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Offline Lioran

Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« on: Jun 01, 2018, 06:28 PM »
I always thought it would be nice to rework Pre-renewal in a way that doesn't change the core mechanic of the game and revamp most of the areas.
For this it would requires an extensive knowledge of every class and game mechanic which I have built over the years.
I'm sure these kinda of server exist but i highly doubt that much thought goes into them(personnaly not seen any). Considering the amount of people I meet that have comparable amount of knowledge. Server owners just seem to throw random stuff together and not really think about the overall picture.

I'd like to see a server based around Theory crafting kinda like the path RO was going a few updates before renewal was a thing.
I'd personnaly revamp most of the areas to make them more enjoyable, Make the first class part more enjoyable with actual Boss for low lvl that give decent exp.
an exp system like renewal has. Revamp stuff like Blacksmith forging. Rework most of the boss get rid of easy boss like phree make boss not super hard but so they require
some coordination. Maybe even go as far as to have a progression system for updates.
Maybe change the behavior of some skills such as provoke to actually have some Agro effect on boss so pure melee DPS can actually participate in MVP since this
game basically forbide the use of melee class in parties unless its the tank and dps at the same time which I personally think is a flaw.

Also when you think about it tons of map are never really used by anyone other than to get to a certain destination.
Like take Clock tower for exemple. When is the last time you saw someone active on floor 1.
When is the last time you hunted clock tower manager. What if he was just a boss kind like Tendrillion is.


Or just all those MVP that people think, why would anyone hunt this boss it doesn't drop anything usefull for anyone.
And give a purpose to most drop from MVP. I see people often think some piece of equipment is useless but sometimes you can do amazing things
with those gears and it'd be nice to have some more of that(hence the theory crafting).

Game is already a big game and could feel much bigger by reworking tons of Areas and monsters without even adding any new areas.
There is just so much that can be done with what already exist to make it even more fun to play.

What do you guys think? Any server out there trying to accomplish that? I'd be willing to participate in that.

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Offline Bue

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #1 on: Jun 01, 2018, 11:33 PM »
You sound like Blinzer.  /heh

I think this idea is share by a lot of people, but no one has ever been able to do it. I have seen people consumed by the scope of their work (and ego), stuck at a roadblock in their skill set, overwhelmed by the technology stack, and so on ...

Are you working on a prototype?

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #2 on: Jun 02, 2018, 01:25 AM »
You sound like Blinzer.  /heh

I think this idea is share by a lot of people, but no one has ever been able to do it. I have seen people consumed by the scope of their work (and ego), stuck at a roadblock in their skill set, overwhelmed by the technology stack, and so on ...

Are you working on a prototype?
I don't know who blinzer is.
I don't have any prototype but I have looked into it. Biggest worry I got is if I was to start working on this and end up having a dead server in the end. I have no idea how to advertise anything.
There is probably a way to work on this incrementally so you can have content being released overtime and judge interest at the same time.
I've worked on my own game before but i had to deal with making some art, designing rooms, programming, balancing and all the other stuff all alone. It was just impossible to do everything alone. Along with trying to get people interested in this random project without being an obnoxious guy that advertise his stuff randomly on forums and stuff. It just wasn't working.
So working on something like this would basically only be programming.
« Last Edit: Jun 02, 2018, 01:48 AM by Lioran »

Offline Bue

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #3 on: Jun 02, 2018, 02:15 AM »
I have been working on a project for 8 years without ever releasing a stable build. There is always a risk of failure on a project. However, I do know that there is always a demand for servers with regular content updates and a dedicated team. I think as long as you can provide that, people will play on your server and donate.

I think your idea is doable as long as you don't go too far down the rabbit hole. With the right skill set, the only thing you have to risk is time (and money). If you can't do that, then I wouldn't recommend moving forward.


Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #4 on: Jun 05, 2018, 02:02 PM »
yep. just sit back and relax bud, you don't have to lift an inch, big daddy blinzer has you covered. release date is the same day that kingdom hearts 3 comes out

BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE!

(click to show/hide)

is that a fully functioning website? why yes, it is!!!

standard private servers have their days counted
« Last Edit: Jun 05, 2018, 02:19 PM by Blinzer »

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #5 on: Jun 05, 2018, 09:05 PM »
Is there a place where i can look at the changes you've made to the game?
« Last Edit: Jun 05, 2018, 10:49 PM by Lioran »

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #6 on: Jun 05, 2018, 10:42 PM »
NVM Found it on your discord and I have some criticism.
Personally I look at the changes and all i can think of is "This is just not RO anymore, it just looks like it". I fail to see how is this different than what renewal did. The original RO is good enough it just need a few adjustment, not a full scale redo.
Changing every mechanic of the game just remove the entire game and you end up with a different game that has the same aesthetic. Not sure I can get behind that. At the end of the day it's just making people relearn the game for the 3rd time. Even worse this is a private server so anything you learn only applies here so if the server close down, that's it.

