Deceit in ParadiseRO- Gaming in Paradise?

[pROplayer39]

I've been around this server about a month or so, and been an active player of the community. I used to be a GM on many other servers, for a number of years, so I have some natural experience when it comes to analyzing servers, and their quality. But ParadiseRO is truly something else...

On the surface, it's a fun server with plenty of events, happy, easy-going GM's, and a reasonable staff. At first, for me at least, it was a very fun, and active server. It wasn't like rebirthRO LR, where the strongest guildleader in the server (powered by rice) actually had a few GM commands (suspicious eh? but saving this for another time). However, over time, if you're active enough, you notice things slowly. You notice things that are out of place, and having been a GM from some years ago, it slowly took a while to put the pieces together into a formal accusation.

In this server, there are GM's with "legit" ingame characters. In an ideal sense, a GM's "legit" ingame character is a great way to keep interactive with the server, and to keep some interest in it. But there are obvious downsides that all server-players can agree on, such as the possibility of illegitimate usage of GM commands to benefit himself or friends. At first sight, my trust in the GM team overwhelmed me in such that I did not believe they'd pull such an old trick...

But unfortunately, over time, there are some changes and occurrences in ParadiseRO that are not logical, and not logistically possible. One such example would be a certain high priest gaining lvl 92-97 in no more than 2.5 days. Upon inquiring, people would frequently mention the "speed of the player's internet connection". I find this to be a laughably bad alibi, as it sounds like the same, old classic case and scenario. This is a 4/4/3 server, and this particular high priest is not following the common idea and concept of "time". Furthermore, this high priest is a very good friend of the administrators of the server...

It would seem that this server is nothing better than the server's of the past; one which grants preferential treatment. One which allows GM's "legit" chars to interact in a serious LR community.

Before I get flamed or sworn by the server's loyalists, I would want to share one very effective phrase that has sniffed out classic corruption:

"Behind every great fortune, is a great crime." -Honore de Balzac


P.S.: some fortunes are too great to be explained.
P.S.S: I would mention this on the server forums, but they have a habit of banning voices like me.

[Transcend]

GM's having legit's? BULL s*** all they want is spawn some items for themselves.AND YOU SHOULD be extra carefull if they don t announce that they have legit s and who they are.i don t agree to this stupid idea that only leads to a TOTAL FREAKIN CORRUPT SERVER D:

[amberdragon]

I am also a close friend of the owner of that server, and i've never gotten a damn thing, not even credit for helping in finding the cause of a huge crashing bug. So i highly doubt anyone ELSE is getting special treatment, expectially the person you are talking about, considering they aren't really close to the high up gms. (most gms don't have the ability to do the things you claim they can)

and about that person gaining levels fast, a high priest can gain alot of exp in an exp share party, mvping, biolabs, there are several ways.  someone who plays 16 hours a day, for 2 and a half days, means 40 hours to play, grind, and level.

[Abel Vox]

I am the server owner of ParadiseRO.

First of all, I'm sorry if you are a banned player of ParadiseRO (for botting etc...)
What would cause you to say things about my server, I don't know but whatever the reasons are
I'm very sorry I could not meet your needs and keep you happy.

It is my goal as owner of ParadiseRO to keep every player happy, through mini games, events, Keeping the server
updated, donation free.. etc.. These are all my goals I want to make a player Utopia.
When making paradiseRO I was ready for things like, botters, hackers, flamers.. and posts like these.

The Game master team selected are good dear friends of mine from another server called MinorityRO.
I knew from their hard work on MinRO they would be great GMs on ParadiseRO, and I was not wrong.
My only regret was to ask them not to name their legits after their main characters. It causes players to
belive they are abusing their powers. Especially if they are in a guild. I keep tabs on the GM command logs,trade logs
etc. every morning and night before bed. Its a stressful job but its worth it, I do not want to waste money on a server
with currupt GMs. ( Pay for the server myself out of my own pocket ).

