RMS Home | Guide Writing | Test Server | New Servers | Latest Reviews

Author Topic: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!  (Read 2604 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« on: Apr 06, 2008, 03:46 am »
You may remember my rant about how to make a private server appealing to players which was, in fact, my first post here. But you probably don't. So you really don't know what you're getting into now, 'cause here goes another one!
There's as much private servers as ever, and just like always most of them suck majorly. One of the many reasons are some of the customs - people just don't seem to realize how many of them affect the game. So here's a list of customs with descriptions and my Professional Advice on whether to implement them or not. Yes, the list is purely subjective and yes, you really are wasting your time reading it. Also note that this concerns low rates only, high rates have much bigger problems than this anyway. So without further ado, in official RMS order:

Healer
Level: Low
Description: A dude who stands in the cities and heals you for free or for zeny or for clicking five times on worthless dialogue. Just think about Asura monks zapping in and out between MVPs and these SP tanks. Also makes death a little better, you just pump up and go at it again. But all in all his effect on the game is rather minimal, though this raises a question why have him in the first place then?

Skill/Stat Resetter
Level: Medium
Description: I am told these are for people who experience sudden seizures when putting in stat/skill points which causes them to spread them all over their characters randomly in blind fury. I'm not buying that at all though, and I still say they're a tool to use leveling-efficient build to get to 99 and then to switch to PvP/WoE killing machine build(or a pure forger/brewer). So that's pretty much totally lame thing to do as many PvP/WoE builds are hard to level up because they're PvP/WoE and that's how it should be dammit.

Job Changer
Level: Low
Description: You talk to this guy and he voodoos you into another class. No need to wander around dangerous(at that level) maps to gather items for quests and stuff. Purely class-dependant. Most first jobs have it short and easy, most second jobs have it long and hard, Ninjas have it pretty much impossible. But seriously, are you really in such a hurry?

Platinum Skill NPC
Level: Medium
Description: A man-fairy waves his wan...d around you and paf, you have all quest skills for your job. Same as Job Changer really, gets slightly higher rating as the quest skills are usually harder to do and can be quite powerful(Moving HP rec, Sonic Acc, etc.).

Town Warper:
Level: Low
Desciption: A blue chick with a book stands and warps you to other cities for free. Probably an example of ultimate laziness, Kafra does same f*** thing and it's already in the game. And you get Kafra points. Money? It's like 500-1000z, it's not an issue at official rates, much less on yours.

Dungeon Warper:
Level: Medium
Description: A blue chick with a book stands and warps you to dungeons. It's half as bad if she warps you to the entrance, but there are some who shamelessly warp you to various levels too - these get High rating. Ugh, where do I start? Death is already a joke at private servers due to higher rates, but at least the fact that you need to walk all the way back to your leveling spot makes it somewhat unpleasant. This and Healer means you can just forget about pots alltogether and go crazy. It also opens up some stupid power-leveling techniques like Archers going to Thor and killing Kasas dying 15 times in the process, and it makes many items easier to get, etc. etc. It's a bad custom and you should feel bad.

MVP Arena
Level: Zero
Description: You can do it two ways, either you don't have it and dumb people will spawn MVPs in well thought-out places like Prontera S and W or on top of others creating massive amounts of grief or you have an MVP arena and all other maps are flagged for no DB/BB. If you do make an MVP arena though, make a goddamn proper MVP arena and not just de-flag Izlude FFS.

That's all customs RMS lists. But there's more:

Dual Clienting
Level: Don't ever do it
Description: Allows people to run two clients on your server. Absolutely s*** custom, means everyone runs around with a pet slave high priest(and occassionally SL) buffed through the roof. Makes leveling ten times as easy, makes Priests a worthless class, makes parties a joke, and is generally an example of total asshattery.

Card Remover
Level: High
Description: Removes cards from carded items, usually for zeny. If you have one, cards will quickly accumulate on your server, lose all value, and your economy will go down with a whimper. Your choice.

Alchemist Item Seller
Level: Medium
Descriprion: Shop with all the items Alchemists need to make their killer potions. Make one and Alchemist population will increase by 847%.