Also some pretty Draconian mechanic you put in there.
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Equipment will now automatically bind itself to your account when you equip it for the first time.
Correct me if i'm wrong but this applies to every equipment?(wasn't specified)
This is getting into Single player territory stuff at that point. You are basically destroying the item when you decide to use it. You are simply hunting for a ticket to get that effect unlocked on your account.
This is why progression exist. The only reason inflation exist is because private server are static. When they start, There is no more update from that point on and the system can only inflate even with a system like your server offers.

People need to stop trying to find solution to inflation. Every solution i've ever seen to try to fix it just make the game less enjoyable. If your server having unbend-able economy is more important than having a fun experience. You are doing it wrong. You want The best solution for your Economy? Seasonal restart with legacy server like Diablo 2 does. That's the only true solution. eRO did it and it worked (without the legacy server) until they got caught meddling with WOE.

I've only read a few things and to me it sounds like someone that didn't fully understand the RO mechanic trying to make his own so he knows that one fully instead of the original one but I could be wrong. Problem of RO is not the mechanic, its the way they were used by the original devs which to me also looked like they didn't fully understand it probably because the people hired were constantly shifting which happens often with these kind of long therm games.
« Last Edit: Jun 05, 2018, 10:48 PM by Lioran »

Offline Bue

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #7 on: Jun 06, 2018, 01:18 AM »
The best solution for your Economy? Seasonal restart with legacy server like Diablo 2 does. That's the only true solution.

Fyi, you can easily kill a server by wiping it regularly.

Offline yennar

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #8 on: Jun 06, 2018, 04:06 AM »
wrote too long, RMS logged me out, killed my post, so now i'm pissed

short summary then:

Even if mechanics are ok, RO is unbalanced. Pservers promote this with autoloot/alootid, warp, autoheal/sp/buff etc.
Endcontent is missing. On most pservers low/mid rate WoE just suxx. So other things are needed, but no one cares.
Give me a living world like in Guild Wars 2, or a 3-way-fraction System like in Aion for RO. Develop a DOTA System for RO. Heck, develop a good Survival Wave Event for RO. Anything new and innovative, not just the usual trash.

Economy suxx because players kill it with their mentality.
Zeny are only worth enchantments and some pots - get real value behind zeny and problems are fixed (or starting) or just kill zeny completely.


Tried Blinzers server 2 years ago, played dancer, lvling was frustrating.

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Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #9 on: Jun 06, 2018, 12:35 PM »
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Tried Blinzers server 2 years ago, played dancer, lvling was frustrating.

2 years, LOL. could you use skills while dancing? if you couldn't, that means i didn't even begin working on bard/dancer at all and it was probably written in bold that the class sucked

i can't just thanos it and magically snap my fingers and make everything perfect, it takes time and a lot of thought to make the right changes to classes. dancer was one of the harder ones to figure out an identity for and it wasn't really until i decided to make skills usable and song buffs not persist for that long after you leave the AoE that i was able to open them up as a unique role in the game, and not just "song buff bot juggling every 15 seconds". support role nontheless, so thinking you would be god solo levelling would have been a mistake even now.


NVM Found it on your discord and I have some criticism.
Personally I look at the changes and all i can think of is "This is just not RO anymore, it just looks like it". I fail to see how is this different than what renewal did. The original RO is good enough it just need a few adjustment, not a full scale redo.
Changing every mechanic of the game just remove the entire game and you end up with a different game that has the same aesthetic. Not sure I can get behind that. At the end of the day it's just making people relearn the game for the 3rd time. Even worse this is a private server so anything you learn only applies here so if the server close down, that's it.

Also some pretty Draconian mechanic you put in there.Correct me if i'm wrong but this applies to every equipment?(wasn't specified)
This is getting into Single player territory stuff at that point. You are basically destroying the item when you decide to use it. You are simply hunting for a ticket to get that effect unlocked on your account.
This is why progression exist. The only reason inflation exist is because private server are static. When they start, There is no more update from that point on and the system can only inflate even with a system like your server offers.

People need to stop trying to find solution to inflation. Every solution i've ever seen to try to fix it just make the game less enjoyable. If your server having unbend-able economy is more important than having a fun experience. You are doing it wrong. You want The best solution for your Economy? Seasonal restart with legacy server like Diablo 2 does. That's the only true solution. eRO did it and it worked (without the legacy server) until they got caught meddling with WOE.