There are a few abnormal players on the server, one of them gained a large ammount of zeny very fast. I investegated her
and found out she got the zeny via a player quiting the server.
Another player leveled extremly fast, this was very strange because he just started the server and within half a month he was already lvl 90. The GMs investigated the player (mainly the bot hunters) to check for botting, but we found out the player used the party exp rule to his full advantage. The player did not bot but found a map in Achent (spelling) mummies and brought a Dancer/bard to the location. He had a party of 8 players each player would attack the AM once to increase the exp value and then he would kill the AM in the CP. Thus large ammont of exp. It wasn't against our rules,(he wasnt using a 3rd party program) he was just being very smart and found a way to lvl as a priest.

Of course when players seen this the first thing they see is, a bot, currupt GMs helping, or players hacking.
Again I am very sorry if you mis understood, we did not make this public because we did not think it would cause something like this.
And also if you were botting or got banned from the server(i do not label a person just because he cheated) I'm very sorry and hope
you will find another server to play on.

-ParadiseGM staff, ParadiseOwner Abel Vox

[Transcend]

Since this seemed interesting i got a bit deeper in it.
40hours =2400
I checked ur CP,it seems he is the only lvl 97 person.
K let s analyze
1 : MvP definitively a no no : because in 40hours ,how much mvp's can he kill,also there are  a lot of ppl in your server so he d have to share them lol (actualy they will get have to get them faster)
2bioloabs 100kx4 ,400k
Server being new i doubt he got the nescessary gear for bio (+++),40hours hmm let s give each mvp 4min's (seems fair for a bio3 mob lol)/divided by atleast a party of 5 equals:
80000k exp x 600 bio mob (wich is highly LOL) = 48.000.000EXP, nope 48 M is not enough for lvl 92-97

So w/e u say he can t have done that D: ,would he like to tell us how (i d like to know >.<)

Edit: ah sorry ,smart way to lvlup
AM=40K+(25%*=12000k EXP divided by 8persons=15k = HE WASTED SO MUCH TIME BY AM FOR A AM AND HALF LMAO D:

so each AM 8 ppl strike it let s go by 3mins each
15k x (2400mins/3)=108.000.000
during 40hours non stop ,no rest ,no break
Can someone check if 100M of exp is enough for lvl 92-97
but if im no fool IT S REALY WAY LOWER THEN what u need.(TRANS)

[Harabec]

Well call us corrupts then.
As for myself Iç¹"m with a clean conscious... and that makes a full new prespective.
As for players trying to get some reason to doubt GMs... they should first see a GM paying the full server from his own pocket...not asking for donations...banning the RL girlfriend for disrespect to a player... this is not sad...itç¹"s annoying.

Have fun... (in paradise).

[ILeveledFast]

Since this seemed interesting i got a bit deeper in it.
40hours =2400
I checked ur CP,it seems he is the only lvl 97 person.
K let s analyze
1 : MvP definitively a no no : because in 40hours ,how much mvp's can he kill,also there are  a lot of ppl in your server so he d have to share them lol (actualy they will get have to get them faster)
2bioloabs 100kx4 ,400k
Server being new i doubt he got the nescessary gear for bio (+++),40hours hmm let s give each mvp 4min's (seems fair for a bio3 mob lol)/divided by atleast a party of 5 equals:
80000k exp x 600 bio mob (wich is highly LOL) = 48.000.000EXP, nope 48 M is not enough for lvl 92-97

So w/e u say he can t have done that D: ,would he like to tell us how (i d like to know >.<)

Edit: ah sorry ,smart way to lvlup
AM=40K+(25%*=12000k EXP divided by 8persons=15k = HE WASTED SO MUCH TIME BY AM FOR A AM AND HALF LMAO D:

so each AM 8 ppl strike it let s go by 3mins each
15k x (2400mins/3)=108.000.000
during 40hours non stop ,no rest ,no break
Can someone check if 100M of exp is enough for lvl 92-97
but if im no fool IT S REALY WAY LOWER THEN what u need.(TRANS)

lol who said we need a big party? and no biolab no AM no MVP for leveling. It looks like IT WAS JUST A PRO LEVELING THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK OF. no im not insulting you and you of being a smartass with all those calculation, but do remember if you can't do something that doesnt mean other people can't either.

good work on all that calculation but all wrong

[Transcend]

That s what your admin said u did.

