FeelRO

[Ayu]

No if you make something(art), from your own head, your own creativity and your own hands; it is yours from the moment it is finished. Meaning you have copyright on whatever it is you made.

This does not apply if you have copied someone's work.




Example;

If you are at a convention and the crew leader asks you to make a vignette for your crew's stand. You would make the vignette and finish it as fast as you can. The moment you finish it, you hold copyright to that vignette.

Sadly, when you are on the internet, there is one set of theoretical rules, and there's another set of practical rules as well. People argue using the theoretical rules, and act on the practical rules.

It's great if the server admins give the proper credit and all, but if they choose not to, there's very little that you can do about it, and not always does it worth the frustration either.

[Xarale]

I was originally siding with Chex on this one, but after today's events, I've pretty much lost respect for both sides.

I lost respect for FeelRO for using & editing artwork on your public website/client without the artist's permission, and for the hostile way the community reacted to Chex when she politely spoke up & asked the GMs to remove it.  Might, you cannot deny that Alara edited Chex's work.  You can clearly see she's recoloured some of Chex's designs, and used them on your website.  No matter how you look at it, you're using Chex's artwork without her permission.  Just do the right thing, and remove the artwork from your website/client, instead of being petty & keeping it there to spite her for advertising another server. (which I'll get into in the below paragraph)

I also lost respect for Chex for the way she fought back.  I can understand it's not easy when the majority of the community is arguing/insulting you when you're just trying to be polite/civil, but retaliating by advertising another server makes you look just as bad.  I personally thought at first that you'd personally PM'd me on the FeelRO forums in response to the friendly PM I sent you, where I was wishing you good luck with your case, but it seems you just spammed various PM boxes (including mine, twice) with this message: http://i41.tinypic.com/2uqfxfr.jpg
Thanks, but no thanks.

In summary, Might & Chex are as bad as each other.  You're both adults, so act like it.  I'm sure you can both come to some sort of solution if you talk it out.

[Might_FeelRO]

I had a talk with Alara and we decided we don't want to be any part of this any longer, especially since drawing something like Chex's art is something that can be done in a few hours without putting any supreme effort to it. We decided to take the mature side as long as nobody seems to be taking it and replace the images. I will provide you with a link in a couple of days. See you

P.S.
Chex,
We accidentally took your picture 1.5 years ago and used it on our site. We're setting it right.
You lied behind our backs, you juggled with facts, you are mean and silly. And there's nothing you can do about it.   

[Xarale]

I had a talk with Alara and we decided we don't want to be any part of this any longer, especially since drawing something like Chex's art is something that can be done in a few hours without putting any supreme effort to it. We decided to take the mature side as long as nobody seems to be taking it and replace the images. I will provide you with a link in a couple of days. See you

P.S.
Chex,
We accidentally took your picture 1.5 years ago and used it on our site. We're setting it right.
You lied behind our backs, you juggled with facts, you are mean and silly. And there's nothing you can do about it.   

That's good to hear, hopefully this whole situation will be resolved now.

/respect @ Might

[LemonCrosswalk]

Welcome to the internet where people are flaming F***s and dumb a**es because of anonymity.

If someone claims your artwork for their own, it's stealing. If someone uses your artwork for something else in a graphic and not profit from it, you can use it under copyright law as long as they site it. Other than that, people do not care. Nothing will happen to someone using an image unprotected on a site.

This isn't the first time an issue like this with your artwork being stolen. I gave you a lot of advice on how to protect your artwork and I have only seen one picture with a watermark. Yes, they are being irresponsible, lazy, and wrong for using your work, but you are being more so by not doing what you CAN to protect your artwork. Even your signature, which is the thing most often STOLEN, has no signature nor watermark on it. No copyright image on the bottom.

Be a professional. Go back and watermark your images. If you don't like watermarks, hide your signature within the picture. It is one thing to crop an image to use and a whole OTHER thing to actively erasing the artist's signature or symbol or whatever you use to show it is yours.

[Chexie]

I had a talk with Alara and we decided we don't want to be any part of this any longer, especially since drawing something like Chex's art is something that can be done in a few hours without putting any supreme effort to it. We decided to take the mature side as long as nobody seems to be taking it and replace the images. I will provide you with a link in a couple of days. See you

P.S.
Chex,
We accidentally took your picture 1.5 years ago and used it on our site. We're setting it right.
You lied behind our backs, you juggled with facts, you are mean and silly. And there's nothing you can do about it.   

