Exactly what the title says...
I was wondering, some GMs are not really bad, but somehow those players hated them.
What makes a good GM hated?
Just bad players have friends.
well there are many elements to how a gm is hated and try doing these few things it may not make a GM hated that much although bad players have friends tat or equally if not badder(not a word but i juz used it to amplify the meaning)
also since ur a GM and human ur twice as vulnerable to paranoid people
first of all if they know ur legits and u were once weak the moment u improve and kill them and their ego takes over the GM would be accused of itemlisting and all that s***
second when ur afk no matter what u do put up a pub/chatroom saying ur afk and leave ur questions there u'l answer them cuz people can misunderstand that u dun wanna help them where the fact is ur AFK
third is that when the server becomes lag they players expect u to fix it so yea if ur powerless against it u'll gradually lose trust and faith of ur players and screw soemthing up and u become hated
fourth is when ur a GM naturally a human reaction will occur and of course an ego will take over but it can be controlled witht good resistance to temptations and form good bonds with players but also this ego can take over and cause u to be hated by most players so yea beware of this
fifth is to never submit to anger GMs are humans but the players expect GMs to be gods so yea try to hold ur anger back even if ur short tempered cuz it'll only get u hated
sixth is to remember to talk to players like friends and not talking to them as if theres a big gap between GM and player
seventh is to make sure punishments are met out accordingly and on time
eigth is to never flame players this is one of the most important even in forums for their suggestions explain kindly why this or this should not be implemented and reasons why never flame cuz players take time to think up of suggestions too never ignore suggestions and try to implement as much as possible to make the player body firm and strong
ninth is to never show too much of ur bad side to players once in awhile is ok but not too many times
last or so i feel is to make sure punishments are reasonable and before u actually ban somebody ask another GM for his/her opinion
A GM has to set an example to the players. In my opinion, they must be fair, honest and as civil as possible. Violating any of these makes me lose respect for a server.
Honestly, if I have to define those three traits to someone then there is an issue.
banning their friend (for a legit, or not so legit reason)
making a bad choice (usually with WoE)
doing something they don't like.....
those are the main reasons i think
Often, cause they follow the rules.
But really, to be hated by trashes is only normal.
If beggars/rule breakers likes you, then most likely you got a problem.
When you fix a bug that everyone was taking advantage of :D
Specially if you overheard the bug while playing on a regular and the others did not know your char. :B
Asking what makes other people hate other people is like asking what's your favourite colour. The answer is "everything you can imagine of" because people are that varied. If it is in you nature to dislike/hate authority, you will hate them, the excuse is irrelevant.
Tricky question so here's a tricky answer: Drawing too much attention to him/herself.
From my experience it's the GMs who keep cool, rarely post, just show up and do their jobs who are liked much more than those who are all over the place in both game and forums since it inevitably leads to drama.
maybe...GMs who do their job well? because I get hated by many people cause I do the right job X3
There's so many reasons here it's not even funny....
For example, you could become hated like how Littlechan mentioned: Doing your job. People freak out when they get jailed, temporarily banned, etc. Regardless of what they were doing.
I had this one guy(BIG donator) on a server I GM'd, who happened to also be botting and using WPE. Caught him using bots to farm EDP and Acid Bottle ingredients, and caught him WPEing in WoE, where we had set delays and he was firing off Soul Breakers like they were meant to be rapid-fire. I banned him for it, and he posted a topic that said "GM RUIN MY LIFE!!!!!!!!", and next thing I knew, I was hated by the ENTIRE Filipino/net-cafe playing community. I am NOT kidding about that topic title, either. :X
Quote from: Descent on Oct 24, 2008, 07:31 AM
There's so many reasons here it's not even funny....
For example, you could become hated like how Littlechan mentioned: Doing your job. People freak out when they get jailed, temporarily banned, etc. Regardless of what they were doing.
