what would u do?

[laoganma]

what would u do if u see a corruption on a server u playing? u been playing for a while, u got donation items, good gears.

u see all the proofs r right in front of u waiting to be exposed.

3 options :

a. leave.

b. join the corruption.

c. fight for a change.


my opinion :

i would at least try to fight for a change, cuz by just leaving the server makes me feel like a coward running away from nothing, its not like they gonna come over to ur house and kick ur donkey lol.

joining the corruption will only make me feel like a bigger loser, its like seeing a 16 years old picking on a 12 years old and instead of helping the 12 years old u help the 16 years old just because u fear him.

[Guest]

i chose my own option, i sit, i watch, i listen, and i log it
and i keep it just because

[laoganma]

basically u chose to leave cuz u r doing nothing to either help or make it worst.

[Guest]

not really, i just do what i normally do, nothing changes at all the only thing different is that i log it

[Descent]

I would do a barrel roll.

[laoganma]

judging from ur post counts im sure u know thats not the kind of answer im looking for.

to the next posters please, choose one out of 3 options and please state the reason why you chose it and why you would not do the other 2.

thank you.

[Auroraâ„¢]

I kind of agree with JJJ.

A. Leaving, to me, is the best option. It's not cowardly, nor is it running away from a problem, mainly because it's a problem you had nothing to do with. Corruption's going to happen, lets face it, though it doesn't make it okay, sometimes there's nothing you can do. If corruption is going to happen, then it's going to happen, and sometimes it's better to just let it settle itself. The best option you can always choose is walking away, in my personal opinion. No, it doesn't make you better than the other person(s), because in all honesty, no one is better than anyone, because we all have our own different faults that puts each of us on the same level, in a technical sense. There are those people who learn faster than others, and there are also people who know more than others, or aren't as ignorant as others, but when it comes down to it, no one, in all honesty, is better than anyone. A lot of people disagree with that because of their own reasons, but from my experience, that's what I've come to. XD

B. If you care about the server, then joining the corruption would make you a hypocrite. Joining the corruption is aiding in taking down the server, and is also aiding in showing people that, inside, you couldn't care less about the server, or its people.

C. Fighting for a change, most of the time, ends up being just as bad as joining the corruption. Most people take fighting for change too far, and, in turn, turn out to be just as corrupt as the people who started whatever the situation may be. These people who claim to be fighting for change, are only fueling the fire that's already been started by flaming, trolling, or whatever means they deem necessary, be it intentional or not. There are some people who know when and where, as well as how, but it's hard to find people who actually know how to fight, without giving the server they care for a bad reputation, or, make themselves seem like one of the corrupt bodies.

Basically, I would simply walk away from a server full of corruption, and let it settle its own disputes. x_o

[laoganma]

A. Leaving, to me, is the best option.

C. Fighting for a change, most of the time, ends up being just as bad as joining the corruption... but it's hard to find people who actually know how to fight, without giving the server they care for a bad reputation, or, make themselves seem like one of the corrupt bodies.

if u care about the server why leave? the most common reason why corruption still goin on is because they think nobody would/can do anything, nobody gonna know, by trying to fight you let them know that what they are doing is NOT ok, that if they keep on doing it, its going to be bad for their reputation.

if you see your sister is being bullied, if you care for her, would you just walk away and hope that she can settle the problem by herself? if yes, what if it gets worse? what if she ended up with broken bones or something even worse, death?

[Auroraâ„¢]

A. Leaving, to me, is the best option.

C. Fighting for a change, most of the time, ends up being just as bad as joining the corruption... but it's hard to find people who actually know how to fight, without giving the server they care for a bad reputation, or, make themselves seem like one of the corrupt bodies.

if u care about the server why leave? the most common reason why corruption still goin on is because they think nobody would/can do anything, nobody gonna know, by trying to fight you let them know that what they are doing is NOT ok, that if they keep on doing it, its going to be bad for their reputation.

if you see your sister is being bullied, if you care for her, would you just walk away and hope that she can settle the problem by herself? if yes, what if it gets worse? what if she ended up with broken bones or something even worse, die?

If you care about the server enough, you aren't going to do something that could further the corruption and just make the situation worse and, indefinitely, lead to the ultimate death of the server.

There's a difference between letting someone know what they're doing is wrong, and "fighting" to change the server. I've been there not too long ago, and it doesn't turn out to be such a pretty thing and usually, in worst case scenario, makes a mountain out of a mole hill.

