WoE Servers and VisionRO 2.0

Started by Abversen, Nov 10, 2010, 12:39 PM

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Abversen

So I'm curious. Recently I've noticed a trend of people flocking to WoE orientated servers. I can't say I'm surprised, at the end of the day, it's what is most exciting in RO. So you get a server that hands you everything you need to WoE without overdoing it, then have a lot of WoE's, and on paper it sounds like a masterplan.

But I have to wonder why a lot of people say that they will play xx server until VisionRO2 opens up. I'm not trying to promote the server, even though I realize I'm doing so indirectly. It's just that I didn't even play the first one. What makes this server stand out from the others?

For there IS others, I've seen. But as it turns out, they just don't compare to this VisionRO2 I keep hearing about. Can anyone explain what makes this server so special? What's so amazing about it? Why is it so much better than other servers?


And as a bonus question, does anyone really think 1 WoE SE everyday at different times with different castles would make an ideal WoE orientated server, or would it be more far apart?

That's one thing I've noticed. Some of these servers hand you everything to WoE, it's all about WoE, only about WoE, yet there's only about 2-3 WoE's a week. What's the point?

MySassyAssy

#1
vRO v1 was similar to many of the WoE servers today with high rates and such (one of the first english-speaking ones). It had catered to some of the best english-speaking WoE guilds, but there were still issues that brought its end. However, knowing these mistakes and seeing what the WoE community wished for, vROv2 was created to address those important issues.

Rudolph Zyaber

I've never heard of these WoE servers before.  Good idea on paper.  Does it tend to work out o.k. in practice?  Sounds like something I'd be interested in.
Bleh

MySassyAssy

We'll see if it works out or not. It's like a permanent SuperWoE

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KaneJcoke

Quote from: MySassyAssy on Nov 11, 2010, 12:26 PM
vRO v1 was similar to many of the WoE servers today with high rates and such (one of the first english-speaking ones). It had catered to some of the best english-speaking WoE guilds, but there were still issues that brought its end. However, knowing these mistakes and seeing what the WoE community wished for, vROv2 was created to address those important issues.

Many cute words but it doesn't address anything at all. What important issues?

What was similar with vRO1 vs (in your words) WoE servers today with high rates and such?
Posted on: Nov 12, 2010, 12:59 am
Quote from: Abversen on Nov 10, 2010, 12:39 PM
So I'm curious. Recently I've noticed a trend of people flocking to WoE orientated servers. I can't say I'm surprised, at the end of the day, it's what is most exciting in RO. So you get a server that hands you everything you need to WoE without overdoing it, then have a lot of WoE's, and on paper it sounds like a masterplan.

But I have to wonder why a lot of people say that they will play xx server until VisionRO2 opens up. I'm not trying to promote the server, even though I realize I'm doing so indirectly. It's just that I didn't even play the first one. What makes this server stand out from the others?

For there IS others, I've seen. But as it turns out, they just don't compare to this VisionRO2 I keep hearing about. Can anyone explain what makes this server so special? What's so amazing about it? Why is it so much better than other servers?


And as a bonus question, does anyone really think 1 WoE SE everyday at different times with different castles would make an ideal WoE orientated server, or would it be more far apart?

That's one thing I've noticed. Some of these servers hand you everything to WoE, it's all about WoE, only about WoE, yet there's only about 2-3 WoE's a week. What's the point?

There is a few fundamental problems with WoE servers that doesn't have a pvm part. First is the problem with zeny. There wont be any economy on this server incase you cant come up with some really brilliant idea that changes things to work in their benefit. Second is the problem with keeping players attached to the server. What will they do when there is no WoE? Play battlegrounds, pvp or gvg. Third is the problem with EQ. There aren't many varieties of EQ to choose from on a server like vRO2. It'll be balanced fine but the many varieties of EQ setups you can do on an ordinary server doesn't exist here.

No offence against vRO2 at all, it's a good idea and I hope he can ace all of these issues that exists. Surely there is more issues than I've brought into light above and I am sure others will contribute with them.