[Buffie]

oh well since im bored and saw this s*** is happening and im the person the are talking about here i post my lvl way u can figure it out how much exp i get out of  a anubis

11 chars are hitting + mental sensing go do the math how much exp i get

btw transcend u seem to be good with the calcuting go give it a try =P

[Transcend]

sure anubis 30anubis per spawn @sphinx 5 (instant spawn)
exp in pRO 16800*4=67200 per anubis
With 11 chars hitting it it should take around ,let s go with 4mins if not less
2400/4= 600anubis
let see how much exp u get by anubis
67200 + (25%x 10)  PS: 10 not 11 becaue by default eAthena only counts 10 atackers.
67200 + 16800*10
=235200 divided by num of players 235200/11
21381,81 x 600 = 12.829.090,909090909090909090909091
Well boy this is a lie at 100% 12M of exp in 40hours is all u can get from anubis's NON STOP.
it s way lower than the AM's lol
With this way,to get from 92-97 ,let s say 20days min
AM's are better lol

[ILeveledFast]

lol do u know nething about "each take" party? well but its possible and since u did all the work for it now you know

[Buffie]

nah ther are no 30 anubis in sphinx 5 just 10 atleast here in paradise........and we do it on lvl 4 and ther are 15 so we get a mob every 2-5 minits and maybe ams would be faster but the job exp sucks tho its on each take not share =P but yeah ur calculate is good im getting 412 - 424 its random, well with our slacking and stuff on 97 > 98 i could pull of 10 ~ 14% a hour








Posted on: July 01, 2007, 09:01:44 PM

lol do u know nething about "each take" party?

finaly we have som smart ppl here gratz

[Transcend]

didn t see the mages and i only read share exp party in the admin's post so :p sowii
but maybe @lvl5 sphinx but at  lvl4 it s impossible
D: secret plox !!

[ILeveledFast]

didn t see the mages and i only read share exp party in the admin's post so :p sowii
but maybe @lvl5 sphinx but at  lvl4 it s impossible
D: secret plox !!

lol secret leaked QQ btw u forgot mental sensing =/ impressed u got so close number (wish that place not crowded now)

[Transcend]

Q_Q gimme.
go lvl 5 looks empty
sorry i feel ashamed but what s mental sensing :? (im an admin and i dunno what this skill is @_@?)

[ILeveledFast]

well that bard/dancer duet giving more xp:) you should check that skill out.

anyways we tried lv 5 but some s**t happened we finished demobbing pharaoh and stuff after 10 seconds we finished it(more like buffie did all the job:P) this wiz and 2 priests came started killing all -.- so dont know just hope buffie gets lv 99 b4 ppl come in more:P

[Buffie]

why would it be imposible? thers always a way on EVERY map to do somthing u just need to kno wat to do well first of all since thes private servers arnt that BIG anymor most of the places are like empty no 1 ther anyways, demob the pasnas + mimics + minos and leave the anubis walk around the map agi them up with bathory armour it would be fast to mob them so thers no secret at all see it like doin same thing in  bio 3 snap all the monsters out the HW spawn point and go camp HWs for a few hours u sure get 99 (as a WS) in no time lol so why accuse GMs for helping ppl cuz the lvl fast? if u dont even kno how the lvl thats just lame

[Transcend]

if i play leech me plox?

