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Offline Kris

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #15 on: Jun 17, 2017, 08:00 PM »
I want to be able to take control of all aspects of the server without going into learning any syntax at all, if that's possible.

That's like robbing a bank which has no money in it  /??
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Offline Blinzer

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #16 on: Jun 17, 2017, 09:08 PM »
That's like robbing a bank which has no money in it  /??

i'd say that's closer to wanting to travel to other galaxies without the appropriate space ship

Offline kanemi

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #17 on: Jun 18, 2017, 02:13 AM »
That's like robbing a bank which has no money in it  /??

Not like I haven't tried that either.  /swt

But I meant "take control" more as in "give dictation".

Offline Kris

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #18 on: Jun 18, 2017, 06:04 PM »
Not like I haven't tried that either.  /swt

But I meant "take control" more as in "give dictation".

How could you take control for something you know nothing about
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Offline kanemi

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #19 on: Jun 18, 2017, 06:33 PM »
By having a ledger. Easy. I know this sounds like rocket science to you but it's really not. Like what Zinnia said. I like that and think we should leave it there.

Offline misterj

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #20 on: Jun 18, 2017, 10:14 PM »
if youre rich and your server is fun to play on, thats ok with me!

Offline Kris

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #21 on: Jun 19, 2017, 12:42 AM »
By having a ledger. Easy. I know this sounds like rocket science to you but it's really not. Like what Zinnia said. I like that and think we should leave it there.

To put things into perspective, Donald Trump became the president of America without knowing the first thing about politics. Likewise, you can definitely start your own server without knowing the first thing about coding or anything RO related. This does not change the reality that both, America & your server will be destroyed. Cheers!
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Offline Potatoes

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #22 on: Jun 19, 2017, 02:02 AM »
I'll have to agree with yC as well, there are too many issues with what you plan on doing. You may have good intentions, but that's not good enough.

Also let's not kid ourselves here, and sorry if you find this harsh, but your developper is fully aware you're incompetent (and that is how he sees it no matter how nice he may seem). You're not in control of anything here. Scripting is the easy part and it's pretty much a requirement to know how to script as a server admin.

How about the rest? The source is one thing, but more importantly, do you know how to manage your VPS/dedicated server? What if your server crashes?

Or I don't know, what about your SQL capabilities:
- What if your website's SQL account privileges aren't set properly and someone deletes your whole DB through SQL injection? How are you going to handle that?
- What if an ex-admin uses his database and decides to log into known accounts to mess up players? Will you be able to do anything to resolve that?
- A more common case, what if someone asks you to return his item because he sold it to an NPC?

Or on the script side:
- What if someone reports a buggy NPC?
- What if an NPC is exploitable and requires immediate fixing?
- What if... a planned event you wanted to run on your own has an issue? "Sorry guys, I can't... find the problem, we'll try that again in a few hours when I talk to my guy!"

I don't know the extent of your knowledge, but if you're asking if it's feasible to pay someone to code your whole server, I assume you don't know too much about managing a server to begin with. You don't need to know everything of course, but you need to be willing to learn how to script and how to modify your sources.

Offline Bue

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #23 on: Jun 19, 2017, 02:03 AM »
To put things into perspective, Donald Trump became the president of America without knowing the first thing about politics. Likewise, you can definitely start your own server without knowing the first thing about coding or anything RO related. This does not change the reality that both, America & your server will be destroyed. Cheers!

Go back to the first page and read what Zinnia said.
« Last Edit: Jun 19, 2017, 02:42 AM by Bue »

Offline Kris

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #24 on: Jun 19, 2017, 02:34 AM »
Go back to the first page and read what Zinnia said.

You need to go back and re-read what Zinnia said about trust. Zinnia has colossal experience in this particular field, thanks to Hall Of Shame inductee, class of 2015 - Cookie
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Offline Bue

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #25 on: Jun 19, 2017, 02:51 AM »
You need to go back and re-read what Zinnia said about trust. Zinnia has colossal experience in this particular field, thanks to Hall Of Shame inductee, class of 2015 - Cookie

He did not mention anything about trust, perhaps you read inbetween the lines.

