The last announcement of Cain, before he closed the website and forum.
QuoteIn this announcement I will give you the honest explanations of what has happened the last two days. We feel it is our responsibility to explain what has happened.
We regret that all of you who have supported us through the makings of VastRO have to be subject to this ending and the good period we've all had together.
As of yesterday I (Cain) was checking through the logs for possible infractions in the SQL. We have for a long time had problems with the V-coins and I found yet another person
with a lot of these V-coins. While checking through this account I found MVP cards and a load of them inside his inventory. Our first priority became to reset all passwords to
secure our databases. I summoned Royale in the middle of the night and started to go through the logs, checking GMs and pick logs. It didn't add up. After this and a long
GM conversation on MSN, I had to go to work. During this time the hacker deleted our logs which proved that he had SQL and/or game server access. A few hours ago after
a long conversation between Roy and me we agreed that they server is beyond saving.
As of 23 April 2010 VastRO will be closed and we are done with this chapter. We are sorry for everyone who has been hurt because of our decision and we know we have
the responsibility on our shoulders. We hope that your time here on VastRO have been to your liking, apart from this message.
Thank you all for playing here on VastRO, take care all of you,
Cain on behalf of VastRO GM-team
I personally do not approve how things went, but under the given circumstances, there rest us no other choice but to accept it.
This case of being hacked was appearently to much for Cain, as once he announced the server was going to close, he got lots of PM's, and not all
of them 'friendly'. Given Cain was also following university, and hosting the server ate to much of his time already, he decided to cut down website
and forum, as he cannot keep up spending this much time on the server, now the server was ruined anyway.
As said, i am not happy how things went, but as i have an 'admin' past myself, i can understand Cain his feeling in this.
I ask everyone to not judge him to harsh, and to remember the nice time we had in VastRO. To short,....but a nice time.
People can send me PM's here, if they have specific answers. I will try my best to answer them to the best of my ability.
I myself may eventually join another server, but for the coming time i will enjoy a small break from GM/mapping duty. :)
Kind regards,
Nithalm
Well that was short.
Did he give donation money back?
Else this is just another admin that had a server for a few months and drives into the dawn now, laughing in his new car.
Cain stated he will not give donation money back. He invested in some hardware, but also in advertisement.
One of these advertisements is even on the 'home' page of ratemyserver.net. I believe those are not cheap.
Cain actually talked to me about it, that he barely got his investment back. He didn't had the chance to start earning.(but i think he was close to it...)
Well, about donations, i cannot help you. Still a shame, it is why 'private servers' have a bad name. But doing a 'donation' is always a risk...
Does eA have some kind of major hole that no one is seeing? I mean how are these SQL log alters happening? It can not be due to the lack of safe-guarding password..I mean by the looks of it the admin of VastRO seemed like he/she knew they were doing well. Did they have a cpnale? if so which one? if not it has to do with something in eA the devs are not aware off.
Cheers.
P.S to me it looked like vastRO had potential..too bad :S
eh, cains just s*** considering im the one who found and exploited the v-coin script the most
there isnt any way you can access the server logs by enjecting get commands into a script.
like, really.
really.
really.
The scripts on VastRO were pretty bad, from what I saw, at least.
Went to the newbie grounds, talked to the NPC called "Greeter" and clicked the option to go to Prontera. It decided to bork and said that @go was not allowed on that map. So first off, how does one not notice a bug like that and secondly, why the hell are they using @go to warp someone to a different map?
It might be a small example, but seeing something like the above happen on such a big server really makes you wonder about the quality. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if there was just some kind of exploit caused by incompetence of the scripters, be it ingame or through the website.
Quote from: Nithalm on Apr 23, 2010, 11:20 AM
Cain stated he will not give donation money back. He invested in some hardware, but also in advertisement.
One of these advertisements is even on the 'home' page of ratemyserver.net. I believe those are not cheap.
Cain actually talked to me about it, that he barely got his investment back. He didn't had the chance to start earning.(but i think he was close to it...)
Well, about donations, i cannot help you. Still a shame, it is why 'private servers' have a bad name. But doing a 'donation' is always a risk...
I don't believe that the high amount of money of a good populated and donated server went into ads and server hardware only.
