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Title: EssenceRO
Post by: Nalei on Mar 12, 2009, 03:24 AM
A review for the mid-rate server, EssenceRO. If you are of a PVP type and love to talk smack, kill noobs, pick on friendly players, and everything else in the typical RO attitude of things- This server is for YOU, 100%,

If you're a more modest and mature player, you may want to continue reading my fair warning.

I'll start off with that from the outside looking into Essence, it seems like a fantastic midrate server. Full of unique customs, quests, and events. All custom headgear quests do require a lot of grind, but that's nothing to complain over. With just a first look on the website, you'll easily see over 1,000 online players. I'll warn you in saying that a good chunk of that is in vendors or those who dual client with tons of Alchemist's with Homuncs who camp area for items.... I witnessed myself one man with 10 Alchemists just to collect over 2,000 Blue Herbs.. Talk about a rich boy's lazy way of hunting. So with that, Essence's current player count is still well within at least 400 individual players. That's still impressive, but it loses points with me when such cheap things are allowed with alchemists. Morroc, Old Payon, Prontera, and Alberta are nearly always filled with the merchants in their allowed vending locations. You'll spot a few random vendors in other towns as well. This is both great at first, as you'll find many good and cheap items to buy for starting out. It becomes progressively worse when you can't even sell good items at cheap prices just to keep up with the community. I personally only believe the reason why Essence's community as spiked up in number is the half-implemented Third classes of Rune Knight, Guillotine Cross, Ranger, Warlock, and Arch Bishop. The server is loaded with Warlocks and Arch Bishops especially.

With such a large population I often experienced random little 2 second lag spikes every 2-5 minutes once the player count reached over 1,000. When it climbs higher the spikes become more frequent to the point where I can become randomly disconnected. Some people have this issue while others don't. I know it isn't my ISP as another server I play on with around 500 online people never gives me lag spikes. Though, this will still arguably be only my problem and not the fact the server of 1k average players, the website, and the forums are all hosted on 1 machine.. Just saying, maybe splitting up the load with the obvious nice amount of money from donates would be helpful to reduce server stress. So with that, Stability of the server for me was below average on such a hyped up server. Especially when they just moved to a great, new box.

The GMs of Essence, when they are in GM Mode, are very attentive and i'd say by far the more intelligent team i've seen together. I do believe they begin to fall down when it comes to actually enforcing much among players. I've seen even the great Tira fall to the likes of a 14 year old, which is odd when you see her conduct herself in a very mature and thoughtful way most of the time. I would honestly believe the GMs don't bother with players so much in game as they may be more helpful on the forums or IRC. I know they are human but I do believe there could be more done to create a more general-player friendly environment. They may be use to the rude names of players such as "I DONT LIKE FAT b****" announcing random things on the server constantly, not to mention the PVP-hyped up enthusiasts who begin to trash talk over the broadcast with a lot of vulgar language. If you're with your friends somewhere or even just in PVP and you use vulgarity, that's no problem with me as even I'll be immature and do it too at times. I don't need to be assaulted with random players provokes to other guilds on a broadcast though. I'm sure this turns away a lot of more modest players in the beginning. I do believe the GMs are above average but they do lack something in this department.

Working for your good gear makes it all the more worth while. The quests in Essence can keep you busy for a long time, especially with the very scarce information you'll find on them. I wouldn't recommend asking anyone in game as chances are, no one will answer you about anything. You may get lucky and find 1 kind soul out of 100 in the main hometowns of Payon or Prontera. The quests become down right tedious and much more of a zeny grind fest to buy the MVP items from players. It doesn't sound so bad right? I don't think so either, but when the average item you need goes for over 20mil a piece, one begins to wonder if it's even worth it. The easiest quests are Valkyrie Helm, Bee Wings, and Blue Butterfly Wings. I was lucky enough to find a site that featured information on most of the headgears of Essence, as the NPC's in game are not very informative. "Yeah bring me these items. Okay go see this npc, bye!" Not even a hint to the next location... That's extremely cruel to do when you want to encourage people to do the quests without having official information about them even allowed on the main website or forums. To improve that I would recommend actually including hints or directions in the NPC's to the next destination. The dialogues of most of the quest NPC's are extremely lacking in the originality department. Elemental Wings being one of the more original content. "Go find Violet" .... Okay I shall go search every single map to find 1 npc that you couldn't take 5 more second to type "She's usually lurking around a busy merchant town". Which narrows it down from 1,000 maps to about 3 without completely holding a player's hand through everything.

On the topic of gear, when you see +8 gear as the normal +'d equipment for sale, it gets discouraging. The more established players will have much more of an advantage. I often see Buying and Selling of many +9 and +10 Armor and Level 4 weapons. You can get Enriched Oridecon and Elunium but you have to be lucky enough to win mini game tokens for this, such as with the only way i now how is the Survival Arena. The Survival Arena is a nice idea of an auto running event, however it fills so quickly that you'll very rarely get a chance to get in. It's usually always the same people who do. If you are a donator you'll have much easier access to such things as tokens and what not, making the average player start to drop into the dull category. Then when these same people begin to trash talk you because you aren't as cool as them and their guild that donated over 500$ to the server.... Well I suppose you can see the problem I have.

WoE and PVP aren't as balanced as people would like to think here. Instant Cast is very common and easy to obtain and you have many caster classes ready to rip into you. Trying out both myself proved just how wrong my classic builds of a status hunter failed on these people. Immunity to statuses is easy achieved and cripples many more creative builds. You are forced to only go one way for pvp, and that is with a big guild to gang bang people in PVP itself. You may not want to enter until you have at least +9 Equipment with +10 of whatever weapon you will be using. My build was fantastic and so strong on monsters that I solo'ed anywhere I went. I feel like a Novice being eaten by Salamanders in the PVP and WoE maps. PVP is also on every MVP map, which is pretty bad. When it comes to some maps like Abey lvl 2, where you'd like to try and get some Tidal's to you know, catch up to the +9 wearers and all you do is get ganked by people who just like to be rude. What can you do about this? They're FFA maps, so anything goes. Even innocent training noobs in Toy Factory lvl 2, an ideal place for any new starting player, is FFA and often Rangers will come down there to kill everyone on sight. Pretty sad to see a big bad level 170 pick on a First Class player. But yet, these things continue and nothing will be done as only those who like a peaceful playing environment will really say anything. The GMs are in support of the more rude FFA PVP so that outranks everyone else.

I do not have screen shots as I believe anyone can try out this server and see all the points about it. The good and the extremely bad. Maybe I was terribly unlucky to not find friendly people to guild with or even just chat with. My second day, I helped out a few people in the guild of Zodiac Cross. The next day i'm just ragged on by 1 specific member for a good few hours before I finally defended myself. I conducted myself at first just in a joking manner but then I just became irritated as I was told I could be expelled. So, I and my friend excused ourselves from the guild. How much of it can you take with someone at first calling you a cross dresser, then you're gay, then that you have no life, then that you're lame, then that they know better than you.. for a good few hours? I think anyone would eventually defend themselves at that point.

There have been countless players that probably integrated well into this community. I'm an older player who just can't keep up with the times anymore. I can't keep going on and on with the insults and trashing in PVP. I can't grind for hours, code up a good bot, or multi-client myself. I believe every new player will have a small chance to get in good with the players here, but if you miss that chance it's gone forever. EssenceRO is a very difficult server to integrate into. No one wants to play as an outsider constantly but I became that way here. Unless you are one of those people who love conflict, dramatizing, and the rest of the PVP package, I recommend looking elsewhere for a server. EssenceRO isn't a place for older and more modest players. Perhaps that is just my opinion. EssenceRO's currently popularity streak has only been increased due to the implementation of the third classes, which is a very poor preview of them. I'd rather have full implementation with correct animations, job stat bonuses, and working skills then what EssenceRO offers for these classes.


As with Essence, I see the same patterns on every server. I believe the community of RO to be running bone dry of good, decent players and left many as just shallow individuals seeking virtual gratification. A sign to move on to better things. I've learned that no matter how good a GM team and how well a server is maintained, there is always corruption. There is always a seed of hateful players that spreads like the plague through the communities and all that's left is what you see today. A handful of still good people and the rest just rotten trolls ready to pounce on everyone.

Thank you for reading. You may reply any way you wish but I will not flatter anyone with an argument. My opinion will not change. I'm sure that no one will really bother to read this though. And one more person retires from RO. 1 Less number to make that player count look more special to others.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexmix on Mar 13, 2009, 12:16 AM
lol, Tira
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Rudolph Zyaber on Mar 13, 2009, 09:38 AM
Good review to be honest.  You present your arguments pretty well and it wasn't a terrible read because you broke your points up into their own paragraphs (unlike some reviewers these days =__=)

Anyway wanna address a few things:

yeah the lag is bad.  I noticed it myself and I'm closer to the server box than Tira who apparently gets no lag -.-

the community is the same as you will find on any RO server that allows players to be competitive in some way.  Trash talk is a commonplace occurance in online gaming.  However if you find it excessive, screenshot it and post it on the forums.  GM's aren't going to do anything about it without proper proof.