MeowyMeow

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There's a reason why it's called a WoE oriented server. It doesn't focus on PvM and obtaining zeny, unlike in vROv1. Pano would probably have a way to counter that, that was one of the reasons why vROv1 was pretty much of a success in terms of competition and failure in other parts.

Well, the recent trend in WoE servers rising, i'd say they're all 'wannabe's actually. Just take a look @ pRO who claims that their own server is 'woe oriented' along with despicableRO. Their competition is AWFUL. Imho, I think server's that actually calls themselves WoE servers, aren't WoE players as much, of PvM instead, like they are just mild WoE-rs, without proper WoE background knowledge thus failing or maybe not even meeting the basic outlook of WoE 2010.

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Many have servers open thinking to be a woe oriented servers but every one forgot entertainment lies in leveling and grilling together
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Chojiro

Quote from: KaneJcoke on Nov 12, 2010, 09:14 AMThere is a few fundamental problems with WoE servers that doesn't have a pvm part. First is the problem with zeny. There wont be any economy on this server incase you cant come up with some really brilliant idea that changes things to work in their benefit. Second is the problem with keeping players attached to the server. What will they do when there is no WoE? Play battlegrounds, pvp or gvg. Third is the problem with EQ. There aren't many varieties of EQ to choose from on a server like vRO2. It'll be balanced fine but the many varieties of EQ setups you can do on an ordinary server doesn't exist here.

You made some good points.

Is it better for players that a WoE server has no MVP cards or that everyone can obtain the same gear, putting them on an equal level?

The idea of economy obviously is an issue for any server, a lot of things have to be taken into consideration since zeny (in-game currency) is important for donations. If people could not obtain items which affect the in-game experience, this would obviously cause a problem for the server funding. It will be interesting to see how this issue will be dealt with.
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tomosuke

vRO 2 has an Economy. But it's not Zeny, it's based of Coins/Points which allows you to have better gears. But its obtainable by everyone. (Donates, are still vague though)

:| No zeny

Also, grinding is probably something I don't like.

Rudolph Zyaber

http://www.astalavista.com/proxy/browse.php/Oi8vcGFz/dGViaW4u/Y29tL3N1/WUMzVjQ3/b5/

found this link while googling VisionRO 2.0. 

Seems interesting but you'd have to be a pvp nut to get any enjoyment out of this server since it doesn't even have the regular leveling maps.  Also no MVPing?  I guess different strokes for different folks.  I would probably give it a shot for at least a month.

Anyone know when it's coming online?
Bleh

Judgement

There's a post by the head GM that says they're expecting to be up at around Decemeber 1-3.  I'm excited. :)
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MeowyMeow

Well yeah, lol. There's an alpha client up already.

Rudolph Zyaber

Beta is up.  Sign up on the forums and d/l the beta client. 
Bleh

DeadOwnz

#13
Wow that was an idiodic post sorry i guess it was a temp bug but its fixed now.
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datme

Quote from: DeadOwnz on Nov 28, 2010, 06:53 PM
Pretty fun i was just on it, but the bad thing is that you cannot hide or CT with a whitesmith =/
wat?

MeowyMeow

Coming from essenceRO, obviously.

Chojiro

Well it's near the end of beta right now and a few guilds are here. The good thing about servers like these is that people or whole guilds can grab gears & mats and get ready for WOE very quickly (after some BGing). So even if guilds disappear, new ones will hopefully rise (also considering the guild member limit will be 48). Still interested about how donations will go.
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Pano

Quote from: DeadOwnz on Nov 28, 2010, 06:53 PM
Pretty fun i was just on it, but the bad thing is that you cannot hide or CT with a whitesmith =/
Did you even try?