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 23, 2010, 12:05 PM
I don't believe that the high amount of money of a good populated and donated server went into ads and server hardware only.
Well, we couldn't answer much about the donations. We only know that it went to go for hardware's expenses, advertisement
(RMS / Top Site's Banner which costs alot), Server Website Theme(Costs a lot), Vanguard, etc.
It was just unexpected, and yes we HAD a lot of plans on how can we make VastRO better, until the other day wherein we got hacked...
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 23, 2010, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Nithalm on Apr 23, 2010, 11:20 AM
Cain stated he will not give donation money back. He invested in some hardware, but also in advertisement.
One of these advertisements is even on the 'home' page of ratemyserver.net. I believe those are not cheap.
Cain actually talked to me about it, that he barely got his investment back. He didn't had the chance to start earning.(but i think he was close to it...)
Well, about donations, i cannot help you. Still a shame, it is why 'private servers' have a bad name. But doing a 'donation' is always a risk...
I don't believe that the high amount of money of a good populated and donated server went into ads and server hardware only.
Dude get over it, they are called donations. Do you ever donate to a charity..and go ask for it back? no. If you donated intending to get your money then you should have never donated to begin with.
Cheers
Quote from: Shinn on Apr 23, 2010, 12:58 PM
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 23, 2010, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Nithalm on Apr 23, 2010, 11:20 AM
Cain stated he will not give donation money back. He invested in some hardware, but also in advertisement.
One of these advertisements is even on the 'home' page of ratemyserver.net. I believe those are not cheap.
Cain actually talked to me about it, that he barely got his investment back. He didn't had the chance to start earning.(but i think he was close to it...)
Well, about donations, i cannot help you. Still a shame, it is why 'private servers' have a bad name. But doing a 'donation' is always a risk...
I don't believe that the high amount of money of a good populated and donated server went into ads and server hardware only.
Dude get over it, they are called donations. Do you ever donate to a charity..and go ask for it back? no. If you donated intending to get your money then you should have never donated to begin with.
Cheers
Actually it's "Cash Shop" that has "Donation" written over it to cover the real intention of it
Looks like FlangRO gets to keep their copy of a poorly stolen website :\
RIP VastRO
Bummer, was really starting to have fun there.
Oh dear. Whatever happened to backups?! Surely you could at least restore it to a point before everything went to shit and fix your issues.
Quote from: Descent on Apr 23, 2010, 02:49 PM
Oh dear. Whatever happened to backups?! Surely you could at least restore it to a point before everything went to shit and fix your issues.
Thing is, our backups are inside the server files and the HACKER deleted everything and restored it like 10 days before. ;D
What about a good, old-fashioned wipe of one's Item DB and then tightening up one's security???
Quote from: rj on Apr 23, 2010, 02:53 PM
Quote from: Descent on Apr 23, 2010, 02:49 PM
Oh dear. Whatever happened to backups?! Surely you could at least restore it to a point before everything went to shit and fix your issues.
Thing is, our backups are inside the server files and the HACKER deleted everything and restored it like 10 days before. ;D
The chances of 10 days worth of recovery are WAY higher than the chances of a full-on wipe!! I'm not even trying to sound condescending when I say that I really think you guys should rethink this, if you had a good thing going, why throw it away? Patch your security holes, pick yourselves up off the floor and get to it.
There's been too many good servers dying these days due to this nonsense. Seriously, don't let one as
shole ruin it.
Quote from: Descent on Apr 23, 2010, 03:01 PM
The chances of 10 days worth of recovery are WAY higher than the chances of a full-on wipe!! I'm not even trying to sound condescending when I say that I really think you guys should rethink this, if you had a good thing going, why throw it away? Patch your security holes, pick yourselves up off the floor and get to it.
There's been too many good servers dying these days due to this nonsense. Seriously, don't let one as[/b][/b]shole ruin it.
Well, as part of the staff, most of us would like to continue it. However as I've said we cannot do anything else since decisions were final. 3 months is so short for it to be closed -
/sob. But yeah the hacker was a professional and we do not know whatever might happen if ever. But yeah glad to be part of VastRO. :D
Wait...you left the key to the safe ON TOP OF IT?
