus

FrozenRO
« on: Nov 30, 2008, 12:11 pm »
I'm sure a lot of you here have heard of the server "FrozenRO" and how it's one of the few non-transcendant servers out there.  A lot of people had high hopes of this server, but there were a lot of problems since the very begining of the server.  Since then, the server only seemed to get worse, and very little was being done about it.

The Server

At the begining of the server, people who had played FrozenRO and RetRO before the wipe logged into their accounts they had back then, to find 1/1 novices wearing all their equipment.  This was really imbalancing to the new players, since while some novices were running around wearing pupas, raydrics, high refined weapons and what not, they were just starting with knifes and cotton shirts.  The really odd part about this, is that it wasn't the new players that complained the most, it was the old players from FrozenRO because their characters where deleted! In the end, the items that were on the characters were wiped, but the accounts storage remained intact, so people still kept a large amount of their equipment and items, and Scars refunded the old players with 3000 donation points.  So, as an example, I kept all my knights gear from RetRO, got 30 OPPs, 30 OBBs and 10 Ocas, and 2 boxes of +10 Str Food.  It was pretty imbalancing, even to the players who got compensated, and again people told Scars not to refund anyone cause it wasn't fair, but he still did.

The servers forums went chaotic at this point, and they went worse once people realised that, for a non-transcendent classic server (episode 7 or 8 if I remember, one of them) the warper warped you to every dungeon and town.  Thankfully, the mobs that didn't relate to the episode were removed, but the NPCs were in.  This meant that virtually everyone on the server did every single exp quest, and the GMs finally decided to remove it, but it was too late then.  Nearly everyone had an alt in the 80's through quests alone, usually first classes as well who were 8x/4x.  This really eliminated the point of people grinding, and for the people who didn't want to do the quests, a good majority of them ended up leaving the server.

In addition to this, unfair donation items were added.  There were boxes which gave OCAs, Boxes of +10 stat foods (It wouldn't be as bad if people could make food, but..) and there were reseting items. (We had an NPC for a ONE TIME reset below level 80, but anyone who hit 99 could just donate and reset to a more WoE suitable build)  A lot of people expressed their views, but the GMs didn't change it, regardless of everyone pretty much stating that the donations were unfair.

The only thing keeping the community playing was WoE.  But even then, the GMs did something stupid and before it even started players didn't bother.  They decided to have 4 WoE days, 2 of them in a completely different timezone.  The server barely has 40 players on regulary, and there were 4 WoEs.  A lot of people told the GMs to change it to 2 because there weren't enough players for even one. The head GM decided to keep it in the end, completely ignoring the players.

The Community and GMs

The community overall was friendly and nice, but naturally with trolls and idiots.  Sadly, it's displayed otherwise on the servers forums.  A few of the people who post there are trolls who left the server with nothing better to do or forum bots, although there are the nice people who respond to questions that are on the forums from other players.

The GM team is.. quite something.  There are 2 active GMs, GM Neko and GM Fifthy, who are both nice and try their best to answer to any questions or suggestions the players have.  GM Neko does seem to ignore some of the players though, such as with the WoE issue.  he has listened to a player over a debate over the GTB card and removing the quests, but that seems to be it. Apart from that, he is a decent GM, he knows his way around the server and knows enough to get the job done. GM Fifthy is one of those GMs where she takes her job seriously but has a laugh during it.  She is often sitting in prontera, joining in our conversations and just having fun, but when she isn't around she is most likely working on the server.  These two are almost always available, but I don't see much of Neko because he lives in a timezone where when he is on, I'll be asleep ;_;

The Admin of the server, Scars, is actually never around.  He stopped logging in once he had set up everything related to the donations, and people have naturally assumed he only cared about the donations.  He doesn't even bother looking at the forums or even at the frozenRO website, because there are pornographic pop-ups on both of them and have been for a while now, and he doesn't even have any input to what the GMs are deciding to do on the forums.  Everyone knows he is working on his other server, burnRO, but it would be nice if he even bothered with this server instead of leaving it up to the other GMs.