[laoganma]

If you care about the server enough, you aren't going to do something that could further the corruption and just make the situation worse and, indefinitely, lead to the ultimate death of the server.

im not sure what this means, could you give an example?

[Descent]

judging from ur post counts im sure u know thats not the kind of answer im looking for.

to the next posters please, choose one out of 3 options and please state the reason why you chose it and why you would not do the other 2.

thank you.

Oh I'm sorry.

I choose option #4: Make a thousand threads on RMS until people eventually stop listening. You know, I like to call it the "laoganma" option.

It's not very easy to spark change in a server. The only way to spark a change, realistically, is to leave.

An RO server is somewhat like a business. Think of the players as customers. If the customers don't like how the business is going, one bad experience turns into two, into four, into eight, into sixteen, into thirty-two, the results can be exponential. A saying that I've heard over five years of RO is "one bad experience can lose up to fifty players in one shot". Eventually, the business(server) loses enough customers(players) to the point where they are forced with a decision: Either change how things are run, or shut down. If they don't change how things are run, when new customers show up, they will quickly be driven away by either past testimonials(RMS Reviews), word of mouth(former players), et cetera. If they DO change how things are run, there may be a chance. The reality of it is that most servers will end up shutting down, because by the time the staff realizes their mistakes, it's too little, too late.

There's nothing "cowardly" about leaving. No offense, but you have some major delusions of grandeur to think it's "brave" to stick around a server you don't like and continue to "fight the good fight", which, as Aurora has stated, isn't very smart in and of itself; rather than become part of the solution, you will start becoming part of the problem, possibly faster than the "corruption" itself.

[Auroraâ„¢]

Well, a good example would be like something that JJJ said in one of his topics:

A player is on a server, he has a level 97 Whitesmith, and over 15 million zeny to his name, he is fully geared for war of emperium, and has more pots then he'll ever need. Then he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone. But here's the thing, he still plays there everyday, with his friends and his guild, yet everyday he does everything in his power to hurt the server.

Another example would be:

Say a player has been playing a server for quite some time now. They've got a nice group of good, honest friends. They're active on the forums, attend events as much as possible, suggests things to try and help out the server. Occasionally they enter PvP for a little fun, and occasionally they go off and quest, or whatever it is they do to earn things on said server. Most of the time this player is sitting around, helping others, or posting on the forums. Say, a staff member decides that they're going to abuse, or do something way out of context that causes them to be labeled as corrupt, but what's this? The administrator has decided to overlook it, and keep said staff member on the team. This outrages said player, and he decides to bring it to the community's attention. Now, because he has started this topic on the forums, or openly voiced his opinion in-game, this said staff member begins ridiculing said player in the most discrete manner he can think of, and asks his friends to pitch in by KoSing said player in PvP with a legit (or just his friends in general KoSing said player), making it so this player could not attend any events, and attempted to defile his name and turn the community against him. This player decides that he wants to fight for the server he's become attached to, and confronts said staff member. Staff member becomes outraged (which is more than often the case) and takes it a little too far. They begin lying about said player, or starting rumors. Publicly insulting him, and yet, the administrator still pays no mind to it, so the player begins to openly insult them back, or even constantly attempt to call them out on the corruption they are, in fact, committing, which causes a domino effect of players insulting the staff members or vice versa, and all chaos breaks loose. Players start leaving because they're fed up with the fighting and the drama, some staff members decide to quit and move on, and all-in-all, the server is beginning to rapidly fall from the pedal stool that it was on.

I've seen situations like this, and similar to this, far too many times to know that a lot of the time, when it comes to corruption amongst the server, fighting to make things better isn't always the best thing to do.

I can understand what you're saying when you say leaving a server you care about is bad, I feel that way too, but when it's either fighting for what you believe is right, and causing even more drama, or leaving with the chance that the drama might decline just a little bit, I would choose to leave. x_x;

An RO server is somewhat like a business. Think of the players as customers. If the customers don't like how the business is going, one bad experience turns into two, into four, into eight, into sixteen, into thirty-two, the results can be exponential. A saying that I've heard over five years of RO is "one bad experience can lose up to fifty players in one shot". Eventually, the business(server) loses enough customers(players) to the point where they are forced with a decision: Either change how things are run, or shut down. If they don't change how things are run, when new customers show up, they will quickly be driven away by either past testimonials(RMS Reviews), word of mouth(former players), et cetera. If they DO change how things are run, there may be a chance. The reality of it is that most servers will end up shutting down, because by the time the staff realizes their mistakes, it's too little, too late.