Also, do you have any clue to the identity of the hacker? Surely there must be some sort of raw logs or something.
Backups are usually done seperate from the server files. If this is the case, then they HAD to have logged into your server's FTP. Thus, leaving their IP when displayed as last logged in.
Quote from: rj on Apr 23, 2010, 02:53 PM
the HACKER deleted everything and restored it like 10 days before. ;D
Also, I don't like your little smiley face at the end of your post: if your server just got hacked and you decided to give up, I don't think that's something to smile about.
Quote from: GorthexTiger on Apr 23, 2010, 03:12 PM
Wait...you left the key to the safe ON TOP OF IT?
Also, do you have any clue to the identity of the hacker? Surely there must be some sort of raw logs or something.
Backups are usually done seperate from the server files. If this is the case, then they HAD to have logged into your server's FTP. Thus, leaving their IP when displayed as last logged in.
Quote from: rj on Apr 23, 2010, 02:53 PM
the HACKER deleted everything and restored it like 10 days before. ;D
Also, I don't like your little smiley face at the end of your post: if your server just got hacked and you decided to give up, I don't think that's something to smile about.
We were able to track it
(before it was rolled back to 10 days). According to the Admins logs were also deleted, as I've said we do not know how he did it. --> I believe everything to access the server files has been changed, but it was still hacked.
Sorry for the misinterpretation, but do you want me to show that I'm sad? We are furious, devastated of this unexpected "shut down". 3 months is really short and we have a lot of plans for the server at least as per Nithalm's post we were trying to create our own episode of Ragnarok.
Note: I am not the admin, I'm just one of the staffs and we didn't give up - we're just out of options...
I agree with Descent. You really should reconsider and keep it running. By closing you are just showing the hackers that they are getting what they want.
Quote from: Descent on Apr 23, 2010, 03:01 PM
Quote from: rj on Apr 23, 2010, 02:53 PM
Quote from: Descent on Apr 23, 2010, 02:49 PM
Oh dear. Whatever happened to backups?! Surely you could at least restore it to a point before everything went to shit and fix your issues.
Thing is, our backups are inside the server files and the HACKER deleted everything and restored it like 10 days before. ;D
The chances of 10 days worth of recovery are WAY higher than the chances of a full-on wipe!! I'm not even trying to sound condescending when I say that I really think you guys should rethink this, if you had a good thing going, why throw it away? Patch your security holes, pick yourselves up off the floor and get to it.
There's been too many good servers dying these days due to this nonsense. Seriously, don't let one as[/b][/b]shole ruin it.
I agree with this, there's been a ridiculous amount of servers dropping in recent days, all due to a single hacker or two. I'd heard VastRO had quite a bit of potential, it'd be a shame to see you guys give up so soon after this one incident. Sure a lengthy rollback or even a wipe would suck, but it's better than completely closing down, right?
Why not simply do some research into what went wrong, patch up your security, then try again? It just seems way too soon to give up on what could've been a potentially good server, especially with all the work/plans you had for it.
Quote from: rj on Apr 23, 2010, 03:20 PM
Quote from: GorthexTiger on Apr 23, 2010, 03:12 PM
Wait...you left the key to the safe ON TOP OF IT?
Also, do you have any clue to the identity of the hacker? Surely there must be some sort of raw logs or something.
Backups are usually done seperate from the server files. If this is the case, then they HAD to have logged into your server's FTP. Thus, leaving their IP when displayed as last logged in.
Quote from: rj on Apr 23, 2010, 02:53 PM
the HACKER deleted everything and restored it like 10 days before. ;D
Also, I don't like your little smiley face at the end of your post: if your server just got hacked and you decided to give up, I don't think that's something to smile about.
We were able to track it (before it was rolled back to 10 days). According to the Admins logs were also deleted, as I've said we do not know how he did it. --> I believe everything to access the server files has been changed, but it was still hacked.
Sorry for the misinterpretation, but do you want me to show that I'm sad? We are furious, devastated of this unexpected "shut down". 3 months is really short and we have a lot of plans for the server at least as per Nithalm's post we were trying to create our own episode of Ragnarok. Note: I am not the admin, I'm just one of the staffs and we didn't give out - we're just out of options...
Yeah, it looks the admin has made a great press release: an account suspended message is a great ending message.