The GMs haven't held any events apart from the race to 99 event, where the first 3 people got donation points.  The old event GM, GM Andy, held one event, but as I wasn't there I can't comment on it, but many people said that their skills were ruined because of it.  He was then removed from the GM team because he was lazy, kept spamming skills in town, kept going into PvP and killing everyone, and was just a nuisence overall.  Probably one of the best decisions by the GMs in my opinion  /ok

Game-Play

The economy is pretty atrocious.  In the vending area, there is a lot of junk that is extremely overpriced due to some players making money of the enchanted peach tree drops. Very few players actually buy these items due to these high prices, and just end up hunting them, so supply and demand is pretty low.  It's pretty easy to make zeny for archer classes as they can go to peach trees by level 50 or so.  Cards are gained mostly through OCAs which donators have used, and they just flood the market.

The guild competition aswell is pretty atrocious.  At first, it looked like a lot of people would WoE, but people began leaving before WoE and then when it came around, Aesthetic (a guild there who had 17 players on during WoE) ended up spliting into two groups to make their own competition.  When we reformed half way through, we got attacked by about 10 people intotal throughout 3 guilds, and even then those 3 fought with each other and barely made it to the emp room.  Aesthetic has kept both castles without much problems, and as each day goes by it's hard to see any more competition coming up.

The balance with the server is also not as good as it could be thanks to the +10 stat foods.  There are wizards with insane cast times and damage and hunters with insane ASPD and Damage, while the other foods don't really benefit the other classes much for it to be imbalancing. 

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I'm not out to bash the server or give it a negative reputation, I am stating my experience as I was there and the events that occured during my time there.  I've noticed in a lot of the threads that you should come with proof to show what you say is true.  My proof is the other players and the forums.  Unless they deleted the posts and threads, what I have said should be there.  The server was good at first, everything seemed okay, but it's just become another RetRO;  The idea was great, it was executed poorly.

If you want to know anything more, just say and I'll explain it in more detail.  Thank you for reading.

For GMs from the server reading this, my username is Mana, just to stop any of this "You played the server once and probably got banned blah blah blah" crap that I've been seeing lately.  I'm not banned from the server or anything, on the contrary, I'm infact quite active.
« Last Edit: Nov 30, 2008, 12:23 pm by Cerebus »

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Offline Scars

Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #1 on: Nov 30, 2008, 09:31 pm »
Thanks for the Review, let me just state some "our side" of the story in a few.

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Scars refunded the old players with 3000 donation points.  So, as an example, I kept all my knights gear from RetRO, got 30 OPPs, 30 OBBs and 10 Ocas, and 2 boxes of +10 Str Food.  It was pretty imbalancing, even to the players who got compensated, and again people told Scars not to refund anyone cause it wasn't fair, but he still did.

The amount of players that remained from Retro and Old Frozen combined is about 6-8 loyal players in total.

3000 Donation points is equalivent to $30.00 not $300 just to clear up incase of misunderstanding.

There were also people who agrees that it is fair to give compensations, and of course old players that stayed complained cause they got wiped, it was argument of two parties decision had to be made, I gave compensations to the party that loses the argument, equalivent to assuming that 6-8 people donated $30 each.


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The warper warped you to every dungeon and town.  Thankfully, the mobs that didn't relate to the episode were removed, but the NPCs were in. 

The NPCs had to remain updated because we tried using old data for the NPCs but there were bugs where it doesn't let people change to certain jobs, furthermore some npcs had actually been moved few times trough the episodes, and for quests such as job changing, it is best to use updated data instead of having people not able to find the NPCs or do the quests because it is different to the quests in the Ragnarok guides today.


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In addition to this, unfair donation items were added.  There were boxes which gave OCAs, Boxes of +10 stat foods (It wouldn't be as bad if people could make food, but..) and there were reseting items. (We had an NPC for a ONE TIME reset below level 80, but anyone who hit 99 could just donate and reset to a more WoE suitable build) 

Food is easily obtainable from PvP shop ladder, it was also announced clearly regarding that, and the PvP shop npc is right in Prontera, so I don't understand why the food is considered not obtainable in game.

