Main GM quits RagnarokRevolution.

[Kisuka]

now what? 

well.. for the time beginning, i guess i'll just focus on eAthena and my other site project.


and no, i don't expect anyone to ask for me to be a GM again. At least not at this moment. I simply wanted to let those I know who use RMS that I have no way of contacting, know that I quit. Also wanted to see if any other server has had this issue (long term admin quitting due to players).

[Skotlex]

Five years of work that ultimately amount to nothing. Sorry guy.

This is false. This is the same train of though that sometimes people use when they break up. "You just wasted five years of your life with your ex!" People forget that the journey is often, in itself, more important than the goal.

This situation can and has happened in other servers as well, because the owners and GM team can't really have a control on the population and how it shifts, comes and goes. If eventually your server was overrun by foreign speaking people, and you feel like a foreigner, unable to even be part of the community, then perhaps what was best is to hand down that project to someone who cares and can feel part of the whole.

There's something to say about a project that outlives the original owners and maintainers. Isn't this the same we expect of children in all families? Isn't this how it should be for all great businesses?

Of course, we don't really expect that out of the RO server community which has in average a lifespan that doesn't even reaches puberty.

PS: If you liked your server, all you can really do is again start from scratch, let others take the previous server, and start your own version, change name, look for new people. Once the population has gone "wrong", as you've implied, there's no saving it.

[SilverStream~]

I'd like to say, that gm's and server owners can have a huge amount of control on the server community.

[Hutchy]

To clarify, I'm of the camp that thinks spending years upon years devoted to a game from which you get very little back but headaches and frustration might have been one "journey" not worth embarking on. Think of everything else you could have accomplished if your focus has been elsewhere, you know?

Good luck in whatever you do next, dearie.

ETA: As for quitting due to players, isn't that why the admins usually quit? The stress of it all, I mean. The only other reason I've seen given was financial instability or something. You're not alone in this by a long shot, feel better. :3

[LiteX]

I'd like to say, that gm's and server owners can have a huge amount of control on the server community.

If the server isn't ignorant-filled, otherwise, corruption would fly around like flies in a cheese slice

[SilverStream~]

I'd like to say, that gm's and server owners can have a huge amount of control on the server community.

If the server isn't ignorant-filled, otherwise, corruption would fly around like flies in a cheese slice

True.  Reminds me of the community tRo has.  Not good...  Need more players to change their image.


But a perfect example is destinaRO actually.  They "controll" their community, no bad a****** are allowed to be a****** there.

[Ayu]

I'd like to say, that gm's and server owners can have a huge amount of control on the server community.

If the server isn't ignorant-filled, otherwise, corruption would fly around like flies in a cheese slice

I think GMs do have influences over what type of people they attract. Most of the time, the server admin's personality and their work on the server shows what type of players join the server. Sometimes being eventful and keeping up the updates, the community likes you and sides along with you. They will follow the rules better and act more responsible if you give them the right push. If there's pricks trying to cause trouble, and if you got the community on your side, the player base will do the mod work for you and expel these idiots from sight.

[SilverStream~]

Not if the majority of the players are the pricks.

If the majority are the pricks, then it's insanely hard to change the community.  Even if you have a few "good" people, those pricks will gather up in a bunch and go against those few.

It's like being in highschool, being bullied.  If the people in charge don't do anything, it just continues and gets worse.

[Scars]

I'd like to say, that gm's and server owners can have a huge amount of control on the server community.

If the server isn't ignorant-filled, otherwise, corruption would fly around like flies in a cheese slice

I think GMs do have influences over what type of people they attract. Most of the time, the server admin's personality and their work on the server shows what type of players join the server. Sometimes being eventful and keeping up the updates, the community likes you and sides along with you. They will follow the rules better and act more responsible if you give them the right push. If there's pricks trying to cause trouble, and if you got the community on your side, the player base will do the mod work for you and expel these idiots from sight.

I don't think its the type of people they attract but how they influenced the people, like for me I don't get along with trashes so they either change or get banned.

Interesting topic by the way.

Yes some people can get really annoying but if it was me I wouldn't let them F with me and make that really clear for them.



Let me point out few scenarios,


A player say: ei GM, can you help me? or they ask me a in-game question like where can you find something or the effect of something.
Me: No sorry I am busy. or "I don't know".
Him: "awts what a GM" or "GM like this?"

Ussually I say "You got something to say? or "you got a problem?" and if they say no I'll leave it at that, but usually they continue, either they repetitively makes faces or "You're a GM you should be nice" "You're a GM you should do their job" or just keep repeating whatever they've said.

So I'd tell them "I am not a GM I am admin and damn well I know my job. But be sure that I am not here trying to please everyone and trying to make everyone happy or playing mother Theresa. Now STFU or leave, and don't make faces either".

If it goes on I'll ban them, and if they complaints in my forum or any forum I'd simply tell it how it is.