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maybe splitting up the load with the obvious nice amount of money from donates

For the longest time this was not the case.  They only just recently (as far as I know) got any money from donators due to the changed structure of the donation system which you can find here : http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=17743


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On the topic of gear, when you see +8 gear as the normal +'d equipment for sale, it gets discouraging. The more established players will have much more of an advantage. I often see Buying and Selling of many +9 and +10 Armor and Level 4 weapons.

this happens in every server.  Essence has ran for over a year now and has had one wipe in the summer.  This is just the eventual result of overzealous players and a rampant economy cause by the increase in population.  An apparent problem I have however with Essence's economy is that you are right, it's controlled by the people who MVP the most, due to the use of MVP items in quests.  I will probably make a suggestion about pushing for less MVP items in quests so that more players have access to these quest items.

Toy Factory level 2 is pvp because of the MVP that spawns on it and all MVP maps are PVP because MVP's are Free for all if not summoned by a Bloody Branch or summoning quest.  Myst Case spawns have been increased on TF1 if I am not mistaken, but anyway if that's not for you then there's plenty of ways of MVPing without ever going into an PVP-flagged dungeon (Abra, BB's. Official summoning quests)


as for your comments on PVP and WoE, I've done pretty well myself with average gear (+7-8) and WoE on Essence is one of the most balanced things I've ever seen outside of the retarded s*** they allow Biochemists to do with plants (There have been a number of threads about the subject of mass-planting being OP)  PVP balance could use some attention though, as it's really hard to get the community to agree on what is OP and what isn't. (professors for example)

P.s.: I'm sorry your PVE build didn't work in PVP (I have to tell you that I lol'd when I read that)
 
If I wasn't writing papers and doing exams, you could have looked me up and I would have been more than glad to help you with anything in game.  The day before I left for my winter semester at University, I gave a level 20 merchant who had just started playing on the server my +4 VVS Fire Two Hand axe and whatever armor and items I could give him that I had in my storage that I thought would help him. 


Anyway, I don't know if I should post this or not but whatever, I guess I will:

This was a pm I wrote to Tira concerning a review similar to what you stated about the community we have in-game and how I thought the server should push for a better community rating so that people would want to play on Essence more.  This is Tira's response to my PM.

Me:
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[think you should respond to some of the more recent RMS reviews that give the server a bad name simply for being laggy. especially with this new system upgrade you guys are getting. Some of them however have valid points about the community, I think you should make a big effort to reward more community friendliness. The in-game community as well as the old forum community back when symbiote/AJ/Alex posted were the only 2 things I didn't like about this server. If you push to reward good in-game behavior it might change some peoples opinions and make for a better player environment.

Tira:
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As to the friendlines.. to be honest, I don't really agree anymore, and I think a lot of those reviews are BS. Before custom player towns were out, there was a lot more unfriendliness in the public areas in game, but now the more "controversial" players have shifted over to their own towns and are out of public areas, the generally friendliness in communal towns is really nice. I've been seeing players help out new people, take them to stores, give them basic equips and all sorts.


So currently, she is counter to your opinion.  I only hope that more reviews like yours pop up to open her eyes.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexmix on Mar 13, 2009, 11:41 AM
So currently, she is counter to your opinion.

of course she is, though.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: RaptureRO on Mar 13, 2009, 03:22 PM
Unfortunately, I have to agree with the lag and with some of the open vulgarity in the server. I happen to be in a guild with many unfairly named chars  pertaining to weight or even vulgar sexual themes. I don't agree with their names, but as long as GMs don't do anything about it it's not wrong. As for the lag, it's pissing me off. The lag spikes are "intermittent" I talked to the GMs and they're like "well it's the internet it's not perfect" >_<!!! And the economy I actually think is fine, although the guild balance could be a bit better. On any server, whoever MVPs the most is the best guild cuz they get all the cards :B!
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Goshio on Mar 14, 2009, 03:56 PM
Hmmm, I am certain that eRO is a good server.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Guest on Mar 14, 2009, 04:16 PM
Hmmm, I am certain that eRO is a good server.

/swt this is RMS, take your time to prove him wrong?
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Zone on Mar 14, 2009, 09:38 PM
Hmmm, I am certain that eRO is just another server but with 3rd Classes.
Fixed.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Guest on Mar 14, 2009, 10:03 PM
Hmmm, I am certain that eRO is just another server but with 3rd Classes.
Fixed.

to be honest, its not even that special that it has the thirds, a lot of servers now are poping up with them .... as much to my displeasure as that really is...
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: A92FL0163 on Mar 14, 2009, 11:24 PM
Weirdly enough, everyone is doing separate versions of it, I'll be so happy when they say "LOL IT CHANGE" when they release it.
Which will obviously happen.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Moonie on Mar 15, 2009, 03:55 AM
I wasn't too thrilled with EssenceRO either to be honest. The high population and ammount of unique mobs/quests/hats pull you in at first but the social environment is unpleasant. A lot of rude, selfish and downright nasty people, didn't see any GMs on in the time I played (2 months). I liked that they had Old Payon but it's littered with shops and afk people, completely ruins the feel of having the place back. :-\
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Patapon on Mar 15, 2009, 11:53 AM
WoE on Essence is one of the most balanced things I've ever seen

Paladins.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Goshio on Mar 15, 2009, 03:20 PM
What?
Which servers got 3rd jobs? O.o
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Descent on Mar 15, 2009, 07:42 PM
What?
Which servers got 3rd jobs? O.o

If you think EssenceRO is the ONLY server to have 3rd jobs, you really need to crawl out from under that rock, pal.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexmix on Mar 16, 2009, 11:42 AM
3rd jobs are still buggy though iirc
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Patapon on Mar 16, 2009, 05:36 PM
3rd jobs are still buggy though iirc

it's almost like they aren't 100% made on official servers yet or something

oh wait
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Reyl on Mar 19, 2009, 03:25 PM
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EssenceRO isn't a place for older and more modest players.

I've been playing Essence as a player for about a month... does this mean I'm not a mature person...?

I think it's unfortunate that you ended up with a bunch of bad apples, but I think it's a strong generalization to believe that the whole community is a trash-talking mass of immature twats. I'm not fond of the types that are like this, but at the same time, I haven't had much of a problem finding good, decent-minded people to surround myself with. I know this probably won't impact your opinion, but I don't want your bad impression to downplay the server for others when I honestly think you've just been looking in the wrong places.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 20, 2009, 10:07 PM
It's really too bad that I never bothered finishing my huge review of EssenceRO, exposing all the dirty little secrets and pointing out just how horribly the server is ran. At first glance, the staff may seem professional, when they're around. But putting on a mask for the community doesn't do much for the reality of things.

It's a shame nobody else has taken my place and created a few-post-long review of Essence. But who could? The only other people with as much knowledge about the server as myself are still staff members, or close friends with Tira.

Simply put, however, EssenceRO isn't anything special. Their staff is the usual. Incompetent with a few perks, favoring and corruption included. Throwing developers from eAthena into the mix doesn't help much, in itself, beyond appeal for morons. If you don't want to deal with a dull, moronic community, and iffy staff members as well as blatant corrupt ones, you're best off looking elsewhere. I don't know of a single decent Ragnarok Online private server at the moment, though.

Hopefully, no one responds giving me reason to desire typing up such a long review. Surely it'd be someone from Essence, defending Essence, and anyone that would do that, looking at Essence's time line, can't really be worth anybody's time. Especially if they've heard the truth behind the lies.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Rudolph Zyaber on Mar 22, 2009, 05:13 PM
If you could have done all the things you claim to be able to do against Essence and reveal all the corruption etc.  you already would have done so long ago. 

Essence is fine the way it is.  You're only going to find more of the same on any other RO server you go to with regards of community and GM availability/maturity.  The majority of players and developers for private servers range from 13-30. 

I would welcome any and all evidence you have Symbiote to be put into a review but the only thing you would be able to dredge up is how bad Essence's security used to be because you yourself were the one who hacked it a few months ago(which amounted to practically nothing) and maybe the incident you got yourself banned for (non-stop harassment of the head-admin with 0 evidence is not how you bring light to corruption).

EssenceRO isn't special because no Private server is. It's what you make of it yourself that ends up being special. 

Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 22, 2009, 07:03 PM
If you could have done all the things you claim to be able to do against Essence and reveal all the corruption etc.  you already would have done so long ago.

I would welcome any and all evidence you have Symbiote to be put into a review but the only thing you would be able to dredge up is how bad Essence's security used to be because you yourself were the one who hacked it a few months ago(which amounted to practically nothing) and maybe the incident you got yourself banned for (non-stop harassment of the head-admin with 0 evidence is not how you bring light to corruption).

Really, now? I typed up simply a beginning introduction to my review for EssenceRO, and it was 2-3 RateMyServer forum posts long. Yes, I capped the post character limit 2-3 times well before even getting into my review and corruption revealing business. You're correct, I had unauthorized access to nearly all Administration areas of EssenceRO for 7-8 months, and not a single staff member noticed. You honestly believe that someone could have access to such vital information that long and not know anything about the real way Essence runs? You think that the only flaw I would notice from all that time was their lack of security? Please, buddy. Ramble your fantasy somewhere else.

My ban came around a month or so prior to Halloween, and the ban was for arguing with Tira and Okale in IRC about something that they had both lied about. Of course, they didn't know, at the time, that I had Administrative access, and had had it since March, so they thought they were free to lie away and nobody would know the difference. I mean, come on. Tira even went as far as to call me mentally insane simply because I pushed for her to admit the truth, yet, she continued lying right until the very end. The sad thing is, she'd probably even still lie about it. I swear the woman has some sort of chronic lying disorder. I know it's crucial to keep your server's image looking good, but lying about something so ridiculous, and especially lying and getting caught, definitely doesn't help a thing.