Talk to the host: any decent host has logs of who and what logged in to your account that are not removable by a root user. I know this because I logged in from a friends house to fix a few things, came home, logged in, and didn't connect the dots that it was my friends IP. Talked to Support, told me that they had known the password (and then I realized, based on the last login time "OHH!! Herp a derp, nevermind."). I mean, and this is a small example; just ask Flippy, his server is hosted by Frantech (which is probably a cheaper type of hosting than Vast had) and he had tons of raw logs.
Then, go up and file a complaint with the ISP. Like Cyric said, your only making Vast look worse by giving up. If necessary, I can help try to patch any security holes if you guys want to request my help.
(Offtopic) Also notice how all the haters are hating on VastRO's RMS listing right now? It's gotten like 30 reviews in the timespan of this topic. Quick! Someone call Trigun! It might be his army!
are you guys planning to remake the server???
Quote from: Xarale on Apr 23, 2010, 03:22 PM
I agree with this, there's been a ridiculous amount of servers dropping in recent days, all due to a single hacker or two. I'd heard VastRO had quite a bit of potential, it'd be a shame to see you guys give up so soon after this one incident. Sure a lengthy rollback or even a wipe would suck, but it's better than completely closing down, right?
Why not simply do some research into what went wrong, patch up your security, then try again? It just seems way too soon to give up on what could've been a potentially good server, especially with all the work/plans you had for it.
I do not know how to answer these questions. Majority of the players wanted a WIPE rather than the roll back. According to those people who "searched" for the problem, we really do not know what really happened. First, we found an account that had MvP cards - all accounts were banned. Second, had a GM meeting right away
(Troubleshoot - server access passwords has been changed), after few minutes, we found out that the server has been roll'd back to 10 days before. And we're just really out of option, administrators gave up. I will tell you that we really worked hard for the server and we are really saddened that this happened. But oh well, life must go on.
Posted on: Apr 23, 2010, 07:30 am
Quote from: GorthexTiger on Apr 23, 2010, 03:26 PM
(Offtopic) Also notice how all the haters are hating on VastRO's RMS listing right now? It's gotten like 30 reviews in the timespan of this topic. Quick! Someone call Trigun! It might be his army!
I couldn't answer the other suggestions, I am no admin. Yes, I've noticed that when the server was put down, all haters went to our RMS page and tried to put us down, where we are already down...
Quote from: piperz on Apr 23, 2010, 03:28 PM
are you guys planning to remake the server???
The Administrators doesn't. :(
that is a quick lesson that making a copy of the sql database inside the server is not the same as backing up =/
my condolences to vast players
I can't imagine how Cain and Royale have to feel making this decision. There can be no joy in having to tell your staff and community that you have failed them. That you have permanently shut down the server.
From the conversations that I had with Admin earlier they did not feel they could have Vast-RO as a secure place. Without their knowing that things had been completely fixed and their feeling confident that the same thing would not, could not happen again, they have decided to not bring Vast-RO back.
Yes we had back ups, yes, they did the right things - but still $#!+ happens... It was not for lack of trying nor good intentions on the part of our entire staff.
At one point Cain, jokingly i am sure, told me that if I wanted to try to fix it go ahead. Had to be a joke, he knows I dont know $@!+ about server stuff... I want our community to know if there was anyway that the rest of the staff could make this work we would. We have to have the Admin(s) with us and for them it is not a posibility.
Who knows maybe if we cry enough Cain will try again?
Thanks for the fun. Mommy (Pam)
Quote from: Sniggers on Apr 23, 2010, 04:04 PM
I can't imagine how Cain and Royale have to feel making this decision.
Who knows maybe if we cry enough Cain will try again?
I hope... /sob /sob /sob
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 23, 2010, 01:13 PM
Quote from: Shinn on Apr 23, 2010, 12:58 PM
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 23, 2010, 12:05 PM
Quote from: Nithalm on Apr 23, 2010, 11:20 AM
Cain stated he will not give donation money back. He invested in some hardware, but also in advertisement.
One of these advertisements is even on the 'home' page of ratemyserver.net. I believe those are not cheap.
Cain actually talked to me about it, that he barely got his investment back. He didn't had the chance to start earning.(but i think he was close to it...)
