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Offline Fantaxy

Quick Question!
« on: Aug 31, 2013, 07:26 AM »
So, hey guys!
I've been missing from the RO community and RO as a whole for a while, and I decided to go back.
I've been playing RO for a very long while until I stopped a few years, and now, I'm returning to the scene.

So, enough with the pleasantries, the main reason I started this thread was because I and my friends were planning to start a new server, and we're pretty much dedicated on this, but the thing is, we've been having a pretty hard time deciding on what rates and features the server would possibly have. We are aware this would be no easy feat, but would like to pursue on making our first server. So, if you guys could help us out, that would be rad. Thanks!

So, here are the guidelines of what we want to know, and of course, you could add one of your own.
[Note: We would like an idea of what rates/features would attract the most players]

What features would you want on YOUR dream server?

Rates? (mid rate, high rate?) [numbers numbers!]
Pre-renewal trans or 3rd jobs?
Preferred Level? [99/70 or 255/120 for Trans? or 150/50 for 3rd?]
Wanted drop rate of items and mvp cards?
BG? WoE (1st edition or 2nd edition)? PvP?
These are the major things that are on top of my head right now, if I may have forgotten anything, feel free to let me know and add it on your list.

Thanks much~!
« Last Edit: Aug 31, 2013, 08:49 AM by Fantaxy »

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Offline Meta

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #1 on: Aug 31, 2013, 08:32 AM »
I'm cool with pretty much any server if there are enough decent people running around. I've learned over time that the quality of a server isn't in its technical specs or customizations. The staff and community are everything. Unfortunately, most private servers are full of people who do nothing but bicker mindlessly.

Offline Rayeth

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #2 on: Aug 31, 2013, 09:52 AM »
There is a lot of server right now and the best way to compete is to stand out!
What i mean by that is there should be atleast one major feature that will separate you among the rest! i have some ideas about this and I would rather pm u i guess if youre interested.

Have people beta test the server first!Do not ever open a server filled with bugs coz it will be really annoying and discouraging to play!
Make the card drop rates like 0.05 % for normal and the MVP card 0.01 %.
Once you go over max level 99 from there it will become unbalance stick to 99/70 server.
Customization is very good but please stay away from ANIME theme!... big wings with horrible color pallette is a big NO NO!
and don't give any customization that will affect the stats majorly!

I have a lot of things in mind but this is just some of it... do u have any forums where we can discuss this coz I'm willing to help you guys... Most importantly though your group of staff. I have seen a lof of servers with potential but prevented them to become successful because of corrupt GMs! and Gms should listen to players!


Offline Creme

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #3 on: Aug 31, 2013, 12:44 PM »
Have people beta test the server first!Do not ever open a server filled with bugs coz it will be really annoying and discouraging to play!
Make the card drop rates like 0.05 % for normal and the MVP card 0.01 %.
Once you go over max level 99 from there it will become unbalance stick to 99/70 server.
Customization is very good but please stay away from ANIME theme!... big wings with horrible color pallette is a big NO NO!
and don't give any customization that will affect the stats majorly!

I have a lot of things in mind but this is just some of it... do u have any forums where we can discuss this coz I'm willing to help you guys... Most importantly though your group of staff. I have seen a lof of servers with potential but prevented them to become successful because of corrupt GMs! and Gms should listen to players!
I agree with most of what Rayeth said.

Definitely have an open beta for the server before it opens to help weed out common and uncommon bugs.
Perhaps open a forums to ease communication

Personally, I miss customized servers like UtopiaRO which was a 99/70 trans server with custom events, maps, a few custom mobs, and custom quests--but no changes to any mechanics or stats or classes.  I feel that typical BG/WoE MRs are everywhere these days and have little to do in between WoEs (other than grind BGs), but a server that offers something more to keep players playing on the server for longer and more than just two things is better.