Put simply, without wasting my time getting into all the details, Tira is an unfit Administrator. A decent web designer, perhaps, but staff material for anything beyond web design? No way, jose. If she were to hand the server over to someone else, and Okale was to get the boot(along with all of the staff hired simply because of their close relation to Tira in some way, shape, or form), the server could begin to head in a decent direction.

EssenceRO isn't special because no Private server is. It's what you make of it yourself that ends up being special.

A private server can be plenty special. It's simply unfortunate that no private servers exist at the moment that are truly worth playing. You find a server with a decent setup, bad staff, or great staff, and a bad setup. The puzzle never fits, and it's a damn shame.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Guest on Mar 22, 2009, 08:13 PM
lol now's the time to make that full review =3
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Jinxess on Mar 23, 2009, 08:20 AM
A private server can be plenty special. It's simply unfortunate that no private servers exist at the moment that are truly worth playing. You find a server with a decent setup, bad staff, or great staff, and a bad setup. The puzzle never fits, and it's a damn shame.

The puzzle does fit for some people. For those who the puzzle doesn't fit, they either live with it and continue to play or they don't continue to play.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Loki on Mar 23, 2009, 08:24 AM
Lying about what exactly? You're not giving much light to us drama whores on-lookers.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Patapon on Mar 23, 2009, 10:38 AM
words

you haven't really told us what she was lying about yet

or have any evidence to prove she was lying
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 23, 2009, 12:10 PM
Lying about what exactly? You're not giving much light to us drama whores on-lookers.

Basically, we were all hanging out in IRC before the arguments started. Some of us were browsing the ranking on the CeresCP control panel that Essence used at the time. I believe a member in IRC was talking about maxing a regular Novice, to 170. So I looked up how many other level 170 Novices there were. If memory serves me correctly, there were three. There may have been two, but I'm thinking three. Either way, two of them were characters of ex-GMs on their ex-GM accounts. Fenrir, a short-lived Enforcement GM, and Trick, another short-lived Enforcement GM. Since I just looked up their names in my account database from Halloween, I can provide their character names, though it likely doesn't have much use at this point. "TRlCK," and "Fenrir2." TRlCK was 170/10, and Fenrir2 was 170/1, which was proof that Fenrir2 had indeed made that character on his GM account. I could not prove that TRlCK's character was on his GM account without giving away that I had Administrative access.

However, in case you don't realize it, once an account has their GM Level set above a certain point, none of their characters appear on the CeresCP ranking system. When their GM Level is reduced again, their characters reappear. This meant that Tira did not delete the characters of ex-GMs, which was dumb enough in itself. Having noticed everything, I brought up in IRC why Tira hadn't removed their characters. Then it hit me to take it a step further, and see if Tira had even changed their passwords. Since I'd had access since March and it was then late September or November(I can't recall off-hand), I had various saves of the entire account database and had become familiar with quite a few passwords. Fact was that Tira hadn't just not changed Trick and Fenrir's passwords after de-GMing them, she hadn't changed any GM passwords that were since de-GM'd. The only GM that had their password changed when they were de-GM'd was Chisei, and that wasn't even done by Tira, it was done by the Head GM of the time, Sita.

Since most, if not all, of the ex-GMs had been demoted prior to the item/zeny wipe, post-wipe, all it meant was that ex-GMs could all reaccess their accounts and freely play their GM-command-leveled characters at any time. This alone was bad, however, pre-wipe, ex-GMs could have easily distributed items they had created or zeny that they had created to other players once their GM level had been lowered again. Tira insists that GMs did not have @item or @zeny, however, all GMs had items of some sort that they gained from some way or another, as everyone saw whenever the GMs were not hidden.

When I brought up the fact that their passwords hadn't been changed either, Tira got super-defensive, and insisted, acting as if she had zero doubt in herself, that she had changed their passwords and not given them access to their accounts once she demoted them. To verify, I logged into the CeresCP administration real-time to check if she had just changed their passwords, seeing as how I knew from my documented information that, up to the argument beginning in IRC, that their passwords were exactly the same as they were prior to their demotion. As the argument continued, I rechecked several moments later. What do you know? Tira had added simple asterisks(*) to the end of every ex-GM account's password, and continued to lie as if she had done that from the very beginning in IRC. Sadly, I couldn't, obviously, out and say that I had access to the administrative Control Panel, but I did insist that I had proof. Unfortunately, there wasn't much I could do with it if I didn't want to reveal my access and lose the access.

Since she was so keen on lying about such a simple thing, which she never backed down on in the least, even, as said, going as far as to call me mentally insane simply for arguing with her and trying to get her to admit the truth, rather than lie, I decided to see if she'd lie about some other facts I had on her. I brought up the fact that Okale (whom was intended to only be a Forum Moderator publicly, though, behind the scenes, hidden to the public, he was also an Enforcement GM named Renais, and an Administrator on the forums) had access to Tira's in-game and forum accounts. To my lack of surprise, both Tira and Okale started to deny that one. s*** for them, however, seeing as how I knew for a fact that Okale had accessed her account(s) on multiple occasions. Having been active in the Administration control panel for quite some time, I often noticed IPs alternating on Tira's "Last IP" table. One traced to California, which just so happens to be where Okale lives, and the other to Britain, where Tira lives. Doing a search for the California IP on the control panel brought up, gasp, Okale's accounts. He didn't have a level 99 GM account, so anything beyond his new-found level 80 Enforcement GM "Renais," he had to use Tira's account for, and had used it long before his alias "Renais" even came around. At the time of the argument, I had no proof, seeing as how I would've had to screenshot it, and it was something that I never thought Tira would bother lying about. Silly move in retrospect, after seeing what a chronic liar she'd turned into. But, you know the funny thing? On Halloween, when I logged into the Administrative control panel before commencing my enjoyment, guess whose IP was marked as "Last IP" on Tira's account? Okale's! Screenshotted and documented.

In any case, now that Tira and Okale were both lying about trivial things, absolutely refusing to admit the truth, and nearly all of IRC kissing their donkey with no doubt in their words, I also brought up the fact that Renais was Okale's alternate, which, staff members knew, but no one else was supposed to know. Of course, they could not deny it since more than those higher-up staff members were aware, and may not have been willing to enforce the lie. Which is why I also brought up the long-hidden fact that Tira and Gigawatt, an Enforcement GM, were dating and had been dating for quite some time. Again, they could not publicly deny it, as most, if not all, of the staff was aware.

Now, there may or may not have been more to our argument, but that is all I remember off-hand from that particular IRC argument which led to me getting banned from the game, forums, and IRC. When I was banned, I had been logged into the server, and I was sitting in Gonryun speaking with someone who had come along and ask me how I was doing. I told them something along the lines of "I'm annoyed, Okale and Tira are lying, and we're arguing in IRC." Within 5 seconds after responding to her question, "Your account has been blocked by a GM." Upon bringing this up in IRC, Tira claimed that she hadn't banned me, at first. After some more pushing, she said she hadn't even been in-game, and banned me from the control panel. Now, what's worng with that? Anyone that knows how Ragnarok Online servers run to a novice extent should be aware of the fact that setting an account to banned status on the Control Panel does not boot the player. They have to log off and attempt to log back in in order to receive an account block. However, if a GM blocks a person's account from in-game via command, it is immediate, and the player is shown the blocked dialog. Tira had lied, once again. Boy, she was on a roll.

So, seeing as how she was abusing her power over her inability to admit the truth, and had banned me from game for literally nothing, simply responding to a friend's question, the argument got heated and Okale decided to permaban me from IRC (do note, IRC has no rules beyond spamming rules and had never had rules beyond spamming rules). This led to a thread on the forums being created, in which a few trolls and otherwise asskissing morons thought that looking past the corruption at hand and rejoicing at the fact someone they didn't like was banned was a better choice. I was permabanned from the forums for responding to one of their insulting posts with an insulting post in return, yet, the provoker received no punishment.

Only a month or two later, on Halloween, would it come to light in Tira's pretty little head, that I did in fact have proof, and knew all along what a piece of s*** liar she was. Even past Halloween she finds it in herself to come up with lies to make the server look better in some way, shape, or form, however. For example, she continues to tell players that I still play her server, making it seem as if a person who claims to hate it "can't stay away from it, it's that good."

Do note, though, these are, by all means, not the only lies and s*** Tira has flung around from the beginning of EssenceRO's lifetime. These are what led me to be unjustly banned, and these in themselves should be more than enough to show, to those that aren't in denial, that misconduct is a factor in EssenceRO's "essence." There is a reason I didn't continue with my original review, which was already way too long, and that reason is that it would've taken too much time, and would produce the same result as anything less. Those who want to believe the truth, would believe the truth. Those that are gullible to authority, or are just that interested in fantasy over reality, would believe Essence staff.

you haven't really told us what she was lying about yet

or have any evidence to prove she was lying

Now that you've wasted a good chunk of my time typing this up, I hope you're a little more satisfied.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexmix on Mar 23, 2009, 01:38 PM
Wow, why are you guys insulting each other over your opinions of a server?
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Guest on Mar 23, 2009, 06:35 PM
Symbiote want your own topic about this? cause i can always split it, besides it seems like you have a lot to say ^^;~
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 23, 2009, 07:28 PM
Symbiote want your own topic about this? cause i can always split it, besides it seems like you have a lot to say ^^;~

Thanks for the offer, but keep it here for now. I'm not looking to spend hours typing up posts regarding a server long overdue for closure.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Patapon on Mar 23, 2009, 07:38 PM
words

you still have not proven to us that this actually is true
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 30, 2009, 11:58 PM
words

you still have not proven to us that this actually is true

You're so predictable, buddy. Tossing away such a precise explanation so easily, and all. However, I won't bother proving it is true for you alone. I didn't begin posting here with the intent of wasting time, as stated multiple times. All of my documents from and relevant to EssenceRO, save for my account list, are on my old hard drive inside of my old computer, which is unhooked, fragmented to the core, and runs no faster than a 90-year-old in some sort of marathon.