Well, about donations, i cannot help you. Still a shame, it is why 'private servers' have a bad name. But doing a 'donation' is always a risk...
I don't believe that the high amount of money of a good populated and donated server went into ads and server hardware only.
Dude get over it, they are called donations. Do you ever donate to a charity..and go ask for it back? no. If you donated intending to get your money then you should have never donated to begin with.
Cheers
Actually it's "Cash Shop" that has "Donation" written over it to cover the real intention of it
So true...
just throwing this out there
cain didnt bother contacting his host at all (hi)
Whaaaat? Now it's VastRO?
I wonder who's next ._.;
Quote from: Kiyoshiro on Apr 23, 2010, 06:15 PM
Whaaaat? Now it's VastRO?
I wonder who's next ._.;
Someone is murdering all RO servers!!! Woooooo =D
Quote from: Omi on Apr 23, 2010, 06:12 PM
just throwing this out there
cain didnt bother contacting his host at all (hi)
Then this just confirms the suspicions of the VastRO community that it was being used as a cashshop rather than a place for people to actual play on. Even if this isn't the case, the lack of trying from the staff, the apparent and "mysterious" hacker who took them down in 1 shot, makes it look worse than it actually is. It makes it look like a conspiracy just to shut down to earn cash. The 'account suspended' 404 doesn't help either: you don't get an account suspended 404 because you were hacked, you get an account suspended 404 because you didn't pay the bill.
Whatever the case may be, Vast is gone and we should move on.
hmm, btw, from a trusted source, i heard rumors that VastRO spent a lot in paying for their web designer, which is ironic given the current circumstances.
Quote from: Annihilate on Apr 23, 2010, 08:12 PM
hmm, btw, from a trusted source, i heard rumors that VastRO spent a lot in paying for their web designer, which is ironic given the current circumstances.
Yeah I know that too.. some of the players on Vast are talking about it on a server they are currently playing on (High Rate) :(
Quote from: Annihilate on Apr 23, 2010, 08:12 PM
hmm, btw, from a trusted source, i heard rumors that VastRO spent a lot in paying for their web designer, which is ironic given the current circumstances.
Quote from: Annihilate on Apr 23, 2010, 08:12 PM
hmm, btw, from a trusted source, i heard rumors that VastRO spent a lot in paying for their web designer, which is ironic given the current circumstances.
lol at trusted rumour too...
But for what I also know it was expensive. I contacted the same webdesigner before them, but when he told me the price I thought wtf... So I didn't buy it. 2 weeks later Vast had their new website from him. I dont know if he charged the same though. If he did, that's hell yea expensive. But I wouldn't call that ironic. Since many of Vast players are moving to Lumina I cannot say I'm unhappy Vast closed, that wolud be called being a hipocrit. However I don't think it's nice thing to come here and say that the money, time and effort that Royale spent was wasted on his server being closed is ironic. Also, he probably used donation money on it, and that's what donations are for, to be spent on server stuff. Funny it would be if he was getting more than enough money for it and still had the weird website they had when server was opened.
Quote from: Final on Apr 23, 2010, 07:13 PM
Quote from: Kiyoshiro on Apr 23, 2010, 06:15 PM
Whaaaat? Now it's VastRO?
I wonder who's next ._.;
Someone is murdering all RO servers!!! Woooooo =D
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj165/MattxMourning/RetardSmiley.png)
Final, I bet it was you. Are you freelancing for Gravity!?
Quote from: l2ue on Apr 24, 2010, 06:14 AM
Quote from: Final on Apr 23, 2010, 07:13 PM
Quote from: Kiyoshiro on Apr 23, 2010, 06:15 PM
Whaaaat? Now it's VastRO?
I wonder who's next ._.;
Someone is murdering all RO servers!!! Woooooo =D
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj165/MattxMourning/RetardSmiley.png)
Final, I bet it was you. Are you freelancing for Gravity!?
Gravity doesn't pay good enough for me.
"Backup" of the server within the server itself?
Since my job is being a Network Admin in a major company, all I can say to this "backup" is: Epic Fail
Backups aren't made within the server, they're made on a proper backup machine, it doesn't even have to be a machine with huge specs, just something that you can plug-in, backup and plug out so that it isn't accessible from outside the "network". Hell, can even use an external HD for that if you're cash strapped.