Because of this, lower rates, I believe, are more fun, but not so low that there's little feeling of gain.  Standard 99/70 levels, trans only, no third classes (otherwise you'd be competing directly with the likes of CasualRO and CookieRO), town and dungeon (lvl1) warper, healer, resetter, REQs, and of course definitely have WoE SE and BG 2.0.  Rates wise, something between 10x and 25x base/job would be awesome, with drop rates between 5 and 10x imo.  But really, it would be nice to have something for players to do in between WoEs and BGs, even if it's just custom PVM events.

Also, seeing as you have a decent team, it's important to keep lines of communication open with your team and the players.  Lack of GM communication is a great segue to corruption and hacking. 
And when the server opens, have some GMs assigned to handling the suggestions forum, even if it's just to say "We've seen this thread, we're discussing it"--something to show that players' concerns are getting GMs' attention.
Another good idea is to have a set weekly maintenance every week.  Fix bugs, add events, remove old events, and show the players you still care.  Oh, and definitely include a detailed changelog too!

Okay, that's enough tl;dr for now.  If you'd like, feel free to PM me for the rest of the suggestions I have.  But I think you've got a good start for now and can't wait to see what you come up with! :)
« Last Edit: Aug 31, 2013, 12:58 PM by Creme »

Offline Kensei

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #4 on: Aug 31, 2013, 01:25 PM »
First, you should decide, what kind of server you want to make? Is it WoE or normal PvM server. Remember that only enabling WoE and/or BG does NOT make you a WoE server.

If you want a WoE server, mostly people want a fast gearing and leveling. I'm not saying it should be HR or SHR. In fact, WoE players mostly enjoy Mid-rates, floating around 100-150x EXP rate with around 5% card drop rate (0.01% MVP, but mostly MVP cards are disabled on WoE on those servers so it's not a big deal). WoE people also prefer pre-renewal with no 3rd jobs. Meaning they only want trans class at most. WoE FE is not a real competition, SE is the real deal, and for BG, you can set up anything but you should have Conquest because it's the mini-WoE for them to play around.

If you want a PvM server, set on your mind and predict, how long do you think the server will last. If you're confident it could last a year or more, mid rate is quite good. Low rate is actually the best for PvM, but considering your competitors are servers that have been up for years, you're going to struggle alot to get players. Why? Most people would stay at their old servers and not so many new players want to grind like good-ol-RO days.

Mid rate is also the same, but the difference is, people will tend to hop more often. People might jump to your server when they're interested, but if they don't like it, they'll leave as well. Old players will tend to stay, but their willing to stay or not to leave is not as great as those who already spent their months in low rate. New players won't get bored fast because you can level faster and see different stuffs instead of staying on same spot for days.

For PvM, you can set anything. With 3rd job or not, renewal or not,  it doesn't really matter. Though I suggest pre-renewal is better because the remaining people who still play RO nowadays are the old players who played before renewal (and I don't think most of them likes renewal because renewal kills RO feels). The problem might me balancing out 3rd job because they were designed for renewal mechanics, but some player wants 3rd job just for trying out stuffs. It's a tough work managing 3rd classes on pre-renewal.

tl;dr : I still suggest pre-renewal with trans classes for all kinds of servers

Offline RoseTea

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #5 on: Aug 31, 2013, 08:19 PM »
Ugh, first of all, I'm not asking people to configure a server for me, I'm just asking about their preferences
"I don't want people to configure it for me, I just want them to tell me what I should configure it to".

Why should we take part in your incredibly boring and frequently-asked survey?  If the goal is to make something to draw in players, I have nothing to gain from doing your own market research for you.  If it's not, then I'm of the opinion you're asking the wrong questions.  Rates, episode, BG/WoE/PvP, why should I care at all about answering any of this when there's already a saturation of servers I can pick from to satisfy whatever version of Generic Ragnarok Online that I prefer?

Are you actually going to attempt something innovative?