I fail to see my incentive for lying, though. I mean, it isn't like I'm a server Administrator attempting to make sure my server doesn't look bad, or anything. It's not like I was banned yesterday, and this is the first time I've ever spoken of these things. It's not like Halloween on EssenceRO never occurred, and I never had Administrative access after all.

The logical decision, with a lack of cold hard evidence being presented, would be to read over my recollection, search for contradictions, and consider whom would gain more from lying. As for the fact that the IRC conversation ever occurred, that can be confirmed by anyone that was present that doesn't feel the need to lie, for whatever reason. Though, I do have logs of the IRC conversations as well, as far as I'm aware. I'd have to verify whenever I decide to poke around on my old computer again.
Posted on: Mar 23, 2009, 07:48 pm
Just an update on my string of mini-reviews.

I recently stumbled across a post in a thread on EssenceRO forums, [this one, to be exact (http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=20435)], after [writing up a guide (http://syndicate.fu8.com/symfix.htm)] to fix player's problems that the staff was completely oblivious of a way to fix. The following was posted by one of the Administrators that is obviously clueless, (Har is clueless as well), and I'd like to set the records straight.

[Direct Link for Reference] (http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=20435&view=findpost&p=211505)

Quote from: HiddenDragon (March 30, 2009, 10:18 PM - Post 211505)
Har posted what I was going to but didn't have time to.

Folks, DO see this: >>> http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=14344 (http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=14344) <<<

The quick rundown goes like this:

1. Sita, a Head GM at the time requested help to fix her graphics card, to which a certain Symbiote responded

2. Symbiote coaxes her to install a VNC server on her computer (this allowed him to view her monitor and move her mouse and 'type' on her keyboard)

3. Using this VNC server, he fixed her graphics card.

4. Unknown to Sita, Symbiote made use of his access to Sita's computer to access a hidden Ceres Control Panel (hidden because it was replaced with a newer CP custom written by me). Confirmed via a statement from Sita and Web Server access logs.

5. Symbiote used a bot to run through all the accounts and logs all the passwords (visible in Ceres CP when accessed with a GM account). I confirmed this personally with webserver access logs.

6. Symbiote posts the all the passwords and usernames in a txt file inside a RAR and posts it on Tira's forum account (which happened to be the same password as her ingame).

7. Symbiote logged on ingame on various GM accounts and procedes to cause havoc.

In short:

Follow his guide at your OWN risk.

The reality is nothing of this sort. I've stated multiple times that I had unauthorized access to Administrative business for 7-8 months prior to Halloween, which was late February/early March. This was, as far as I'm aware, before "Sita" even joined EssenceRO, and it was damn well (100% fact) before she ever became a GM, let alone Head GM. Somehow the real story was morphed into some sort of "Symbiote can't do anything, he's untrustworthy and only gained access because of a GM lending him too much trust." The way the actual story goes was intended to be:

1) Sita needed help fixing an issue with her video card. We talked from time to time.

2) Sita allowed me to access her computer via RealVNC to assist her in fixing her problem.

3) I fixed her video card problems, and while she was away from her keyboard, found the "new" link to the "Old Control Panel" in her browsing history.

Now, this is significant because Hidden's half-assed new Control Panel, prettied up by Tira's web designing skills, did not have the Administrative options I needed to do the latest farm of the entire account/character database for Halloween. I had been saving weekly-to-monthly backups of the entire database, prior to ever accessing Sita's computer, prior to the "New Control Panel"'s implementation.

Put simply, the old Control Panel was removed from the public eye, and I needed to access it to get up-to-date information for my Halloween release. All that I gained from using RealVNC on Sita's computer was the URL to the Old Control Panel, which was CeresCP. No account information, no GM information, nothing. I had gained everything prior to Sita even becoming a GM.

My advice to you, Essence Staff, is stop your pitiful lying. It's getting rather old, especially if you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about (Har, HiddenDragon, LeirBag, Popsi). But, nonetheless, this is just more proof of the staff's incompetence. Within five minutes after posting my thread up with my guide, it was removed (even though a couple responses from long-time players had said it worked), and my account was banned. Even after well over 10 responses claiming that the guide is legit, the guide has not been returned, and the staff has been deleting/perhaps even warning members of the forum that link to the guide in public.

It is rather sad that the person whom caused such damage to the server on Halloween was able to resolve the weeks-long issue in less than an hour or two, but the staff, even the development staff, seemed to be incapable of any fix whatsoever, and apparently made little to no effort to find a fix, blaming the problem on Service Pack 2, even after people claimed to have the same issues with Service Pack 3.

Now to find the source.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexmix on Mar 31, 2009, 02:57 AM
nobody cares. seriously. open your own review thread if you think someone ought to pay attention to your babbling as opposed to hijacking someone else's review thread with your own... whatever you want to call it, since you still didn't provide any proof, and proof is what this section of the forum is built upon
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 03:09 AM
nobody cares. seriously. open your own review thread if you think someone ought to pay attention to your babbling as opposed to hijacking someone else's review thread with your own... whatever you want to call it, since you still didn't provide any proof, and proof is what this section of the forum is built upon

Once someone fabricates believable "counterproof," I will begin wasting my time with the real proof. In the meantime, I'll continue posting here. I suppose if JJJ wants to start my own thread with my initial response, and absolutely must, he may. But I'd really prefer continue hijacking this.

As for nobody caring, I'm not exactly sure what this section is for if "nobody cares" about what is going on at a server which is being reviewed. Sounds like you like yourself some EssenceRO asskissing. But there's only about a million "Chex"'s that play/have played Essence, can't quite call you out as a fact on it.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: HiddenDragon on Mar 31, 2009, 09:03 AM
I had to log in just to reply to more s*** coming from you Symbiote.

Frankly I find it rather funny you're still Q.Qing over being lied to, MONTHS after you were long banned. Get over it.

Second, everyone who supports EssenseRO seems to you as simply another 'asskisser'. Childish. And it's getting old.

Thirdly, posting here was intended by you, to incite some sort of drama. Hell, until you changed your forum name from EddieBrock to Symbiote you could have continued helping if you really cared about people's problems. But no, you had to change your name to one that would be recognized perhaps as a way to say "I'm back, I'm right and the eRO admins are wrong".

This is nothing more than an attempt to get attention. Fact is, you attempted to destroy the server and exposed every account's passwords. You are not honestly looking to help people.

/dramafest
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Guest on Mar 31, 2009, 09:05 AM
sigh lets try to hold some civility please =/
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 01:25 PM
I had to log in just to reply to more s*** coming from you Symbiote.

Frankly I find it rather funny you're still Q.Qing over being lied to, MONTHS after you were long banned. Get over it.

Second, everyone who supports EssenseRO seems to you as simply another 'asskisser'. Childish. And it's getting old.

Thirdly, posting here was intended by you, to incite some sort of drama. Hell, until you changed your forum name from EddieBrock to Symbiote you could have continued helping if you really cared about people's problems. But no, you had to change your name to one that would be recognized perhaps as a way to say "I'm back, I'm right and the eRO admins are wrong".

This is nothing more than an attempt to get attention. Fact is, you attempted to destroy the server and exposed every account's passwords. You are not honestly looking to help people.

/dramafest

Ahaha. So writing a truthful review is an attempt to get attention? s***, we may as well toss RateMyServer and its forums in the recycle bin. Quit being a butthurt, misinformed liar, Hidden. Posting on the forums was not intended to start drama, it was intended to help players with problems that your staff could not fix. However, I wasn't going to do it under an alias. Everyone needs to know who's putting forth the effort to assist them, while their staff was not doing so.

The alias was there because I knew your incompetent staff(you, as well) would ban me before I could post up the guide. Even after posting up the guide, though, you morons removed it, making the entire community that was experiencing the issue frantic about how to obtain the guide so they could finally fix their problems.

Everyone that supports Essence is not an "asskisser," but any one of them that ignore sensible arguments by firing off with "omg shut up nobody cares" quite obviously is. As long as people are being misinformed about this "great EssenceRO," 'MONTHS after it lost its decency' (more like many, many months, but for mocking sake, months works), I'll continue to spread word about how wrong they truly are.

However, I do appreciate your confirmation that you were wrong, and Tira/Okale were infact liars. Saves me a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexie on Mar 31, 2009, 02:19 PM
SN: Ugh. More people with my name :( To think I've used Chex / Chexie when 2nd jobs didn't even exist on official servers lol. Yeah this is the real me and no im not Chex mix.

Back to topic, I don't know what the problem with the GMs etc. are since I'm pretty new to the server but here's my honest view on the server and well I assure you it's really not biased. I don't get into the whole dramarama so take my word.

