First of, sorry if this Topic already exists but i couldnt find anything...
As for the rules regarding this forum: Im not advertising, just collecting Informations.
Now to the Topic:
Anyone got more information? I appreciate any information, no matter which :p
All i know is:
FACTS:
- Staff: DarkDevine, Death_Black, gash, Kenpachi, Simca, Sirius_White, T-Bash
- Client: A new Client will be coded with much more possibilitys.
- Emulation: Neither eA nor AEGIS will be used for ro.org. They will code an whole new Serverengine
- ROorg Wiki: http://wiki.roorg.net/
- Devblog: http://wiki.roorg.net/devblog
- Opening: Opening will be 10-03-2010
- Pre-Registration & Community Board: Will be available one week before the release; means 09-26-2010.
- Character Transfer: A Transfer from Euro/Iro and some pservers is planned. No exact Statement about that yet.
- Version: It will be Ragnarok Online Classic, NOT Renewal.
- Rates: Not decided yet, but they wont be too high. First infos said they will be 1x. Sirius_White said:
Quote from: Sirius_WhiteDue to the technical structure we can't say much about the final rates, but they are not going to be comparable to original '1x'.
- Association:: They are forming an Association in Germany which can then operrate without making Money out of it (earnings need to be used for Association stuff (f.e. Hardware), its not allowed to "earn" money with this Association)
- Official?: Previous Statements from the Staff said, every single time, they will be kind of legal. It is an grey area of the Law. No further Informations yet.
- Press Release: http://wiki.roorg.net/pr/statement_01_08_2010
- The Law: They didnt get sued yet. Its only a rumor.
- Harmony: Harmony WONT be used for ro.org. As stated before, new client - new possibilitys. The client will have its own protection.
- Misc.:
ROorg will use UDP. Not TCP.
Movement will be coded in another way. There are is no positiondelay anymore. - Sources: http://www.ragnarok-online.org, Facebook, Twitter, #ROorg @irc.dal.net
Ps.: Sorry for the bad english but its not my native language. :([/list][/list]
So apparently they will use a new client, seeing their Features page...and they have an official license. This looks quite interesting.
If it has some eA devs, I suppose that explains why eAthena is almost completely dead for the past weeks/months.
Well as far as i know their "license" isnt a real one like iro/euro etc. got.
Its in an grey area. Not legal but also not illegal.
But the difference to pservers is, pservers are more on the illegal side (if not completely illegal) - no matter what.
This server claims to be more on the legal side (if not completely legal).
(As always, no facts, just rumors...)
And yes, didnt think about it that this could be the reason for eA's afkness...
Staff Members (Source: Facebook):
DarkDevine
Sirius_Black/DeathBlack
Simca/Aylana
T-Bash/Yashiro
gash
Sirius_White
Kenpachi
Phew... so... DarkDevine is in the Staff...
Maybe he can say a word or two bout this Project and whats true/wrong? ^^
Just checked irc channels. They now got an brand new (i suppose) irc channel (#roorg @ deltaanime).
Everything I can say to this, that this indeed is (or will be) a legal server.
I am in the development-team for web-coding and general content as well as marketing.
The team is correct as posted there, most people mentioned there should be quite known, as for Simca, she's my girlfriend and responsible for our graphics, e.g. the current ROorg pre-project page.
Last time a forum posted about ROorg, it became a huge flame-thread, one mod got his rights revoked, I got 30 of 6 possible warns and ROorg was titled a scam-project.
I won't go into further details, sorry.
You may ask Sirius_Black for more information in irc.deltaanime.net, channel #roorg, just as mentioned before.
Wow. :O
I'm very interested to see how this will turn out, best of luck to all of you, Dark.
Very interesting indeed. Good luck, Dark.
Sounds like this might turn things around o-o I'll definitely make sure to give this server a try :P
Oooo with character transfer in there that makes me super tempted to try it out.
Even if all I get to keep character wise would be levels that'd be super super cool with me X_X
*Will love to see more info about this server once it is ready*
I can't help but wonder what the point of this is, though?
I mean it seems nice, but there's already things like iRO-Valkyrie floating around. What's the perk? It's as up-to-date as kRO is? It plans to be bigger & badder than current retail servers?
