Whats with RO servers these days?

[SkylarNetwork]

What ever happened to when Ragnarok Online was about (Quality NOT Quantity)?

All i see these days are:
Servers made in a few hours
Server owners/GM's who never log on
Servers with no patchers
servers with no events
servers with that don't stay maintained
servers that fall due to lack of funding
Corrupt Servers

I mean whats the point of making a server that was made half ***  and never being on it or if you know you can't afford it or don't have the knowledge to do anything...

Honestly With the money 90% of people use to make a server with hosting and advertisements they could buy something really nice.
Ragnarok online servers these days have just become a SHORT TERM hundred(s) of dollar piece of crap stockpile on Private server listing websites.

Are people really that stupid these days............


If someone took the time to research what players want in a RO server and knew how to make and maintain a server in and out,that had the time and money. I can guarantee people would flood a server like that.

[Judgement]

You new here?  Been going on since 2008 or later.

That's why I never join any new servers, unless it's WoE related high rate (takes a day to gear up, then just BG/WoE err day).


And on the last part, naw not really.  The general RO population is so f*** picky that you'll most likely never get players like that anymore (unless a large new playerbase comes in out'a nowhere).

[Triper]

Are people really that stupid these days............

What do you think?

If someone took the time to research what players want in a RO server and knew how to make and maintain a server in and out,that had the time and money. I can guarantee people would flood a server like that.

Already made sometimes and until now every single server damn failed lol

[yC]

Those that have skills are either hired by server that have been running for years or already running their own servers.

We say this every once in a while: server are too easy to make it's not a good thing. 

Actually all the "side businesses" are making big bucks from helping generic server to differentiate themselves with nice website, eye catching map/custom.  You see the problem, these don't make a good server but there is no solution yet.  They human resource is the key, you need a owner that can stay interested in running a server, you need staff that know what they are doing, you need to have a funding source outside of donation for at least 6 months before the server open -- for the very least.  Obviously there are more people that start a server like tossing a coin in the wish pool, hoping to make money from the server and then close rinse and repeat.

It is already summarized here: http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/how-to-make-a-failed-ro-pserver/

As for

If someone took the time to research what players want in a RO server and knew how to make and maintain a server in and out,that had the time and money. I can guarantee people would flood a server like that.

I disagree, "market" is a weird thing.  The "market" changes and sometimes it depend on luck to gather a successful community.  You can have a perfect server that fail just as you can see a fail server that ... well have a high population, bring in 10 fold more donation than it needed to cover the bill and nobody seems to have a problem with it.

There are potential owners that do try to research by asking in forums what make a good server.  I can't say they get flooded with people when they open.

All i see these days are:
Servers made in a few hours -- No
Server owners/GM's who never log on -- Check
Servers with no patchers -- Check
servers with no events -- Check
servers with that don't stay maintained -- Check
servers that fall due to lack of funding -- Never
Corrupt Servers -- Never

^ haha that's the RMS test server.

I can't agree that servers need any event in order to be fun.  I can feel the pain of GM having to give events to players everyday or people will leave.  That is spoiled on the player's part.  The official RO is played with rarely if any events.  There are tons of quests to do plus PvM, PvP, bingo, missions from NPCs, instance dungeon, BG, WoE etc it is entertaining enough that people on the official server do not ask for event everyday.  I feel bad that poor GMs have to act like clown sometimes.  Who started it lol. 

[SkylarNetwork]

the part where i say "All i see these days" You can't really argue with me about that....... Those comments are from what I MYSELF have seen happen to servers that i played on. Therefore you can't say yes or no  to them........... You can't rightfully say someones opinion is wrong same thing here.


When i mentioned about the ideal server people would flood to....  A PRIME SERVER EXAMPLE IS Neu-RO before it shut down. They had hundreds of players a VAST MAJORITY of people loved that server and from DAY 1 it officialy launched the server had a WHACK of players. They had what a lot of people wanted in a server, they advertised properly, the server was balanced. They thought about there server and did research.  AND GUESS WHAT  PEOPLE FLOODED THE SERVER. (Somewhere along the lines something happened) I myself don't know what happened,

Servers like that are what i mean, Severs who know what they are doing will succeed far beyond that of a server opened in on a whim and done half a**. The market does not matter, sure people will join a crappy server regardless they might stay for a bit, but guess what they always leave. and as more and more servers get added the server those 10 people join will suffer a 95% chance of a shutdown.

A server owner who makes a server like Neu-RO will always succeed far beyond that of a server thats unprepared especially in the long run.


And YC i never said ANYTHING about a server should have events every day nor did i specify they were or were not GM ran events. But since you brought the topic up,

Any server owner who makes a server should either have events a few times a week or have some kind of event like Devil Square. Events are not always about the prises ones like devil square encourage players to work together and honestly if you work with a group of people in a event like Devil Sqaure a a few times you almost always become "ONLINE FRIENDS". which means a more active community and lets face it if you ENJOY playing online with those people every day your far less likely to just up and quit to a new server. SO yes YC events are needed to both entertain and keep players.