I've only read a few things and to me it sounds like someone that didn't fully understand the RO mechanic trying to make his own so he knows that one fully instead of the original one but I could be wrong. Problem of RO is not the mechanic, its the way they were used by the original devs which to me also looked like they didn't fully understand it probably because the people hired were constantly shifting which happens often with these kind of long therm games.

so you read a couple of the 2018 changes to a server that has been undergoing constant changes since 2014 and expect to understand why anything is being changed on the server at this point, without stepping foot in game a single time?  /no1

rElIaBlE sOuRcE oF cRiTiCiSm

you're talking air because you don't know how it works until you step into the game and play, i don't care how good you think you are at imagining what would happen ingame.
« Last Edit: Jun 06, 2018, 01:53 PM by Blinzer »

Offline yennar

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #10 on: Jun 06, 2018, 01:12 PM »
Back then there were many development changes. I remember that Double Strafe did no damage, so i tried leveling with whips, which did also no dmg.
But the frustrating thing wasn't that, it was the leveling with very low rates with no one online in my range on an alpha test server.

so chill man, i didn't mean it as offense.

PS: i waited 2 years for your launch, so ofc i will take a look at it when you start

Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #11 on: Jun 06, 2018, 01:18 PM »
Back then there were many development changes. I remember that Double Strafe did no damage, so i tried leveling with whips, which did also no dmg.
But the frustrating thing wasn't that, it was the leveling with very low rates with no one online in my range on an alpha test server.

so chill man, i didn't mean it as offense.

PS: i waited 2 years for your launch, so ofc i will take a look at it when you start

sorry if it comes off that way, i just like the aggressive style of talking. i ain't offended, and don't take it like i'm hating or anything. anyways, i just don't think 2 years ago dancer is exactly the right show for me. yeah, back then DS was super nerfed because i'm a sniper main and nerf hammered it because i knew it was overpowered in pvm but ended up overshooting. whips weren't changed at the time for sure since i did that in early 2017, so they for sure would not have helped. dancer was just straight up garbo back then

alpha was rough, i can admit that. the monsters were super difficult and it was party only to get good exp. a lot of classes were still unfinished, there was rampant underpowered or overpowered stuff(autocast books were ridiculous), it's mostly because in alpha my main focus wasn't so much class fine tuning but rework of the world and weapons, which was a concept that was completely new to me since there was simply no such thing prior. it was a mix of me tackling lots of different areas in bulk but not fine tuning yet. i did try to make some immediate changes to big spotlight skills(as anyone from the original game would first tend to gravitate towards) to balance what i thought would have balanced them out the original game, but it was only later that i was good enough at it to start thinking about how to give unique tools to each class and went in depth. i don't blame you for having a hard time in the middle of all of that

thanks for waiting and believing in me, i for sure won't disappoint


@Lioran

i also want to point out one last thing to Lioran. the reason i made equipment account bound is not because of economy at all, in fact i am certain that even without account bound gear you will starve in my economy 100% and there will never be zeny problems on my server even if it runs for 20 years, and i have my refinement system to thank for that primarily. instead, the real reason i made that change is because there is a very, VERY deep progression on my server as far as equipment goes, and if people just keep selling back their used gear to people at any price every time they upgrade their gear, there will be no reason for anyone to actually follow the progression since they can just skip it all by buying the gear they need to go to later areas. economy has literally nothing to do with it.

on top of that, you can easily just grind more gear of the same kind using the gear you already have, NOT equip it and then sell it to players for any price you want, so you don't really have a point of any kind here. blacksmiths use the refinement skill to refine weapons AND armor /gg without equipping them, so you wouldn't have a point about "not being able to sell refined gear" either.  /hmm my move is not to force people to not do it, but to make it so people would have to go out of their way to do it.
« Last Edit: Jun 06, 2018, 02:21 PM by Blinzer »

Offline Kaleidoscope

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #12 on: Jun 06, 2018, 07:27 PM »
I am currently working on these exact concepts. I already have a Weapon and armor crafting schematic i just need a few people who have time to type it up.

I would love to talk more if you are interested. I am covering all server costs and have plenty of other resources at hand.


Sorry for the short reply but I am currently working!

Feel free to message me with your discord info and ill contact you asap!  /lv

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #13 on: Jun 06, 2018, 09:21 PM »
so you read a couple of the 2018 changes to a server that has been undergoing constant changes since 2014 and expect to understand why anything is being changed on the server at this point, without stepping foot in game a single time?  /no1

rElIaBlE sOuRcE oF cRiTiCiSm

you're talking air because you don't know how it works until you step into the game and play, i don't care how good you think you are at imagining what would happen ingame.