I'm not trying to be a **** but yeah I really just do not get it. Expecting people to legitly play a 1x (I'm merely assuming you'll have some kind of anti-bot, if not then REALLY what is the point?) at this point is optimistic to say the least.
Well... they are in the making of an brand-new client.
More possabilitys.
And i appreciate an back to the roots 1x original server.
And by gods sake, i kind of BET they will have an bot protection... look at the staff... :x
I'm not having good vibes with this new server.
Quote from: Lucian on Apr 26, 2010, 02:44 PM
Very interesting indeed. Good luck, Dark.
Quote from: Descent on Apr 26, 2010, 02:24 PM
I'm very interested to see how this will turn out, best of luck to all of you, Dark.
Thanks
Quote from: Abversen on Apr 26, 2010, 11:45 PM
I mean it seems nice, but there's already things like iRO-Valkyrie floating around. What's the perk? It's as up-to-date as kRO is? It plans to be bigger & badder than current retail servers?
You will see once it is released, dude. Believe me. There would be no sense in explaining now, when it will be released in at least 1th August this year, since things can change every day.
Quote from: Abversen on Apr 26, 2010, 11:45 PM
I'm not trying to be a **** but yeah I really just do not get it. Expecting people to legitly play a 1x (I'm merely assuming you'll have some kind of anti-bot, if not then REALLY what is the point?) at this point is optimistic to say the least.
Sirius_White is the author of Harmony, the bot protection that OpenKore abandoned to bypass in v2 because they weren't able to, v3 is already out. The project surely is optimistic, being pessimistic brings you nowhere in life, since you just don't try out, so we rather are optimistic.
I am myself excited seeing this project growing, all we can do is to wait until the release and check it out by our very own.
Since I am the web-developer, I sadly don't have information I can satisfy you with. I am just a random eA contributor that they picked for their team because of my web-skills.
Thanks to everyone that will at least give ROorg a shot once it is released.
Here are the only things I can think of:
- No lag.
- Impressive anti-bot.
- Good staff.
And that's really it. Unless this is some kind of customized 1x, there's pretty much nothing else unless you do things like fix position lag, but that's a negligible change at best. I'm not trying to downplay this server, obviously the intentions are good, but I can't understand what I could possibly "wait and see". The concept of the server is controversial and not very awe-inspiring. Maybe I'm missing the point somehow, but so far this is coming off as a "too little, too late" server. I could see this being successful 3-4 years ago. But not now.
Same goes for me.
The concept is very interesting, but I don't think there's any more in me left to have a go at a 1x, even though what really got me hooked into RO was the outstanding sense of community you can accomplish/find in low rates (or, err, in an official server at least).
We'll see in August :P Good luck to the people behind this project ;)
We will issue a press release within the next week. But be assured, this is definitely not "yet another server".
Not that I don't believe you. But how does one get a license to run a server? This just seems like another pserver to me, apart from the great staff you seem to get there.
Quote from: adhelle on Apr 27, 2010, 11:24 AM
Not that I don't believe you. But how does one get a license to run a server? This just seems like another pserver to me, apart from the great staff you seem to get there.
That and more will be explained in the press release.
Just make sure to read it, I'll post a link here if needed.
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 27, 2010, 12:54 PM
Quote from: adhelle on Apr 27, 2010, 11:24 AM
Not that I don't believe you. But how does one get a license to run a server? This just seems like another pserver to me, apart from the great staff you seem to get there.
That and more will be explained in the press release.
Just make sure to read it, I'll post a link here if needed.
Please do link us. I really want to read about this new server.
I now splitted the Informations in the FirstPost between "Facts" & "Rumors" if you got any information, please let me know :D
RO is to dead for this tbh
Good luck though, sounds like it'll be great
Quote from: Orange on Apr 28, 2010, 09:21 AM
RO is to dead for this tbh
Good luck though, sounds like it'll be great
I always wonder about that.
I think RO isn't dead, it's just the fact that the whole community is now splitting over about 100.000 servers which lets it look kinda dead.
Personally, I played most MMORPGs out there, even WoW-crap, I always came back to RO, it's the only MMORPG I really like
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 28, 2010, 09:29 AM
I always wonder about that.
I think RO isn't dead, it's just the fact that the whole community is now splitting over about 100.000 servers which lets it look kinda dead.