[devow]

some ppl will be suspicous how others level very fast, especially if they themselves dont know. now, to remove that suspicion tell them how it was done. problem solved.

but the problem with ro (and mmorpg in general), is it a game of level/equip/stats and not a game of skill. this is why people keep builds/equip info to themselves so others wouldnt know (an advantage). thats why you rarely see people talk about how they level unusually fast, or their equip/build.

btw some people think that someone can be a skilled ro player, no such thing. there is only a knowledgable ro player not a skillfull player. if u want to see skilled player, play any fps or rts games.

a game of skill (like fps or rts) does not need information to be kept, but instead relies on player skill. too bad ro aint a game of skill 

[Transcend]

OMG YOUR  E SO WRONG
just lookk at guys like this one and playing and uk change u mind
look
Laecertus(paladin)/sin thief bug,kariya,chaos champ,Akabane the mightiest sinX ever,Light sinx too,Hell mage ,Lord hiko
JUST GO WATCH SOME REALLY GOOD RO PLAYERS D:

[Kuprin]

Edited because of lies and fail.

[Abel Vox]

Kuprin -___- how does paying for the server out of my own money, scam people?
ParadiseRO is a DONATION FREE server. There are no scams going on. After EuphRO
the last thing that I would want is another damn money grubbing server.

1. ParadiseRO is donation free
2. I pay of the server on my own
3. THE MINI GAMES is what get you the items.
Example you can get poring coins on each map from treasure boxes, or in towns from porings.
You can gamble your poring coins in our special Poring 'n' Coin Mini game. And trade for
special IRO/KRO/JRO Cash sale items.

If your seeing players running around with headgear you have not seen before Kuprin, I'm pretty sure
they got the gear from that NPC. there is a FULL list on the paradiseRO forums of what headgear you can get
and how.

4. There is also a mini game that lets people get Ragnarok Online Mobile Items.
  Its the Paradise RO mining game, players go into the mines and hunt for ore, the ore can be
refined into Bullions, and the Bullions refined into Coins, there are many diffren't kinds of coins.
You can use the coins to buy Special Moible Ragnarok Online items(Kuprin if you do not know what
Ragnarok Online Moible is, its a cell phone game were you can get items for your Rangarok Online when
you beat the game)


Not everyone has access to such Cash sale items or Mobile items, not everyone wants to spend 15-20 dollers in IRO to get
them, Donation items were the biiiggest scam in private servers of the past(old Euph) I wanted to prove to players,

They do NOT have to live in fear, fear that there owner is stealing money via donations
They do NOT have to be singled out from the donators, people who donate to a server and become uber powerful.
They CAN! get the new KRO/JRO/IRO Ragnarok Online items that are normaly donated for on other servers.

ParadiseRO is a player utopia, and Its my way of trying to make the Private Ragnarok Online world happey, via events,
Mini games, or just plain having fun.

I don't know what your problem is Kuprin, Maybe its because you coudln't get on the GM team(and btw the reason your not on the team is because you flame ParadiseRO so much on RMS and make stupid comments like this about my server) or maybe your just unlucky in the Poring 'n' Coin.

Whatever the reason I want you, I ask you, I wont ban you because maybe you were misunderstood, but I ask you, and pray and hope
you would talk to me.

[Transcend]

Sir can i have a triple uderneath chain.
Anyway server looks happy for now so dunno.let s just stop at this.

[yC]

first being an ro n00b i dont understand why Transcend's calculation is considered close numbers when he calculated in the 20k~ when the screenshot shows 400k~ each anibus ... maybe i missed something.

Another think I would like to express is that I support server that are corruption free and donation free.  That is the way servers should be, donator over power and gm corruption has become a serious problem in the private RO world.  There are hardcore guilds out there that will move from one server to another just to find a uncorrupted / no donat0r powered server to play on.  Just look at the recent events at ProjectRO that I happened to witness. First, hardcore players waited for months for it to open.  First day open 250~ ppl online.  One gm got caught helping friends, excessive boardcast and killing players.  Second day, those that waited for months start to find another server to call home.  Hehe so the lesson? avoid corruption like a plague xD while you still can. 

Okay i guess this is another post that i go on and on and have no idea what the topic is about.