I had this one guy(BIG donator) on a server I GM'd, who happened to also be botting and using WPE. Caught him using bots to farm EDP and Acid Bottle ingredients, and caught him WPEing in WoE, where we had set delays and he was firing off Soul Breakers like they were meant to be rapid-fire. I banned him for it, and he posted a topic that said "GM RUIN MY LIFE!!!!!!!!", and next thing I knew, I was hated by the ENTIRE Filipino/net-cafe playing community. I am NOT kidding about that topic title, either. :X
I feel honored because senior mentioned my name ;D
but yes, I've experienced this thing really often, is it just me or Indonesian people are all like this?
note: I'm Indonesian too XD
As others mention, when you're a gm and you apply the rules and hand punishment to people who break them they will usually hate you, failing to realize that it's entirely their own fault.
Antsy youngster rebelling against authority is also something I see often, you represent the authority, therefor they will side against you and hate you.
Idiotic people looking for hate and trouble.
Quote from: Poki on Oct 24, 2008, 02:41 PM
Idiotic people looking for hate and trouble.
seems to be the best answer in this topic so far X.x
shame that your post applies to like 80% of RO communities now....
Quote from: -Bleed- on Oct 23, 2008, 11:13 PM
Exactly what the title says...
positive = RO full of kids, they are just just looking for something to do.
negative = corrupt and abusive GMs.
not everyone can be a GM, strong ones will survive, weak ones (immature) will fall.
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 24, 2008, 06:05 PM
Quote from: -Bleed- on Oct 23, 2008, 11:13 PM
Exactly what the title says...
not everyone can be a GM, strong ones will survive, weak ones (immature) will fall.
I wish. I really, really do wish it always worked out that way. Sometimes the immature drag the whole damn server down with them.
I agree with Anti-Static Foam Cleaner, I've noticed those GM's are probably the most loved people on staff. Probably has something to do with that whole "not being a part of the drama" thing. :)
Being a GM makes a GM hated. Simple as that lol.
GMs take a lot of heat just because they are GMs. Many people automatically believe that if a GM has a legit character, then they're cheating. They can be easily misunderstood if they're having conversations with some close friends, now they're bias. Then you have those types that have an ego just because they -are- the GM and they can treat you however they want, it's their server. True enough on that but don't you think players make a server grow... According to those types, nope not one bit.
Being fair, being friendly and available, handling any suggestions (great or stupid) with professionalism and respect-- would garner more love then hate.. but won't cure everyone of their hate of GMs. Statistically IMPOSSIBLE !
Hmmm, what makes a GM hated. Well, first of all if they don't meet standards to even be GMs is kinda bad. I mean, other players would think that there's favoritism present in the server.
What makes a GM hated : "When a" format.
When a GM is rude to players.
When a GM doesn't give the right information or doesn't help at all.
When a GM uses a player for his own personal gain/benefit.
When a GM decides to make enemies with players. (GMs shouldn't have friends or enemies).
When a GM doesn't take the proper actions to a case or does not hear a player's plead of attention to a certain situation.
Quote from: Mewi on Oct 24, 2008, 06:22 PM
Being a GM makes a GM hated. Simple as that lol.
True dat. People will never be completely satisfied with you if you have GM in front of your name.
Quote from: Damascus on Oct 24, 2008, 08:03 PM
Hmmm, what makes a GM hated. Well, first of all if they don't meet standards to even be GMs is kinda bad. I mean, other players would think that there's favoritism present in the server.
What makes a GM hated : "When a" format.
When a GM is rude to players.
When a GM doesn't give the right information or doesn't help at all.
When a GM uses a player for his own personal gain/benefit.
When a GM decides to make enemies with players. (GMs shouldn't have friends or enemies).
When a GM doesn't take the proper actions to a case or does not hear a player's plead of attention to a certain situation.
I'll add more
When a GM stay to the rules
When a GM ban one of their best friend
When a GM didn't want to give them free items
When a GM can prove he/she isn't corrupt
but seriously, there'll always have 2 sides, one against you, and one side with you xD
Alright now, who cares?
If you can't stand being hated, don't be a GM.