Another scenario is when I hire GMs who are females I get people asking,

"Why you only hire females?" -Even though fact is we always had male GMs.
"Why is all/most of the GMs females?" -Even though its equal number or like 4 female 3 male.

That's what they asked me, imagine what they say behind my back.

Before I've tried to explain, yes its true I like to hire female GMs more because I feel/believe that females tends to do better job in GMing and they generally has more patience. I was a fool to expect them to understand.

Now I just tell them what they want to hear, "Cause I am straight Bish".

That shuts them up.

This happens when BurnRO just started, a player who can't speak English told one of my GM and she translated to me along the line of:

"A player said he plays from an internet cafe with his friends and he wants an item or they will quit the server and the player will drop to 20 average"

I said to my GM, "Say this very clearly to him, I rather have a server with 20 people average, or no server at all, then a 10 000+ player server full of trashes".

Then he said, "just kidding gm"

But that's not my point, I do care about my players and I do try to keep everything professional, and I do try to be and I am nice and I get along with most people. Just one thing, don't F with me if you wish to play in my server.


That should apply to all admins, after all is their server.

So if I were you Kisuka, instead of resigning myself, I'd rather ban some/most of the players that pissing me off then resigning myself unless of course its your own wish to resign but you did said "quitting what they love" means you loved your job.

Though if this was caused because you did a bad mistake then that's a completely different story, but then again you said "I never corrupt" I assume you've always stick to the rules and remain professional.

Well what I am trying to say is yes I feel you bro, but to me you're weak for letting them get to you or beat you in a way, after all its your server. But that's just me. Whatever you'll decide or you've decided, all the best.

Cheers.




P.S On side note, rumors are just rumors, words can say anything base on nothing and only fools would judge you or act based on rumors.

If you're the type that love to say "there's no smoke without fire" maybe that's true to certain extent, but fire can be anything, hell if my character was sitting next to a girl there could be a rumors I am hitting or is having an affair on that girl, even though she's the one who sat next to me. That's admin life.
 

[SilverStream~]

Several gm's/admins I know of should read this topic, and try to understand how to treat their players so that the community comes off as nice.

[Skotlex]

Though it isn't always easy to moderate people. You can't easily lay down rules to determine what is harassing behaviour, or what exactly it is to be obnoxious.

When the rules are pretty clear and concise, you will always get people who love bordering them, and despite them being "not nice", they still play by every rule in the book. Unless you use a generic broad rule like "be nice to others," which is hard as hell to measure. So when you start banning and the like people who have not explicitly broken the rules, but you did it anyway because you could sense they are trouble, people will then spread the rumours of you being some kind of vigilante authority enforcing your own personal set of rules that aren't written anywhere ._.

[SilverStream~]

A general rule is to be nice to everyone.  That is just.. normal.


Another rule is that as long as you do not offened other people, by spamming, offensive language, anything that offends the opposing person/people, then it's okay to do as you wish to.

Abuse of it would be limited to the troublemakers. If someone says "Hi Jose" to someone, and Jose then reports that person for it, just because "I didn't like it", and you know it's to cause trouble, then you can, if you haven't alredy done it, put up the rule saying "Do not attempt to abuse the rules", and there you have it.




People should be allowed to have fun, that is what gaming is about, but letting members of your server go out and harass another member with the intent of provoking/annoying/making fun of then that should not be accepted.

Many can be mature, yes, but you also have those who think they rule in everything, and must correct everything other people do, and then team up with friends to support their claims/reasons/ideas/meanings, and that is not being mature.



One of the most important rules in a game are the Player Relations rules.  You cannot have a server or forum without them.  A few neglect it, or simply forget it, but it is what makes the community good.

Imagine if every server was filled with people like Zeel, or that most of the people who have played on a server are rude etc.  It's not a nice thing to have for your server.  And if the Gm doesn't care, phew then it's bound to go downwards.

[Hutchy]

Wouldn't it be fairly hard to enforce a "be nice to everyone" rule, unless people are watching every mode of communication 90% of the time? It's a great rule in theory, but I've never seen anyone able to properly enforce it.

[LiteX]

Wouldn't it be fairly hard to enforce a "be nice to everyone" rule, unless people are watching every mode of communication 90% of the time? It's a great rule in theory, but I've never seen anyone able to properly enforce it.

Wouldn't that be enough to grant you a "Niceness Nazi" award?

[Scars]

You don't have to be nice.

Its impossible to enforce "you have to be nice rule" to me that's fairyland/retarded.

Liking/disliking or hating some one can't be forced.

Respect can't be forced, must be earnt.

Is part of human nature, for me, hate whoever you want to hate, I have absolutely no problem if anyone dislike or hate me as long as they stick to the rules and don't start s***.

Though I believe majority of the people are nice or can be nice, and everyone will be judged naturally.