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Title: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 27, 2009, 06:41 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Ailinea/review.jpg)

First, who cares if he bought a BMW.  That has absolutely nothing to do with the server.

Second, this guy hasn't played in over a year, where a LOT of things have changed.

Third, the detailed rating doesn't match the review at all.

In otherwords, spam by some idiot.  Thanks.  8D
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Hutchy on Apr 27, 2009, 07:32 PM
Though Syphon is a big penishead, that really isn't a review of the server... just complaints about past... things.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: yC on Apr 27, 2009, 07:52 PM
not a review .. he could have said more about the server less about the bmw.  deleted.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 27, 2009, 08:06 PM
Though Syphon is a big penishead

I have no idea what you're talking about. /ho




And thanks, yC.  :)
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 27, 2009, 08:15 PM
First, who cares if he bought a BMW.  That has absolutely nothing to do with the server.

I disagree. While the review doesn't suffice and should be deleted (it has been), him buying a BMW with donation money has plenty to do with the server.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: SilverStream~ on Apr 27, 2009, 08:34 PM
First, who cares if he bought a BMW.  That has absolutely nothing to do with the server.

I disagree. While the review doesn't suffice and should be deleted (it has been), him buying a BMW with donation money has plenty to do with the server.

Very much.  Who would want to go to a server where the owner spent the money on a new car for himself instead of keeping the server alive/upgrade it-
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 27, 2009, 09:17 PM
He does.  He pays server costs and pays the admins who update the server and add new features every week a monthly salary.  What else do you expect him to do with what's left over?  Let it sit there?  He makes quite a bit of money, and while I may not agree with it, I don't expect him to not spend what he has left over.  Be realistic, people.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Zelos on Apr 27, 2009, 09:20 PM
This is so tiring,hearing the same story over and over. "The Admin/Head GM of blablabla server is using money to buy himself stuff!" Seriously, like Ailinea said, do you really expect anyone to just let this leftover money sit there?
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: SilverStream~ on Apr 27, 2009, 09:30 PM
Upgrade your servers, get more advertisment going, expand.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 27, 2009, 09:31 PM
Upgrade your servers, get more advertisment going, expand.

What rock have you been living under?  Do you even know anything about Rebirth?  lol

We have a s*** ton of advertising that he is, yes, paying for.  We are expanding.  Our servers don't currently need upgrading, but they might in the future, and he'll still be able to afford that and have money left over.  Maybe I'm missing your point?
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 27, 2009, 10:05 PM
He does.  He pays server costs and pays the admins who update the server and add new features every week a monthly salary.  What else do you expect him to do with what's left over?  Let it sit there?  He makes quite a bit of money, and while I may not agree with it, I don't expect him to not spend what he has left over.  Be realistic, people.

The point of my message wasn't arguing whether or not it were true, it was simply pointing out that you were wrong, and that the argument, true or not, has plenty to do with the server. However, there is absolutely zero reason to spend any of the donation fund on anything except server-related things while the server is still up and running. Which, it is. There can't be money "leftover" from a fund used for ongoing payments. There's always going to be another payment to provide.

This is so tiring,hearing the same story over and over. "The Admin/Head GM of blablabla server is using money to buy himself stuff!" Seriously, like Ailinea said, do you really expect anyone to just let this leftover money sit there?

Read above!
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 27, 2009, 10:28 PM
Symbiote, do you live in the real world?  I'm beginning to wonder.  He has a steady inflow of money every single day.  Yes, he bought a car, yes, he bought a house, yes he's remodeling that house, but how do you expect almost a million euros a year to be spent ENTIRELY on server costs?  That would be a pretty big f*** epic server, and it would be completely pointless to upgrade a server to that magnitude when it's not needed.  When it IS needed, he buys it.  It has almost nothing to do with the server because it's not like he squandering the money on things other than Rebirth, because it's getting plenty of attention, even it's by the admins that he's paying for and not him.  Like I said, I don't agree with it, I don't like how he rakes in all this money and does absolutely s*** for it, but I'm not naive enough to think that a young person with tens of thousands of euros coming in weekly NOT to be used for entertainment or life.  He doesn't have a job, he doesn't need a job.  You can't seriously sit back and tell me you wouldn't do the same thing.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 27, 2009, 10:37 PM
Symbiote, do you live in the real world?  I'm beginning to wonder.  He has a steady inflow of money every single day.  Yes, he bought a car, yes, he bought a house, yes he's remodeling that house, but how do you expect almost a million euros a year to be spent ENTIRELY on server costs?  That would be a pretty big f*** epic server, and it would be completely pointless to upgrade a server to that magnitude when it's not needed.  When it IS needed, he buys it.  It has almost nothing to do with the server because it's not like he squandering the money on things other than Rebirth, because it's getting plenty of attention, even it's by the admins that he's paying for and not him.  Like I said, I don't agree with it, I don't like how he rakes in all this money and does absolutely s*** for it, but I'm not naive enough to think that a young person with tens of thousands of euros coming in weekly NOT to be used for entertainment or life.  He doesn't have a job, he doesn't need a job.  You can't seriously sit back and tell me you wouldn't do the same thing.