I'm not an angsty teenager with rebellious tendencies, but I'm also leery of corruption in positions of power. Think of it this way: do you like the police? I can't honestly say that I do. I respect them and understand that their duty is to protect citizens and uphold the law. But I still hold my breath every time I pass a police car. As far as I know, I haven't done anything wrong, so why should I feel nervous? I think it's because I feel as if they're always watching me until I do something that barely qualifies as illegal - like park just past 16 inches away from the curb or forget to signal while making a left turn. If I didn't know better, it almost feels as if they want something to go wrong. It also doesn't help that I don't know each police officer personally, so I don't know how trustworthy each one is. Corruption can affect police officers just as easily as anybody else. Maybe if they earned my respect, I wouldn't go on high alert every time I see one.
GMs are like police officers.
Short version: I agree with Mewi. Being a GM makes you hated... unless you've earned enough respect as an individual that players trust you more than their own friends. Good luck with that one though.
QuoteShort version: I agree with Mewi. Being a GM makes you hated... unless you've earned enough respect as an individual that players trust you more than their own friends. Good luck with that one though.
Agree, but even so, it is highly impossible to make EVERYONE happy.
Quote from: Reyl on Oct 24, 2008, 11:36 PM
I'm not an angsty teenager with rebellious tendencies, but I'm also leery of corruption in positions of power. Think of it this way: do you like the police? I can't honestly say that I do. I respect them and understand that their duty is to protect citizens and uphold the law. But I still hold my breath every time I pass a police car. As far as I know, I haven't done anything wrong, so why should I feel nervous? I think it's because I feel as if they're always watching me until I do something that barely qualifies as illegal - like park just past 16 inches away from the curb or forget to signal while making a left turn. If I didn't know better, it almost feels as if they want something to go wrong. It also doesn't help that I don't know each police officer personally, so I don't know how trustworthy each one is. Corruption can affect police officers just as easily as anybody else. Maybe if they earned my respect, I wouldn't go on high alert every time I see one.
GMs are like police officers.
Short version: I agree with Mewi. Being a GM makes you hated... unless you've earned enough respect as an individual that players trust you more than their own friends. Good luck with that one though.
Ah, Reyl. You speak the truth.
*Unjust from ArdentRO/EssenceRO*
Glad to see you still check up on here now and then.
Well, I hate it when a GM tries to make up excuses to save his donkey. And I don't like GMs that aren't active in game and/or on the forums. I
Quote from: InFlamesWeTrust on Oct 25, 2008, 01:26 AM
Well, I hate it when a GM tries to make up excuses to save his donkey. And I don't like GMs that aren't active in game and/or on the forums. I
best, realistic and unbiased answer so far.
this is so true. 8)
From my experiences, most of the personal flames I get are from people I've permanently banned, mostly as a result of botting.
On a more general level, players tend to be unhappy when they think their issues are being neglected. There are like so many bugs, fake bugs, suggestions, repeated suggestions, reports against players, support tickets (many of which lack any detail) and a lot of other things, so it does make it a bit difficult to solve everything. I've learned though, that it's better to respond and say that nothing can be done about it than to leave it and hope that a solution will come up after a few days/weeks/months.
Unprofessional GM's are the ones I see hated on the most, and most deserving. Making typos in Global Messages, total lack of grammar and puncuation is a complete turn off. Being a GM is supposed to mean you're on a higher level. If the players can see you don't deserve the level of authority and power you have then they will begin throwing the stones.
Similar to Scar:
You are not fit to be a GM if you can't handle the hate nor should you care if you people hate you.
Quote from: Lucanesti on Oct 31, 2008, 12:32 PM
Unprofessional GM's are the ones I see hated on the most, and most deserving. Making typos in Global Messages, total lack of grammar and puncuation is a complete turn off. Being a GM is supposed to mean you're on a higher level. If the players can see you don't deserve the level of authority and power you have then they will begin throwing the stones.
theres a time and a place for everything, something like a global message i'd agree with you
but sometimes if your too professional you can come off as rude, or just plain scary....
So GMs aren't allowed to make typos every once in a while? XD
Typos are fine, they're mistakes, after all. I don't think decent to perfect grammar sets you off as a scary GM, rather the attitude you take with your players. You could type with proper grammar, punctuation and such, but if you still talk to your players as an equal, they will see you as an equal as well.
