Elaria Woon Reloaded

[Sarin]

Thats just one of many things he was writing. He was calling my father a nig ger and insulting many other players.
IF you really think it is not out of line, lets check how will any actual jew react to this.

So you are apparently saying, its ok to be homophobic and racist in order to shut somebodys up?

Proof? I haven't seen anything like that in game yet. You certainly haven't shown anything serious, and your accusations without proof are not helping your case.
There's a simple rule about such cases. Don't deal it if you can't take it. This guy was insulting and got responded in kind.

You heard from whom? "Repeated multiclienting" thats funny. So you are saying its ok to ban somebody for something that isnt even in the server rules without previous warning and its ok to brake own server rules without any consequence?

This logic is prepostrous.

Nihad is nothing but coward since he was afraid of confrontation in forum with the rest staff of the server.

You can't read. The rule was there from the start, and frequently pops up on splash screens and ingame tips.

You tried to see just how far you can go, and got banned...and now you're bashing the server because of it. That's all I see here.

[Inspired]

^write with normal colour. Making your messages colourful is an obvious attempt of manipulation (drawing people's attention towards your post instead of others). Also it makes you look like an attention whore.
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And if there is a single person out there who claims Nihad isn't toxic - well, you probably don't follow #main, right? This server had a huge chance to achieve something stable, but emotionally underdeveloped admin ruined it. It will be all over around November, so don't even bother playing.

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I certainly hope you find the irony here. Pot, meet kettle. Or, is calling someone an attention whore permissible? (Hypocrisy incoming!) 

I will not apologize for using a feature that is provided in the forum. It happens to make things easier for me to read so it does have a purpose. Sorry that the reason is not nearly as nefarious as you'd imagine. 

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I do follow #main but am in USA time zones. 

You may certainly claim that Nihad is the toxic behind the server. But the honest question -- why did you leave the server? Was it because of him? Because friends were banned? Have you left the server?

[Bottles]

I'd like to note that I am in no way affiliated with Edekk.

However, your (almost nearly as) hostile rebuttal to his review is certainly providing the evidence for the 'toxic #main environment' he mentioned.

[Styx]

In general the current Ro community does use freedom of speech to justify they can say almost anything they want.
The main chat can become quite rude easy, they call it liberation and progress.
I see it more as ignoring the value of moral standards and going back in time to a more primitive situation but whatever, in general I don't pay too much attention on it.

As any server there are things you like and things you won't like.
I did watch a conversation in main chat from a player who previous did cheat deliberately against all warnings and messages not to AFK in BG and he was jailed for it as punishment when he continued to do so, even bragging in main chat about it. The player was extremely rude in main chat, even for the current standards, he was warned several times to stop it but he refused to do so.
So, he asked for it and got banned. All quite logic and it seems it was the best improvement for the server so far.

[Edekk]

I like that people discuss and not everybody agrees with me.

Im not even angry i got banned, im upset because some of you think its ok to act like Nihad did.

You want me to send some more proof but i dont screenshot everything because im simply busy in the game or dont pay attention to main. I had one and it wasnt the first nor last accident from what my friends said on teamspeak.

So u are saying u are a teacher and u are protecting him because? If one of your students ditched some lessons what would u do? Kick him from the school or call his parents? The irony.

All quite logic and it seems it was the best improvement for the server so far.

So the server is more poor than i expected.

[Inspired]

So u are saying u are a teacher and u are protecting him because? If one of your students ditched some lessons what would u do? Kick him from the school or call his parents? The irony.

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As a teacher and disciplinarian, I had to deal with the balance of young adults who were too sensitive or too offensive. The plain truth is that there is no such thing as a 'safe space' in the real world; if you've been on the internet, you can see how impossible that is.

---Dissect the actual words of the post, though. What was said, the context, and the meaning. I may be seen as 'defending' the comment simply because I have broken down the specific situation in question and came to the conclusion that it would not have been grounds to punish a young adult. This is the only evidence that has been presented to me and, as such, it is the only evidence that I can use in my evaluation of the situation. That is far from being a character witness that is 'defending' someone. Nihad is an adult; he's got big boy pants. He could defend himself if he felt the situation warranted it.

As far as I go --- this isn't a "with me or against me" mentality that I have. Most people are neutral parties that will offer their two cents where applicable. I put my two cents in where I disagreed with a sentiment put forward. Does that mean I resent the poster? No. I'm not a 12 year old that holds grudges. I may respond to the posts that are personally directed at me (or implied to reference me) to provide a point of clarification. Let the chips fall where they may. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

[Styx]

I like that people discuss and not everybody agrees with me.

Im not even angry i got banned, im upset because some of you think its ok to act like Nihad did.

You want me to send some more proof but i dont screenshot everything because im simply busy in the game or dont pay attention to main. I had one and it wasnt the first nor last accident from what my friends said on teamspeak.

So u are saying u are a teacher and u are protecting him because? If one of your students ditched some lessons what would u do? Kick him from the school or call his parents? The irony.

So the server is more poor than i expected.

You don't need to send me proof. I was online and did see the entire conversation.
It wasn't your first outrageous chat in public main, on repeat you were way over the line.
You have to realize that some players could take offense of what you say in public and did complain about it.
Certainly, you are not the only one doing that. However, a crucial moment is when a GM asks a player to stop with it, warning several times.
If you can't pull yourself together at that moment there is no other solution as a ban.
He can't let you walk away with it and he didn't.

If a student ditch some lessons, I probably would have a private conversation with that student.
Beside from my approach, if a student keeps ditching lessons it is a demand for serious powerplay who is in charge.
A teacher is also responsible for other students following the same lesson and want to finish their education.
Some pay quite some money for it.
You have to protect them against someone who is disturbing their future, or, in your case a server.
For that matter it was an improvement for the server.

