MVP Rule.. discuss discuss

[piperz]

New Rule" Do not attempt to kill-steal an MvP if you know you cannot kill it on your own"

Server info:
Max Base/Job Level: 99/70
Midrate

For example:
There was a party who is killing Wounded Morroc by portal Asura, then suddenly a lone Champ came it and started Asuraing to win the MVP against the party without griefing it by means of teleporting. When the MVP died, the lone Champ got the MVP and its drops. Then moment later, a GM talked to the Champ who "KS'd" the MVP from the party and then he took away the items and gave the items back to the party who lost to a single Champ because of the rule implied that "you are not allowed to kill the MVP if you can't kill it on your own."

what do you guys think of this rule?

[Erebus]

Rule is a rule, if you cant follow them, dont play. Most servers have a "Do you agree to terms and rules?" or something stated that not knowing the rules is no excuse. That player got what he deserved

[yC]

Yes, too bad that the rule isn't free for all.  I think free for all make more sense and much easier to deal with.  A party vs a lone champ and still let it go like this.  The party should take some responsibility too IF it's a free for all thing.

The rule is very unclear.  Who is to determine the part that says "if you know you cannot kill it on your own".  How would you know if you don't give it a try Not sure what the server has, but the champ might be able to kill it alone given enough time + warp + heal npc + buff npc?

[Immortal]

The mob was Satan Morroc and on the server this rule was TRIED a champ could not have done it alone.  The rule is no longer in effect, it was removed after the staff discussed it further.

Personally I like the "intent" but feel that it would have been nothing but a nightmare for the staff.

[Ryann]

Follow the rules, and you won't have a problem.

[Judgement]

Sort of did it on his own though.

[BigMac]

I think MVPs should always be FFA.  No point having an anti-kill stealing rule for MVPs.  If you can't do enough damage, then too bad.  Go make a champ~

[IbombYouAD]

all mvps are free for all on most servers so as long as there was no grief involed i dont see why the items should be taken away for a gg moment

[Dean Stark]

So you're telling me it's perfectly fine and fair if, say a party shaved Valk down to 1%, died, then a Champ came and took everything? Exaplin how so. I won't take any FFA BS for an answer.

[Strudel]

It's not the champs fault the party died on 1%, and the champ could basically have done it himself by coming back ea time he dies, or asura/flying. I've never heard or seen a report in official servers about players QQ'ing that their mvp was killed in front of them. I've heard them rage maybe yeah, and be angry they came to late but never reporting it, that also goes for normal monster kills where the kill stealing rule would apply in other servers (private of course) since I don't think any server has a @noks system or even any @commands.

Players nowadays are way to spoiled, seeing as what they'd get in official servers and what they get in private servers is a difference that's worlds apart. And still they cry about changes or MVP's being FFA.

[Triper]

Everything can be solo'd in a way or another, some more easy to do others not really but still, if admins make the rules free4all or/and need a party to compete vs another and the solo dood can kill the mvp and admins say that 1 person isn't a party then he is stupid for not saying that your party need to be of 2 or more players non-alts to compete.

A party is consisted of 1 or more players where 1 organize the party by the command /organize and invite others if wanted or invite his alts to get specific buffs so 1 player is enough to be a party and to win vs others.

[xyuki]

It's not the champs fault the party died on 1%, and the champ could basically have done it himself by coming back ea time he dies, or asura/flying. I've never heard or seen a report in official servers about players QQ'ing that their mvp was killed in front of them. I've heard them rage maybe yeah, and be angry they came to late but never reporting it, that also goes for normal monster kills where the kill stealing rule would apply in other servers (private of course) since I don't think any server has a @noks system or even any @commands.

Players nowadays are way to spoiled, seeing as what they'd get in official servers and what they get in private servers is a difference that's worlds apart. And still they cry about changes or MVP's being FFA.

^This

On almost every server I have played on the FFA rule applied. I have lost MvPs due to it (e.g. dying/...) and so have others. Sure it may be unfair if you have worked quite long for getting X MvP to 1% but "c'est la vie".
Also, it's somewhat the "fairest", too. If it were "first come, first serve" then all spawn campers have an advantage and the average player will QQ

[IbombYouAD]

most mvps on servers are free for all so anything goes as long as no grief is involved if they died at like 1% then their loss

[Yukino]

Maybe if the players who attacked first took a screenshot to show the progress until the "champ"/another random player goes for the last kill, it would make things easier for the staff. HOWEVER, it seems impractical to screenshot every MvP you kill.

It's not like I support the idea that the last killer deserves the prize, but there are just too many complications to decide who deserves what in the end (can't really divide the prize (probably the card) equally, etc). Sadly, nobody kills for the thrill anymore D:. There may be too many problems for the staff, so I still guess the rule shouldn't be included. It's just a matter of sportsmanship and player integrity.

But yes, the rule mentioned in the first post should be re-worded if the staff really wants to have that concept in.