Stuff I really don't like on a GM that's speaking is abbreviations and/or text emotions.
Me: I want to report some slander from another player
GM: are u sure hes slanderin u??? ^^;;
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 31, 2008, 06:34 PM
Quote from: Lucanesti on Oct 31, 2008, 12:32 PM
Unprofessional GM's are the ones I see hated on the most, and most deserving. Making typos in Global Messages, total lack of grammar and puncuation is a complete turn off. Being a GM is supposed to mean you're on a higher level. If the players can see you don't deserve the level of authority and power you have then they will begin throwing the stones.
theres a time and a place for everything, something like a global message i'd agree with you
but sometimes if your too professional you can come off as rude, or just plain scary....
Well, there is a time and place for a GM to have friends and show their personal side to people. Personalities is what causes conflictions and biasi though.
Quote from: Lucanesti on Nov 01, 2008, 05:06 PM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 31, 2008, 06:34 PM
Quote from: Lucanesti on Oct 31, 2008, 12:32 PM
Unprofessional GM's are the ones I see hated on the most, and most deserving. Making typos in Global Messages, total lack of grammar and puncuation is a complete turn off. Being a GM is supposed to mean you're on a higher level. If the players can see you don't deserve the level of authority and power you have then they will begin throwing the stones.
theres a time and a place for everything, something like a global message i'd agree with you
but sometimes if your too professional you can come off as rude, or just plain scary....
Well, there is a time and place for a GM to have friends and show their personal side to people. Personalities is what causes conflictions and biasi though.
...in the eyes of the beholder.
If server staff portray themselves as a bunch of illiterate fourteen year olds (more often than not because they ARE), I'm not going to stick around. That's probably one of the biggest server turn-offs for me (and it unfortunately applies to about 85% of servers).
I've yelled at my staff for not capitalising and punctuating on broadcast on more than one occasion - it's not exactly hard. Looks amateurish and lazy, and reflects poorly on server in general.
NOT GOOD.
Typing illiterately annoys most mature people. Thus, the hate they give to certain GM's.
Quote from: Lucanesti on Nov 01, 2008, 05:06 PM
Well, there is a time and place for a GM to have friends and show their personal side to people. Personalities is what causes conflictions and biasi though.
GMs should not make any friends with players, once they do they tend to be bias, they can always make friends as a regural player w/o the GM status.
This has been driving me friggin insane, so I'll get this out of the way: it's BIASED, not BIAS.
XD
Okies anyway. I dunno, I disagree. I think that GMs (at least for PR) have to be friendly. Not everyone who has friends on their server will automatically give the people advantages, especially if the admin checks logs. Not all GMs are these horrible people everyone makes them out to be.
admins tend (means not all) to have someone close to be their GM, real-life friend, cousin or girlfriend/boyfriend, if any of them being bias admins tend (means not always) to try to cover it up to save the servers reputation.
admin and GMs are humans, they make mistakes too like being bias and immature.
Quote from: laoganma on Nov 02, 2008, 04:00 PM
admins tend (means not all) to have someone close to be their GM, real-life friend, cousin or girlfriend/boyfriend, if any of them being bias admins tend (means not always) to try to cover it up to save the servers reputation.
admin and GMs are humans, they make mistakes too like being bias and immature.
This is true, in some cases. Look at Akihito, from ZNRO(I think...). Apparently was completely corrupt, banning people who fought against his RL girlfriend.
I'll come right out and admit it, my head GM is my RL wife, Katherine. However, she has seen just as much corruption as I have, and back on CorrosiveRO, her legits didn't exceed level 120, she worked for everything she had gear-wise, her stats were legit, et cetera. Not to mention, she's a great GM and has a good amount of knowledge of how to run an RO server. She can script, do graphics, manage the CP, databases, SQL, so on and so forth. If I didn't feel she was up for the job, I wouldn't have hired her on. But go ahead, go out and call me corrupt, people.
To be quite honest, I would much rather have people on my staff that I know personally, especially in close friendship. That way, I know that I can trust them with our project, rather than place it in the hands of a complete stranger who could do lord-knows-what to the server.
