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Offline Lunargod

DeviousRO
« on: Jan 31, 2009, 06:15 pm »
After taking a few years' hiatus from RO I joined my friends on this small private server around mid-December of 2008.

DeviousRO is advertised as an 8/8/5 rate server, though in truth it would almost be entirely true to label it a 16/16/5 server. All players are handed field manuals to double exp from the moment accounts are made (more accounts can be made for more field manuals, though they are restricted to the account), and can be furthermore easily won from numerous events. As much as I disliked that function, on to more pressing matters.

SERVER RELATED ISSUES

Overall a good server with a rather low, but skilled population that was slowly rising at one point. The server, albeit low population, brings togethers players from all across the world, which is always a plus in creating a diverse and enjoyable community.

The stability and availability of the server are top notch, in the entire time of play there was not one 'server offline' time (to my notice, at least), only a few minor server restarts for the needed maintenance. It was up, running, and flowing just fine.

Guild competition, a problem on most low population servers, is generally lacking. At WoE's prime, there are 4-6 primary WoE guilds (were, rather), with only three of which (two, now), potentially capable of defending a castle and/or breaking a castle. The class balance on Devious RO maintains a fairly equal playing field. Many classes were played, albeit not many due to the low population, but there was not so much an abundance of one compared to another. Overall balanced and a non-issue.

Started off as a very nonexistent economy with incredibly fluctuating prices for normally-sought out goods, within the month the server economy has structured itself to include most cards and equipment of interest; however, economy growth has nearly ceased to expand to a diversity of items being sold in shops, and especially is the case of the prices remaining at a rate which inclines the owner of vending items to simply hoard items than to sell them for little or no no profit.

Events are many, but this is an example of quantity versus quality - automated scripts to play games based on luck that award players with items that range from OCA's and field manuals to OBB's. Not to mention MvP events in which GM's asked for MvP drops on their legits when it was obvious that the only people capable of killing said MvPs are guildies. Will post once I have found the /savechat. Seems I wasn't bright enough to save that chat, so onward!

GM RELATED ISSUES

Little or no competence/interest in searching/punishing botters/macro'd alchs/autofeeders/etc. Those caught (many of which by players flywinging around prt_maze and obscure places in cities) were simply 'warned' and let off the hook with a slap on the wrist.

The GM intent on this server is at the most questionable. GM's all play on legit characters, the identities of which are known by the entire server population. Though at first they ruled out that GM legits would be unable to WoE with the server population, this was changed later and they joined OUR guild. For a week we tried to deal with them (and I say deal because it was very unenjoyable to play with them in our midst, I mean, can you say backseat driving), and eventually we were irked enough that they were booted from our guild, and they immediately joined with another guild on the server. I would like to say that was the end of our problems, but the story doesn't end just there.

Saturday, January 31st, 2009 was the last WoE that we as a guild had planned to attend. (We had for the most part quit already. The day before, our guildmaster refused to even log on to the server knowing that everytime he logged on he going to be/was harassed with 'what are you still doing here if you quit", "i thought you guys emoquit", etc, the like, from the GM, mind you) We had been angered endlessly by the server team's incompetence and unorthodox methods in dealing with matters regarding bots/macros/gamefixes, and their unwillingness to punish server rule breakers thoroughly 'because they worried for the server's population'. I missed the first hour and 15 minutes of this WoE, and when I had finally arrived home and logged on, I saw none of my guildmembers logged on. None. I found out later that the GMs had jailed my guildmembers within minutes into WoE starting, because they 'felt' that we had allied ourselves with another guild - There was no such evidence. None. I will EAT.MY SHOES. If any unfabricated evidence shows up that proves this. Main damage dealers in our guild (though few), were completely FFA, killing members of all guilds, and the second they touched members of the guild in which GM legits were a part of, they were immediately jailed on unfound accusations. I logged on and immediately private messaged the GM telling him he was wrong, to even ask the players in the guild he assumed that we allied with whether or not there was any form of negotation (During our entire stay on this server the guild we were allegedly allied with and our guild had constantly butted heads and formed a rivalry in itself, so it can almost assumed that they would not accept our help even if we offered it). "STFU", "GTFO", you name it, and wham! My 98/68 creator was banned from the server immediately. Lovely. I'm not going to pretend I was speaking nicely, but I have enough pride in my guild and guildmembers to say that unfound accusations and punishments thrown at us are not something I accept lightly.

