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Offline DragonHero

Taking files from other servers?
« on: Jun 30, 2009, 08:54 pm »
Well i have played ecchi-ro in the past they had all the default blue data.... i go on it today and find that the darker menu palletes i worked on in my server have been taken and used in ecchi!!! although they dont have all of the pallettes... *because i made a whole dark mod for my server and finished it* i saw they took the files before i fixed the white comm button

Is this allowed? do you guys frown upon it? i think its bad they did this!!!
Come and play RuthlessRO! Its my new server! And i am trying to make it fun! To find my server just click the link under the image below!



http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=detailedlistserver&serid=4347&url_sname=RuthlessRO

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Taking files from other servers?
« on: Jun 30, 2009, 08:54 pm »

Offline Hutchy

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #1 on: Jun 30, 2009, 10:24 pm »
It's just as "allowed" as creating private servers in general.

We're all stealing s*** someone else made.
It's rare that I come to RMS anymore. I won't see any messages you leave me here.

Offline Skotlex

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #2 on: Jul 01, 2009, 02:58 am »
You might want to check ... what was the name of that site with the RO mods? Where Usako lurks... anyway, they certainly must have tons of threads on this kind of subject.

Anyway, yes, it is unethical to simply take someone else's work without asking for permission first. And for the most part, it is something that cannot be stopped (unless you encrypt the grf and distribute a modified hexed that can decrypt it, and pray that you don't become popular enough that someone will get the key from your client and unlock the grf for all to take).

It is the "same" with private servers in relation to RO in general, even though for people it seems easier to justify these kind of things when it is "taking from the big evil money-grubbing companies." Though it might not be so totally the same, as nobody who runs a private server claims to "own" the client sprites and call them their own. But many of the servers who take each other's grf contents do often taut them as their own creation.

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Offline LemonCrosswalk

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #3 on: Jul 01, 2009, 03:29 am »
Rewrite it and post about it in the hall of shame... or just get an admin to move this thread there.

Offline DragonHero

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #4 on: Jul 01, 2009, 07:31 am »
I edited my log in menu and menu for the alt+v and esc and other stuff with paint myself only one piece of that edit was from a website *thinks it was either rune or aegis before it went down* and it wasnt fully dark as i have made it.

that piece was the dark menu when you hit alt+v i made the buttons darker on the menu heh

its a shame i find my edits on someone elses server without my permission for its use.

And i am sure Descent will move this to hall of shame.
« Last Edit: Jul 01, 2009, 07:49 am by DragonHero »
Come and play RuthlessRO! Its my new server! And i am trying to make it fun! To find my server just click the link under the image below!



http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=detailedlistserver&serid=4347&url_sname=RuthlessRO

Amayax

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Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #5 on: Jul 01, 2009, 08:25 am »
If you have an installer you can add a Terms and Conditions/License to it that says they are installing your files because they want to play your server -not just to steal the files. If you find that someone has you have more of an advantage.

If your not using an installer, but a data folder, just add in a .txt file stating everything, and before you let people download it have them check the "Yes, I agree to these terms and conditions" box.

@topic

I think it's bad they did that. They should atleast give credit; even if the file was public(just saying).
But there isn't much you can do to stop them or anyone, but you can atleast make a Terms and Conditions/License like I said above.


Also..might want to have proof. Like screenshots from your server showing the palettes couple months before you found it on ecchi.

Offline DragonHero

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #6 on: Jul 01, 2009, 08:44 am »
I shreded ragnarok and sakray. extracted the grf files, merged the grf files by putting all the sak sprite files into the ro files. then put my files in and replaced what my files needed to replace, renamed the grf RuthlessRO.grf and made my own Full installer that you only need to install that to install my game... AND FULLY! Lol
Come and play RuthlessRO! Its my new server! And i am trying to make it fun! To find my server just click the link under the image below!



http://ratemyserver.net/index.php?page=detailedlistserver&serid=4347&url_sname=RuthlessRO

Amayax

  • Guest
Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #7 on: Jul 01, 2009, 01:43 pm »
If you follow my advice and do what I suggested for the installer you should be fine.
By fine I mean, people will still steal, but once you find out the arguement will be more on your favour because they choose to agree to the Terms and Conditions/License in the installer, so if they break that then you have a right to take action to the full extent. ;P

Might also want to add "You agree to all these Terms and Condition even if you haven't read any of this" as the last point in your Terms and Conditions/License. I added it to mine, had a laugh, because most people won't and it'll come back to them if they choose to break any of the Terms and Conditions.

If you want more examples click the following link and you can see mine. I also give you permission to use them for RuthlessRO(and this server only) if you need too. Clickie Clickie

Hope this helps you out.

Offline SilverStream~

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #8 on: Jul 01, 2009, 02:59 pm »
ExploitRO's layout seems very familiar to me, from another page..
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Amayax

  • Guest
Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #9 on: Jul 01, 2009, 03:01 pm »
ExploitRO's layout seems very familiar to me, from another page..

Forum layout? I found it from one of the theme mods in "Customize" page on Simplemachine forums. Not stolen I assure you.
There is even a credit on the bottom.

Offline SilverStream~

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #10 on: Jul 01, 2009, 03:11 pm »
http://forums.animecouncil.net/

I'm just saying they seem very alike.

Edit, lol the same.  I think one of the guys at anco is dinzer, so got suspicious.  But if you found it at simplemachines that's cool.
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Amayax

  • Guest
Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #11 on: Jul 01, 2009, 03:14 pm »
That is because: http://custom.simplemachines.org/themes/index.php?action=search;basic_search=outline
I have Outline Omega, they have Outline.

Sorry to the Topic Starter for going off-topic.

Offline SilverStream~

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #12 on: Jul 01, 2009, 03:19 pm »
But if you found it at simplemachines that's cool.
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Offline Edward

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #13 on: Jul 03, 2009, 01:29 am »
Well i have played ecchi-ro in the past they had all the default blue data.... i go on it today and find that the darker menu palletes i worked on in my server have been taken and used in ecchi!!! although they dont have all of the pallettes... *because i made a whole dark mod for my server and finished it* i saw they took the files before i fixed the white comm button

Is this allowed? do you guys frown upon it? i think its bad they did this!!!

Go QQ with the snobs at RUNE. Seriously, you're taking the hard work of Gravity and using it for yourself. And the your palettes get taken so you're gonna cry about it here... come on, seriously. Now go join the snobs at RUNE, they'll understand your situation cause they're totally oblivious to everything else but themselves and their work. To RUNE loyal members, all they say is... "It's all about ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME!!!" You'd fit fine with them ;).

Here's a link to: http://www.ro-enhance.net

Offline A92FL0163

Re: Taking files from other servers?
« Reply #14 on: Jul 03, 2009, 02:56 am »
Well i have played ecchi-ro in the past they had all the default blue data.... i go on it today and find that the darker menu palletes i worked on in my server have been taken and used in ecchi!!! although they dont have all of the pallettes... *because i made a whole dark mod for my server and finished it* i saw they took the files before i fixed the white comm button

Is this allowed? do you guys frown upon it? i think its bad they did this!!!

Go QQ with the snobs at RUNE. Seriously, you're taking the hard work of Gravity and using it for yourself. And the your palettes get taken so you're gonna cry about it here... come on, seriously. Now go join the snobs at RUNE, they'll understand your situation cause they're totally oblivious to everything else but themselves and their work. To RUNE loyal members, all they say is... "It's all about ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME, ME!!!" You'd fit fine with them ;).

Here's a link to: http://www.ro-enhance.net

Funny thing, I saw the same arguments over there, but with a higher level of intelligence and logical reasons.