Off-Topic: Lao, PLEASE do something about your signature, it really makes you look ridiculous.
Here is one uncommon reason that makes GM hated:
We had just hired a new Game Master. He was well known and liked player. He just had really bad luck. Day after he became GM he found a MVP card on his normal character. You can imagine all the flaming he got about how he used his GM powers to make that card etc. We checked all the logs and it really dropped. but community didn't believe it. Item drop rate was only like 2x or 3x. So talk about bad luck, eh?
What people fail to realize is that GMs are usually made GMs because of the time they put into the server, which, duh, would result in them getting good s*** eventually. XD
Everyone will QQ endlessly as long as someone has "GM" in front of their name.
Quote from: Hutchy on Nov 02, 2008, 10:58 PM
What people fail to realize is that GMs are usually made GMs because of the time they put into the server, which, duh, would result in them getting good s*** eventually. XD
Everyone will QQ endlessly as long as someone has "GM" in front of their name.
Especially if they find out said GM is actually playing RO too, God forbid.
what makes a gm hated? look at bastet. ;(
Quote from: Aris on Nov 03, 2008, 04:49 PM
what makes a gm hated? look at bastet. ;(
Who?
Some people hate me as a GM because I don't let things slide ;p
okay okay lets not point fingers XD
that'll most likely start some trouble ={
I only have two opinions on why some GM's are hated.
1. The GM's attitude.
2. The type of player.
I think some people purposely just look for things they can pick at, simply because they have low self esteem and need to insult other people to make them selves feel good.Its pretty sick if you ask me, some people in this world are so messed up it really bugs me.
Quote from: GM Lif on Nov 03, 2008, 07:57 PM
I think some people purposely just look for things they can pick at, simply because they have low self esteem and need to insult other people to make them selves feel good.Its pretty sick if you ask me, some people in this world are so messed up it really bugs me.
Well said.
Quote from: Myridian on Nov 03, 2008, 09:02 PM
Quote from: GM Lif on Nov 03, 2008, 07:57 PM
I think some people purposely just look for things they can pick at, simply because they have low self esteem and need to insult other people to make them selves feel good.Its pretty sick if you ask me, some people in this world are so messed up it really bugs me.
Well said.
I might agree if I could read pink text :O
Highlight it? :-X
Quote from: Loki on Nov 03, 2008, 10:13 PM
Highlight it? :-X
Somehow I was incredibly retarded and didn't realize I could do that until after I posted... and it was too late, for the internet already knew I was a lazy bish. XD
Obligatory ontopic thing: I think people will hate GMs just because they can do things regular players can't. Suspicion, jealousy, boredom, whatever. Yup.
Some RO players are paranoid. It takes only one little thing, such as a GM laughing and joking with a fried, to cause these people to take out their branding stick, and put a big ol' "CORRUPT" on left butt cheek of the GM.
Then others have had bad experience in the past, or seem to have a problem with others having authority.
And some people hate GM's because they do their jobs. They do an event, and don't listen to the whiners and beggers asking for a different one. They jail or mute some one for cursing or spamming. Now I don't mean to sound racist or stereotypical, this is just how things work around here I live. They players are like those wanna-be-gangster Native American that seem to infest my city nowadays. It only takes one pissed off Native to rile up 10 other Natives to jump you on the street.
Example: Bob is muted and jailed by the GM, Bill, for spamming the F word in main chat. Bob just happens to be PvPing(or WOEing, or farming/MvPing, or maybe just talking) when Bill gets on to enact punishment. Maybe Bob was fighting a guild member of Bill's legit at the time... Or maybe he's breaking and emperium, whatever the case, he assumes Bill purposely banned him for the sole reason to mess him up in pvp or woe or whatever. Now Bob gets really pist, starts telling everyone about how Bill used his GM character to jail Bob while Bob was breaking an emperium. but he makes the story pretty. He makes it sound like he was doing something he spammed for a good reason. This gets eveyone on his side.
And thus the hatred for Bill the GM grows.
Also some people are just stupid and hate GM's for no particular reason.