OH.  Even so, the official server makes me laugh when they have a server specifically designed for item shop and is free to play (at least in chinese RO i see it).  Kind of trying to get "donators" back to the official server from the private world lol. 

Well good luck to a non corrupt, non donation over power server seriously.

I have seen servers try to stay donation free and corruption free but all of them don't last long.  Some have to give in to the reality that there is no free lunch in the world (thus sold your soul to the devil).  Others somehow got corrupted from making the wrong decision or just simply closed down due to out of budget or lack of player appreciate the effort spent.  It's sad when you see corrupted server, or server that make money out of players are up there and clean server like yours are down there.

xD what am i talking about, yes maybe that describes me when i used to run a server.  I try to make it corruption free (did that mostly) and donation free (no over power donator anyway but there are few donation stuff like houses and warp commands to town).  In the end it gets tired and closed (was that the real reason?).

Wait you are paradise RO? hey i think Diogenes moved a lot of my HopeRO ppl there, yea maybe he still there.  If so it would be great, looks like they found a good home.

[pROplayer39]

I jumped the gun.

A revolutionary lvling method has popped up it seems...

It is actually possible to lvl as buffie's screenshot shows, and I'll give a rough blueprint of how it's done.


How to level madly with a high priest.
You have 10 clients open (you need friends, or a few computers around you). Here's what should be on the 10 clients... or at least I think, in sphinx4 (the one with minorous)....

- 1 high priest to level
- 1 bard (to cast Mental sensing)
- 1 gypsy (to cast mental sensing) note: mental sensing gives 186% exp
- 1 mental strength monk to mob the anubis
- 6 mages to cast fireball at the anubis mob

1. First, you mob the minorous's to the center of the map, in a small corner or aisle where they can't get out.
2. Set up a little camp where all your characters are partied. No even share of course. Have the bard and dancer always using their mental sensing.
3. Mob the anubis with the mental strength monk. The monk can do a hell lot of anubis'.... and bring them to the area aside where your bard+dancer is.
4. Have each mage cast fireball at the anubis mob. For each mage that casts their fireball at the mob, you get a 10% extra party exp bonus (system is really stupid sounding isn't it).
5. Have the priest cast magnus excorsismus or TU, whatever is faster for you, to kill the mob.
6. Go out and scount with the monk again for more lol....


In this method, the primary focus is the party bonuses that are given, along with the bard+dancer combination. The only reason why this seemed so peculiar is also because anubis is a relatively new monster... and farming them in this way...

Well it needs to be efficient, which is why multiple computers or bots are used (not promoting the usage of bots).



Using this method, a high priest would gain insane exp bonuses:
(normal anubis exp x number of anubis) x 1.86 x (10% compounded per useless mage/assassin (in grimtooth) you have)

In my defense, I still don't believe RO was intended this way, and does not reflect the actual values of RO. The ability to substitute the place of party-members to maximize exp output is still a shady way to use it, especially since it was never intended as such... this much most of us can agree upon. Or you can call me a whiner. Whichever one seems more reasonable in an unbiased light.


Well then... scratch the first post, and suspicion. Server seems good. Although I still dislike the idea of gm's with "legit" characters. It's common sense that if one GM screwed up, namely maybe an admin, it wouldn't really be made public for bad PR (as well as emotional attachment of the GM team). But as it stands now, server seems cool again.


My apologies.

[Transcend]

Lol i let them go away with it.
One question
Are theses chars realy in a party.My memory is very bad but i do remenber seeing my partymates HP IN A PARTY.

[Skotlex]

You don't really need the party. The exp rules state that a mob's exp increases by 25% per each character that "attacks" the mob (or is attacked by them) to a max of 12 characters, as long as all of them are still in the same map at the moment the mob dies.

The ensemble increases the exp given by mobs standing within it at the moment they die regardless of who is earning the exp.

So you can do this without partying everyone, but having everyone in the mini-map would help (a party in each-take is not any different than no party, is it?)

[Transcend]

O lala the one that made this has spoken let s all stfu now.This is just a rude post by some banned person.