Maybe you just cannot wrap your head around the idea of starting a server in analog to starting a business?

Offline Kris

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #26 on: Jun 19, 2017, 03:03 AM »
He did not mention anything about trust, perhaps you read inbetween the lines.




If you trust that person and that person recognizes you as somebody who has knowledge in areas he doesn't, then you own it. (Including monetization plan / accounting)
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Offline Bue

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #27 on: Jun 19, 2017, 03:45 AM »



If you trust that person and that person recognizes you as somebody who has knowledge in areas he doesn't, then you own it. (Including monetization plan / accounting)

I stand corrected.

Though, this does not change the question. It is feasible for to Kanemi talk to someone (a consultant) to work out the specification of the server, contract a developer to implement the specification for deliverables (repositories), and perform the system administration duties to setup and manage the server himself.

The argument thus far is that black boxing the implementation is a risky idea since you have to contract that work out again such as sending a core dump the original contracted developer, but this does not exactly mean the enterprise would fail nor is it impossible to retain control since development and administration are two different jobs. FYI, mtil already mention this. And with Zinnia post, you can see how the work can be further delegated if you're the owner.

Maybe I am missing something from your perspective that I am not seeing?
« Last Edit: Jun 19, 2017, 03:58 AM by Bue »

Offline rakuzas

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #28 on: Jun 19, 2017, 03:59 AM »
I'm basically paying this guy to do everything related to coding. I know I will have to understand a tiny bit of the stuff he does already, just wondering to what extent I should go learning this stuff. I'm not too keen on learning to code, though. I want to be able to take control of all aspects of the server without going into learning any syntax at all, if that's possible.

Also, if it is possible, what should I learn, and how? The guy tried explaining it to me, but really superficially.

I'm not too good to.. But here is some of my advise btw..

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[b]I'm basically paying this guy to do everything related to coding.[/b]Do you really TRUST this guy? Did he your friend? Because too many scammer here.. Ask money 1st then disappear without trace.

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I know I will have to understand a tiny bit of the stuff he does already, just wondering to what extent I should go learning this stuff. I'm not too keen on learning to code, though.I think you better learn something and not depends on him too much.. At least if he sick or unavailable, you can do the job.

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I want to be able to take control of all aspects of the server without going into learning any syntax at all, if that's possible. It is possible.. But if that guy maybe your partner.. (You give funding and he do all the job)

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Also, if it is possible, what should I learn, and how? The guy tried explaining it to me, but really superficially.You may learn from the forum which your emulator is.. rAthena or Herc or etc.. You may start with learn how to reading scripts.. Its easy if the scripts are not God Like level or Pro (which always use array etc)..

As other said, maybe you're better joining other server rather than opening your own server if you dont have knowledge about opening the server unless you're rich enough to hired permanent scripter to do the job..

And good luck..  /no1

PS : Some of the "dead" server owner think they can rich by opening the server.. And usually the server runs less than 3 months and then closed due no donation and no money to paid the server rent..

Offline Kris

Re: Paying someone to code my server, feasible?
« Reply #29 on: Jun 19, 2017, 04:10 AM »

Though, this does not change the question. It is feasible for to Kanemi talk to someone (a consultant) to work out the specification of the server, contract a developer to implement the specification for deliverables (repositories), and perform the system administration duties to setup and manage the server himself.

The argument thus far is that black boxing the implementation is a risky idea since you have to contract that work out again such as sending a core dump the original contracted developer, but this does not exactly mean the enterprise would fail nor is it impossible to retain control since development and administration are two different jobs. FYI, mtil already mention this. And with Zinnia post, you can see how the work can be further delegated if you're the owner.

Maybe I am missing something from your perspective that I am not seeing?

After reading this post I've come to the conclusion that it's not you who is missing anything. It's me who's missing something. So whatever it is that you're smoking, pass that s*** here.
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