Ailinea, do you have a brain? I'm beginning to wonder. I'm not concerned about his steady income. I'm not concerned about what he's buying, or what he has bought. The guy isn't receiving a million euros per year for Ragnarok Online donations, nor anywhere close, however, if he were, I'd still expect that money to be saved. No matter the amount, it was donated for the server because of the existence of the server. If there server were to close, for whatever reason, then that money would be unlocked for personal use. The improper use of donation money has anything and everything to do with a server, as it has to do with the Administrator, whom happens to have everything to do with the server as well.

Don't get me wrong, though. Of course it isn't surprising that a "young person," whom happens to, clearly, be a bad Administrator, to misuse donation money. It's still wrong, and it will always be wrong. I wouldn't touch a penny of donation money unless I was in a financial crisis. At that point, I'd have to close the server, anyway, if donations were not enough to support both myself and the server. Not everyone is unfit to be an Administrator; a responsible leader. Just the majority.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: LemonCrosswalk on Apr 27, 2009, 10:38 PM
When my server actually asks for donations, we take the extra money and donate it according to the largest donator or someone in the server that deserved it. They get to choose who gets it.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 27, 2009, 10:40 PM
Go to the website.  Notice that the link says "Buy."  I also might have a copy of the business license laying around for proof, as well.  They haven't been "donations" on that server for a few years now.

And yes, he is receiving that much (and I said nearly a million, he's about a couple hundred thousand off).  You can choose whether to believe me or not, but as a previous GM and getting bored one day and adding up the purchases made in one day (and YES, I had access to the logs), it was astronomical.  He's making more than that now, I gather, since the population is larger and more items are available.  But like you said, you're not talking about how much he makes... except you kinda just did.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Symbiote on Apr 27, 2009, 10:43 PM
When my server actually asks for donations, we take the extra money and donate it according to the largest donator or someone in the server that deserved it. They get to choose who gets it.

This is good. Of course, with limitations.

Go to the website.  Notice that the link says "Buy."  I also might have a copy of the business license laying around for proof, as well.  They haven't been "donations" on that server for a few years now.

Ah, yes. Replace "Donate" with "Buy." So clever. The Administrator is a d*** and a half. End of story.

And yes, he is receiving that much (and I said nearly a million, he's about a couple hundred thousand off).  You can choose whether to believe me or not, but as a previous GM and getting bored one day and adding up the purchases made in one day (and YES, I had access to the logs), it was astronomical.  He's making more than that now, I gather, since the population is larger and more items are available.  But like you said, you're not talking about how much he makes... except you kinda just did.

I said I'm not concerned about how much he makes, you silly guy, you. You should truly make sure that what you have to say is correct before you press the submission button. And I'm truly not. Though, it's pretty amusing how being "a couple hundred thousand" away from a million is "nearly a million." I laugh. Then I shake my head in pity.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 27, 2009, 10:52 PM
Glad to be of service.  Like I said, I don't agree with what he does with it either, it's a big reason why I quit the server several times.  It's not that I don't disagree with you, it's that I kinda see both ends here.  There's pretty much nothing I can do about it.

Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Hutchy on Apr 27, 2009, 11:44 PM
Hey, is Ancyker still over there?
/me shudders
Baaad memories from back when I used to play Rebirth...
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Ailinea on Apr 28, 2009, 09:50 AM
No, he got fired a couple months ago, with much joy to the staff and player base.  Another big reason I'm not a fan of Syphon.
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: Omi on Apr 28, 2009, 05:39 PM
well, the first year of rebirth, he did bring in 1.3 million euros.

what would you do with 1.3 million euros for an RO server?
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: LemonCrosswalk on Apr 28, 2009, 05:50 PM
well, the first year of rebirth, he did bring in 1.3 million euros.

what would you do with 1.3 million euros for an RO server?
Buy a BMW?
Title: Re: Reporting a review.
Post by: yC on Apr 28, 2009, 06:58 PM
wait, this is a report topic.  not meant for debate on server owner behavior etc.  The report has been accepted and done with.  If anyone is interested in continuing the discussion please start it in the hall of shame section (preferably with supporting document other than words) or the server discussion section.