Honestly, that wasn't a backup, it was an invitation to a disaster... the likes of which happened.
Quote from: ilphithra on Apr 24, 2010, 09:45 AM
"Backup" of the server within the server itself?
Since my job is being a Network Admin in a major company, all I can say to this "backup" is: Epic Fail
Backups aren't made within the server, they're made on a proper backup machine, it doesn't even have to be a machine with huge specs, just something that you can plug-in, backup and plug out so that it isn't accessible from outside the "network". Hell, can even use an external HD for that if you're cash strapped.
Honestly, that wasn't a backup, it was an invitation to a disaster... the likes of which happened.
+1. Don't even need to be a network administrator to see how terrible of an idea that is.
I usually let a bash script upload my backups to a FTP server of a neutral server I have, a webserver is enough here.
Quote from: Annihilate on Apr 23, 2010, 08:12 PM
hmm, btw, from a trusted source, i heard rumors that VastRO spent a lot in paying for their web designer, which is ironic given the current circumstances.
Trusted source or not, if they wanted to pay $400 for a web-designer, then go for it. But if that's the case, why spend that much money and go down without a fight? Including the VastRO ads, Vanguard (another $300ish) and other crap.
You don't buy wine or chardonnay on a beer budget.
$400 for a website is still peanuts IMO.
Quote from: DeePee on Apr 24, 2010, 11:07 AM
$400 for a website is still peanuts IMO.
We're talking about RO pServer Websites.
Quote from: Serenity on Apr 24, 2010, 01:36 PM
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 24, 2010, 11:27 AM
Quote from: DeePee on Apr 24, 2010, 11:07 AM
$400 for a website is still peanuts IMO.
We're talking about RO pServer Websites.
That's honestly not much. We charge our clients $65.00 an hour and a $500 deposit at my college through our internship program. Then again, you get what you pay for.
Before I would pay more than 100$ for my RO Website, I would learn design and HTML by myself (Though I know it already). Takes me less time than earning 100$.
Then again, this is just me.
i'm glad I ended my time on that server early
"Oh man, if we opened up a server, we'd do so much better than *insert previous RO server played/GM here*!!"
After a few months of actually being in charge of a server:
"This sucks! I hate the players! All they do is complain! It eats up so much of my time and if I do anything fun, the players call it abuse of power!"
Quote from: LemonCrosswalk on Apr 25, 2010, 01:57 PM
"Oh man, if we opened up a server, we'd do so much better than *insert previous RO server played/GM here*!!"
After a few months of actually being in charge of a server:
"This sucks! I hate the players! All they do is complain! It eats up so much of my time and if I do anything fun, the players call it abuse of power!"
:D True story!
Indeed, sort of true.
I guess the server was succesfull way beyond what anyone could espect. Especially since it was the admin his first time hosting a server. :)
Yes, we made mistakes. But i think we can't complain about the results. ^^
But i feel truly sorry it had to end this way. Good chance the RO community will see my maps popping up somewhere else.
Until then, good luck everyone.
...and another server closed.
R.I.P. VastRO 2010 - 2010
The servers closed. Boo hoo Im really shoken up. Close the topic there really is no need to discuss a server closing lol..
I have to address these statements and accusations in a calm way, even thought it really hurts to hear people who have no idea about the hardships involved in closing VastRO. We tried to the best of our ability to build an environment for players that would make them support and in turn love VastRO. The statements previously written does make me and Roy seem as corruptive admins with only profit in mind. I can see why people believe this might be true. I will have to truthfully respond to these accusations as entirely wrong and we used all the money for the benefit of building a better server with the players in mind throughout the whole process. Both me(Cain) and Royale took this decision because of the state the server was in and the security issue that couldn't be guaranteed. In this regard and for myself I put my education on hold to be maintaining the server and I still don't know if I can be ready in time because of the lost months that I was admin of VastRO. It did far exceed my greatest imagination that the server would get as good as it did and the time involved in maintaining it. I did went on hiatus status, saw that the server suffered because of my absence. The state the server suffered at the last two days, because of the hacking and economy issues, Royale and I both took the decision of closing the server. There were no one in line to continue hosting it and no one with the experience needed to maintain it. We know that we have the responsibility for what has happened, even thought we did continue as long as we could. I really hope the players of VastRO had a nice experience apart from the closing of the server. We are deeply sorry for the people who have supported us through the process of making VastRO. We might meet again some day. University has the upper hand on RO after all, I thought I could maintain it and do two things at once.
