I remember back in my good RO days, private servers running off from real donations (not cash shop disguised as donations) and ads, struggling for survive. Best servers ever.
But from some years ago, people are just opening servers just for the profit. They don't even care about offering something unique, almost every server is equal: woe servers, non renewal servers and even those focused on a real "classic" 2-2 experience are just copy pasted, just seeking money, managing it like they were Gravity itself, treating you like a customer instead of a user who is enjoining the time in the server - which is a problem too, as this kind of servers produce the most toxic and condescending community; those who think they have the right to criticize everything and demanding anything they want because otherwise, they'll go to one of the other copies. Eventually admins accept those term and in the mid-run, the server gets boring, people no longer "donate", and the admin closes the server to open another one and earn more.
As a Spanish player (from Spain), I've seen this in both, the spanish and the international community. I remember back then famous spanish servers like SaltitosRO, AnaedasRO, etc. And even a bit more recently but still old, international servers like Eternity RO (they had pay-for-donations, but at least I felt there was passion in the project, I might be wrong).
But now, it's just kiddos running an internet business. Trying to gather users like they were selling shampoo. It's a bit sad.
Sorry for my English.
hmm I don't really feel that way. I think maybe half of them are for money. They just get more attention because they know what they're doing and how to get players. It's not that hard to avoid those.
There are servers that come up from time to time that are not-for-profit and have a heart/passion in the project. The problem is sometimes the owner got busy or other situation cause the server to close. There are people that start out a project and have put a lot of effort into it, not for money however after a while they feel that managing a server is too much work for them so they decide to step down. Good server have as many reasons to close as bad servers (such as competition driving players away / undeserving players + toxic community / missed the target group result in not many players = discouraged etc).
If you ask me, from the look of it I feel heRO has been around for so long (10 years?) so the owner must have a passion to keep the project going for so long. Nova RO has been gaining a lot of attention this year for having updates close to kRO which is ahead of most of the emulation projects. This shows me they put in the effort to be unique and spend time into research + development. There are also a few servers in different languages that I have seen around for many years (Russian and Thai servers at least but I can't remember names).
If you want to place your bet on new servers, you can tell their effort starting with how much time they put into their website. Anything more than a template website with default/broken links (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/plebro-ro-online-net-cancer-among-the-community/) is considered good these days though.
You can also try the official iRO server, it's slower but it is free to play and definitely not run by kiddos.
Quote from: yC on Sep 15, 2016, 02:41 PM
With real life(TM) issues and a job, I have no longer time for playing since some years. I have look up some servers time to time, but not appealing and, of course, focused on money.
IRO (Ragnarok online itself) is crap to me, the game nowadays feels like a cheap private server.
If I had time and I didn't mind managing users, I would have created my own server long time ago. I had a project in mind, but not the patience of an admin, nor the social/marketing skills to make it full of people (if I can't enjoy the game with a lot of people, it's no use).
I'll wait for the right guy who can make my dream come true, even if he needs my development skills for free (former Hercules code contributor).
If you are familiar with rA and want to check us out (I believe even one of my newest addition to the team thinks the project would be a great success with all the ideas we have pooled and the ideas are slowly being implemented into the project).
While others may think their project is so good that it's on another level, we do maintain to be sublime with our achievements and what we tend to do with our project. We are doing this for enjoyment and not to boast to others.
If you are interested, please drop on here to view the project. Click me~ (https://www.midgard-community.com/forums/topic/910-midi-city-project-ro-music-and-anime-into-one/)
If you wish to know more, please send me a PM and I'll gladly explain to you what we have in mind(me and my team)
The only server I know that's not a pure business machine is TotalRO. That's just because I know the two admins well and I can tell that they want to do things differently, they invested a lot of hard work in it. I'd give it a try.
whatever you do dont play iRO. absolute mud of a server and it's what the damn game's supposed to be.
don't be fooled by some of those bigger servers, too. some of them found their lovely formula, snuggled into it and became milk machines.
But what if you have a passion for both ragnarok and profit?
That new surround sound system or attic insulation replacement ain't going to be cheap.
Quote from: Bue on Sep 15, 2016, 09:27 PM
But what if you have a passion for both ragnarok and profit?