Well it is true there is no way i can get a complet feel within a few patch note read, but there is always dead give aways. The amount of changes is very reminiscent of renewal, renewal just has a over powered skill problem along with the previous RO problem which is too much over powered gear only for certain characters.
I read a few updates the equipment one was the most striking one as someone that did not think this through, just thought it was a "nice" idea and did it.
Who here ever played a game where items are force fully bound to your account once you use them.
I don't need game context to know that I don't want to play on an MMO that block the trade of ANY used items,
This eliminate helping your friend trying to join with your older gear or even temporary lending so they can accomplish something.
that's another way to amplify the problem RO has been having. Everyone plays alone and never care to build friendship.

You say economy is not the reason you made that change but in your update log you clearly state that it is

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the reason i made equipment account bound is not because of economy at all

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The economy is rock solid, but there is one rogue factor: selling back your weaker used gear to other players. This causes two problems: an over-inflation of strong equipment in the economy
That's kinda contradicting itself doesn't it? The economy is rock solid... but its inflating of items? Its not just about Zeny.
no matter if there is upgrade on it or not, its still just a ticket to unlock the item.
It's even worse for items that are extremely rare, but i have a feeling that is not a thing on your server considering the progression you're mentioning.
If very rare items are a thing then, entirely unjustified... lower gear should become more frequent to make place for the higher one.
That system only delays the inevitable by making it a more crappy experience. Delay is not a solution.

Fyi, you can easily kill a server by wiping it regularly.
I don't know about that, I have yet to see something like that fail.
I mean every server come to an end eventually but
it is definitely going to last longer than any server last these days.
And if people don't like the wipe, that's why the legacy server is there.
When the main server come to an end, take every account and character add
_v1 so on at the end and put them on the legacy server.
that's just one option.
« Last Edit: Jun 06, 2018, 09:28 PM by Lioran »

Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #14 on: Jun 12, 2018, 04:18 PM »
Your implication was that "economy" mainly relates to zeny and its inflation, whereas the way I used economy in that context was very obviously related to the flow of items into the economy and the way that affects the availability of gear. You can't take two different uses of the word and overlap them and then claim I'm contradicting myself. On top of it, I clearly state there that the economy is rock solid and it's only to cut out people from recycling(which is what I repeated here), so the contradiction you claim to point out doesn't even make sense. It almost seems like a desperate attempt to criticize something you've only thought about at a very shallow level.

Again, you keep trying to associate old and outdated concepts to my server. You've lived in a private server world where for the past 10 years MVP cards have been made extremely hard to get and are scarce, and that would be a problem if it was bound to equipment forever, I agree! It's unfortunate that everything in my design, including MVP cards, don't fulfill that role at all and are designed for everyone to have access to all of them. You may be scared of MVP cards tearing any balance in your version of the game if everyone had them, but I am not; and anyone who tries to preserve the bad culture of infinitely extending the lategame through a gimmicky bingo party is a fool.

"Delaying something"? "Making the game more solo based"? Don't make me laugh. I'll give you 1000 dollars if you can ever get 50 million zeny on my server completely by yourself and without ever interacting with anyone. Put your hands where your mouth is.
« Last Edit: Jun 12, 2018, 05:04 PM by Blinzer »

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #15 on: Jun 13, 2018, 02:44 PM »
You're not making any sense now. Economy is economy, i never mentionned zeny being the sole factor of economy.

I'll give you 1000 dollars if you can ever get 50 million zeny on my server completely by yourself and without ever interacting with anyone. Put your hands where your mouth is.
What does that even mean? Does that level of difficulty apply to 5million aswell?
if I need to interact with others to get zeny, are zeny created from certain interactions... or do I get zeny by selling stuff to them and if so how are they getting zeny but I can't?

With no context what I'm getting from this is I have to enter in some kind of transaction OR you can not earn currency while solo farming(both equally stupid).
Why do you pride on having hard to earn currency... that doesn't accomplish anything. You're economy is rock solid cause its non existent, Wouldn't be surprised if people used other stuff then zeny as currency(probably why you're trying to dictate equipment flow aswell). I just have no idea what to think from that statement. Either you removed a 0 from the economy and you're proud of it. Or you made it impossible to earn zeny. Which again... doesn't change anything. All that affect is the ecosystem of your server which is only dictated by NPC prices. I hope you lowered consumable prices else I can't imagine anyone using them with what you're saying.

whatever... I lost interest in this conversation or your server.
Either terrible at taking criticism or really bad at conveying information, I can't tell. Probably ban players for saying "server sucks" too
« Last Edit: Jun 13, 2018, 03:00 PM by Lioran »

Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #16 on: Jun 13, 2018, 11:11 PM »
You're not making any sense now. Economy is economy, i never mentionned zeny being the sole factor of economy.
What does that even mean? Does that level of difficulty apply to 5million aswell?
if I need to interact with others to get zeny, are zeny created from certain interactions... or do I get zeny by selling stuff to them and if so how are they getting zeny but I can't?