[Styx]

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As a teacher and disciplinarian, I had to deal with the balance of young adults who were too sensitive or too offensive. The plain truth is that there is no such thing as a 'safe space' in the real world; if you've been on the internet, you can see how impossible that is.

---Dissect the actual words of the post, though. What was said, the context, and the meaning. I may be seen as 'defending' the comment simply because I have broken down the specific situation in question and came to the conclusion that it would not have been grounds to punish a young adult. This is the only evidence that has been presented to me and, as such, it is the only evidence that I can use in my evaluation of the situation. That is far from being a character witness that is 'defending' someone. Nihad is an adult; he's got big boy pants. He could defend himself if he felt the situation warranted it.

As far as I go --- this isn't a "with me or against me" mentality that I have. Most people are neutral parties that will offer their two cents where applicable. I put my two cents in where I disagreed with a sentiment put forward. Does that mean I resent the poster? No. I'm not a 12 year old that holds grudges. I may respond to the posts that are personally directed at me (or implied to reference me) to provide a point of clarification. Let the chips fall where they may. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

Well, if you claim to be a teacher and a disciplinarian I can't acknowledge you really are without further proof but you will understand of course.
Based on the evidence here it would be quite poor indeed and I am just a char witness, so for you that has no value.
In your situation probably I would come the conclusion that I need more information to say something serious about this case.
However, you don't need or ask more information to come to an conclusion. That seems a bit careless for a disciplinarian, normally they don't do that so easy.
You claim that you know who Nihad is, you are aware that he is an adult. You even know he's got big boy pants.
If a disciplinarian say so we don't have to doubt it and you can proof it.
Then this could make your neutral position questionable, don't you agree?

[jacobo_bobo]

So sad..It seems they spent more time on their fancy website than on the server itself..

What I don't understand is why server owners close their old servers, change names and make a new one doing exactly the same thing they did on their previous failed server.. Definition of crazy if i'm not mistaken.

I don't see the server lasting long.. generally servers this young should be on the upside and growing/peaking daily but it seems this one is already declining.

Tip for the owners: Do something different. There are already dozens of other servers exactly like yours.

[DarkDevine]

So sad..It seems they spent more time on their fancy website than on the server itself..

What I don't understand is why server owners close their old servers, change names and make a new one doing exactly the same thing they did on their previous failed server.. Definition of crazy if i'm not mistaken.

I don't see the server lasting long.. generally servers this young should be on the upside and growing/peaking daily but it seems this one is already declining.

Tip for the owners: Do something different. There are already dozens of other servers exactly like yours.

Why do something different? The previous system worked, hundreds of dumb players join it, waste their time on NPCs they wrote in a few minutes, pay lots of money for virtual items, admin buys a new car, players slowly realize they are being ripped off, server goes down, admin makes a new one, new name, new game, isn't it? People join again, buy crap again, rinse and repeat.

There are really few admins that are in this for RO, not for money.

[Styx]

Why do something different? The previous system worked, hundreds of dumb players join it, waste their time on NPCs they wrote in a few minutes, pay lots of money for virtual items, admin buys a new car, players slowly realize they are being ripped off, server goes down, admin makes a new one, new name, new game, isn't it? People join again, buy crap again, rinse and repeat.

There are really few admins that are in this for RO, not for money.

Yes but that is another general issue. It isn't something specific for this server.
It all doesn't matter as long as a player finds entertainment. It isn't wise to donate for anything else.
Probably I wouldn't do that for this server. They have nothing what you can use beside try to sell it for zeny.
The original game is broken by macro's and 3thparty programs most players don't even know how to play without them.
They haven't the slightest idea how it really was. Also, there are no good emulators for pre-renewal in development, all of them are too much based and infected by Renewal.

This topic is about something else, if you start a server you better think twice what kinda player you want to attract.
If it is based on the current top guilds, I doubt it will last for long indeed.

[snowblind]

edit: irrational GMs as usual. Don't bother

[Bottles]

His 6th 'clarification' bullet just made me chuckle. Just replace every instance of 'vision' with opinion.

Did I read that right under Warper Quest Maps? They just changed the name of the VIP system to "Unlockable Maps Section".....

I fully understand that it takes time to integrate the gameplay that's desired into the emulator, however this is something that should have been worked on prior to the server's release. I can understand having more people available to test these things expedites the process too, but it comes with the cost of making your server/staff look quite incompetent with the promise of that will come in future updates. It would be different if these were new or custom features but they're not, these are things like devo, amplify magic, pnuema, sanc, not working properly. I'm sure there are more I'm missing

[snowblind]

True, and most of it is because hercules was a terrible choice for them as a pre-re server. But it will be fixed regardless. Their "vision" is all that's left to criticize then. But despite everything, we got a nice 25v25 BG today. So I guess people haven't given up yet.

edit: nevermind, BG is as dead as it can get just one month after launch. There are no WoE guilds for obvious reasons. No pvm community to speak of. The bugs just keep piling up. GMs are not being rational. No idea why I thought it was worth playing here.

[Ridley]

A player was trolling, admin shut him up. It was either with comeback like this or @mute, I'd do it the same way. Might seem little harsh, but it's really the only way to shut up some people.

I totally agree. The internet is full of trolls and childs feeling cool when insulting others, crying for gm justice if they got shut up.

These "yellow auto messages" are usually ignored by players tbh.

Apparently thats true, the color actually doesn't matter, most people ignore all kind of announcements or messages. Mostly caused by random (unnecessary) spam of information. On the other hand you agree the rules when logging in. I think I saw several links and stuff to read the rules. 

True, and most of it is because hercules was a terrible choice for them as a pre-re server.

Ok, now you made me curious.What is this based of and (sorry, no offense) do you have the slightest idea what you talk about?