I totally agree with you mickie. I've seen it happen nearly the same way on a few servers.
It just makes me sad that nobody seems to realize that GMs selected from the population are selected (most likely) because of their dedication to the server and the amount of time they can spend aiding players. If they're playing often enough for an admin to think them a reliable GM, then wouldn't it just kind of make sense that they'll eventually be outfitted with nice gears? It's just as true for other players - if someone spends 5-10 hours a day on their character, they're not going to be running around in empty slotted sandals and a cotton shirt. It's not corruption, it's effort.
It's probably easier to list what makes a GM liked.
really, you can't make all people like you, try that will just waste your time x3
being a GM, no, being a human is like a coin, there'll always be people who side you and who against you x3
wait...I think I've say like this before?
Strong legits, some people can't accept being weaker then you and scream corrupt.
However i see no reason to hate anyone, especially a GM i suppose some people just do it, like spammers etc no reason for them to do it, they just like to annoy people.
LOL, I've seen someone who was a GM on a specific server. But his legit had the god items and was AMAZING, and unbeatable at that. No wonder why he got banned, but I still wish to meet him. x3
1) personally I think they should not even be allowed to "woe" or get guild up in any guilds that is very big/popular/powerful in that aspect. It just leads to problems. >_> *a.k.a. favors blah blah blah*
2) Legits that makes little to no sense unreasonably strong.
3) I would say favoritism more so than attitude. Favoritism to the popular players (not saying friends you knew or know before they even started the server)
4) Unwilling to keep updating/fixing blalant problems/going inactive unseen for days on end(even an hour is still good >_>)
5) Hypocrisy (example: rule 1) don't cuss B****)
these are the biggest reasons why a gm would be hated if anything
well i don't mean to go off topic or anything... but cmon? upholding the law makes a GM corrupt (yes, i know Bastet)?
so the good guys are now the bad guys? i guess it's unsafe for a GM to be a nice guy/girl imo...
i mean whenever i think of that, i kinda imagine that Lex is broadcasting to the world that Superman's corrupt cause he's just doing his job and the people actually believe him... hehe
Quote from: Dean Stark on Nov 21, 2008, 10:43 AM
well i don't mean to go off topic or anything... but cmon? upholding the law makes a GM corrupt (yes, i know Bastet)?
so the good guys are now the bad guys? i guess it's unsafe for a GM to be a nice guy/girl imo...
i mean whenever i think of that, i kinda imagine that Lex is broadcasting to the world that Superman's corrupt cause he's just doing his job and the people actually believe him... hehe
bastet was a power hungry b****. if you worked with her, you would know.
Quote from: Dean Stark on Nov 21, 2008, 10:43 AM
well i don't mean to go off topic or anything... but cmon? upholding the law makes a GM corrupt
so the good guys are now the bad guys? i guess it's unsafe for a GM to be a nice guy/girl imo...
pretty much how life is now =/
Quote from: JJJ on Nov 21, 2008, 06:52 PM
Quote from: Dean Stark on Nov 21, 2008, 10:43 AM
well i don't mean to go off topic or anything... but cmon? upholding the law makes a GM corrupt
so the good guys are now the bad guys? i guess it's unsafe for a GM to be a nice guy/girl imo...
pretty much how life is now =/
Todays RO society deems that if you dont give the masses whatever they want you're corrupt and if you do you're corrupt.
Quote from: Aris on Nov 21, 2008, 06:19 PM
Quote from: Dean Stark on Nov 21, 2008, 10:43 AM
well i don't mean to go off topic or anything... but cmon? upholding the law makes a GM corrupt (yes, i know Bastet)?
so the good guys are now the bad guys? i guess it's unsafe for a GM to be a nice guy/girl imo...
i mean whenever i think of that, i kinda imagine that Lex is broadcasting to the world that Superman's corrupt cause he's just doing his job and the people actually believe him... hehe
bastet was a power hungry b****. if you worked with her, you would know.
power hungry eh? didn't know about that side of her... all i know is that she ruled w/ an iron fist
lol well, not saying that she was all bad, she was a rather good job most of the time. that is until it isn't her way and someone undermines her.