I havent really seen any names that are TOO VULGAR since most usernames i see are simply to amuse people and are just funny. I quit WoEing ages ago because of the drama involved but I mean in every server theres drama over WoE so its nothing new and just like any other server eRO has it.

eRO's main problem would be KSers sometimes. there are a big number of ksers in some maps where leveling is prominent and it does get annoying but every server has that. At least eRO has the benefit of an "@noks" command.

Regarding the economy i find it pretty stable and off course you should expect +7 and +8s, its a mid-rate server for a reason. So it's kind of expected. The 3-1 classes may not be fully working but at least its updated regularly, and the GMs are always making efforts to be online and help players. The server is stable, rarely crashes, and i mean rarely, downtime is only from 10-15 mins which is awesome. The server is also customized without being overly-gross like 999 other customized item servers out there. Community is pretty kind and the events / quests really make the game fun. Regarding lag / random-DCs, never happens. I can play properly with some minor lag which is normal.

My only reasons for your stated negative reasons would be:

a. you have a crappy PC that has bad specs
b. your net connection sux as well as your location


Regarding MVP maps being PVP maps i think its a good idea since it gives mvps more of a challenge. And rarely do people pick on lowbies.

Now regarding donations, i dont see why its anything to complain about. Donations dont really benefit the donator much. Cool pets? Headgears with not so awesome stats and a custom town. Nothing really overpowered.

I found the first review a little too exaggerated, biased and somewhat personal? So far eRO is a good server for people who wanna play for fun and with friends and im sticking to that but no review is perfect. try it for yourself and judge it for yourself.

all our experiences are different. we may not experience what others do.


Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: HiddenDragon on Mar 31, 2009, 02:43 PM
Ahaha. So writing a truthful review is an attempt to get attention? s***, we may as well toss RateMyServer and its forums in the recycle bin. Quit being a butthurt, misinformed liar, Hidden. Posting on the forums was not intended to start drama, it was intended to help players with problems that your staff could not fix. However, I wasn't going to do it under an alias. Everyone needs to know who's putting forth the effort to assist them, while their staff was not doing so.


The alias was there because I knew your incompetent staff(you, as well) would ban me before I could post up the guide. Even after posting up the guide, though, you morons removed it, making the entire community that was experiencing the issue frantic about how to obtain the guide so they could finally fix their problems.

Yet you still felt compelled to reveal yourself for whatever reason knowing FULL WELL you would be rebanned. Did not intend to cause drama? What a load of crock.

Later still, you post here on ratemyserver forums calling out the administration (specifically me/har/popsi/leirbag). Not intending to cause drama? I rest my case.







Everyone that supports Essence is not an "asskisser," but any one of them that ignore sensible arguments by firing off with "omg shut up nobody cares" quite obviously is. As long as people are being misinformed about this "great EssenceRO," 'MONTHS after it lost its decency' (more like many, many months, but for mocking sake, months works), I'll continue to spread word about how wrong they truly are.

However, I do appreciate your confirmation that you were wrong, and Tira/Okale were infact liars. Saves me a lot of trouble.

And here again, we come to the crux of the matter. You find it necessary to pursue a quest to expose Tira/Okale as liars for something that happened ages ago? How does it benefit you? Does the average player even care? The answer is they quite honestly don't. Most people on ragnarok servers play for friends/pvp/anime hats. Not to make political statements, callouts, and drama.

I suppose your non-stop cussing on IRC to Tira and your failed attempt to destroy EssenceRO say otherwise, however. Who, then is the more 'butthurt'?



JJJ, if you would please split the topic into it's own under Soap Opera that would be nice.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 03:00 PM
Yet you still felt compelled to reveal yourself for whatever reason knowing FULL WELL you would be rebanned. Did not intend to cause drama? What a load of crock.

Later still, you post here on ratemyserver forums calling out the administration (specifically me/har/popsi/leirbag). Not intending to cause drama? I rest my case.

I knew that I would be banned, but I didn't know for a fact that you guys would actually be moronic enough to remove a working guide that fixed a problem you were apparently "too good" to fix. And now that I supplied my guide, you've magically found "more information?" You thought it was a Service Pack issue. After I posted up my guide, you followed it, and found "more" information as a result of my effort. Though, my guide is still most useful. You're welcome.

If you truly want to be literal, speaking out about anything, anywhere, is "causing drama." So, nobody should do it? Come on, buddy. Surely you're smarter than that.

And here again, we come to the crux of the matter. You find it necessary to pursue a quest to expose Tira/Okale as liars for something that happened ages ago? How does it benefit you? Does the average player even care? The answer is they quite honestly don't. Most people on ragnarok servers play for friends/pvp/anime hats. Not to make political statements, callouts, and drama.

I suppose your non-stop cussing on IRC to Tira and your failed attempt to destroy EssenceRO say otherwise, however.

Let me ask you this, Hidden. Does it truly matter when it occurred? October 08 was not that long ago. Hell, EssenceRO hasn't even been around for that long. A year and a half? Holy s***, you guys are relics. Please, spare me the shenanigans. If the "average player" does not care about things that should be included in reviews, they will not read reviews. Those people are morons, but thankfully, since they don't care, they won't read me saying that!

Exposing EssenceRO for the pile of s*** it is benefits me greatly. Satisfaction. The real question is; what do I gain by sitting by, letting everyone believe the lies that were force-fed to them? Now, the answer to that is truly "nothing." Of course I'm going to go with pursuing the truth, or reality, because that's simply the kind of person that I am. Why should I let you fools get away with lying, especially when it involves myself?

In any case, Tira was a lying b****, I knew it, of course we were going to have an argument in IRC if she were so persistent to keep lying. Not quite sure where you were trying to go, there, but regarding my apparent 'failed attempt to destroy the server,' you truly are more misinformed than I initially thought. Destroying the server was not my intent when I launched on Halloween, and I knew that it wouldn't do that. Had I wasted more time on EssenceRO prior to Halloween, you better believe I would've caused all of the damage that I wanted to cause to the server. But I still like to be rather secretive about the information/planning I had obtained prior to Halloween, so I won't dwell too much on that matter, for good reason, regardless that you are, not surprisingly, wrong, again.

JJJ, if you would please split the topic into it's own under Soap Opera that would be nice.

Nope. This is now the official EssenceRO thread. Seriously, though. JJJ, if you're going to split things, talk to me first. I don't want you to slaughter it.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Dauphine on Mar 31, 2009, 04:11 PM
For someone completely unrelated, can I just say, it doesn't look good for EssenseRO from where I am standing. I've seen a lot of similar drama on my server, and I gotta say, I support HiddenDragon in this.

If the stuff she says are even half true, I rather have the ERO Staff work on it or apologize than.. well, do this what they do =/

This is just me, though, ignore me if you want, yeah.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 04:25 PM
For someone completely unrelated, can I just say, it doesn't look good for EssenseRO from where I am standing. I've seen a lot of similar drama on my server, and I gotta say, I support HiddenDragon in this.

If the stuff she says are even half true, I rather have the ERO Staff work on it or apologize than.. well, do this what they do =/

This is just me, though, ignore me if you want, yeah.

Uh. What? I don't exactly understand what you're trying to say. I see some contradictions. "It doesn't look good for EssenceRO, I side with HiddenDragon." --But HiddenDragon is supporting EssenceRO, seeing as how he is an Administrator there. And I have absolutely no idea what your third sentence means.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexie on Mar 31, 2009, 04:31 PM
For someone completely unrelated, can I just say, it doesn't look good for EssenseRO from where I am standing. I've seen a lot of similar drama on my server, and I gotta say, I support HiddenDragon in this.

If the stuff she says are even half true, I rather have the ERO Staff work on it or apologize than.. well, do this what they do =/

This is just me, though, ignore me if you want, yeah.

Uh. What? I don't exactly understand what you're trying to say. I see some contradictions. "It doesn't look good for EssenceRO, I side with HiddenDragon." --But HiddenDragon is supporting EssenceRO, seeing as how he is an Administrator there. And I have absolutely no idea what your third sentence means.

i think what this person is trying to say is that the problem should be resolved internally, and they (eRO staff should try and fix the problems) or settle the feud with you. Hopefully you guys talk it out and settle your differences. So far im enjoying the server. Hope others do as well.  For me, other than a little ks left and right, i find it to be one of the best so far. :)
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 04:34 PM
i think what this person is trying to say is that the problem should be resolved internally, and they (eRO staff should try and fix the problems) or settle the feud with you. Hopefully you guys talk it out and settle your differences. So far im enjoying the server. Hope others do as well.  For me, other than a little ks left and right, i find it to be one of the best so far. :)

I don't know how you got that from "I rather have the ERO Staff work on it or apologize than.. well, do this what they do =/." So. I'd rather hear a better explained answer out of the person that made the comment.

There are no differences to settle, though. EssenceRO staff is incompetent and corrupt, which is more than enough to make a "good" server bad. ;p Unfortunately, that's not going to change. Fortunately, however, there are at least a few people that care about how a server is ran.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: HiddenDragon on Mar 31, 2009, 04:35 PM
I knew that I would be banned, but I didn't know for a fact that you guys would actually be moronic enough to remove a working guide that fixed a problem you were apparently "too good" to fix. And now that I supplied my guide, you've magically found "more information?" You thought it was a Service Pack issue. After I posted up my guide, you followed it, and found "more" information as a result of my effort. Though, my guide is still most useful. You're welcome.

I didn't 'just' think it was a service pack issue. I stated it could have been gravity's new anti-hack protection HackShield, it could have been just not being updated or the server GRF, to which I uploaded my own from my unaffected computer, which proved not to solve the problem. The latter indicated that it was NOT related to essenceRO and thus, out of the realm of our GM team. Nowhere in my posts did I claim to have found the cause.