"Could just donate" is really an ignorant statement, the reset price was deliberately set to $20 while most items are around $2-$3. Not to mention donation credits is OBTAINABLE trough votings and will be obtainable in events.

You saying "Could just donate" is the same as I am saying "could just vote", you really make it sound like just because donators donated, doesn't necessary means they can keep donating as many times and as much as they want, money doesn't come free to anyone, they work to earn their money.


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The only thing keeping the community playing was WoE.  But even then, the GMs did something stupid and before it even started players didn't bother.  They decided to have 4 WoE days, 2 of them in a completely different timezone.  The server barely has 40 players on regulary, and there were 4 WoEs.  A lot of people told the GMs to change it to 2 because there weren't enough players for even one. The head GM decided to keep it in the end, completely ignoring the players.

WOE is a major factor in any server, especially in low rates.

The WoE is separate into 2 12 hours different timezone, and each castle has its own timezone. The reason we have 4 woe in total is because we strive to be a global friendly server. No one is forcing anyone to WoE 4 times, and you do not have to woe 4 times in order to keep your castle safe, because as mentioned earlier the castles has its own timezone.

Again, there were also players who agreed with the timezones.


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he doesn't even have any input to what the GMs are deciding to do on the forums.  Everyone knows he is working on his other server, burnRO, but it would be nice if he even bothered with this server instead of leaving it up to the other GMs.

Actually I am not too active in Burn RO either, Frozen and Burn is my 2 project currently exposed in the public, but I have many others I am working on. Burn RO was up long before Frozen, I don't get what you trying to say.

I still consult with the GMs and make most of the decisions in Frozen RO.
Yes I admit there are things we can really improve on, such as more events and tournaments, and we will work on that, but a classic server is not something we should implement updates on.


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The GMs haven't held any events apart from the race to 99 event, where the first 3 people got donation points. 

There are events being held, I assume you weren't online, we will try to make it more frequent.

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The economy is pretty atrocious.  In the vending area, there is a lot of junk that is extremely overpriced due to some players making money of the enchanted peach tree drops. Very few players actually buy these items due to these high prices, and just end up hunting them, so supply and demand is pretty low.  It's pretty easy to make zeny for archer classes as they can go to peach trees by level 50 or so.  Cards are gained mostly through OCAs which donators have used, and they just flood the market.
Economy is beyond me. Though average cards are not demanded much either way.

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The balance with the server is also not as good as it could be thanks to the +10 stat foods.  There are wizards with insane cast times and damage and hunters with insane ASPD and Damage, while the other foods don't really benefit the other classes much for it to be imbalancing. 

In my opinion its too soon to judge the balance, since first of all we don't even have many max level characters, and there's many items like the Mdef sets and long range attack reductions which takes quite sometime to get.


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I'm not out to bash the server or give it a negative reputation, I am stating my experience as I was there and the events that occured during my time there.  I've noticed in a lot of the threads that you should come with proof to show what you say is true.  My proof is the other players and the forums.  Unless they deleted the posts and threads, what I have said should be there.  The server was good at first, everything seemed okay, but it's just become another RetRO;  The idea was great, it was executed poorly.

If you want to know anything more, just say and I'll explain it in more detail.  Thank you for reading.



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For GMs from the server reading this, my username is Mana, just to stop any of this "You played the server once and probably got banned blah blah blah" crap that I've been seeing lately.  I'm not banned from the server or anything, on the contrary, I'm infact quite active.

Your review would have been fine if it weren't for that line, "You played the server once and probably got banned blah blah blah" crap that I've been seeing lately." Making it sound that I am the kind of person that dismiss people's review using excuses like the person was banned. I am totally offended.

I NEVER run from a review

As long as I've run Burn RO and Frozen RO, the number of bad review I got is countable by the fingers and I've ALWAYS reply with a civil arguments ACCEPTABLE by the writers.

The only time I dismiss a review by claiming it was totally bias was in regards of a review made by some one under the name Lucanesti, and for that case ratemyserver had my back for his review was removed, then he was warned, moderated, and probably banned because he didn't stop making his attacks.