Of which over 950,000 of those servers are corrupt. xD
Looking forward to the press release. Hell, I may even give the server a shot when it's open.
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 28, 2010, 09:29 AM
Quote from: Orange on Apr 28, 2010, 09:21 AM
RO is to dead for this tbh
Good luck though, sounds like it'll be great
I always wonder about that.
I think RO isn't dead, it's just the fact that the whole community is now splitting over about 100.000 servers which lets it look kinda dead.
Personally, I played most MMORPGs out there, even WoW-crap, I always came back to RO, it's the only MMORPG I really like
Other MMO's with multiple servers just merge them when that happens.
RO's population being split over Pservers makes that impossible
So yeah, it does seem a lot more dead then it is, think of all the servers with 1-50 people just hanging out in pront, if they were all on 1 server you'd think the game has a lot of players.
RO has to good of a PvP/PvM to just die(Tried ~10 other games while playing RO myself, all of them had similar PvM and PvP had no skill involved and you could GvG without looking at your screen on atleast 5 of the games)
I still think this would be a lot better if it happened a few years ago ;-;
Quote from: Orange on Apr 28, 2010, 11:50 AM
I still think this would be a lot better if it happened a few years ago ;-;
Better late than never
Quote from: Orange on Apr 28, 2010, 11:50 AM
I still think this would be a lot better if it happened a few years ago ;-;
I agree whole-heartedly, but easily the biggest selling point to the server would be the history behind the dev's. Players could nearly rest assured that there would be 0% chance the server would have any problems whatsoever and this would work to their advantage. However, a lot of people know how harsh 1x rates really are. It's a mixed bag, one can only guess what it may come out to. I'm still saying the result will not be good, strictly speaking of population of course. But, you only know when you know. I hope for the best, but I'm the kind of guy to prepare for the worst first.
It sounds exciting for a possibility to have a server with a team that knows what they are doing. Leveling makes me QQ though. 1x rates hold my attention for about a.... I have a ton of questions, but this really isn't the place or time to ask them, so all I can say is Good Luck, and I look forward to the official launch.
The rates are not final yet.
We are completely aware of the fact that most RO players are not willed to start on a fresh 1x server anymore. Neither are we.
Due to the technical structure we can't say much about the final rates, but they are not going to be comparable to original '1x'. We will cover this in the press release, though.
mystfitz: You can drop us a mail or just visit our IRC channel :)
Quote from: DarkDevine on Apr 30, 2010, 05:39 AM
Take your racism comments to your 4chan boards please.
If you don't know what's going on, don't post.
Ignore the offensive part.
Same Game. Different Server. Low Rate.
Unlimited Possibilities.
Editted: I don't participate in the 4chan community.
You dont even know the servers features.
You cant know the Serverengine.
You cant know the new client.
So how can u say "Same game, different server"? If your point is "it reamains beeing ro" ... well... what the hell are you searching for? Every Ragnarok Online server remains beeing Ragnarok online. :p
Plus im really looking ages for a really good low rates server where i can start from the begin as i did at the euro pserver time (before official euro started).
I dont say this server is going to be kick a** and everything else will die because of this server. I just want you to give it atleast a chance. Try it, test it, then flame if u want to :P.
Flaming without knowing anything but the staff bout the server is kinda crap, especially when the staffs are from eA imo.
Noone ever said that ROorg will be a project changing everything or a project that will get many players, noone.
Every project everyone of us does just can't be more than a try, because you can never know if it fails or not.
If it's a failure, you try something new, if not, then you can sit back and watch it growing, you're through it.
Everyone in the ROorg Team, except Simca, is familiar with eAthena for years now, we all had own servers, more than one mostly,
we all contributed tons of stuff to the eAthena community, we've been learning eAthena all the time, playing with it, trying things out,
adjusting, fixing and optimizing it. Noone is perfect, I would never say that, and I believe GorthexTiger as well as l2ue have the same, if not
more experience with eAthena, so sure, there is a possibility that ROorg will be a fail, but there's also a high chance that it will be a success.
It's just senseless to say "Uhh, bad project, germans, pinoy holocaust etc.", it won't hurt one of us and more than that,
like I said a page before I think, pessimists get nowhere in life, if you don't even try, you're purposed to fail.