There is always someone with the perfect qualities to make a amazing RO server but getting the courage to make a server like that and sticking to what made the server amazing is a hard thing to keep doing these days.

[Strudel]

I didn't read all but I saw a few times Neu-RO and you sayin is a prime example of smth being the best server.
Neu-RO was by far not the best server. The staff wasn't all that good, the players weren't all that happy as you may think they were supposed to be or showing. The only thing that Neu-RO did is advertise eaMod really well get a lot of players in the first 1-2 months then never coming close to it's peak of 5xx again and dropping 50~100 players every 2weeks. The changes for GDB or others were also not changes that were supposed to have ever been made, because that's trying to make a carebear RO, and we've already got enough of those, just look at the super high rates with level 99/70 and 2 players on it.

There are a couple of servers out there that try to meet the standards of:
-GM's active
-Events frequently
-GM's friendly
-Population high
-Weekly updates

To name a few:
-LimitRO Metro - I try my best to keep players happy and to implement new things, I try to address all points.
-LimitRO Nova - Seph tries hard to do his own part in administrating Nova.
-DivinityRO - Cookie tries hard to do his thing, even though his web server is a fail, sry cookie.
-NemainRO - Tries from what I see sometimes, GM's are active, sometimes.

[Triper]

Sorry but even if NeuRO was ok in the start with the pure WoE guilds in there helping it become better and such, it ended fast to be a crap server because GM/Admin team couldn't handle it anymore at a point.

Not everybody can handle the stage when they're at the top and that's what happened.

You remember the madness of bugs that there was there and the wacked change about the nid mvp that was first without instance then it was with then it was again without and in the end it was super buged and how much the server was Credit Coins flooded to the point of a guild was selling CKs for 600+ credit coins near his end and some were paying it? lol

Or even the WPE problems that there was there? There was so many packet edition that some skills couldn't be stopped by anything and some players never died.

You remember that they knew that some of the GMs were going get busy in some weeks and no new gms were hired after the final time?

It's almost like managing a restaurant. Just because you've a good Chef it doesn't mean it will be the #1 in the zone.

Also, f*ck that devil square and dice events, they are so damn boring that I just want to say - "F*CK THIS SH*T, IT'S DAMN BORING!! HOW HIGH IS YOUR IQ TO THE POINT OF HAVING NO CREATIVITY TO MAKE SOMETHING NEW?" to every single GM that makes one. When will people understand that is possible to do more and different stuff that isn't always that stupid, repeatable and annoying thing. Lack of imagination much?

[yC]

Well yea, Neu-RO fail because of one of the reason you stated in your list.  Not sure what happened there from what I remember it was admin missing/busy.

If you want to know more of what happened, this might be a good read:

http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/neuro/

So it got the "do the right thing" to start off and then "do the fail thing" during operation 

[Myteriouss]

Don't start naming server's you've never played on or visited to fall under your list of Standards.

There are a couple of servers out there that try to meet the standards of:
-GM's active
-Events frequently
-GM's friendly
-Population high
-Weekly updates

Other then that, I can agree with everything 95% that has been stated but the fact that "ALL" servers are like this is false. 95% are, the 5% aren't.

@Triper, I just died when I saw that lmao.

[SkylarNetwork]

@ strudel No i did not say it was the best server i said they had the best launch a server can have when you do everything right. They also had the best kind of start a server can get. But like i said somewhere they fcked up as all servers do and didn't maintain the server.
I wasn't saying Neu-RO was the best server i was referring to they had what players wanted, advertised right which caused a "Flood" of people but they didn't take the effort to keep the players and maintain the server.  which is hence to my first paragraph.
And if they would have took the time and still had the motivation to fix what they needed i said the server would still be up with hundreds of players.

The whole point of the Neu-RO comparison was to make the point that the "market" doesn't matter when you do you stuff right you get a server starting off like Neu-RO. Which was a reply to YC's comment.



@triper Thats the whole point of what i am saying, Servers like NeuRO have great starts but they fck up somewhere and or can't maintain/handle it anymore so they let it fall and shut it down eventually.

Also dude wtf learn to read. I SAID EVENTS LIKE DEVIL SQAURE, i never said every server should have that ONE PARTICULAR EVENT. i said every server should have events. I was referring to Devil Square as a common one used.
I agree people should mix it up with a new one, but sadly most people dont which is hence to my ideal of servers don't have the motivation, or if they have the motivation they dont have the scripting abilities. You never find a server like you use to hence the topic.


@YC I thank you for the link but not, i honestly don't care what caused neu-RO to fall. As i stated servers like Neu-RO are PRIME EXAMPLE of how to start a server, and when you start a server the way Neu-RO did you get the "flood" of people they had like 500 players at the peek of the server.(not sure if that counts vendors). But to link it to my first post. server owners do not maintain or keep up the time they need and such to keep that XX amount of players.

All servers fail sooner or later due to the human nature one way or the other, But what happened to when servers lasted for years because they did things right was the whole meaning of this topic. And yes i know there is servers that have lasted for years still, but what i mean about this topic is what happened to when the vast majority of servers were like that not just 1 in basicly 1000 made.
As YC stated servers are easily made, but 95% of them are garbage. unlike the old days.
 


