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Offline JJames19119

What do you want out of a server?
« on: Feb 17, 2011, 08:27 am »
Hello Ratemyserver. I've been playing RO for a while. I wouldn't call myself any sort of pro at it, as I'm very inexperienced in PvP and I have yet to actually experience many situations as a player in RO. But as much as I hate to admit it, I love the game. I blame my friends, who I cherished very much and showed me how I could enjoy a game such as this. It was people like them that showed me that I could get along with others in the RO community. So, I want to return the favor. There's been a lot I found lacking or wrong with RO and I wanted to fix that, and it's always been a dream of mine to host a social gathering of people. So I decided, I wanted to start my own RO private server.

Now, I don't need any help with the technical details of it. I am fluent in C, very familiar with how the client works, skilled myself in use of all the basic tools and read all the tutorials, and I'm in middle of learning NPC scripting now. I've ran a small, local server for me and a couple of my friends for about a year now, which included custom items, mobs, sprites, even a map. But when it comes to pleasing a general public...that's what I need input for. So I've come to you, the populace of quite possibly the center of the RO community in whole, asking one question; what do you want out of a server? What draws you in to playing on one? What keeps bringing you back to continue playing it? What is it that stops you from leaving? I have some basic ideas having played on a couple servers myself, but going from nothing to something is always the hardest part of creation. I want to draw people in, and I feel that the question I'm asking right now would give me the best answers for that want.

I already know of some basic exposure that would help me get started. Getting listed, advertising, spreading the word...though, that's just it. I can spread the word as much as I want, but in a world where there are a hundred servers to choose from, I need to make that word seem appealing enough so that people would consider joining my server over others. I was never a big fan of competing, but I also realize there's no way around it. So, can anyone here spare an honest man some opinions on how to get started, and what direction I should go in?

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What do you want out of a server?
« on: Feb 17, 2011, 08:27 am »

Offline l2ue

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #1 on: Feb 18, 2011, 12:55 pm »
You must be new here. So let me fill you in on what you need to know:

1) Regular members on this forums knows that all server owners are out to make money.
 - This assumption has been proven three thousand times and more.
2) A majority of the people on this forum are server owners.
 - In case you haven't notice the banners or the elitist attitude.
3) The remaining members who aren't server owners don't play RO anymore.
 - That why there is more discussion on everything else other than RO.
4) The few members who do play RO and are active on this forum are either staff members of a server or don't speak English that well.
 - Very true.

And the assumption is that you already have an idea of what to do, but you're asking anyways because you want to introduce yourself and maybe your server in a future post.

There is really no reason why you should please the public to get them to play. Just make an awesome server that is fun and enjoyable without any intention of whoring for money and you'll be fine. <- That was the honest opinion.

If you are also wondering why no one else is responding to your post besides me. Its mostly because you write fairly well written English and its more than one paragraph or three sentences.
« Last Edit: Feb 18, 2011, 01:00 pm by l2ue »

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Offline Helaine

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #2 on: Feb 19, 2011, 12:17 am »
If you are also wondering why no one else is responding to your post besides me. Its mostly because you write fairly well written English and its more than one paragraph or three sentences.


 ;D   :)


Good luck on setting new server, competition is really high now and ro players have been steadily decreasing  :-*

Offline JJames19119

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #3 on: Feb 19, 2011, 12:30 am »
Thanks for replying.

I do have a basic idea with what I want to do with my server for the most part, they're all long term. Everyone has to start somewhere and that's where my problem is. For example, if you joined a server and the population was no more then 5 people, would you honestly keep playing? It's a problem I ran into being a normal player for another server; admittedly, it had lost it's population rather then having just started, but anyone who joined the server would immediately forget it existed the day afterwards. It's the population paradox, in order to get a population you need a population, so where would you get that population to begin with...?

I want to know what it is beyond having strangers to play with that brings people to a server and stay there, until the first chain can finally be formed. (One person finds the server, tells their friends, those friends tell their friends, with enough of these a population forms)

It's depressing and somewhat discouraging that the number of people who play RO has been decreasing but what I'm aiming for is something that might make RO refreshing to play again, and hopefully I can achieve that, because apparently, no one else can.

Offline Chemical Crush

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #4 on: Feb 19, 2011, 12:40 pm »
It's the population paradox, in order to get a population you need a population, so where would you get that population to begin with...?

Advertise.  ADVERTISE ADVERTISE ADVERTIIIIIIIIIISSSSEEEEEEEE.   I mean like before you even open...ADVERTISE.  Word of Mouth, get your servers name out there anyway you can, just please don't do what some do and advertise on other RO's forums.  Tell your friends, tell your friends to tell their friends, tell your friends to tell their friends to tell their friends to tell THEIR friends.  So on and so forth.  REALLY CARE ABOUT YOUR SERVER.   Have a nice clean website layout that is easy to browse and find things.  Don't put a crap load of clutter on it.  Have a nice forum layout, I dont mean you have to have like images and neat stuff, just make sure everything is organized.