If you try, there can be both, win and fail. And what of those it will be, noone can't decide.
More than that, l2ue: ROorg will run with an own serverengine as well as an own client, self-coded, UNLIMITED POSSIBILITIES, the ROorg project is interesting in a few ways, if they aren't interesting to you, keep it at that, don't visit us on 01-08-2010 and just keep your biased and racism opinion by yourself. You may know about eAthena, I can't know if you do or not, I don't know you, but you're far not the best one out there and I believe, that Sirius_White's and Sirius_Black's experience goes far beyond your's, far beyond that of everyone here, they've been with it when eAthena didn't even exist, they've been with it when eAthena started, they've been with it when eAthena grew. Those two are the leaders of the ROorg project, where I won't say that success is to be bound to occur, but at least the success chance will be higher than you can imagine with your biased points.
To your racism comments: Should all germans stay away of IT now, because we can't change the way past proceeded? There are worse nations out there, people getting killed in different countries, every day, that's amerika in iraq for you, that's the ruling families in phillipines, that's people in africa that fight for god and food and there are many more. Take some history lessons dude, seriously.
Please, guys, just cut it.
It doesn't matter what you say, we will either ignore it or prove you wrong. We have a plan, we have a project, we have the team for it, we have the ideas and the possibilities. We are going to create ROorg and we are going to release it.
This thread had it's purpose, you wanted to have information, information will follow in the statement we're still writing.
Until that, just stop posting, it's senseless and everything posted now is a pure flame-war, which should not be held in a thread like that.
Thanks for reading my wall of text.
Why does every topic on RMS somehow result in drama...
Still looking forward to this project. Looks very promising and I'm very curious of what you guys will pull off :)
...in the blink of an eye this topic indeed derailed abit.
anyway, cleaned.
ont: This is indeed very interesting for the fact that it remains classic, which I will always love.
I'm really, really hyped about this.
That is, if it's at least 10/10/10 ;-; < sad face, appeal to it?
Any word on when the press release will happen?
It sounds like a very interesting project.
Really looking forward to this server once it opens in August. After reading through what I needed to read, I wish the best of luck to everyone at roorg even though they won't be needing it~
If it racks up a good number players on opening day, I may join. :)
Quote from: Judgement on May 13, 2010, 03:49 PM
If it racks up a good number players on opening day, I may join. :)
No doubt it will, even if it's just people wanting to take a look rather than play :)
may I ask how the character transfer works?
Quote from: adhelle on May 14, 2010, 11:03 AM
may I ask how the character transfer works?
I guess that will be explained in the PR as well.
I am waiting for the PR as well, I am barely online atm so I don't know the current status.
So uhhh. What's the news?
Yeah.. News would be nice D:
I can't access the website.
Is this thing over? ???
Uh, not that I know, I didn't notice that the Website is down lol.
Didn't talk to the Sirius-Brothers for a while, I will try to get some fresh information.
Posted on: May 26, 2010, 06:07 pm
Alright, the page is back up again.
I couldn't find out what happened sadly.
I am still waiting for the PR, so are you I guess, I asked when it's done, but I always get a "it's nearly done".
Still waiting.
Can't wait :D This looks really good.
Spoiler
Pleeassee at least 10/10/10!
Can't this be earlier. like uhh, June 1? LOLOLOLOL.
Well, Wikipedia &Devblog gone online.
http://wiki.roorg.net/
http://wiki.roorg.net/devblog
Wow, I didn't even know that lol
I should be in the IRC more often
Just for those who miss out the Information on the Wiki (Hell yeah, i/we feel alone over there):
You can talk/discuss with us (sometimes, at least when we're online :D) on IRC:
irc.dal.net #roorg (http://irc://irc.dal.net/roorg)
But don't ask for the PR please ;)
We know that everyone is waiting.
I hope I'm not necro-ing a thread,
but this project is really interesting, haven't been THAT interested in a Ragnarok Server since the day I actually downloaded the game the first time on iRO...
Actually in the dev blog there are a few entrys.
Team still active in the IRC.
So, im not worried at all :)
(But i still think first of august is kinda early for a huge project like that :p well, we will see ;p)
It won't be the first august, though I don't know the new, official release date yet.
I could imagine something around December.