If you truly want to be literal, speaking out about anything, anywhere, is "causing drama." So, nobody should do it? Come on, buddy. Surely you're smarter than that.

Correct, it isn't necessary. Who's gonna care when EssenceRO is dead in x years, or Ragnarok Online itself is dead in x more years? Have a look in Soap Opera and tell me how many of those actually matter. Drama has only one purpose, and that's to persuade the opinions of another person (the "crowd"). However this does not reflect what RMS is for. Rudolph said it best in the first page - what you make of it is entirely for you (and I add, for you alone). Your chance to speak out comes in the form of making reviews, so make one.

Let me ask you this, Hidden. Does it truly matter when it occurred? October 08 was not that long ago. Hell, EssenceRO hasn't even been around for that long. A year and a half? Holy s***, you guys are relics. Please, spare me the shenanigans. If the "average player" does not care about things that should be included in reviews, they will not read reviews. Those people are morons, but thankfully, since they don't care, they won't read me saying that!

Of course it matters when it occurred. If you have that much time to pursue your 'quest' then perhaps you should rethink your life priorities.

Yes people will read reviews; as I said they will be their own experiences however.

Exposing EssenceRO for the pile of s*** it is benefits me greatly. Satisfaction. The real question is; what do I gain by sitting by, letting everyone believe the lies that were force-fed to them? Now, the answer to that is truly "nothing." Of course I'm going to go with pursuing the truth, or reality, because that's simply the kind of person that I am. Why should I let you fools get away with lying, especially when it involves myself?

Yes why should you? You yourself admitted on page 2 that the lying itself was relatively trivial. If your ban was somewhat controversial, you gave more than enough justification via your actions in October.

In any case, Tira was a lying b****, I knew it, of course we were going to have an argument in IRC if she were so persistent to keep lying. Not quite sure where you were trying to go, there, but regarding my apparent 'failed attempt to destroy the server,' you truly are more misinformed than I initially thought. Destroying the server was not my intent when I launched on Halloween, and I knew that it wouldn't do that. Had I wasted more time on EssenceRO prior to Halloween, you better believe I would've caused all of the damage that I wanted to cause to the server. But I still like to be rather secretive about the information/planning I had obtained prior to Halloween, so I won't dwell too much on that matter, for good reason, regardless that you are, not surprisingly, wrong, again.

If I happen to be wrong about your intentions in October...then what? I'll suddenly resign from my Admin position? Your actions speak for themselves.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Dauphine on Mar 31, 2009, 04:41 PM
To make it short, I, after scanning the posts, got the impression that Staff keeps denying like crazy what HiddenDragon says is going on, when the possibility is that she is speaking the truth.

Seeing that kind of attitude and reading the original post, and then some, made me decide things aren't looking as great as they can be. Unless the Staff decides they are working for the players and not for themselves (a hard thing to do, granted), I don't see much improvement coming from such a populair server =/

 Sorry if I am being unclear, it's been a long long looong day.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 04:58 PM
I didn't 'just' think it was a service pack issue. I stated it could have been gravity's new anti-hack protection HackShield, it could have been just not being updated or the server GRF, to which I uploaded my own from my unaffected computer, which proved not to solve the problem. The latter indicated that it was NOT related to essenceRO and thus, out of the realm of our GM team. Nowhere in my posts did I claim to have found the cause.

http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=20435&st=320&p=211241&#entry211241
http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=20435&st=340&p=211252&#entry211252

And even after I diagnosed the actual problem, you continue to suggest people f*** around with their Service Pack:

http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=20435&st=360&p=211341&#entry211341

The point is, you kept pressing for one solution even after people claimed that it was not the problem, and didn't do jack s*** to attempt to figure out what the real cause was. Throwing random suggestions and random possibilities into the mix isn't going to help anybody. Google is a wonderful tool. Not like you aren't the head developer over at Essence, or anything, right? However, the problem is confined to EssenceRO. I haven't seen a single other server complain about the issues, and if you'd like to correct me, please. Please link me to these other server's forums, with players complaining about the same exact problem in masses. I'll help them as well.

Correct, it isn't necessary. Who's gonna care when EssenceRO is dead in x years, or Ragnarok Online itself is dead in x more years? Have a look in Soap Opera and tell me how many of those actually matter. Drama has only one purpose, and that's to persuade the opinions of another person (the "crowd"). However this does not reflect what RMS is for. Rudolph said it best in the first page - what you make of it is entirely for you (and I add, for you alone). Your chance to speak out comes in the form of making reviews, so make one.

So you're confirming that you think no one should speak out about anything, ever? I think you're just pulling s*** out of your a** since you know you, and the staff, are in the wrong. As one of the Administrators of EssenceRO, I'd assume that you should be one of those people that care how long EssenceRO lives. But that's alright, keep on supporting my points.

Rudolph is an alias of "Melchior," whom just so happens to be, gasp, an ex-Moderator for EssenceRO forums. God forbid a staff member/ex staff member say good things about the server they work(ed) for, and be full of complete s***. RateMyServer's review system is solely for short, half-assed reviews. The review section in their forums is for extended reviews, and anything/everything regarding the integrity of a server. I'm not out of bounds, no matter how much you wish that I were so that this all would go away.

Of course it matters when it occurred. If you have that much time to pursue your 'quest' then perhaps you should rethink your life priorities.

No, Hidden. It doesn't matter at all when something occurred, unless a few changes have occurred. Has the staff and its members had a complete overhaul? No. Has the staff shown great effort to change their ways? No, and you're a prime example, spouting off about s*** you have zero clue about, and continuing to lie in Tira's place.

Yes why should you? You yourself admitted on page 2 that the lying itself was relatively trivial. If your ban was somewhat controversial, you gave more than enough justification via your actions in October.

I don't understand where you're trying to go with this. The lying itself was not worth it, is what I mentioned, not that it didn't matter that Tira was lying. It was simply that much worse that she was lying about something so god damn stupid, and extraordinarily moronic that she banned me for telling the truth about it. Halloween is irrelevant to why I was banned on your part. It was simply my way of taking a steaming s*** on liars. In other words, the majority of Essence Staff.

If I happen to be wrong about your intentions in October...then what? I'll suddenly resign from my Admin position? Your actions speak for themselves.

Again, I'm not quite sure where you're attempting to go. Did I claim you'd resign from your Admin position if you were wrong, which, you are? No. That'd be silly. However, a better reason to resign from your Admin position is the apparent (faked-as-an-attempt-to-pass-my-comments-off-easier) lack of care that you have about the server.

Please, Vince! Don't take so long to respond, next time. You were typing up that response for, like, an hour. Which is pretty interesting, considering you're talking about me wasting my time. Honestly, if no one cares, as you claim, why are you "wasting" your time?

To make it short, I, after scanning the posts, got the impression that Staff keeps denying like crazy what HiddenDragon says is going on, when the possibility is that she is speaking the truth.

Seeing that kind of attitude and reading the original post, and then some, made me decide things aren't looking as great as they can be. Unless the Staff decides they are working for the players and not for themselves (a hard thing to do, granted), I don't see much improvement coming from such a populair server =/

 Sorry if I am being unclear, it's been a long long looong day.

It's okay, Dauphine. You're completely correct. EssenceRO isn't looking good at all.

(P.S. What the f***'s up with the censor words here? They're retarded as hell. Donkey in place of the other word for butt? Come on.)
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: HiddenDragon on Mar 31, 2009, 05:25 PM
And even after I diagnosed the actual problem, you continue to suggest people f*** around with their Service Pack:

HMMM, maybe because someone upgraded from SP2 to SP3 and it worked?
http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=20435&view=findpost&p=211224

Wow, maybe I shouldn't suggest something that worked.

http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?showtopic=20435&st=360&p=211341&#entry211341

The point is, you kept pressing for one solution even after people claimed that it was not the problem, and didn't do jack s*** to attempt to figure out what the real cause was. Throwing random suggestions and random possibilities into the mix isn't going to help anybody. Google is a wonderful tool. Not like you aren't the head developer over at Essence, or anything, right? However, the problem is confined to EssenceRO. I haven't seen a single other server complain about the issues, and if you'd like to correct me, please. Please link me to these other server's forums, with players complaining about the same exact problem in masses. I'll help them as well.

Open your damn eyes.  I stated "For now, you can try virus scanning your computer. Upgrading Windows XP to SP3 seems to have helped those who tried it (since it reinstalls core windows files again) or using System Restore (if it was enabled) to restore back to an earlier point in time."

Clearly, I've insisted on only one solution.


So you're confirming that you think no one should speak out about anything, ever? I think you're just pulling s*** out of your a** since you know you, and the staff, are in the wrong. As one of the Administrators of EssenceRO, I'd assume that you should be one of those people that care how long EssenceRO lives. But that's alright, keep on supporting my points.

I never ever stated that nobody should speak out. I also never stated that I don't care how long essence lives. But thanks for trying to pull words out of my mouth.

Rudolph is an alias of "Melchior," whom just so happens to be, gasp, an ex-Moderator for EssenceRO forums. God forbid a staff member/ex staff member say good things about the server they work(ed) for, and be full of complete s***. RateMyServer's review system is solely for short, half-assed reviews. The review section in their forums is for extended reviews, and anything/everything regarding the integrity of a server. I'm not out of bounds, no matter how much you wish that I were so that this all would go away.