With no context what I'm getting from this is I have to enter in some kind of transaction OR you can not earn currency while solo farming(both equally stupid).
Why do you pride on having hard to earn currency... that doesn't accomplish anything. You're economy is rock solid cause its non existent, Wouldn't be surprised if people used other stuff then zeny as currency(probably why you're trying to dictate equipment flow aswell). I just have no idea what to think from that statement. Either you removed a 0 from the economy and you're proud of it. Or you made it impossible to earn zeny. Which again... doesn't change anything. All that affect is the ecosystem of your server which is only dictated by NPC prices. I hope you lowered consumable prices else I can't imagine anyone using them with what you're saying.

whatever... I lost interest in this conversation or your server.
Either terrible at taking criticism or really bad at conveying information, I can't tell. Probably ban players for saying "server sucks" too

If you give up on a conversation like this so easily, you will surely give up far before you are able to bring into reality anything concrete that can change the world.

You did your best effort at trying to prove a point, and for that I commend you. Your reasoning ability is decent but your game knowledge is poor, and that is why you find yourself unable to bring this conversation in a direction that will give you the right answers. I can very clearly see you're not just randomly saying stuff, but I can also see you are equally unwilling to admit you are wrong. So I only have this to ask you: who do you want to be?

Your current position is saying "I bet you ban players" to a person who has never banned a player in his entire career. It's also pretty much the living example of everything you're doing wrong right now: shiny and pretty in theory, dreadfully wrong in practice. The facts are against you, friend. It's not too late for you to change your ways, but it's going to have to start with you admitting that you're being a total prick right now.
« Last Edit: Jun 14, 2018, 12:47 AM by Blinzer »

Offline Yuzo

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #17 on: Jun 14, 2018, 01:36 AM »
Blinzer you realise no one is gonna play a server run by a person who intentionally gives themselves a bad reputation? bad publicity. bad public relations.

Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #18 on: Jun 14, 2018, 01:57 AM »
Blinzer you realise no one is gonna play a server run by a person who intentionally gives themselves a bad reputation? bad publicity. bad public relations.



so either i get to prove that my server is so good no amount of me being a s*** can stop it, or i get to prove that my mouth is so powerful i can single handedly stop the entirety of humanity from advancing?

SEEMS LIKE A WIN WIN TO ME

it's my creation, whether you like it or not. you don't want to play on my server just because i'm the one who made it? DON'T, you can instead die of a slow, rotting, painful death in your bland and outdated game. quit acting like you have some sort of power over me ROFL.  i don't need your money, i don't need your s*** input, and i don't need you. i already accomplished what i wanted to do, as long as i have a copy of my server in my usb key i can die happy knowing i made RO the game it should have always been. i did the entire thing alone with none of your help, you're useless to me. the people who want to play a good game will come, and there's not a god damn thing you can do about it.

it's been a while since i did a full scale brawl against a bunch of idiots, do we have any other takers? don't be shy now, i promise i'm just one guy.
« Last Edit: Jun 14, 2018, 03:35 AM by Blinzer »

Offline rubie123

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #19 on: Jun 14, 2018, 03:27 AM »
@Blinzer: Your server sounds like a painful mess.  /wah

Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #20 on: Jun 14, 2018, 03:37 AM »
@Blinzer: Your server sounds like a painful mess.  /wah

I TAKE IT BACK, FALSE ALARM there will not be a brawl today, i can't handle that many extra chromosomes

listen buddy, i believe you. really! but can we get a picture of your face first so we know who's talking?
« Last Edit: Jun 14, 2018, 03:50 AM by Blinzer »

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #21 on: Jun 14, 2018, 08:09 AM »
I TAKE IT BACK, FALSE ALARM there will not be a brawl today, i can't handle that many extra chromosomes
Nothing like calling people trisomic to prove your superiority and everyone's falsity.

Kinda understand why you have a bad reputation now.
You can't think straight, you just resort to insults very easily when you lose an argument. You contradict yourself and claim you didn't by saying we just don't understand and don't even attempt to explain. Words are pretty straight forward homie... sorry to say but you failed the decency test on that one.

My original post to you was just a bait to see how you reacted if people complained or criticized you and your response is kinda getting out of hand at this point.
You directly dismissed it. At that point it doesn't matter if the changes are right or wrong. The response is definitely wrong and uncalled for.
I have seen game dev react the way you are right now, and those dev get booted out of the industry pretty f*** fast.
I pointed out what I THINK was wrong with what I've first seen from your server and you get super defensive instead of trying to explain, shutting up would have been a better option.