Big words for someone who kept claiming that my art had no right to be removed. That Alara had done nothing wrong in editing and using my art. After hours of defending Alara's actions as not being art theft which it was I'm finally glad you came to your senses. Or was it the emails that flooded your inbox from my fellow artists that bothered you? Stop acting like i advertised publicly on forums, your own members PMed me and after you and your staff deciding not to take down my images, promote flaming, cursing on me, and IP banning me i think you kinda deserved it. Not to mention that you could have avoided drama by simply keeping things between the both of us in email, did you not read where i wrote that i would no longer post on your forums if you decided to take it down? Was it so hard to do? After all you didn't like my art right? Yet you somehow just decide to start an argument on the forums with me, continuously allow your members to harass me where that is clear breaking of forum rules. I'm surprised a forum doesn't follow its own rules. "**** you b****", "****ing ip ban her", oh so much respect in that. You just waited to a point that you could make up something and make me look bad and twist the story. W/e.

Seriously I'm not hiding anything I did, you on the other hand along with your other co-GMs were soooo reluctant to let my art go, like it was making you money or something, deleting an img src code from your friggin webpage is easy as hell. A simple "yes we'll get rid of it" at the beginning would've stopped it.I'm pretty sure you're just tired or scared of people seeing your server as "art thieves", I recall someone saying "don't bring it to RMS" well FYI your own member did so I just made a reply. I had no intention of bringing details up in here since i believed it would be better to leave your server and its admins to their own policies of whats right but since you guys wanted to I guess I'll just state my side.

I'm sure any artist with what, 3 days? of constant flaming and a GM prolonging this, moderators not moderating, and GMs making excuses and saying that I have no rights over my own art, any artist would have acted angry.

Talking to Might was like talking to a brick wall, he just acted as stupid as any of his own forum members, moderators or whoever kept flaming and making the issue worse.

To everyone; FYI, i never got pissed before might just ignored my email and started a case of "your art shouldn't be removed" + 21321 continuous flames. I'm pretty sure after a few days of this going on it would piss any artist off. I already did try to avoid it. He knew he had it coming anyway.

I couldn't care less what you think about my art, but if you didn't like it from the start, why use it? Why prolong the issue and just not take it down? Why spend so much time defending it? Why make up things that I took hours labeling my whole DA gallery with "permission" tags because you used it? Doesn't matter if it takes 30 mins or 10 hours to draw something. Doesn't mean you have any right to steal it. Art is still art. And if you think my art was so effortless then don't use it in the first place.

You're not the first server using my art without permission, other servers acted maturely and said they would take it down or credit me, whichever was best and no problems came out of that. i've had permission tags since private servers started using my art. Some just credited me or responded respectfully when i notified them. In your case, Alara edited my art and you still keep making excuses and prolonged flaming, your own moderators partook instead of doing their jobs.

If you wanted to set it right, you would have said so in the reply in your email but you merely linked me to a forum and prolonged the issue with clear statements that my art shouldn't be removed so don't come in here acting like you were trying to the right thing before. Teach your designers to credit artists, so many people on DA and your own players told me how she was without permission using custom sprites / artworks without credit from others.

Regardless,

You still could have just emailed me. I guess you just don't want your precious server name to be covered in dirt. Like i said, if you're gonna be low and insult my art, don't use it and most especially don't make excuses for it to be kept on your site.

Since after 2 whole days of this discussion on forums you finally decide to take it down, whatever the reason it may be, its much appreciated and I end this discussion here.

On a lighter note, more people need to learn about copyright, yes, watermarks help, all my new art have been watermark if you check my gallery, but regarding a minor image in a signature its pretty sad when someone even has to steal that.

[SilverStream~]

:Disclaimer, according to some forum users this following post would be classified by them as QQing, and BAAAAAAAAW:

What I have said about the copyright issue, is correct and accurate. Every single bit of it. I'm sorry if you don't believe it, I just bring out the fact about it and not gibberish.


About what I have said about the what she did and did not and what she did was right etc blablabla, is my own opinion. Not fact. The above line of text however is fact.

I will take the liberty of quoting Descent's avatar text: "Brutal honesty served ice cold."
Replace Honesty with Fact and you find me.