Oh yeah...
ADVERTISE

Thats how you get your population before you open.  Keep people posted on what you're doing.  There will be some people who will wait to play your server if its what they are looking for. 

Also, to stay kinda on topic...

I expect different things from different server rates.  So it honestly depends on what kinda rates you're looking at for your server.
« Last Edit: Feb 19, 2011, 12:43 pm by Chemical Crush »

Offline JJames19119

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #5 on: Feb 19, 2011, 07:42 pm »
I was suggested something quite different in regards to server rates themselves actually. I haven't wholly decided upon it yet but the general range sounds about right. The rates were to be 35x base, 35x job and I believe 100x drops? With 10x MVP drops.

Drop rate will probably be a bit lower then that but the basic idea was to relieve stress on farming and hunting and focus more on leveling. With the kinds of changes I want to bring about RO, leveling should be a lot more interesting, provided I can find a balance.

Offline Chemical Crush

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #6 on: Feb 19, 2011, 07:54 pm »
Ah okay so you're gonna have a low range mid rate then.  Usually from mid rates I expect convenience.  Something you dont find on alot of low rates.  Almost every server I look for interesting things.  Floating Rates, Quests, I look at the customs, I like neat hats but not ugly ones or imbalanced ones.  Different people look for different stuff.

Offline MeowyMeow

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #7 on: Feb 19, 2011, 10:32 pm »
I hope you realize RO. is. dying. it's an old game. What people has stayed mostly for is WoE; Competitive WoE. GvGs, whatever. Really.

Offline theo1234

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #8 on: Mar 04, 2011, 01:21 am »
i want a race system... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline pr3zs

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 12, 2011, 12:36 am »
some server are racist lol

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Offline Kensei

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #10 on: Mar 15, 2011, 03:42 am »
There's always a reason before people go racist
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Offline pr3zs

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #11 on: Mar 21, 2011, 07:01 am »
well , some peopel are really really racist. i think its just they are jelous with the other races:D

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Offline SirFuzzi

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #12 on: Mar 21, 2011, 07:29 pm »
Hmm. I like the cut of your jib, sir. If you DO fire up a server, color me interested-- details notwithstanding.

I've been on-and-off with RO like a bad girlfriend for the better part of seven or so years now, and I have a fairly good understanding of many things about it. From what I've seen, here are my external observations:

1) There is an absolute pressing need for a multi-lingual support of some kind. Many of RO's players are from non-English speaking places which makes it very important to not only welcome them if you're gunning for a server with double or triple-digit population, but to continue to make them feel welcomed and involved. It'll be tricky since a lot of servers lean the other way-- just welcome them, which is fine, but English players like me often enter the server, feel immensely estranged right away, and typically end up leaving which usually stagnates the population pretty heavily at a certain number (usually the low- to mid-100's).

2) PVP is not WoE. They are different entities entirely and a PVP-based server is usually the one full of jerks and trolls, while a WoE-based server-- while not without its share of troublemakers-- is going to be full of players more willing to spare details and the time of day. Encourage competition in some way, shape or form so that one guild does not end up owning the server.

3) AVOID DONATION ITEMS. SERIOUSLY. If you aren't prepared to maintain a server, don't do it, it's not worth it. As soon as you add incentive for players to play that is extraneous like donation items, you end up with this massive rift between players and the whole idea of a game that's... er, 'free' (I guess? poor Gravity) because horribly unappealing as you're basically one of those many butchered F2P games where people unwilling to shell out their cash just get the shortest end of the stick possible and usually end up experiencing a stunted game for it. Of course, your donation items could be acquirable in-game too, or could just be purely fashion-related-- I like the latter because it gives some recognition and a neat little plus, if you absolutely need to reward donations. Headgears with the same stats as stuff already acquirable in-game, but with various aesthetic appeals could be a route.

4) Just disable GTB. Nobody likes that card anyway.

You seem like you've got a reasonable head on your shoulders-- but be prepared, because most RO players don't, so you'll be in for a hard and rocky ride through the annals of RO server-owning.

You should shoot me a message when you've got a verdict on what you're gonna do, eh? I'd be interested to see what you've got going, when it gets going.

As for what I expect, personally... as long as the GMs listen and the community isn't a giant pile of elitist jack-offs, I'll play it; I prefer mid-rate and up (because spending two hours grinding from Novice to 1st class is not fun no matter how you swing it) but it seems to me low rates always get the best communities. I also love a server that has frequent enough WoE that is polished, paid attention to and well-cared for while being competitive all the same. Also, I hate plethoras of customs. RO has an ungodly amount of items as-is... while some endgame quest items are great rewards to work towards, we don't need like seventeen NPCs each with twenty items to make that require oodles of materials that basically just require unchallenging hours of grinding at porings or something. If you're gonna make custom quests, make 'em as follows: Group-oriented, challenging bursts that require 3-6 ingredients either in singles or modest amounts that can be acquired with a little prep time and a well-formed, well-informed group-- or find some other way to optimize it, but for the love of god don't make me grind for six hours to get purple boxes to click-click-click to pray I wind up with the 40 dyestuffs I need. No. No. No.