People are gonna play your server I'm sure, but its not gonna last, at least not in a healthy way.
With the reaction you have shown so far, you're kinda losing everyone trust as someone that can host a ragnarok server in a professional way.
If you act like that on a forum, I don't even want to start imagining in a setting where you have full control.
If you wanna act like a jackass to try to defend your server, kinda shows to me that you don't even believe in your own work yourself.
Please go make a fool of yourself somewhere else. I'm being serious about wanting a custom server that respect RO orignal mechanic, not a travesty of your idea of what RO should be.

Offline yennar

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #22 on: Jun 14, 2018, 09:16 AM »
well, one troll tells the other troll off - RMS never fails to amuse me.

Blinzer has one over you: he already got a server, which he designed as he wished and which will be up and running soon. That is real work, real dedication.
I have seen so much people here talking about "what ifs" and whatnot, they are all just talkers. If you would develop your own servers out there, the RO servers wouldn't be so alike.

Ppl like blinzer are sympathic to me, as i know they are "real" and i can guess their motives are pure.
Do i find blinzer arrogant? surely.
Do i find him way over the top aggressive? yes, yes he is. And he's also a narcist.
But i can trust that he does what he loves, and I can trust that he has dedicated years of work for a new, remodeled RO. This is also the reason why i will test this new invention of his.
I can't find anything worthwile from the rest here.

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #23 on: Jun 14, 2018, 10:08 AM »
well, one troll tells the other troll off - RMS never fails to amuse me.

Blinzer has one over you: he already got a server, which he designed as he wished and which will be up and running soon. That is real work, real dedication.
I have seen so much people here talking about "what ifs" and whatnot, they are all just talkers. If you would develop your own servers out there, the RO servers wouldn't be so alike.

Ppl like blinzer are sympathic to me, as i know they are "real" and i can guess their motives are pure.
Do i find blinzer arrogant? surely.
Do i find him way over the top aggressive? yes, yes he is. And he's also a narcist.
But i can trust that he does what he loves, and I can trust that he has dedicated years of work for a new, remodeled RO. This is also the reason why i will test this new invention of his.
I can't find anything worthwile from the rest here.
Can't argue with that other than i didn't judge him on his server, i judged him on how he acted toward my immediate impression of his server.
Doesn't matter what you have if at the end of the day you act like an a******.
He might have an RO server he worked on for a long time. But he has no respect for others that dont agree with him and doesn't deserve any back either.
If you want to respect someone for what they work on but not how they behave that's your choice not mine and i can't take that away from you neither can you.

I've worked on project thousand of people enjoyed in the past and that does not mean i'm worth respecting more than the next guy.
If you can't act in public, don't be in public.

Offline yennar

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #24 on: Jun 14, 2018, 10:30 AM »
Can't argue with that other than i didn't judge him on his server, i judged him on how he acted toward my immediate impression of his server.
Doesn't matter what you have if at the end of the day you act like an a******.
He might have an RO server he worked on for a long time. But he has no respect for others that dont agree with him and doesn't deserve any back either.
If you want to respect someone for what they work on but not how they behave that's your choice not mine and i can't take that away from you neither can you.

I've worked on project thousand of people enjoyed in the past and that does not mean i'm worth respecting more than the next guy.
If you can't act in public, don't be in public.

A lecture of judging and morality from the biggest whiner / flamer from Epicro. It's really cute.
Try a mirror.

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Offline Yuzo

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #25 on: Jun 14, 2018, 11:05 AM »
Blinzer you been talking so much trash for three years now saying your server is the greatest. But you know people will probably check it out, considering the amount of crap you've talked about it. Even though you've only ever been vague af and never detailed anything.


And then what? If everyone says your server sucks and nobody plays it, then you will either get depressed or go insane (convince yourself "they're wrong"). I guess you're already insane though, so even if you fail, you've not failed in your own mind. By the way, right now you are marketing your server.

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #26 on: Jun 14, 2018, 11:11 AM »
A lecture of judging and morality from the biggest whiner / flamer from Epicro. It's really cute.
Try a mirror.

PS: I'm the president from Bangladesh.
Clearly just trying to push buttons while having no ground to stand on, You call me a troll when I'm the one that started the post asking for a legit question and you post stuff like this.
Bringing me up trying to get people to play more together on a server that's in decline because everyone is so unfriendly and label me "Biggest Whiner /  flamer".
Sorry for wanting better for the server I play on. I've seen multiple people quit cause nobody wants to play with others on that server.
When people PM me over the GM saying server is not fun cause of the players, That's a problem. Seeing the GM online less and less as time goes is also a sign.