Actually...

n Item Seller
Level: Medium
Description: Shop with all the items n need to make their killer x. Make one and n population will increase by 847%.

Rates
Level: Varies
Description: lol wut, rates are a custom now? They are. Everyone knows RO has 1/1/1 rates, but not everyone realizes that RO has 1:1:1 rates. What do I mean? Your 5/5/3 is a pretty big custom which means players will have higher level, but they'll be twice as poor as they should be*. This can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your life philosophy, but seriously, next time you change drops just so one MVP won't have something at 100%, punch yourself in the face.

Stylist(and five billion palettes)
Level: Zero
Description: The original RO dye quest is a joke and everyone looking the same is dumb. So get a Stylist. Dyestuffs are still needed in some of hat making quests so this doesn't really break anything.

Multi Level-Up
Level: Low
Description: Allows you to gain several levels at once. Remember my comment about Archers, Kasas and power-leveling? This is a big part of what makes it possible. So you can just disable it. If anyone complains, call him/her a whiner because seriously, having to kill two more monsters and complaining about it is just whining.

Kafra Shop
Level: Medium
Desctiption: Whether you simply sell them for money like RO does(Raise the level to High then, and jump from a high building into a fire next) or give them away for "Event points" or whatever, the fact is almost all of these items are ridiculously broken. So either skip them all alltogether like most pservers do, or if you really really want them include them as castle/high level MVP drops for everyone to get.

Alternate Headgear
Level: Low
Description: Headger which looks differently than it actually is, some servers include it as an aesthetic/donation thing. Problem is, headgear is the only part of enemy equipment you can see and so I reckon it matters a bit in PvP/WoE. Example? If I see a Valk helm, I'm can be pretty sure it's a set and that I shouldn't bother divesting. Now if that Valk helm looks like a Blue Ribbon, I can go OMGWTFBBQ, It's not that big of a deal though.


* - It's actually much more complicated than this as the max is always 100% so they don't scale well linearily but whatever.

RateMyServer Ragnarok Community

Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« on: Apr 06, 2008, 03:46 am »

Offline Zinron

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #1 on: Apr 06, 2008, 06:36 am »
inb4everyone So I gotta ask. What made you take all of that precious time of your life to write all of that?

Dual Client and Kafra shop items (most of them anyways) can die a fiery death with marshmellows.

Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #2 on: Apr 06, 2008, 11:49 am »
inb4everyone So I gotta ask. What made you take all of that precious time of your life to write all of that?

I once read all of Avalon High.

Boredom is power.

Offline bulbasteve

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #3 on: Apr 07, 2008, 02:32 am »
Hey wait a minute, wasn't your first post asking for a "conservative server" :p

And really, that is a bit more revealing. This isn't about things that are unique to low rates, but instead about servers that want to be as close to kro as possible (which should not be the definition of low rate). Your view of "customs" are simply things you add to the game, instead of you know things that you can say subtract or change in the game

You can mention multiclienting but then aren't you being remiss not talk about stopping leeching in general... sitting in a corner to leech are just as bad, but uuuh I guess I agree with you on one thing :)

Offline yC

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #4 on: Apr 07, 2008, 03:32 am »
if this is concerned of low-rate only then maybe you can advise me or other mod to move it to the low-rate board.

btw, having you might want to use a more descriptive title lol.

one day i might take ur topic and put it in a blog post, when i have the time to make that other blog/review site i have in mind xD.

Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #5 on: Apr 07, 2008, 05:07 am »
And really, that is a bit more revealing. This isn't about things that are unique to low rates, but instead about servers that want to be as close to kro as possible

It's true that I don't like customs in general, but the point I wanted to make was that customs have far-reaching implications many people just don't seem to realize. If you want to do customs on your server - that's by all means your right, just think about how it affects the game.