I am aware of my responsibility and it was a really hard decision closing the server. Of course we wanted to continue with the server, however time restraints, in-game issues previously stated and the hacking made the cup flooded.
Sincerely,
Cain
Quote from: KaneJcoke on Apr 28, 2010, 04:42 AM
I put my education on hold to be maintaining the server
You're kidding, right?
Dude, get a life
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 28, 2010, 06:57 AM
Quote from: KaneJcoke on Apr 28, 2010, 04:42 AM
I put my education on hold to be maintaining the server
You're kidding, right?
Dude, get a life
"on hold" means, in this context, not having the time I need to work with my exams. I am doing my masters exam in peace and conflict studies. I am sure you can't comprehend what it means to attend an education of that level. No offence.
Quote from: KaneJcoke on Apr 28, 2010, 10:22 AM
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 28, 2010, 06:57 AM
Quote from: KaneJcoke on Apr 28, 2010, 04:42 AM
I put my education on hold to be maintaining the server
You're kidding, right?
Dude, get a life
"on hold" means, in this context, not having the time I need to work with my exams. I am doing my masters exam in peace and conflict studies. I am sure you can't comprehend what it means to attend an education of that level. No offence.
You shouldn't start a server if you don't have the ability to multitask. Simply saying your university education is taking up all your time is not good enough. Albeit, it is difficult to manage the two, but it's not impossible. Enjoy the money ^_^
Quote from: KaneJcoke on Apr 28, 2010, 10:22 AM
"on hold" means, in this context, not having the time I need to work with my exams. I am doing my masters exam in peace and conflict studies. I am sure you can't comprehend what it means to attend an education of that level. No offence.
Friendly note: If you're mastering in peace and conflict studies, I would assume that you recognize the severe faux pas you just made in automatically assuming the people you're responding to are less intelligent than you. Especially since you made the decision to prioritize a gaming community over exams that could very well determine the rest of your life. Putting "No offense" at the end of something as insulting as that doesn't make it any less insulting.
Quote from: Zarsheiy on Apr 28, 2010, 03:36 PM
Quote from: KaneJcoke on Apr 28, 2010, 10:22 AM
"on hold" means, in this context, not having the time I need to work with my exams. I am doing my masters exam in peace and conflict studies. I am sure you can't comprehend what it means to attend an education of that level. No offence.
Friendly note: If you're mastering in peace and conflict studies, I would assume that you recognize the severe faux pas you just made in automatically assuming the people you're responding to are less intelligent than you. Especially since you made the decision to prioritize a gaming community over exams that could very well determine the rest of your life. Putting "No offense" at the end of something as insulting as that doesn't make it any less insulting.
First of all, I responded on a stupid remark. Second, we were two admins that were supposed to to share the load and we did. The work became a too big load for me to work, maintain a server, provate life and university. Since I had a schedule that wasn't enough for the stuff I had to do, VastRO for some reason made me occupied way to much, there is no reason to analyse that. Third, fire is fought with fire at least it is here. Even that I am educated in politics, it doesn't work here. I did not prio anything, it was an obligation I received after starting this server. It's to state that I was trying hard to maintain it for the benefit of the players.
Friendly note: what has happened has happened already. Feel free to move on and don't react to the reactions of others for your decisions. If you are really pushed to ace those exams, then go ahead and ace them.
Acting very defensively to the ridiculous pictures above me and those remarks about corruption will just waste your time.
Actually, I think I just wasted a few minutes trying to make this post, but what the heck?
QuoteFriendly note: what has happened has happened already. Feel free to move on and don't react to the reactions of others for your decisions.
+1. I sort of wondered how this thread would fare if people actually adhered to that, but who am I kidding...this is RMS.
How is this not closed yet?