Otherwise you've made a review, I've posted my side of the story/defense/reasons.

Cheers.



« Last Edit: Dec 01, 2008, 05:16 pm by Scars »

Offline mickiedeez

Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #2 on: Nov 30, 2008, 10:03 pm »
well uh... that porno popup thing is half true.  It's one of those "Your computer has a virus click ok to scan and remove it" things where if you click ANYTHING you get viruses anyway.  I have a screeny form earlier, Ill upload/ post it later.  I alt+f4ed like 7 times before the popups stopped coming, then ran spybot, RD, and CA :P
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You are a f*** idiot. Why you even bother to post here, I will never know. It is BEYOND ME.

Offline Cerebus

Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #3 on: Dec 01, 2008, 05:08 am »
Your review would have been fine if it weren't for that line, "You played the server once and probably got banned blah blah blah" crap that I've been seeing lately." Making it sound that I am the kind of person that dismiss people's review using excuses like the person was banned. I am totally offended.

Actually, that wasn't targetted at you, but rather at the other people I've been seeing posting in reviews with such things as "Well, if you have no proof, you shouldn't post it." or other stepping in and thinking "oh this is a banned player can't trust this".  I'm sorry for offending you, I should have worded that more carefully, but at the time I was writing it I was being rushed off somewhere.

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There are events being held, I assume you weren't online, we will try to make it more frequent.

The instant I wrote this, an event started.  I should have got around to editing that, but didn't have an oppertunity. 

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I still consult with the GMs and make most of the decisions in Frozen RO.

It's not so much as with the GMs you should be consulting with, but rather the players of the server.  It's not just the GMs server; if you want to have a server to work, you have to take input from the community to figure out what's going wrong and how you can improve it.  It's what GM Fifthy does in-game; she sits in prontera and asks for peoples opinions on something she's considering adding and yesterday she was asking everyones opinions of a method in order to get more players to find out about the server.  Even if you just logged in once in a while, more players would be happier.  Without trying to start an argument here, there were some players questioning your management of the server, including the GMs.

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Economy is beyond me. Though average cards are not demanded much either way.

Well, with the latest change in the enchanted peach tree drops, you are able to make roughly 100k per 20 minutes if you have an assassin and just run around killing and stealing from them.  Because of such easy money to obtain, people think that money is in large quantities so people are able to spend more, therefore jacking up the prices absurdly.  Average cards are actually in demand, especially anything related to weapons and acessories at the moment.

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In my opinion its too soon to judge the balance, since first of all we don't even have many max level characters, and there's many items like the Mdef sets and long range attack reductions which takes quite sometime to get.

As far as I know, the drooping kitty headgear isn't in, since loli ruri's have no drops, which is a major part of an MDef set, and alligator cards aren't in aswell, which reduce long range attacks.  Card sets aren't in aswell, although the server is at episode 8, where these card sets were implemented (if not before).  To be fair, yes it is probably too soon to judge balance due to not many max level characters, but when it came to WoE, it seemed knights and hunters has a major advantage (atleast for us because many of us had our compensation money left for food) because they were able to obtain stat limits which no body else could that day.

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but a classic server is not something we should implement updates on.

You could still work on implementing more of the features that were released with the updates, such as the card sets and fixing monster drops, but otherwise that is true; there is very little you can do to update it.

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donation credits is OBTAINABLE trough votings

That's what really annoyed me, it's really just an incentive to vote, however it does balance out donations since after 12 days of voting you can get +10 stat food or a bronze box, so I suppose it's both a pro and con.

Again, I apologize for saying anything that offended you in my review.

Offline Head Monocle of DOOM

Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #4 on: Dec 01, 2008, 01:58 pm »
This is perhaps the most civil review I've seen in a while. Or at least paid attention to.
Proof or it didn't happen.
All server reviews are based on a reviewers experience.
This is how negative server reviews work.
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Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #5 on: Dec 01, 2008, 02:45 pm »
This is perhaps the most civil review I've seen in a while. Or at least paid attention to.