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DeadOwnz

Pre-RO

Buckyx

visionro server full of AHK,WPE noobs

MeowyMeow

Quote from: Buckyx on Dec 04, 2010, 04:34 AM
visionro server full of AHK,WPE noobs

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U CRACKIN ME UP BRO

Drauger

Personally  I'm not interested in these kind of servers,  you can  read lots of comment from people  that play these kind of servers saying things like  " its takes the grind out of ro" " it's more balanced" and these kind of things but, isn´t grinding your mats for woe part of being a player?, also  getting your equipment personally i don't think it's fair that anyone that plays  3 o battlegrounds will get the same equipment as i, you can  say "well the mvp cards screw the game", and prolly you´re right but if you keep a really low rate on mvp cards (x1 for example) they should be avaible only for people really investing time in getting  these.

Worst is these servers are on 4-5 months tops get money out of donation then close, and in the process they´re killing RO.
Maybe they are a option for  people  that just don't have that much  time for playing RO cause real life, but I'm staying at normal RO with pvm pvp mvp  and all those , why cause i enjoy   doing  pvm,pvp,mvp.

Rudolph Zyaber

Another problem with these servers if you don't really get that social aspect.  Outside of GvG, you're pretty much freeforall PVP or Battlegrounds, and posting on the forums is not what I'd call MMO.  Then you're left with the negative aspects of the game that come with nothing but PVP and GVG which is e-peen wankery and drama. 



Bleh

Pano

You can like or not like my server. It's meant for a specific group of players that likes a specific thing about the game. That's all. Nobody's forcing you to like it or not.

Zereges

@Pano: I liked VRo1 server and if think I like VRo2 too. But personally I think that despite of "Official Release", there is lot of bugs
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Drauger

@Pano: My opinion it´s general, about every  WoE server not only yours, i can´t even tell if i like your server or not cause, i´m not even interested in playing in a WoE server.

DeadOwnz

Pre-RO

Zereges

But BGs really sux, ChronosRO has best BG system ever (expect for Inventory set of how it can be named - that you can say what consumables, boxes, etc, it takes out from kafra to your inventory)
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datme

BG was pretty fun the first few days however it really went down the drain. I blame flying side kick.

Rudolph Zyaber

I've been playing it a fair bit recently.

With regards to BG and FSK, I've been playing primarily a FSK spamming stalker and I've got to say that I've seen both sides of the coin. 

A good defense setup can stop stalkers from raping the crystal with FSK with a few champs on the crystal and a few wizards/profs and some acid demo creators for good measure.  Traps help a lot too.

On the other hand I have solo broken the crystal when there are no champions around.  No other class can kill me fast enough before I break it.  I've been on when there's times when the attacking side can't even get out of their base fast enough and it's broken. 

So yeah, I dunno about that. 

As regards of the WoE part, I dunno yet.  The guilds are so close-quarters with each other that I haven't been able to get into one yet so I can't say anything about that.
Bleh

KitKatBar

#30
Pumpkin is garbage and their GM team is oblivious to what a WOE ORIENTATED server means
Maybe they should have not opened it under that ruse [side note, they removed all traces of "woe orientated ragnarok online" from their site"]

Vision is garbage with a hint of orange
IDK if Vision TWO POINT OH can be fixed from its current state
BG will get boring after the 50th round of FSK stalkers stacked on a blue cube
I hear woe was good on Vision
Woe on pumpkin is 1v1 woe with random zerglings trying to break the emp
pumpkinRO is by far WORST SERVER OF ALL TIME actually surpassing LegacyROv1-v4

datme

I heard from a lot of people that LegacyRO was one of the greatest servers of all time.

Didn't play there though.

Maleficent

Wasn't feelRO a WoE-focused server again? I still can't see the reason why the admin left when it's at it's peak. Although I dunno what really happened. *Shrug*
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datme

Quote from: Maleficent on Dec 15, 2010, 12:16 AM
Wasn't feelRO a WoE-focused server again? I still can't see the reason why the admin left when it's at it's peak. Although I dunno what really happened. *Shrug*
FeelRO Shinai wasn't WoE focused even though it had some decent WoE's for a while. It was only rarely updated(Let's say a frequency of 2 to 3 months) and then the admin hosted the superwoe, after which he opened Airen which was supposed to be a ''WoE-oriented'' server although it kind of failed miserably at being one. Not to mention the admin disappeared after Airen, again.

Also it wasn't really at it's peak at all...