[Guest]

okay guys, i've removed a bunch of the rather unneeded posts
but please keep this in mind, i'm not going to clean this topic twice if it comes to that im just going to lock it

[Reyl]

hmm... i think it's best to create a new topic under Hall of Shame specifically about the stolen art incident at FeelRO. I believe that's how other cases were dealt with. I recall seeing another server with your chibi art being reported at that section not too long ago.

p/s: hope you get recognised for your creative works and your wishes as an artist respected.

I'd like to support bleu's idea. While I think it's nice that a resolution is starting to come through, I really don't feel like all this belongs as an addendum to my server review. As the original poster, can I request that this discussion be split into a separate thread? My review is months old by now and not even relevant to this image-theft issue.

About the issue itself, well... people tend to take desperate measures when they feel upset or threatened. It happens. But as things are, I don't think this resolution is an ideal one for either side. It's already clear that both sides made a few bad decisions, but the inconsistent stories leave me feeling as if someone is lying or overexaggerating. I don't think that's a reputation that either side (a head GM and an artist) will want to come out of this with. I hope you can talk this over privately to resolve this a bit more honestly and peaceably; if that's not possible, then I really hope this issue doesn't come back to haunt you later.

[Omi]

tl;dr

chexie I'd be glad someone is using if someone was using my art, shows how good it is.  You can't "copyright" your drawing, because it's "fanart" of an image that IS copyrighted.  Also, to be honest your art is hell terrible and anyone could look at a character sprite and draw it's head 5x bigger than normal.  oh, ps, it's the interet, what are you going to do, cry? thats about as much as you can do

on that note, i've taken all of chexies images, removed watermarks, signed it myself, and posted it on 4 accounts on deviantart and sheezyart.  if it is copyrighted, see you guys i'm going to be sued and bawed at

[Might_FeelRO]

I had a talk with Alara and we decided we don't want to be any part of this any longer, especially since drawing something like Chex's art is something that can be done in a few hours without putting any supreme effort to it. We decided to take the mature side as long as nobody seems to be taking it and replace the images. I will provide you with a link in a couple of days. See you    

Chexie's pictures removed from the site and replaced with the ones drawn by Alara.

http://feelro.net/SessionExpired.aspx

The image on the login screen will be replaced during next maintenance, since it requires patching everyone's client to change it.

Or was it the emails that flooded your inbox from my fellow artists that bothered you? 

Your fellow artists didnt write us a single letter.

Good bye


EDIT:

- Overly edited drawings of mine, and yes they are my drawings with a lot of editing done them, checked em in photoshop.OBVIOUS EDITING much? (If you check the pixel patterns in PS its an edited image.)

http://princesschex.deviantart.com/

Chexie, for God's sake, stop slandering. Those pictures were drawn out of nothing. Those arent your art, those arent edited, those are made by us from the first pixel till the last one. If you cannot even imagine that it can be done so perfectly - it's not the reason to lie about us again. If you "checked the pattern" - then check again, you were wrong. And stop it already with your obsession about your art. There is nothing so special in it that cant be done by simply a good, professional artist. And those pictures i asked Alara to make - is another proof of it. 

For everyone who is interested:

Original picture from our site, by Chexie:


Picture made by Alara:


This is the result of photoshop comparison with the "difference" filter. Black color - indicates the match.




As you can see, everything that matches - is the skin and hair color of the character standing to the left. Everything else differs. Try that for yourselves if you dont believe us.
Posted on: Apr 13, 2009, 06:39 amOh, and Chexie:

http://www.heartro.com/
http://www.rowragnarok.com/cp/
http://puddingsro.no-ip.info/flash/
http://u2ro.org/index.php?serverid=&content=infos

Bite!

[Chexie]

Thats not my art besides the first one. It's Claire's. But thanks. will inform her since u went thru the trouble of letting me know. going to bed now. nightnight.

[Nay]

Are u sure?)
http://puddingsro.no-ip.info/flash/

next click DOWNLOAD - and there - forum

and BTW If this picture not yours it is not pity to you of its maker? )
You worry only about yourself? It is not good....

[Chexie]

Thats not my art besides the first one. It's Claire's. But thanks. will inform her later of that since u went thru the trouble of letting me know. going to bed now. nightnight.

^

i said i would inform her thanks for letting me know.

[Nay]

For your friend Claire. It seems she is more popular than you )))

http://www.nekotsuki-ro.net/TsukiHime/TsukiHime.html
http://www.nro-era.net/images/reviewRMS.jpg

http://quest-ro.com/

and your pic too

http://quest-ro.com/templates/quest/images/quest/backgrounds/header-2.jpg