@ mysteriouss I played Neu-RO when it officialy launched.... (read above for details as to what i meant). If you were talking to Triper disregard the comment lol.......

[Gene]

I bet these "new" servers are owned by the same old server owners that kept on trolling people by renaming and etc etc.

At least I'm happy that I'm still staying on the same server for 2~3months now. Opened on december too. 

The research thing failed also(many have tried, but I don't see anything much actually).

But yeah mid rate with custom quests is the current trend. One where you could have many headgear quests and do level grinding and WoE/BG like npnp. If you remember VastRO and PumpkinRO those had a good start too :<

Maybe just me also, since some good admins might be those who owns third job+renewal servers, which I completely ignore and dislike.
Another lolol problem here is how some admins chose their GMs. "Female Only" "18+" etc etc actually some kids could do better. But yeah most problems I see are GM/Admin-Related like what you've said so they die.

[Triper]

(...)A PRIME SERVER EXAMPLE IS Neu-RO(...)Servers like that are what i mean, Severs who know what they are doing (...)

^ No great start in there and still didn't reached lv 101 where I read minds because all I see in there is that the server was with tons of players since day 1 until the end of it which isn't 100% true because when it was only after 1-2 months[I started to play at week 2 or 3 until near the end with some breaks in the middle] because luminaRO was without admin and screwed and so 90% of the players changed to NeuRO to use their free time there instead until lumina got fixed later.

Also dude wtf learn to read. I SAID EVENTS LIKE DEVIL SQUARE, i never said every server should have that ONE PARTICULAR EVENT. i said every server should have events. I was referring to Devil Square as a common one used.
I agree people should mix it up with a new one, but sadly most people dont which is hence to my ideal of servers don't have the motivation, or if they have the motivation they dont have the scripting abilities. You never find a server like you use to hence the topic.

Lasagna and pizza are like the same - food. Stupid/boring events are like that - stupid/boring

Also I never said one type[and I even gave 2 types of events in the post], I said that is events like that that all the freaking time make people get bored makes me wanting to slap sometimes people that only do that but still, they refuse to do others even if they know that it's boring and players hate because is easy to do and goes to their daily objective - give an event to players.

Also, nothing is perfect and getting near that is even more harder then being.

[SkylarNetwork]

@Gene
Lol i 100% agree  with the recycled servers made by the same owner. That always happens, you'd think after the 2nd+ attempt they would realize they shouldn't make one.

finding a server that people are willing and enjoy staying on for that long is a good and not so common thing these days.

When i say research, i mean find out what players want in a server, like common things. Try to take those things to the next lvl to make your server unique and stand out.

yeah RO is all about WOE and BG like stuff these days. People always want a quicker way to near end game content.(End game= stuff you can only do with maxed and geared char)

Its not just you, i find a lot of the servers with stuff i want and like are always 3rd job servers. I look at the RMS listing description and get overjoyed to see the perfect rates only do look a little farther to see 3rd jobs and or renewal mechanics. At that point i'm like a heart broken puppy haha.......


@Triper, Dont just read 1 sentence read the other paragraphs and topics before you make stupid comments like that. (the term "from day 1" means  from the first day to a later unspecified date). I did not say from day 1 to the day it closed). I also said repeatedly  throughout the paragraphs and topics and even in the same paragraph as i wrote "from day 1" in (somewhere they fcked up) And guess what when, you put that whole paragraph  and two and two together you get.( when the server opened on day 1 they had a whack of people but they fcked up somwhere during its progression) You dont need to read minds just be able to read and understand English.

As for the event reply, I miss-understood it. I see what u meant after reading it a few times.

For the people who want to pick my post and or others in this topic apart and be a troll , go somewhere else. I dont want this to turn into a flame thread.

[Myteriouss]

@Sky, I find that Third Jobs ruin it.. =/ Also, in my opinion, in order to make a server stand out is not to flipping add integration of pokemanz, naruto, bleach, and all this other anime things. There are other WAYS to make a server unique in the way the Owner's design the server. These integrations cause havoc down the road of progression of the server.

When I was searching for Servers, I cried when I found the exact rates I wanted but sad to see renewal mechanics and third jobs.. >.<! I love the new episodes that came out and the mobs/quests to come along with them. I just really hate the mechanics and third jobs ..>>

[SkylarNetwork]

@ mysteriouss haha no argument here i 100% agree...... I dont know why on earth people add pokemon and naruto and such to a server, in my opinion thats stupid i mean if i wanted to see pokemon or bleach and such, i'd go play a mmorpg game with them as the main story line and point of the game. (god knows there 1 for almost all of them).

Yeah I agree i also like the new monsters/quests/episodes.  But mechanics and 3rd jobs ruin it for me to.

Renewal mechanics and jobs are overpowered by themselves and especially when you have them both on a server. Also on a more selfish note i'm to damn lazy to learn another XX amount of ways to use/build the new classes and  add to my current knowledge of RO. I'm happy with what i know up untill just before 3rd jobs came out anything after that is to much work to learn lol