At least they have a good reason, they now won't just code a new server engine, but a new client, too.
I remember, back in the Yare days, when there was works to creating a fully open-source, RO-compatible client.
It got shot down because Gravity's legal department got on the case. Servers may be a "gray" area when it comes to legality, but a client that actually accesses the grf contents (and thus, Gravity's copyright) is not....
I wonder if this time around it'll be any different. It's been a good six years or more since then. Or will it be another case of "those who won't learn from history are doomed to repeat it?"
As far as I know Sirius_Black was involved in the Yare-Development, he even went on developing it after it got shot down.
There should be still a board online somewhere regarding Yare managed by Sirius_Black.
Though, who am I, I don't know enough about it to explain you, Sirius_Black is your man I think.
Isnt yare called freya nowadays?
Thought its the same?
I don't remember that Yare and Freya have been the same, afaik Freya was just yet another RO emulator software that couldn't keep up with eAthena.
Yare has somewhat always been a side-project of Sirius_Black for emulating AEGIS perfectly.
I don't know if he also included an own client in this project, but there was a server-engine at least.
In my Mind is something like that:
Yare shot down --> People took open core yare and kept coding it --> Freya (just another codename, in fact its the same) made by new team.
Well, i can be wrong though...
I don't particularly remember the story of Freya. I remember back then the three main emulators were Yare, Weiss and Athena (jAthena was more known than eAthena back then). Yare had the biggest pull back then, because their site used to host all sort of RO related projects, this is also why it got shot down, they were hosting things like hexed clients directly on their website :/
I don't remember the details about said open-source RO client, so I have no idea who worked on it or if project Yare was involved at all. I only know I learned of it by reading in the Yare forums (which was a central point for all things RO, like the eAthena forums are these days)
I just lmao
http://wiki.roorg.net/start?rev=1275518884
Quote from: Scereye on Jul 19, 2010, 06:54 AM
I just lmao
http://wiki.roorg.net/start?rev=1275518884
For non-german speakers:
It's the title-song of a very old TV show for children called "Wickie der Wikinger" (Wickie the Viking)
Interesting. I'll definitly try this server once it's released.
This reminds me of that one server. They had a custom client, server, always up-to-date, has an entire team of programmers, artist, and executives. And the best part is that they have been around for as long as RO has and have over thousands of players everyday. Its free to play and its legal as well.
Now what was that server called again? Was the team chinese or japanese or something?
So wait, it's not opening at August 1? At least update the website please. :/
I'm sorry for not having any information, I'm working the whole day and spend my spare time with my girlfriend, I didn't get any information regarding ROorg for months now because I'm just not active.
I'll try to get to talk to Sirius_Black.
Posted on: Jul 27, 2010, 08:44 pm
Statement released, read http://roorg.net/ for more information
Push for Information :D
Im still looking forward to roorg :D
As am I.
I'm going cold-turkey from RO untill this server is out. It will get me motivated as hell. Now all i need to think about is what to play as a main char... Any suggestions? (I played all chars as a main allready.)
For a while, I thought I might join there...this stopped me:
Quote from: ROOrg
We will allow you to transfer your existing Characters from other Offical Servers, such as Euro and iRO to us.
Starting along with kafrashopped and god-geared characters? No thanks.
There might be a misunderstanding, but there will be no way to receive stuff like high-level gears and kafra shop items via the char transfer by ROorg.
I don't know the complete process of the char-transfer yet, though I heard, that only a part of your work can (or will) be transfered to the ROorg servers.
e.g. if you got a 99/70 Champion on iRO having 5m Zeny, god-like items and MvP cards, all you'd get are e.g. a level 70 Monk where your stats and skills are free allocatable as well as some zeny in return, e.g. a total of 1.5 m.
Some important items can be received, I think stuff like a Raydric card could be okay, but there will be no transactions, that might unbalance players regarding the people that didn't transfer their chars from a previous server.
I'll try to let Sirius_Black write a little information regarding the char transfer soon.
Posted on: Aug 18, 2010, 08:32 pm
http://www.euro-ro.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=18751&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=310
You can google translate this thread regarding euRO's close and some statements of Sirius_Black regarding ROorg.
In a nutshell, in his last post he says, that there will be no complete char-transfer.