Offline bulbasteve

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #6 on: Apr 07, 2008, 06:15 am »
Can you really call any MMO a game? MMOs are subscription based, everything is set up to keep players playing the game every month. Rates are not the only thing that frusterate the average player, nearly all of these are simply (frankly very small) ways that a server can help ease the pain that Gravity wants you to have. Cause yeeesh on a casual server like the one I'm playing on uncarding is just your average everyday thing, I can't even imagine how you would react to half the stuff the casual low rates pull!

Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #7 on: Apr 07, 2008, 07:50 am »
MMOs are subscription based, everything is set up to keep players playing the game every month.

Not really. If the game wasn't fun no one would play(and pay) it in the first place. So you can't say everything Gravity does is bad. The main moneymaking techniques are low rates and Kafra Shop, and both are nonexistant in most pservers.
And many of the customs actually come from simple laziness. Why wait 30 seconds to recover my HP when I can have a doctor? Why do a job quest if I can have a job changer? etc.

Offline Pandora

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #8 on: Apr 07, 2008, 10:02 am »
I enjoyed reading it, and cuz I'm bored I'll throw in my 2 cents ^_^

Healer: Inns are official and they heal too, just a short walk away.

Resetter: if it's really for seizure people or for noobs who royally mess up their build, put a limit to the number of time a character can reset. Like, 3 times max + when you reborn that's a 4th one sorta. That way you can't switch from PVM to PVP every god dam Woe. I understand you think a brewer/forger build should be earned but seriously, who wants to level to 99 killing poporing with dex/luk >_>; what people will end up doing is leech, so in the end, how is that any more valiant than resetting?

Dual Clienting, card remover, item seller: fully agree with ya there.
heRO is a great friendly, sociable yet WoE active, unique and fun server of 5/5/3 rates with 400+ players, give it a try!



Click here to find out more about heRO!

Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #9 on: Apr 07, 2008, 01:07 pm »
I understand you think a brewer/forger build should be earned but seriously, who wants to level to 99 killing poporing with dex/luk >_>; what people will end up doing is leech, so in the end, how is that any more valiant than resetting?

You need someone to leech from.

Offline Pandora

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #10 on: Apr 07, 2008, 01:38 pm »
I abhor leechers, to each their own I guess XD
heRO is a great friendly, sociable yet WoE active, unique and fun server of 5/5/3 rates with 400+ players, give it a try!



Click here to find out more about heRO!

Offline dook

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #11 on: Apr 08, 2008, 01:18 am »
lol all the time i played iro i wished there was a resetter :P some people like customs some dont :D its a good thing to read before rushing into a server with all npcs though :)

Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #12 on: Apr 08, 2008, 04:30 am »
I abhor leechers, to each their own I guess XD

Wait, since I never leeched, isn't there some kind of level cap for parties? Like, you don't get any XP if there's more than 10 levels of difference between you and the leeching dude, or you and the mob?

Offline Pandora

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #13 on: Apr 08, 2008, 08:06 am »
Yes, its 10 levels, all party members must be within the 10 level range to be able to set the share on.

On my server, I got it set so that after 5 minutes of inactivity a member stops getting the exp from the share (but the party is still in share and other members still receive exp if they are active).

I'd rather see a blacksmith level with a battle build and pay 1m and items to reset at 99 to forger, rather than see him sitting in the stairs at bio leeching, but I understand why you don't like reseter, like I said to each their own. Some servers will advertise that they have a resetter, other servers that they don't and each will cater to different players ^_^
heRO is a great friendly, sociable yet WoE active, unique and fun server of 5/5/3 rates with 400+ players, give it a try!



Click here to find out more about heRO!

Offline Anti-Static Foam Cleaner

Re: Like a bad case of herpes, he's back!
« Reply #14 on: Apr 08, 2008, 12:19 pm »
Then how can leeching be as effective if you have to reach the leecher's level? Not to mention the even share cuts the XP by two.
This sounds like so much trouble - you need a sucker to leech you who will kill mobs while you do nothing and it takes twice as long at that - that I can't imagine why people would do it unless they didn't have a choice(i.e. they have extremely non-PVM build).

5 minute inactivity is a nice solution though, if it worked as a general rule(i.e. not only in the party) it would also stop AFKing Alchemists.