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Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #6 on: Sep 01, 2013, 08:04 AM »
Rayeth, Creme and Kensei had said my ideas already. :(

If you prefer woe focused server, maybe high-super high rates and never put instant 99/70 something and if you want them to woe asap try placing a item mall too and custom items such as wings (probably add stats to this its a high-super high rates) and make them as quests, should be good.
If you want a pvm server you should focus on doing something with the bosses, maybe increase their hps or something and people prefer low to mid rates for pvm and avoid putting custom items that will highly affect the stats (like +50 stats oh geez!)
Have a good staff to staff and staff to player communications too
Listen to the players
Make sure there are gms assigned to cover up everyone's timezones

Here's my responses to your questions its my preferences though

Low rate to mid rate
Pre-re or renewal are good except renewal is still buggy for me
99/70 for trans and 150 or 160 /50 for renewal
Drop rate for mini and bosses should be 0.01-0.05 something
BG? Sure, place one. I don't even participate in that anyways.

If you want to know more, why not go over to server seeking section and read all of the topics there (well at least 1-3 pages of posts) and you should get a idea from there

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Offline Fantaxy

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #7 on: Sep 02, 2013, 06:52 AM »
"I don't want people to configure it for me, I just want them to tell me what I should configure it to".

Why should we take part in your incredibly boring and frequently-asked survey?  If the goal is to make something to draw in players, I have nothing to gain from doing your own market research for you.  If it's not, then I'm of the opinion you're asking the wrong questions.  Rates, episode, BG/WoE/PvP, why should I care at all about answering any of this when there's already a saturation of servers I can pick from to satisfy whatever version of Generic Ragnarok Online that I prefer?

Are you actually going to attempt something innovative?


Herp Derp.
No ones forcing you to join into the discussion, its a discussion and it plans to discuss and look upon what is attracts the dwellers of RMS and it is exactly doing just that. If you shouldn't care, you don't. Its as simple as that. If you're going to be all "hurr durr" I'm going to trash this guy because I'm close minded and what not and say that there is already a saturation of servers where you can pick whatever the hell you want to, then feel free to do so. 

Are you actually going to say something that contributes?

Also, quick heads up to everyone, whatever the outcome of the results here may be, isn't necessarily going to be our server rates or what not (it might affect it though), but we're leaning to a more mid-rate to high-rate(ish) kind of server, nonetheless, please do keep them coming.

Offline Triper

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #8 on: Sep 03, 2013, 11:00 AM »
Let's try this again. Now from zero and without major trollage.
« Last Edit: Sep 03, 2013, 02:07 PM by Triper »

Offline Sarin

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #9 on: Sep 03, 2013, 12:55 PM »
This is essentially asking people about the server they'd want to play.

So here's mine:
Midrate, about 50/50/50 to 200/200/100. I see no point in making new lowrate these days, RO is slowly withering and committing to a server for a year or more is pointless from my perspective.
Renewal, or pre-renewal with post-renewal content modified to fit pre-renewal balance.
Customization is in order, but not too much. Some custom quests, good availability of headgears and costume gear (please, know the difference between custom and costume...so often I see people confusing it), but not too much. RO players are generally a conservative bunch. A good thing would be alternative ways to obtain some highly used pieces of gear. Something along the lines of Mora quests that allow you to buy high-end gears for coins from quests and enchant them is good.
No multiclienting, and really keep an eye on that one. I hate when making half a dozen slave chars becomes nearly mandatory. Besides, it means there will be classes that almost noone will play as main, like performers (bard/dancer line).
MvP cards limited to PvM/MvP only. Completely disable them in PvP/WoE/BG. Just reducing odds won't help, you'll always get some nutjob who will spend six hours each day just farming MvPs, so he'll eventually get some cards. And on a low population server (like yours is most likely to be), a guy with a monopoly on MvP cards can be a real problem.

Offline Fruit Pie~

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #10 on: Sep 03, 2013, 05:41 PM »
Words.
Fair enough, lemme lay it straight to you.

You're acting like the king of RMS, calling out everyone who has negative opinions about your "server" (which doesn't even exist yet). So everyone's either a troll or retarded if they disagree with you? This is your chance at a good first impression in a small community with an oversaturated market and you're blowing it in spectacular fashion.