He's still thinking about what exactly will be transfered, yet sure is, that there will be something like a hall of fame and a bonus, like a special starter kit, for transfered chars. The worth of this bonus depends on the progress of your character that was transfered.
More than that he'll try to back-up, especially euRO, characters for further projects so that nothing of your char will be lost, even if the official servers go down.
You might ask how he plans to get the data of the characters, he already got a solution that he's not publishing yet and I'm not allowed to release information regarding it, with the fact, that he'll not need database access or even the approval of official servers.
Anyways, I've talked to him in TS just now and the progress of ROorg seems to be fine, nothing to worry about, the project is up and running.
Transfer (actually not transfer, but copying) chars without database access? That's either "gimme your pass" or "meet ya ingame" way...I don't even think of "post a screenie" way, since it's too easy to fake...
Either way, I don't like it.
You don't have to like it, but please don't think bad about this project until it is out and there are reasons to give why you don't like it. Just nothing is sure yet and through our server-engine and client we have an incredible dynamic setup and features.
I can't stress one point enough:
This server will be official-like, but it will not be comparable to any RO experience you got yet.
This starts at the completely customizable user interface via lua and ends with rates, episodes and features that are not there to just be "modified", but there to fill the gaps and holes of the current Ragnarok Online.
Make sure to at least give it a shot and then create your final opinion once it is released.
Quote from: DarkDevine on Aug 19, 2010, 01:17 AM
I can't stress one point enough:
This server will be official-like, but it will not be comparable to any RO experience you got yet.
This starts at the completely customizable user interface via lua and ends with rates, episodes and features that are not there to just be "modified", but there to fill the gaps and holes of the current Ragnarok Online.
Like Sarin, I have my pre-opening reservations about ROorg, but in a different way. Official-like? Incomparable RO experience? Fill gaps and holes of current RO? The development team first made a very bold opening date announcement of August 1, and was moved to October (I think). PR is horrible (well, if this thread can even be considered "PR"/exposure). Even a member of the team, yourself, does not know enough details of the project especially with regard to development status. Etc etc. Yes, I know life interferes, but if a team makes such hopeful, amazing, future-of-RO claims, one would expect it to at least deliver.
In a nutshell, I think the team is too ambitious (customizable everything? won't get into trouble with Gravity? can transfer official characters?) yet seemingly does not have the drive necessary to turn lofty ideas into reality on deadlines they themselves set for the project.
I hope I'm wrong, but it does sound like every other "hey this idea can make my server GREAT"... but lacked in the implementation aspect / was not followed up properly. All of this is just my opinion, by the way; I hope I'm allowed at least that. I will nevertheless loosely follow the developments of this project, and may even support it
when if it is actualized.
Actually the ROorg project was planned over 3 years by Sirius_Black and since then he's working on it constantly.
The release date was moved because of missing help of Sirius_White, which can be referred back to his real-life problems that can be found in this boards regarding his Harmony bot protection as well as because of the idea to even write an own client.
I could explain more and more, but actually it doesn't make any sense.
All information I am allowed to tell you are written here among this thread, everything else is yet to be kept a secret, though you will surely get those informations soon or realize it by yourself.
Like I said a few posts before, this thread had its purpose, information is there.
If you believe in this project, if you join it in october, if you trust in the work of the ROorg developers, that is up to you.
You don't have to love ROorg and we don't force you to.
Like I said, just make sure you try it once it is released. If you think it's a scam or something like that, just don't use your general password and personal data for registration. If you think it's all for money, paypal logs will be released on the website completely. If you just don't like it, quit it, we don't force you to play it. If you like it, welcome to ROorg and have a good time.
I'll keep this thread updated with newest information regarding ROorg, for anything else, please use the PM system, I'll answer your questions if you got any and explain completely.
Regards
This is probably going to be the biggest future Hall of Shame thread in the history of RMS. Not that I care, but whatever is coming up seems very interesting.
And not that I know what the future is going to be like, but there are red flags shooting up everywhere.
1) Server emphasize on proper use of donation money.
- It obvious that some of the staff members work hard for the server, but what do they get in return? Hardware can be considered an asset which can be disburse when the server closes down. And they could take some of the donation money by reporting it under "professional services." Its not hard to figure out that anything that looks legitimate, can also be corrupt, for example, Bernie Madoff.