Screenshots are attached to my 2nd post (the 4th in this thread)
« Last Edit: Jan 31, 2009, 11:54 pm by Lunargod »
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Offline Littlechan

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #1 on: Jan 31, 2009, 07:10 pm »
um...where's your proof? o.o?

I don't want to be side with anyone, but whoever has more solid proof, will get more supporter o.o


*Thank You very much for Azurene*

The world is getting more and more broken everyday...

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Offline Azarael

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #2 on: Jan 31, 2009, 09:44 pm »
 :-\
« Last Edit: Feb 01, 2009, 07:56 pm by Azarael »

Offline Lunargod

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #3 on: Jan 31, 2009, 10:20 pm »
Nice job at cutting out your words and only showing what I said, oh wait. That's not even what I said, so NICE TRY. It's okay though, I don't need to do anything when you convict yourself.



Yup, could have banned us. On what grounds, I wonder? You already jailed our members for no reason and banned me when I tried to tell you otherwise; why not go ahead and post up what you responded to me with as well?

I'm not going to pretend I was speaking nicely, but I have enough pride in my guild and guildmembers to say that unfound accusations and punishments thrown at us are not something I accept lightly.

I own up when I do something wrong, which is evidently more than I can say for you.






I'll get back to finishing my first post now that I'm home.

P.S. Your screenshot shows that we attempted to ally; we did no such thing in WoE after Shaada turned Milo down. I mean. Why would we. Even I could have told you that we wanted to, but did we? No. But did you jail us? Yes.
« Last Edit: Jan 31, 2009, 10:30 pm by Lunargod »
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Offline Valentine

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #4 on: Jan 31, 2009, 10:35 pm »
Well here's all I got...
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8909/screendeviousro058al4.jpg

01/31/2009 15:18:47 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] s***
01/31/2009 15:18:49 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] Azarael,you sore donkey loser
01/31/2009 15:18:52 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] Azarael,they killed all members
01/31/2009 15:19:00 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] Azarael,we have
01/31/2009 15:19:02 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] Azarael,it f*** frapped
01/31/2009 15:19:14 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] b**** little baby
01/31/2009 15:19:16 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] Azarael,cna't gm for s***
01/31/2009 15:19:19 - W,0,160729,2002646,aru_gld,65,158,[GM] Azarael,cant play for s***

This is what the character owned by Lunargod said to me... to earn a temp ban.

Pardon me, but isn't this section for server reviews?  His post only speaks about how he dislikes his experience with the GM's.

Undeniable, yes. There was an alliance offered, yet it was declined (obviously). Also, in the reported conversation in which you posted, it seems all you reported was what Lunargod had said, what of your text to him in response? Anyone can make a one sided case if they omit evidence.

Further, I am another player of Devious RO, under the name of Milo. In my experience, Devious RO was a fun server until the GM team started to show its personal frustration by abusing their powers upon players in the game.

First Series:
Situation, as defined by me, to my best lack of bias. In Devious RO's PvP arena, I had killed a guild mate of the GM's legit character a couple times, and the GM tried to kill me with their legit character. This farce of a battle continued on for several minutes while I repeatedly killed my attacker. After numerous rounds of this, the GM (Azarael) logged on to his GM character and killed my character twice in the PvP arena. Then followed me to my home town and the following conversation ensued,








Scenario Two:
The following occurred after the GM (on his legit chracter, itanz) "jokingly" proclaimed to another guild member, a friend of his, 'Let's go join Ascension', another guild. Thus leading to the expulsion of his character, along with his friends, from the guild. Sadly, I lack the screen shot to show the next sentence's proof, and I'm sure Azarael would not own up to this, but he had PM'd my character asking if I booted him from the guild, which I acknowledged doing. Which, shortly thereafter, led to Satan Morroc being spawned amidst me and 3 other friends inside the PvP arena. After this event, I had changed characters for other purposes,






Hope this provides more evidence for the situation.

Offline Xeighter

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #5 on: Jan 31, 2009, 10:48 pm »
Oh man!

When I first read the first post, I was already scoffing at it with no screenshots to back it up.

But look at this! A garden of corruption and just pure immaturity of GMs/Admins.
My hats goes off to you, this was too amusing and amazingly balling of the GMs.

If someone kills me in PVP, I have a slice of humble pie and sit the hell down.