Cerebus and Scars should be applauded for this. +1 to each of them for the civil way they're conducting themselves throughout this thread.

Offline Scars

Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #6 on: Dec 01, 2008, 06:01 pm »
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Actually, that wasn't targetted at you, but rather at the other people I've been seeing posting in reviews with such things as "Well, if you have no proof, you shouldn't post it." or other stepping in and thinking "oh this is a banned player can't trust this".  I'm sorry for offending you, I should have worded that more carefully, but at the time I was writing it I was being rushed off somewhere.


I guess I misunderstood too, but be sure that I never have run from a review and never will, also I won't delete any post in my forum unless its a Spam, double post, pure flame/insults, or advertisements and perhaps attacks on people's personal life that has nothing to do with the server.


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It's not so much as with the GMs you should be consulting with, but rather the players of the server.  It's not just the GMs server; if you want to have a server to work, you have to take input from the community to figure out what's going wrong and how you can improve it.  It's what GM Fifthy does in-game; she sits in prontera and asks for peoples opinions on something she's considering adding and yesterday she was asking everyones opinions of a method in order to get more players to find out about the server.  Even if you just logged in once in a while, more players would be happier.  Without trying to start an argument here, there were some players questioning your management of the server, including the GMs.

The GMs consult with the players, we act base on what the player wants as you also mentioned and they report to me. Yes I will try to be more active personally.

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Well, with the latest change in the enchanted peach tree drops, you are able to make roughly 100k per 20 minutes if you have an assassin and just run around killing and stealing from them.  Because of such easy money to obtain, people think that money is in large quantities so people are able to spend more, therefore jacking up the prices absurdly.  Average cards are actually in demand, especially anything related to weapons and acessories at the moment.

100k for 20 minutes, you can obtain similar amount in toy factory. Again, this is open to everyone, and I can't simply say don't vend that price, but when they vend in such high prices and gets no buyer then naturally they will reduce the price. If there is buyers, I guess that's just the way it works.

What exactly are you suggesting me do in regards to this?


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As far as I know, the drooping kitty headgear isn't in, since loli ruri's have no drops, which is a major part of an MDef set, and alligator cards aren't in aswell, which reduce long range attacks.  Card sets aren't in aswell, although the server is at episode 8, where these card sets were implemented (if not before).  To be fair, yes it is probably too soon to judge balance due to not many max level characters, but when it came to WoE, it seemed knights and hunters has a major advantage (atleast for us because many of us had our compensation money left for food) because they were able to obtain stat limits which no body else could that day.

Niff supposedly the last episode we in the game, dropping kitty should be obtainable, I will look into it.

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You could still work on implementing more of the features that were released with the updates, such as the card sets and fixing monster drops, but otherwise that is true; there is very little you can do to update it.

We deliberately not include the card combos... hitting the time where they weren't implemented, we made it clear by listing all the available cards in the forum.

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That's what really annoyed me, it's really just an incentive to vote, however it does balance out donations since after 12 days of voting you can get +10 stat food or a bronze box, so I suppose it's both a pro and con.

It exists, if we don't do it we'll be behind.
Again, +10 food are obtainable in the PvP shop trough PvPing, in a reasonable cost.

Cheers.



Offline cavs486

Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #7 on: Dec 07, 2008, 02:09 pm »
im posting here cause it seems like you pay mroe attention to these forums then the actual server forums.

Scar do you actually plan on getting involved in Frozen anymore? i just want to know the answer so i know that my time here isnt a waste.  After all the Drama that happened, I havn't seen any GM's on, not even Fifty.  Theres now 3 or more bots running around the server that have been reported on the forums, but noones done anything about.  You said you would think about puitting niff items in, but that hasnt been done yet.  A server can't last or grow if the admin don't do anything.  If your done w/ the server, please just post on the forums so everyone whos still left can just move on

Offline Tavern

Re: FrozenRO
« Reply #8 on: Dec 10, 2008, 01:07 pm »
So, this is what happens after I leave huh? Everything just falls apart! I probably would have made this server epic if I had more time on my hands...too bad. Maybe I'll remake this non-transcendent Episode 5 server again someday...