Low rates encourage strong teamwork and community because generally, each class-role needs to be filled even in the most elementary of parties. High rates aren't this way because any one character can level easy by picking on weaker monsters and thus circumventing the need for a party; mid-rates can fall on comfortable middle line where partying has distinct advantages but is not necessary for most or all classes... though sometimes the community still adopts that individualistically elitist notion that they don't need parties, teamwork or anything that doesn't directly benefit them. SHR server communities don't exist; there's just a bunch of asshats in the PVP area(s) teabagging corpses capslocking obscenities. Fun? ...right, anyway. Stick to Mid- or Low-rate to see the best kinds of communities unfold. A natural, latent encouragement of teamwork in the community will build it strong and build players who are both willing and ready to help and tend to discourage acting standoffish.

...whoo! That was a wall of text. Anycase, hope any of that is useful or something.

Offline Cuddle FIsh

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #13 on: Mar 25, 2011, 10:07 pm »
Tis true that RO is dieing, but that should exactly discourage you when you consider it's been rolling around in it's death bed since at least 2005. ;) And hell I think it's because of how rude and discriminating people are to new players, more so then gravity's unwillingness to advertising or, because of the game's age and lack of high end graphics.

Anyways I can honestly say, that what keeps me in a server is for the most part outside of the admins control. It's the amount of fun I'm having, it's something more to do with the community. If I find a freindly guild that likes mvping/pvping(in the case of low/mid rates) or if it's full of obnoxious hyper competitive jerks who's amount of sucking is directly proportional to there rudeness. Its sad but people like that make me feel better about myself.  ::)  My favorite thing about a server it's a garrantee that it'll last since I know that's impossible unless you're play iro. I've all but given up on having many expectations from private servers. The only thing I ask from the staff is this:

1. Keep it stable, little lag and very few down times plz

2. If you're going to be corrupt please don't make it obvious, if you're going to make it obvious make it funny. I've been jaded by pserver corruption to point that I don't care anymore. I realize that if not for money server owners do it to increase the size of their e-penis. If you lead a guild  of your closets buddies, the drop rate is 5x, and you all have gtb, lord of the dead, and ghostring cards, then I'm not going to stay in your server. However I must admit Faithro had one of the rudest most foul mouthed admins (Carnage) I had ever come across, but somehow he managed make it so much fun.

3. No over powered donations, of if you're going to make them overpowered make them accessible to non donating players some how whether it be by votting or, because the items can be traded and sold. But yeah If you have wings that give you 15+ on all stats plus the skills Assumpsito, Asura, and EDP and 50% reduction of damage done my demi-humans I'm not going to play your server.

4.No abrupt changes without warning. I cant stand disappearing NPCs, gratuitous class nerfing etc.

5. Be nice, okay it might have worked for Faithro for a time, but generally rude GMs will kill a server.

As for my dream server...Well since you asked I'd like to see a mid rate (50/50/10-100/100/20 partial pk server, yeah you heard right! What I mean is not all maps are pk only some that are frequented by higher levels. I wouldn't make payon cave pk, nor Thor, but something like odins temple where you always have people competing for the mini valks hell yeah.

Offline montesau

Re: What do you want out of a server?
« Reply #14 on: Apr 16, 2011, 05:27 pm »
actually its not the player of ro is dying its the games system changes too much item now a days new class.
I admit most of them prefer pre-renewal with no satan version is fine. also depends on server rates and level if your gonna be desame us other server style sure all all players same likes will be cut off.

most reason people dont like:
1. imbalance with new stuff donation thats why people prefer to play with 255 instead of traditional 99
2. rude gm. hosnestly bad people are bad people you dont just punish if he does something (pking, kser, looter,cheater) for me its your problem becus they can make it pk some people cus of pk server,kser? cus of no @ks, looter lol there is @autoloot man, cheater your luck of server protection.
3. luck of advertisment especially those who do opening server in just few people ends up with all got mvp.
4. common sense ro is a old games if your dont stick with new system voting pts, events sure people got bored easily.

now my sugestion:
i like server which ro left behind the old pre renewal system this maybe i chance to hook player who likes prerenewal type i may prefer fast face leveling i heard people getting anoying leveling again and mid drop item to balance economy i nerf some witherless rose drop rates..

What do you want out of a server? one thing party base for now no dugeon warper even level 1 thxkies