Quote from: Descent
How is this not closed yet?
coz people likes drama lol
Quote from: Hikusaak on Apr 29, 2010, 01:43 PM
Quote from: Descent
How is this not closed yet?
coz people likes drama lol
This isn't drama, this is pure QQ
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 29, 2010, 01:47 PM
Quote from: Hikusaak on Apr 29, 2010, 01:43 PM
Quote from: Descent
How is this not closed yet?
coz people likes drama lol
This isn't drama, this is pure QQ
It's just.. Vast RO is closed now so everybody should move on about it.. that's all
I 1337 that (second that, third that; the list goes on). Sad thing that happened to the server, but what's done is done. The moderators respond a bit slower to Soap Opera threads... so got to wait for them on this I guess.
I would agree that if you are busy with your studies, you shouldn't host a server or at least let someone take care of it in your stead during the busy time. If nobody can care for the server, the server would obviously die like in this case ><. Whether the server should have started in the first place, I am not sure. I mean, every moment counts right? Would you regret playing the server and not know/make new friends on this server, or would you just think of it as a nice experience and be glad to have the opportunity? This just depends on the players' perspectives. Half-full or half-empty, you decide.
I don't think the person did it for the money though (my opinion anyways) in this case. People just start up servers for fun most of the time. It's sad that some people open servers just to earn money. Not like you can earn much money with RO in the first place since it's quite limited.
Well, I hope that perhaps when people are not so busy... they can host it again. If not, I hope the players find a good server to stay at.
I believe people are done saying what they want to say about VastRO anyways.
I think he meant the study overload came after he already started the server. Anyway, I dont think we can acuse him of leaving Vast, he has all the rights to do so. =0
I just think he could have passed the responsibility to someone else instead of closing the server straight.
Hm, yeah D: Apparently, he couldn't find anyone (who he trusts with all the server files) perfect for the job? The other admin can't do it alone I guess ><.
Hm, as for the study overload, that could be expected if you are in university? I doubt people could have focused if they're maintaining the server and doing university homework/studying. Maybe as a GM it's possible, but as an Admin... The server wasn't even online for that long as well, right? Well, anyways, it's just a sad thing that the server is closed. It was doing pretty well.
VASTRO IS DEAD! STOP POSTING GAWD
Lol, Final XD. There's not much to post on about... D: Not many threads out there to really post something. The mods should really lock this thread then. It's just like some other threads that would keep going regardless if the situation is fixed. You keep coming back to post here, too ;D. I'll stop posting in this thread now.
Grr I will help lock this thread then! With my awesome ideassss..I hereby..call out..l2ue for hacking CharmRO! Oh you knew this was coming L2ue~
Locky please =]
Just because I can, I am gonna post.
I lol'd at the post saying there is a "Pro" hacker hacking RO servers. Hacking RO servers is honestly nothing when it comes to being a hacker. Go hack Ebay and then you can say that person is a decent hacker.
Quote from: Habuka on May 02, 2010, 04:56 PM
Just because I can, I am gonna post.
I lol'd at the post saying there is a "Pro" hacker hacking RO servers. Hacking RO servers is honestly nothing when it comes to being a hacker. Go hack Ebay and then you can say that person is a decent hacker.
LOL Why ebay!?!?! Leave ebay alone!!!!!
Your right, go hack something harder like... Finals porno files! :O
Quote from: Habuka on May 02, 2010, 07:36 PM
Your right, go hack something harder like... Finals porno files! :O
Sure go ahead, I just direct link to yours anyways..btw..you have the weirdest taste in porn...
Hey guys, did you know that VastRO is closed?
Quote from: LemonCrosswalk on May 02, 2010, 08:13 PM
Hey guys, did you know that VastRO is closed?
Huh? It is? Whats VastRO ANYWAYS back to our talk Habuka! Hack it I dare you!!! =D
Oh wow, that one with the two guys was on my folder? DAMN YOU!
Quote from: Habuka on May 02, 2010, 11:10 PM
Oh wow, that one with the two guys was on my folder? DAMN YOU!
Wow..you watched it? GAY! Its even labeled gay guy porn....
Wha... what the hell happened to this topic?! ;<
Alright Final, I'll grant you your wish & lock up this thread.
Hope all former VastRO players are able to find new homes.