2) Lacking updates / content in FB, Twitter, and Wiki.
- There update post dates jump in months not weeks. Lack of special events and news usually isn't a good thing. If this is as big of deal as it has been advertise, it would get at least some community events or staff reporting.
3) Postpone released data due to personal problems already.
- Pretty much shows the dedication and the amount of work that the staff can't handle. They're are supposely working there asses off for no gain.
4) There advertisement thread has been on RMS for OVER +3 months.
- And it isn't surpising to know that DarkDevine is the marketer. Which is odd since he isn't even the thread starter.
5) Features and customs sounds TOO good to be true.
- Personally, I know how hard it is to developed a project of this scale, which means like most businesses. When work gets tough, they cut corners that can cost them big. Also, it takes years for a game to develop and months for beta.
6) Things such as "Press Release" are probably over-hype and low-profile.
- The words press release usually reminds you of the media in terms of news coverage or whatever. But looks to me like yet another overhype and low-profile server.
7) No one knows anything.
- An safe assumption.
I wonder how confident the staff is with there current project.
Hello l2ue.
Your doubts, as the ones of the two posters before, are completely valid.
I don't know how this will get into the HoS yet, but I'm sure you can explain this point.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
1) Server emphasize on proper use of donation money.
- It obvious that some of the staff members work hard for the server, but what do they get in return? Hardware can be considered an asset which can be disburse when the server closes down. And they could take some of the donation money by reporting it under "professional services." Its not hard to figure out that anything that looks legitimate, can also be corrupt, for example, Bernie Madoff.
I know it sounds stupid, but we're not in it for money, we're in it because we like RO, because we want to keep RO alive and because every bigger project counts as a reference for even bigger projects. As said, there will be complete gains/expenses logs available on the website to show you that we're not doing it for money. Personally even I wouldn't believe that when I'd read it from someone else, but that's just how it is.
The association that will be created in germany is not able to have earnings for the participants of that association, we'd come in trouble with the german law if we'd not spend every cent in the association that is earning money.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
2) Lacking updates / content in FB, Twitter, and Wiki.
- There update post dates jump in months not weeks. Lack of special events and news usually isn't a good thing. If this is as big of deal as it has been advertise, it would get at least some community events or staff reporting.
Absolutely true. Sadly all there is at the moment is Sirius_Black coding the whole day. As for my part, the website codes are already done, I'm not very skilled in C, I can't take part at the further development. The rest of the team somewhat stopped developing because of missing trust in Sirius_Black's work, I don't know why exactly.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
3) Postpone released data due to personal problems already.
- Pretty much shows the dedication and the amount of work that the staff can't handle. They're are supposely working there asses off for no gain.
True, too. The last days looked bad from the outside, though, the development always went on, there've been no stops and we, Sirius_Black and me alone, can throughoutly handle the current work that needs to be done.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
4) There advertisement thread has been on RMS for OVER +3 months.
- And it isn't surpising to know that DarkDevine is the marketer. Which is odd since he isn't even the thread starter.
I'm not the marketer, actually, I'm just the webcoder. I don't get too internal information, I do my work and thats it. Sorry if my position doesn't satisfy your need for information, for that you'd need to get to Sirius_Black.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
5) Features and customs sounds TOO good to be true.
- Personally, I know how hard it is to developed a project of this scale, which means like most businesses. When work gets tough, they cut corners that can cost them big. Also, it takes years for a game to develop and months for beta.
The serverengine is based on Yare that was developed over years by Sirius_Black. He's able to create a server that contains the advertised features, I have no doubts in that. You may have them, you'll see if they are confirmed once ROorg is released.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
6) Things such as "Press Release" are probably over-hype and low-profile.
- The words press release usually reminds you of the media in terms of news coverage or whatever. But looks to me like yet another overhype and low-profile server.
Actually I said the same thing to Sirius_Black.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
7) No one knows anything.
- An safe assumption.
Sometimes it's better to not know everything, else you'd be missing the "surprise"-effect once ROorg is released.
Quote from: l2ue on Aug 19, 2010, 03:55 PM
I wonder how confident the staff is with there current project.
Sirius_Black and me are 100% confident, I don't know about the other staff members and actually I don't even care, since Black and me can handle it alone.