This is why i started this post, this Solo everything RO s*** needs to stop. I can do everything alone too and its not fun. I want to party with people and share loot, but people act like if they share loot their life gets shorter. I like to solo farm for small items and stuff but when i do big MVP or high end areas, I want there to be people to play with not just 4 box and get everything alone.

When you're at the point where you've done Thanatos tower and beelzebub alone even though there is people to party with around and you'Re asking daily, that mean your server has a player attitude issue and should be shut down.

What the f*** is wrong with this community. GOD FORBIDE YOU PLAY AN MMO WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
Everyone found out how to solo everything and they think they're good for it... NO YOU'RE NOT, EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT TOO.

Congrats Blinzer the only guy defending you is the type of player you're trying to avoid on your server. He won't stay cause he won't be able to asura portal everything.
Cause if he plays EpicRO... that's all this server has remaining. Have fun with that

There some whining for you. If you feel offended by this post... You're probably a Champ main and doesn't actually like RO.

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Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #27 on: Jun 14, 2018, 01:42 PM »
Sounds like an interesting server concept! The games I've enjoyed most have always had both options.


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Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #28 on: Jun 14, 2018, 02:38 PM »
-editted it all out-


THIS IS A ONE TIME WONDER
« Last Edit: Jun 14, 2018, 03:25 PM by Blinzer »

Offline yennar

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #29 on: Jun 14, 2018, 03:09 PM »
@Lioran Thanks for confirming my post :)

For better argumentation against me let me help you and tell you about my time on EpicRO. You could also ask, but i do not think you're that willing to discuss:
(click to show/hide)

I called you a flamer/whiner, not a troll. There is a difference.
The main problem is not your content, neither here nor on epicRo. The main problem is the whining and b**** without end. You're not constructive, you're destructive.
So no, i do not say your idea is bad, really. I think it's great. I like  custom servers, i am looking for custom servers. I love new solutions to the many problems RO has.

It's just as you said before:

"Doesn't matter what you have if at the end of the day you act like an a******.
He might have an RO server he worked on for a long time. But he has no respect for others that dont agree with him and doesn't deserve any back either."

Well, it's the same with you, you act like a jerk just without any work which can back you up. You're just a hypocrite.


I do not need to defend blinzer, and i won't defend blinzer.
I say what i think is right.  I said i will test the server, as i test every custom server out there. If the server is good it is good. If the server is bad it is bad. I won't defend something trashy and i won't trash something good - it's simple as that.
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I would also test your server, if you make one, because it IS interesting to look at custom solutions (except it goes high rate)


PS:
I think the best solution for you would be to quit ro completely and not look back.
I do not mean this in a bad way.I do not think you will find a server at the moment, which will satisfy your needs.
I know this problem, as i have the same problem as you. I also see many flaws in this game, i know that things like asura spam and solo-mvping aren't good for the game. RO could be much more, but it's just that this game is really old and has it's flaws. You will not find many people who are willing to dedicate time in this game except you pay for them. You won't find many people joining new servers (and stay there), just shifting from one to the next or coming/going. If you're going to create something new, you will need much time. Too much time for an old game like RO. The community isn't getting bigger, it gets smaller and there are still new servers out every other day. Why not trying other games?


edit: ah i see, blinzer goes at it again... I'm opting out here. see ya @ll
« Last Edit: Jun 14, 2018, 03:14 PM by yennar »

Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #30 on: Jun 14, 2018, 03:25 PM »
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edit: ah i see, blinzer goes at it again... I'm opting out here. see ya @ll

fine dude i'll edit it out, but only because you were nice


i was really proud of my work in that post too

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #31 on: Jun 14, 2018, 05:51 PM »

well, one troll tells the other troll off - RMS never fails to amuse me.
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I called you a flamer/whiner, not a troll. There is a difference.

Hmmmmmmm (twisty effect)


rejoined again and quitted completely when they decided to go for the mainstream and upped the rates to 30x~50x

I joined WAY after that... so how do you know i'm on epicRO exactly? I guess you did not completly quit cause you're obviously still logging in.

This is kinda sad to read. What's with people contradicting themselves and being in complete denial on this forum.
Skipping over facts to make you look good is not gonna work


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Well, it's the same with you, you act like a jerk just without any work which can back you up. You're just a hypocrite.

This is the reason why nobody respect anyone on the internet. You put me on the same level as someone that resort to insults when arguments don't go their way.
I'm keeping it real while pointing out what i think is wrongly said. I said the concerns I had with what I saw... if he like or doesn't like what I said its not my problem.