*Gasp* I guess being an ex-staffer suddenly means his opinions are worthless? People leave staff for all sorts of reasons be it good or bad. Just because he conflicts with your opinion doesn't make him automatically worthless.

No, Hidden. It doesn't matter at all when something occurred, unless a few changes have occurred. Has the staff and its members had a complete overhaul? No. Has the staff shown great effort to change their ways? No, and you're a prime example, spouting off about s*** you have zero clue about, and continuing to lie in Tira's place.
Yet where is the proof you've stated several times over? As of right now, nobody knows if what you say is true. I also ask again, who honestly cares (besides yourself)?


I don't understand where you're trying to go with this. The lying itself was not worth it, is what I mentioned, not that it didn't matter that Tira was lying. It was simply that much worse that she was lying about something so god damn stupid, and extraordinarily moronic that she banned me for telling the truth about it. Halloween is irrelevant to why I was banned on your part. It was simply my way of taking a steaming s*** on liars. In other words, the majority of Essence Staff.

As I recall, your forum warn level was approaching the 100% mark (if I take the time I could pull off a dozen+ posts of you calling others fags). I don't think you were banned for telling the truth, rather from the swearing/cussing explosion that happened in IRC (to which I wasn't there and cannot comment on) in addition to several other in game abuse reports.

Again, I'm not quite sure where you're attempting to go. Did I claim you'd resign from your Admin position if you were wrong, which, you are? No. That'd be silly. However, a better reason to resign from your Admin position is the apparent (faked-as-an-attempt-to-pass-my-comments-off-easier) lack of care that you have about the server.

The lack of care apparently, that doubled the server's population since the wipe.




This is getting beyond ridiculous. I believe I've already said everything I need to say.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 05:48 PM
HMMM, maybe because someone upgraded from SP2 to SP3 and it worked?

Wow, maybe I shouldn't suggest something that worked.

HMMM, even suggesting it after people said that they had SP3 and still had the same problem?! Please. The only reason updating from Service Pack 2 to Service Pack 3 was that it overwrote the damn registry entries that my guide fixed, anyway.

Open your damn eyes.  I stated "For now, you can try virus scanning your computer. Upgrading Windows XP to SP3 seems to have helped those who tried it (since it reinstalls core windows files again) or using System Restore (if it was enabled) to restore back to an earlier point in time."

Clearly, I've insisted on only one solution.

My eyes are open. People had stated, multiple times, that their virus scanners either did not open, or did not return any results. Yet, instead of verifying that my guide was clean, which wasn't difficult, considering there were a flood of people that used my guide with success, and Guide #2 out of the two guides I made required zero downloads of files created by myself (only official software, from official links), you decided to continue to press people to do something completely irrelevant to fixing the actual problem. You're pathetic.

I never ever stated that nobody should speak out. I also never stated that I don't care how long essence lives. But thanks for trying to pull words out of my mouth.

What are you talking about? "You're just trying to cause drama because you're speaking out against our wrongs, Symbiote!"

Read your posts. You've constantly implied, to benefit yourself, that speaking out is only causing drama. I don't put words in anyone's mouth, I lay out the obvious for those that cannot see it.

*Gasp* I guess being an ex-staffer suddenly means his opinions are worthless? People leave staff for all sorts of reasons be it good or bad. Just because he conflicts with your opinion doesn't make him automatically worthless.

It's quite obvious that someone that was on the staff is likely going to be biased, especially if they didn't leave for any bad reason. Is his opinion about the server in general worthless? No. Is it less important than that of someone that wasn't a staff member? Yes. Nobody cares what a staff member has to say about their server for a general review. I know for a fact Melchior's just licking away.

As I recall, your forum warn level was approaching the 100% mark (if I take the time I could pull off a dozen+ posts of you calling others fags). I don't think you were banned for telling the truth, rather from the swearing/cussing explosion that happened in IRC (to which I wasn't there and cannot comment on) in addition to several other in game abuse reports.

Yes, you obviously weren't even there. You were too busy playing Secret Behind-the-scenes Admin, until I came along and f*** s*** up and Tira had to expose that the whiny guy that had abandoned the server when wipe occurred due to duplicated items, which I was responsible for finding out, had come back to play Administrator. Regardless, no. My Warning level was well below 100% at the time I was banned, and warnings only increased 10% per. That was only the forums, anyway, thus, even if I were to have hit 100%, my ban would've solely been forum.

I was banned from the game before I even exploded in IRC, and I was banned from the game for simply telling someone that I was arguing with Tira and Okale in IRC about lies they were telling people. It was obviously over me telling the truth, and trying to deny it, while using common sense and putting together the events, is absolutely retarded. There were zero abuse reports about me at the time of my ban. I'd know, right? I had as much access as you. Actually, even more access than you at the time to the forums.

The lack of care apparently, that doubled the server's population since the wipe.

"*Gasp*" You must be referring to the 3rd class implementation recruitment ploy. Congratulations, buddy. You took advantage of the fact that kRO hasn't even completed 3rd classes, let alone eAthena, and decided to implement them, with all their unfinished (kRO will obviously change skills before their final release) skills, in all their horrid glory. The population boomed. Why? You know why. People are retarded, and no matter how bad a server is at this moment, if they have 3rd classes, people are going to play it. Recruitment ploy. An obvious one, at that. I sure bet you're proud of yourself.

(Edit: Made a continuity mistake.)
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Guest on Mar 31, 2009, 06:27 PM
symbiote watch your langauge please....
and really guys, can all of you keep it civil... X.x
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Descent on Mar 31, 2009, 06:55 PM
symbiote watch your langauge please....
and really guys, can all of you keep it civil... X.x

Civil?

These two are saints comparing to some others.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: HiddenDragon on Mar 31, 2009, 07:02 PM
I don't believe this is worth continuing anymore JJJ. There is no point arguing with someone resorting to harsh language and insults.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 08:19 PM
I don't believe this is worth continuing anymore JJJ. There is no point arguing with someone resorting to harsh language and insults.

Ah, but of course. How could I not see this coming? "u cuss, nothin u say has merit." Old.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Irrelevant on Mar 31, 2009, 08:49 PM
symbiote watch your langauge please....
and really guys, can all of you keep it civil... X.x

Mostly everything is edited down by the filter. Save a few obvious techniques to bypass it. Like this: Shit. Besides of all that, whoever enabled the filter made a false assumption, namely, that we don't understand what "s***" and "b****" means and that it isn't equally offensive (not) to read it that way.

Point being, they're being civil. Being offended by cuss words is for kids, really.

Fallacy ad hominem.

Way to lose at debating, bud.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: HiddenDragon on Mar 31, 2009, 08:56 PM
I don't believe this is worth continuing anymore JJJ. There is no point arguing with someone resorting to harsh language and insults.

Ah, but of course. How could I not see this coming? "u cuss, nothin u say has merit." Old.

Frankly, I don't see the need to drop down to the use of cuss words to get my point across. Professional debate is void of cuss words for this very reason.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Pow on Mar 31, 2009, 09:04 PM
I don't believe this is worth continuing anymore JJJ. There is no point arguing with someone resorting to harsh language and insults.

Poor JJJ, having to make all these decisions herself.


Topic is clean, continue with your pointless 'professional debate'

-Pow
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Guest on Mar 31, 2009, 09:22 PM
Poor JJJ, having to make all these decisions herself.


Topic is clean, continue with your pointless 'professional debate'

-Pow
xD im not even sure what you removed ^^;;;
*shows how much attention i gave this topic*


and the thing about the language, even though we do have a filter, its still bad language....
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Mar 31, 2009, 09:41 PM
Frankly, I don't see the need to drop down to the use of cuss words to get my point across. Professional debate is void of cuss words for this very reason.

That's wonderful. I don't recall anyone forcing you to "drop down to the use of cuss words to get your point across," yet you're still dropping out, no? I'm sure as hell not 'using cuss words to get my point across.' I'm using cuss words because they're " f*** " words. You obviously need to get past that little matter.

"Professional debate" is void of people trying to ramble off-topic, or come up with irrelevant excuses in attempt to derail the other's argument.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: LemonCrosswalk on Mar 31, 2009, 11:28 PM
This is the thread that never ends~
Yes it goes on and on my friend~
Some people started fighting trying to create quite a buzz~
And they'll keep on responding just because~
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Hrist on Apr 01, 2009, 05:42 AM
I still don't see any screenshots of anything related to corruption. You know, its not fun reading through walls of text and come out empty handed. All I see are Gravity Errors, Fuxing (yes, I said fuxing) up your windows registry (which is the first time I encountered since RO is quite easy to configure and fix).

Where's the corruption?! All I see are *snickers* debates regarding some random QQ in which I lost track of.

Sorry, I just had to say it. I still think visuals > drama any day.

Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 01, 2009, 07:08 AM
I still don't see any screenshots of anything related to corruption. You know, its not fun reading through walls of text and come out empty handed. All I see are Gravity Errors, Fuxing (yes, I said fuxing) up your windows registry (which is the first time I encountered since RO is quite easy to configure and fix).

Where's the corruption?! All I see are *snickers* debates regarding some random QQ in which I lost track of.

Sorry, I just had to say it. I still think visuals > drama any day.

Pretty sure you didn't read the entire thread. Sucks.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Hrist on Apr 01, 2009, 08:24 AM
I still don't see any screenshots of anything related to corruption. You know, its not fun reading through walls of text and come out empty handed. All I see are Gravity Errors, Fuxing (yes, I said fuxing) up your windows registry (which is the first time I encountered since RO is quite easy to configure and fix).