.. and, as sad as this is, it's undeniably true. It's hard to get a general population back after a blow such as corruption to the server. It's a leading cause of death to servers, in all honesty.

[Hutchy]

I think it's damn obnoxious to think that you alone should stay with hopes of changing the whole server. Seeing as they're privately owned and operated, wouldn't that mean you'd have to hijack it in some way, shape or form? I mean, if it's that bad in the first place, it's clear the admin doesn't really care.

It's very noble to want your place to change for the better. Whether the flaws of your current server bother you or not, everyone takes some sort of pride in where they play, and I think everyone at some point wants to "save" their server of choice. But you can only complain so many times. If they don't want to listen to you, they don't have to. Sad but true.

Unless you somehow manage to get the whole server on your side, and quit. Which is highly unlikely; people are all talk, especially on the internet, and even more so in MMOs. What Descent said rings true; a small negative experience can become a huge one and a big loss for the server, but that's the only situation I can think of that'd force an admin/GM to change his/her ways.

Best thing to do, imo, is voice your discontent, wait for a change, and if none occurs, up and leave to find the place that better suits you.

[laoganma]

judging from ur post counts im sure u know thats not the kind of answer im looking for.

to the next posters please, choose one out of 3 options and please state the reason why you chose it and why you would not do the other 2.

thank you.

Oh I'm sorry.

I choose option #4: Make a thousand threads on RMS until people eventually stop listening. You know, I like to call it the "laoganma" option.

flame-bait, very mature.

Well, a good example would be like something that JJJ said in one of his topics:

A player is on a server, he has a level 97 Whitesmith, and over 15 million zeny to his name, he is fully geared for war of emperium, and has more pots then he'll ever need. Then he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone. But here's the thing, he still plays there everyday, with his friends and his guild, yet everyday he does everything in his power to hurt the server.

i agree if this is what u mean, this is idiotic if his intention is to "fight for a change", it shows how childish the player is and nobody is going to believe eventho what he is trying to say is true.

The reality of it is that most servers will end up shutting down, because by the time the staff realizes their mistakes, it's too little, too late.

the sooner you make them realize the better for the server, assuming that the server admin is mature enough, but GMs or server admin tend to think that they are always right, which leads to the death of the server, its all about the maturity level of the server admin.

[Descent]

flame-bait, very mature.

Oh, you want to talk "mature"? It's SO mature to keep making these subtle attacks on NFRO. I don't even play there, and I'm sick of seeing you post ever-so-slightly about "corruption" this and "corruption" that. We all know what you're saying and what you're getting at, so stop beating around the goddamn bush, and just come out and say it. You have it in for NFRO and won't rest until something changes(which it probably won't), or you quit. Eventually, nobody's going to even be READING your posts because it's the same trash every time.

The reality of it is that most servers will end up shutting down, because by the time the staff realizes their mistakes, it's too little, too late.

the sooner you make them realize the better for the server, assuming that the server admin is mature enough, but GMs or server admin tend to think that they are always right, which leads to the death of the server, its all about the maturity level of the server admin.

Guess what. Servers die. That's about as bluntly as I can put it. Servers. Die. Every day. By the time you finish reading this post, another private server has closed its doors while another is configuring an SVN to open to the public.

u been playing for a while, u got donation items, good gears.

Big deal. My wife and I donated roughly 600$ to a server over two years, not all at once, but still, quite a substantial amount. We were both held in rather high regard in the community. We were both in a top, competitive guild that held Wuerzburg in Aldebaran for nearly a full year every WoE. We had a decent amount of MVP Cards, Kate(my wife) MADE four Wings(they were long, drawn out custom quests that usually required the rarest of drops), I had 3 255 characters, and it's all gone. Oh well. That's life. You move on and you deal with it.

There are SO many RO servers out there, that this self-righteous "fight against the man" is downright pathetic. I said it once, I'll say it again: Want to really hurt them? Grow a pair and pick up and leave. In doing so, you are now one less player, one less potential donator, one less positive advocate for the server, and in turn, you have the potential to be ten, or twenty less players the server could have, if not more.

Go ahead and call this a flame. I stand by my convictions.