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I say what i think is right.

Apparently you thought joining mid argument to point out that i play the server you play on and claim I whine with no context was the right thing to do.
Maybe you're not as holy as you think you are if you think that way. Either you are completly disconnected from reality or you were just trying to stir stuff up for the heck of it


Clearly just trying to push buttons while having no ground to stand on

Who said that?... oh that's me.


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I'm opting out here. see ya @ll
I guess you won't be reading this then. It's like he knew... hmmmm

Offline yennar

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #32 on: Jun 15, 2018, 03:29 AM »
Nitpicking here~ well, it's fine, if that is the way you want to discuss.

Hmmmmmmm (twisty effect)

Okay, sorry for that, you are correct. I called you a troll too. I forgot the first sentence of my 2nd post in this thread.

And now i will show you exactly, why i said that:

Quote from: Lioran
My original post to you was just a bait to see how you reacted if people complained or criticized
This is the exactly what defines a troll and a troll does.
You can tell everyone how you're
Quote from: Lioran
keeping it real
, but you yourself already admitted you were trolling. So, do not blame me for that one.


Quote from: Lioran
I joined WAY after that... so how do you know i'm on epicRO exactly? I guess you did not completly quit cause you're obviously still logging in.

This is kinda sad to read. What's with people contradicting themselves and being in complete denial on this forum.
Skipping over facts to make you look good is not gonna work

Stop the flame and the assumptions, just ask, i normally don't bite (much)

As i told you i made many friends on EpicRO, so of course i'm still in discord, talking to some friends and reading about the server development. Still: I haven't logged on EpicRO for many month now.


Quote from: Lioran
This is the reason why nobody respect anyone on the internet. You put me on the same level as someone that resort to insults when arguments don't go their way.

But you do something similar, do you? You just make assumptions, mix it with whine/flame and b*tch about the Community. I just quote yourself for this
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This is kinda sad to read.

As you do it all the time, I will do the same now, let me make an assumption about you:
(click to show/hide)


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Either you are completly disconnected from reality or you were just trying to stir stuff up for the heck of it
yes yes, you should focus your full hate onto me. If you think i try to sir stuff up, why are you even answering me? You yourself are doing exactly this, stirring things up.
let me ask you a question: What is your goal in this thread? Is it not to find people for a project? Your last post is just fishing for another discussion. Well, here i am again.


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If you act like that on a forum, I don't even want to start imagining in a setting where you have full control.
<-- Mirror mirror on the wall ...


so, Lioran, what are we doing now?
I think I am right with my postings and i see you as a hypocrite, a whiner and a flamer.
You think you are right with your postings and see me as completely disconnected with reality here.
You can post again something aggressive against me, i do not really care, but it will not help you reach your main goal here: find people for your project.

Offline Lioran

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #33 on: Jun 15, 2018, 06:41 AM »
Just gonna say, it almost feel like you are not sure of the definition of most words you're using.
Kinda pointless to even argue with someone like that. It's like arguing science with my dad.

Troll:One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

Sounds familiar.

Bait(in this context): Trying to find one's true intention or motivation/behavior without directly asking.

how about that.

If a mod could remove every post that's related to the argument, that would be nice so we can get back on track.
« Last Edit: Jun 15, 2018, 06:51 AM by Lioran »

Offline yennar

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #34 on: Jun 15, 2018, 06:55 AM »
it's completely hopeless. Good luck out there /kis

Offline Achelexus

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #35 on: Aug 31, 2018, 11:28 PM »
The only server I've seen that attempts to rebalance things was Leika-RO, and that's a renewal server, so...

RO is such an old and archaic game, with so many classes with like 1 or 2 viable builds and so many pointless/useless skills. I wish more people attempted to rebalance how things work to enhance the experience.

By the way, making equipped items untradable is a pretty basic way to guarantee that items that aren't the absolute best still retain their value. Without it, as soon as people buy better gear, they can just sell back their old gear, thus never providing an item sink for low/mid level items. If anything, more MMOs/servers should try this mechanic.

Offline iEnergizer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #36 on: Sep 01, 2018, 02:05 PM »
i dont know yall but i like blinzers confidence.
if you cant take the heat, you wont survive. RO is a survival game.


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Offline Blinzer

Re: Would there be a demand for Custom server like this
« Reply #37 on: Sep 02, 2018, 06:58 AM »
By the way, making equipped items untradable is a pretty basic way to guarantee that items that aren't the absolute best still retain their value. Without it, as soon as people buy better gear, they can just sell back their old gear, thus never providing an item sink for low/mid level items. If anything, more MMOs/servers should try this mechanic.

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