P.s No matter how you twist it, Azarael's choice of words shows a lack of open-mindness and understanding. Pride isn't the most inviting feature for a server-owner.
« Last Edit: Jan 31, 2009, 10:51 pm by Xeighter »

Offline Azarael

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #6 on: Jan 31, 2009, 11:13 pm »
:/
« Last Edit: Feb 01, 2009, 07:56 pm by Azarael »

Offline Licourtrix

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #7 on: Jan 31, 2009, 11:30 pm »
That's what I can't make out for the life of me - WHY in the world is RO community so keen on public linen laundry:) The time spent writing flame here could have been spent on another endless run, guildhunt and all. I do respect Milo's skills as a player and the team spirit of your guild, but...why did Zoo have to go as far as start a meaningless "us vs server"  topic both here and on @main? Why drag TnR in there? We did not want an alliance because we did not want an alliance - we have competitors, but we seek no enemies:) Sigh...

Offline Zaai

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #8 on: Feb 01, 2009, 12:10 am »
I normally do not get involved in these server reviews.  But after conversations today with the Head GM(aka Azarael) who more or less dared me to write a review, because he had screenshots to prove everything wrong, I thought I'll throw in my 2 bits.

All of these examples of possible GM power abuse(depending on everyones idea of what that entails) are exactly that, examples.  I've been playing RO far too long to put up with any of that, or even a hint of what might of been GM abuse.  The number of failed server launches that have happened in the past for things of similar nature is endless. 

Azarael as an experienced GM you should know your boundaries in playing legit characters and being a GM at the same time.  I haven't even had many run ins with you in the past on Devious, but my one last night was far more than enough to get me to leave a server.

Logged in after getting home from work, and go to check out PVP.  A couple guildies are hanging out so I sit with them.  I soon realize you are in a war with Milo from our guild and after he sonic blows you a few times you leave PVP.  To only come back on your GM character, and spawn Satan Morroc on the 3 of us sitting there, then giving some remark similar to a "what now?".  To cover it up you spam "Satan Morroc has broken loose in PVP".  At that moment you lost all of my respect as a player on your server. I could care less what happened between you and other guild mates, that did it for me. 

Again I missed WoE, only to see the aftermath of this jailing for a supposed allying...

I gave you my opinion ingame about GMs playing legit characters, and what the boundaries should be.  You clearly broke them, you know it, we know it, and now we just want the pserver community to know it.

You cannot make an excuse for your lack of PVP character type, and back it up with, "so instead of making a character that can handle themselves 1 on 1 in pvp, i just logged on my GM and did it".  Its just not right...no matter which way you look at it, or for any reason.

So anyone reading this, believe it if you want, I didn't take screenshots, because honestly I couldn't be bothered with the time invested. 

Server Opinion:DeviousRO

- Great Rates/Features
- Not so great GM team and community

Offline Azarael

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #9 on: Feb 01, 2009, 12:22 am »
:/
« Last Edit: Feb 01, 2009, 07:57 pm by Azarael »

Offline Guest

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #10 on: Feb 01, 2009, 12:37 am »
I'm done with this... whether or not moderators do something with this topic, I'm simply done with this.

Goodbye Evil Zoo.
Posted on: Jan 31, 2009, 04:21 pm
And moderators: just curious, do any of the people posting here have the same IP as another?

right now, no

Offline Azarael

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #11 on: Feb 01, 2009, 01:02 am »
:/
« Last Edit: Feb 01, 2009, 07:57 pm by Azarael »

Offline Guest

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #12 on: Feb 01, 2009, 02:24 am »
eh thats a very.... gray ish zone
its really hard to tell if its about them being hurt, or if they really think thats how things happened

im also not fond of that rule, because a review is of their personal experience, which is kinda... how they feel about it XD



Edit: typo fix ^^;
« Last Edit: Feb 01, 2009, 03:32 am by JJJ »

Offline Azarael

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #13 on: Feb 01, 2009, 02:39 am »
:/
« Last Edit: Feb 01, 2009, 07:58 pm by Azarael »

Offline Cielte

Re: DeviousRO
« Reply #14 on: Feb 01, 2009, 02:48 am »
A review is based on ones experience. Which would mean, there isn't a "good" or "bad" review. Due to it being the players experience on said server. Unless there is no evidence provided on a bad review such as this one, where there was. It'd be just an attempt to bring the server down.

If none of this makes sense, I'll try to make more sense out of it tomorrow.