Anyways, like said in my post before, if even you got further questions, feel free to PM me and I can explain stuff more detailed, RMS taught me, that wall-of-text posts are mostly skipped and no one cares.
Regards
Lol. This is even worse than I expected. The entire project turns out to be a one man army led by Sirus Black, while the rest of the staff are incompetent cheerleaders.
If that website turns out to be trash, that would be even more pathetic. Heres what I'm expecting, just to see if you actually did anything for the project. 1) Professional HTML/CSS base design with compatibility for every browser. 2) HD graphics and flash content with well-done logos/banners and natural wording. 3) Fully scripted control panel featuring user and admin account management, ladders, server information, and any unique features other than the ones on flux. Meaning that it should be custom since the server is heavily emphasis on custom-made. 4) Forum with custom made skin using IPB or Bulletin Board. 5) Website must have an extraordinary amount of content explaining nearly everything and anything about the server. After all, you take questions and can explain things in detail. 6) At least one extraordinary feature. 7) A well managed host for the website.
These are just some of things that I would've on my website if I had months to work on it with pre-existing knowledge on web design (HTML, CSS) and coding (PHP, JAVA, AJAX, RUBY, SQL), as well as an elite graphics designer girlfriend who also happens to be on the staff. If you've atleast 1, 2, 3, and 5. That be great.
Quote from: DarkDevine on Aug 19, 2010, 05:13 PM
Sometimes it's better to not know everything, else you'd be missing the "surprise"-effect once ROorg is released.
Well it will be a suprise if this project ever gets released.
Good luck stealing these paying euRO players anyway.
Quote from: FrEeDoMe on Aug 20, 2010, 06:04 AM
Good luck stealing these paying euRO players anyway.
euRO goes down in september, Gravity abandoned it.
Thanks for your comment, anyways.
this is official ro oo?
I request a close of this thread.
The purpose of this thread was information about this project, currently people just need to follow the wiki in case of the need of updates.
For detailed explanations I request that people just PM me or visit our IRC/TeamSpeak.
Like I said in almost every post, get some patience and wait until ROorg releases more information and first beta-clients etc., nothing is sure yet, yet it's just a project that's coding an own client and server-engine and will set up a server with it that Gravity can't sue for their activities.
You're actually hyping this project too much.
I am not a marketer or community manager, I'm the just the web-coder. There is nothing that I can tell you that is for sure.
As for any further questions, I'll not respond in this thread anymore, I explained most stuff, everything else that can come now is flame and bashing.
Regards and thanks in advance
Less than two weeks to October 3 and looks like there's nothing new :-\ is anyone even working on this server anymore?
Quote from: wireless on Sep 22, 2010, 03:07 PM
Less than two weeks to October 3 and looks like there's nothing new :-\ is anyone even working on this server anymore?
That's what I'm wondering. The last update was months ago. Either August or April, I forgot lol
Interesting and Exciting. I'll be playing this if it goes well and be dragging some. I think I've seen somethng new client developed at eA last week o.o idk if that is the one they will use. But as far as I know, only one person made/developing it.
I should search something about the info's of those staffs. :P
They're trying to run a high-profile, pay-to-play server, in GERMANY of all countries, and expecting not to get choked out by the long arm of the law and/or hand of oppression? Hahahaha. Have these people even ever SEEN Germany's legal system? Sure it might take them fifty years to see a court date, but it's still not going to be pleasant.
Hall of Shame. It's all a f*** hoax.
Quote from: Kuprin on Sep 23, 2010, 12:25 AM
They're trying to run a high-profile, pay-to-play server, in GERMANY of all countries, and expecting not to get choked out by the long arm of the law and/or hand of oppression? Hahahaha. Have these people even ever SEEN Germany's legal system? Sure it might take them fifty years to see a court date, but it's still not going to be pleasant.
Hall of Shame. It's all a f*** hoax.
You obviously dont know Sirius_black.
Close the thread please, i wanted to inform for this server in the first place, now people are just complaining.
Also the informations are not up 2 date anymore.
In Germany we say "Ausnahmen bestätigen die Regel", or "Exceptions confirm the rule".
If you don't know about the gray zones in the german law system, don't talk about said system.
By the way, who said it would be Pay2Play? ROorg is completely free and all features are accessible without even spending a cent.