Some people get to be arrogant here and get away with it. They either have
several solid mid rates or a large low rate to back their words. You? You're a neophyte with an idea for a server, some very vague "technical knowledge" (with nothing to show for it) and apparently you've been away from the community for three years - you don't have the same free pass.

It's generally best for you that you mutter your hissy fits under your breath, unless you want your reputation as an obstinate, raging person to follow you wherever you go. It also helps you practice - if you talk to us, your fellow forum posters, like this, then the very moment a player talks crap to you as a GM you'll be meeting
Cerberus, the gatekeeper to Hell faster than you can say "Cookie". It's good to be able to hold your fire and keep your profile low in this rant-thread-happy forum.

As is, we don't need to troll you - you're trolling yourself.

Now that I've dispensed my free advice of the day, on topic - not that you give a damn : non-trans 99/50 (or regular trans 99/70 if it need be), mid rate (50x across the board), maybe a boss card drop nerf, BG oriented, at least put some EFFORT into it. That's all.

Offline RoseTea

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #11 on: Sep 03, 2013, 06:04 PM »
Are you actually going to say something that contributes?
I believe I did.  I asked why we should care about your little darling of a up-and-coming server.  This thread is, more or less, what YOU and YOUR STAFF are interested in hearing about people's preferences in a server, look at the language in your first post.

So, here are the guidelines of what we want to know, and of course, you could add one of your own.
[Note: We would like an idea of what rates/features would attract the most players]
From the start, the only discussion to be had here is how to maximize your server's player count.  Although this is a little damning:

isn't necessarily going to be our server rates or what not (it might affect it though), but we're leaning to a more mid-rate to high-rate(ish)

Well, if you've already started making your mind, I guess it doesn't matter what draws in the most players, now does it?

It seems like you're upset because I'm directly questioning the point of your server.  Frankly, if you didn't want that possibility, you should have made a thread strictly about server preferences (not that it'd be a new discussion, running a forums search would give you tons of data to use for that) and not mention anything about starting one.  As it is, this is very much about your future server, so I hold my question is a valid part of discussion.

So, let me ask again: What spark of ingenuity, the unique little shining diamond, are you going to bring out in this server that will make me care about it over any of the others?

Offline Meta

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #12 on: Sep 03, 2013, 06:58 PM »
I'm starting to agree with Boreas on the state of the community at RMS. This whole thread is embarrassing for the community. Triper has had to clean it up twice.

Let the OP discuss this hypothetical server with interested parties and opt out of participating if it bugs you so much.

Offline Fruit Pie~

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #13 on: Sep 03, 2013, 07:10 PM »
I'm starting to agree with Boreas on the state of the community at RMS. This whole thread is embarrassing for the community. Triper has had to clean it up twice.

Let the OP discuss this hypothetical server with interested parties and opt out of participating if it bugs you so much.
It might blow your mind, but discussing why his hypothetical server is affected by his attitude or how it's going to stand out among the extensive ocean of bland mid-rates is discussing the server.

It's just not what the OP wants to hear, that's all.

EDIT : If we could only post things that agreed with the OP and reinforced his views, we might as well go full on Reddit and turn this whole community into a gigantic circlejerk.

Offline Cressy

Re: Quick Question!
« Reply #14 on: Sep 03, 2013, 08:33 PM »
It might blow your mind, but discussing why his hypothetical server is affected by his attitude or how it's going to stand out among the extensive ocean of bland mid-rates is discussing the server.

It's just not what the OP wants to hear, that's all.

EDIT : If we could only post things that agreed with the OP and reinforced his views, we might as well go full on Reddit and turn this whole community into a gigantic circlejerk.


His attitude seems good for someone opening a server. He's open to the ideas of others, though still has something of his own plan. Which just shows that he didn't just roll in here intending to get told how to make a server, he just wanted ideas on what would be BEST to improve on and add to the server he already has in mind. Rose attacked him, out of no where from what I can see, and so he defended himself; not sure how that's an attitude problem.

Also, about the circlejerk. Looks like you and Rose are already started with each other, should we join in on that, or is it a private party?