Where's the corruption?! All I see are *snickers* debates regarding some random QQ in which I lost track of.

Sorry, I just had to say it. I still think visuals > drama any day.

Pretty sure you didn't read the entire thread. Sucks.

Like I said, I just browsed since I got bored of long posts.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure as hell I'm not an EssenceRO supporter, but I still need to see solid proof, not just wall of texts.

I just might read through it this time, but whatever. Have fun in your crusade.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 01, 2009, 10:07 AM
Not exactly sure why Descent's post was removed. It wasn't off-topic. Nor was Irrelevant's.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Descent on Apr 01, 2009, 10:51 AM
Not exactly sure why Descent's post was removed. It wasn't off-topic. Nor was Irrelevant's.

Because 3Jane can't mod if you put a knife to her throat. Apparently, only you and Hidden are allowed to post in this thread.

Bah screw it. Wouldn't change anything regardless.

Back to AceCombat X until more replies come.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Zone on Apr 01, 2009, 12:31 PM
Interesting post.
I'm going to think and come back later.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Rudolph Zyaber on Apr 01, 2009, 05:42 PM
I wouldn't say I'm kissing/licking anyones butt, I quit being a moderator because 1) it was boring and 2) I had too much work to do.

you would think I would have learned my lesson the first time after I found out how boring being a GM on ValkyrieRO was, but I guess I'm a slow learner.

I say I'm not kissing anyones donkey because for the most part I agreed with the majority of this Reviews statements, although I would have to say that most of the complaints they would have with Essence, they would have with any other moderately high pop. server these days as well.  I also don't see the complaint a lot of reviewers are having with Cliques and groupings of players sticking to themselves.  You join one, you make friends, you make enemies, everyone has a good time.  Would you prefer that you were friends with everyone on the server and so was everyone else and there was no e-drama or WoE or PVP competition? boring!  Sure, I admit everyone could be a fair bit nicer on Essence, but if anyone is to blame for that, it would have to be the players moreso than the Admins.  They do all the work and get crapped on because some people can't handle a few Kill steals and a bit of trashtalk.  But the problem most of the have is they don't report it or provide sufficient evidence.  The print Screen button takes screenshots and you can save chatlogs I believe.  Learn2doso people.

Anyway, what I mainly want to do around here is to make sure Essence gets the recognition it deserves.  It handled the Wipe last summer very well.  Has rebounded almost immediately after Symbiotes deletion of the majority of the forums, and a simple rollback fixed anything he did in-game.  It has ran for over a year now without any overly major hiccups and has done so without any retarded overpowered donation items to drag down the quality of the gaming experience. They have to my knowledge done nothing that rewards being called corrupt or incompetent, except for maybe Sita who was dumb enough to add Symbiote to her MSN and allow him access to her computer.

 While I admit the community has its problems, anything you experience in Essence is the same you will experience in any other online community in any other game that lets you be somewhat competitive.  Go to the freaking super smash bros. brawl forums and try and voice an opinion as a new player, you will get torn to pieces for not knowing anything or being around long enough.  That is the nature of online gaming. New players are trashed on and the longer lasting ones get applause. It happens anywhere.

If anything, Essence doesn't get enough respect in the RO community and RMS and the majority of the concerns of the OP in this particular review are somewhat minor ones.  The server is up constantly, has regular fairly competitive WoEs every week, has the majority of 3rd class skills working but disabled in PVP/WoE as to not be imbalanced and has no donation or overpowered bullcrap in the game.  They are still buggy because they are still in development even in kro test servers.

As to what Symb and Hidden are fighting over, I couldn't give a Rats A$$.  What they are talking about for the most part has barely any meaning on the ingame experience of the community or is in anyway relevant to this review and for the most part, as far as I can see, Technical issues presented on the forums are handled skillfuly and quickly by both the staff and the community. 

Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Descent on Apr 01, 2009, 06:22 PM
Oh give it a friggin' rest. You people have put yourselves on a pedestal since day one, and you wonder why you don't get any respect.

Quote from: Another EssenceRO Sycophant
If anything, Essence doesn't get enough respect in the RO community and RMS and the majority of the concerns of the OP in this particular review are somewhat minor ones.

.....right. You've got to be kidding me.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 02, 2009, 08:28 PM
As to what Symb and Hidden are fighting over, I couldn't give a Rats A$$.  What they are talking about for the most part has barely any meaning on the ingame experience of the community or is in anyway relevant to this review and for the most part, as far as I can see, Technical issues presented on the forums are handled skillfuly and quickly by both the staff and the community.

I read Descent's response and quote of you, laughed, and scrolled down to this paragraph of yours. How exactly is the way the staff handles their server irrelevant to the in-game experience? Obviously, people can't even play in-game if the staff is unwilling to fix their technical issues, which, I was able to do. And if someone just so happens to know the truth about something that the staff is adamant to hide, they could get a ban from the game. People had been having the same technical issue, which affected even more than just Ragnarok, for over week, some people even longer, yet, I was able to come along and solve the problem in less than 24 hours, only to get the fix removed by the staff. Please, Melchior. Spare us.
Posted on: Apr 01, 2009, 06:32 pm
http://forums.essencero.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=20387&view=findpost&p=212963

Surprise, surprise. Turns out I was correct. The virus was at the fault of the staff, the epidemic was confined to EssenceRO. I knew the only sensible culprit was the patcher(s). I also released a program (http://syndicate.fu8.com/symfix.htm) to specifically fix the fault. Surprisingly, it hasn't been removed yet from Essence forums. Likely because it's located at the same URL as the guide I put up before, which everyone kept linking to despite the staff's persistence to remove the link.

So, hey guys! Play EssenceRO. Enjoy your poorly managed security, and thank a banned guy for assisting you, something the staff didn't seem very educated/interested in doing, when you receive a virus from their patcher.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Aozora on Apr 04, 2009, 04:07 PM
It handled the Wipe last summer very well.

This right here. "Handled a wipe very well"? Servers should not handle wipes for any reason whatsoever unless it's specifically stated that "This server will wipe every X months". If a server wipes, in my eyes that server fails immediately no matter what the reason is. Wipe because GM went berserk? Backups. Wipe because people hacked your server? Backups. If your server is ran properly by smart and professional staff then the most that should happen is a week or two rollback at most. Preferably the server Owner should make backups multiple times a week in order to prevent data loss. If you don't have backups, you fail. If you don't use backups you just clearly show that you don't give a s*** about your community.

Bottom line is; There should never, absolutely never be a need for a full wipe unless either a) you specifically want to start from a fresh b) the server periodically wipes.

has the majority of 3rd class skills working but disabled in PVP/WoE as to not be imbalanced and has no donation or overpowered bullcrap in the game.  They are still buggy because they are still in development even in kro test servers.

This is another thing that I can never comprehend in Essence. Why in the name of everything that represents RO, would you implement 3rd classes? It is just completely idiotic and the staff completely disregards any notions of game balance in PvM. 3rd classes were never meant to work with old mechanics, that's why they're still in the sakray renewal server. The renewal mechanics are being tweaked and so are the classes, so why would you implement them into an environment where they were never designed to be played with? It's like opening a screw with a hammer, it just simply doesn't work.
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: netnubie on Apr 05, 2009, 12:19 PM
Lol, I was crying hoarse about the patcher error for a week in all places except Old Payon (hate the place).
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Chexmix on Apr 08, 2009, 03:29 AM
nobody cares. seriously. open your own review thread if you think someone ought to pay attention to your babbling as opposed to hijacking someone else's review thread with your own... whatever you want to call it, since you still didn't provide any proof, and proof is what this section of the forum is built upon

Once someone fabricates believable "counterproof," I will begin wasting my time with the real proof. In the meantime, I'll continue posting here. I suppose if JJJ wants to start my own thread with my initial response, and absolutely must, he may. But I'd really prefer continue hijacking this.

As for nobody caring, I'm not exactly sure what this section is for if "nobody cares" about what is going on at a server which is being reviewed. Sounds like you like yourself some EssenceRO asskissing. But there's only about a million "Chex"'s that play/have played Essence, can't quite call you out as a fact on it.


so I've not logged in for a while and I apologize if this is derailing the thread further, but since it's addressed directly to me I have to respond.
No, I never played EssenceRO so what the f*** would I "asskiss" for? I asked for proof, as did everyone else, because that would have given your review credibility instead of it just being hearsay. But whatevs, cry more I guess, you're doing a good job of it thus far.

ETA: @Chexie or whatever, nobody stole "your name", CHEX MIX IS A SNACK. But thanks for acknowledging that everyone is able to have a different experience with servers, that's something most people here fail to grasp.

Just wanted to get that out. That said, continue bickering I guess
Title: Re: EssenceRO
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 08, 2009, 04:20 AM
so I've not logged in for a while and I apologize if this is derailing the thread further, but since it's addressed directly to me I have to respond.
No, I never played EssenceRO so what the f*** would I "asskiss" for? I asked for proof, as did everyone else, because that would have given your review credibility instead of it just being hearsay. But whatevs, cry more I guess, you're doing a good job of it thus far.

As you proven in your other post (http://www.ratemyserver.net/forum/index.php/topic,9141.msg64349.html#msg64349), making the effort to gather all the evidence I have for every claim I have would ultimately be futile, because of morons like yourself.