That new surround sound system or attic insulation replacement ain't going to be cheap.
Well first you hire Cookie.
Then you need to somehow dupe him into thinking he'll have access to the paypal.
Motivation leveled up!
++profit$$$
The only truly passionate server I know: http://originsro.org/ (http://originsro.org/)
There are no donations for items, only real donations... best server ever, they have even been up for 3+ years.
Quote from: Cyan Hijirikawa on Sep 15, 2016, 04:32 PM
So you are basically creating a server for changing the already anime-like sprites to other anime sprites and make the game play a lot of songs and sounds from anime?
I don't find it really interesting tbh...
Quote from: Suspension on Sep 16, 2016, 10:11 AM
Nope, the main focus of the server is pretty much to add "universes" per se, to extend the contents of the game using anime inspired content is what we aim. For instance, our custom classes could derive from anime universes such as SAO, Chrono Crusade and whatnot. Which is why I'd invited you over to check out what have done so far and what we plan on doing.
Quote from: Suspension on Sep 15, 2016, 01:30 PM
And even a bit more recently but still old, international servers like Eternity RO (they had pay-for-donations, but at least I felt there was passion in the project, I might be wrong).
Eternity was always run with the profit mindset. Karei ran it like a business and had no real interest in the game itself. He was in it for the money and he certainly put out a lot of gold-plated sh*t to make it seem otherwise. There were a few members of the team who truly cared about the server and its players, but Karei himself was never one of them. For all my many faults, I was in it for the players ( v3 ). Those donations were put in by Karei without consulting anyone else, and he set the prices - but the server was not in any danger of being underfunded by the existing donations. There was always an excess in donations after the server costs were paid, and all that excess went into Karei's bank account. Sorry to burst the bubble, but that's the truth of Eternity since v1.
I feel like there's more consideration for the players on TalonRO, and the focus is on keeping the players happy without demanding their money to do so. I know Boreas and Seiren ( and the rest of the team ) have put in a lot of work and time into doing their best for the server.
Quote from: Sachimi on Sep 18, 2016, 02:45 AM
I feel like there's more consideration for the players on TalonRO, and the focus is on keeping the players happy without demanding their money to do so. I know Boreas and Seiren ( and the rest of the team ) have put in a lot of work and time into doing their best for the server.
That's kind of hard to believe considering the amount of donations. I'm not saying they weren't passionate when they built up their server, but now that it's such a money-making machine, they probably treat it as such. No idea how you got a caring impression about Boreas in particular.
Quote from: Sachimi on Sep 18, 2016, 02:45 AM
Eternity was always run with the profit mindset. Karei ran it like a business and had no real interest in the game itself. He was in it for the money and he certainly put out a lot of gold-plated sh*t to make it seem otherwise. There were a few members of the team who truly cared about the server and its players, but Karei himself was never one of them. For all my many faults, I was in it for the players ( v3 ). Those donations were put in by Karei without consulting anyone else, and he set the prices - but the server was not in any danger of being underfunded by the existing donations. There was always an excess in donations after the server costs were paid, and all that excess went into Karei's bank account. Sorry to burst the bubble, but that's the truth of Eternity since v1.
I feel like there's more consideration for the players on TalonRO, and the focus is on keeping the players happy without demanding their money to do so. I know Boreas and Seiren ( and the rest of the team ) have put in a lot of work and time into doing their best for the server.
What OP donations were there at Eternity v2? I cant remember a single one. It looks like bitter talk about Karei for stealing big part of English speaking RO community.
Considering the fact that Elaria is one of the only servers atm that has ONLY aesthetic donations, the answer is pretty clear. They literally have nothing on the donation list that you can benefit from apart from paying a premium for extra hair styles, cloth colours, etc.
Yeah I guess any server that doesn't have "advantage items" in the cash shop and has an active staff that brings frequent updates could be what you are looking for.
I used to have a server with those items in the cash shop, but I realized that you don't have to put them in there.
Elaria Woon Reloaded just put the items that are "usually" in the cash shop into BG and normal Quests/Events/Missions.
There are plenty of reasons why being passionate about your server can backfire. Admins that are passionate create the server in the image they feel their "ideal" server would be. The more passionate, the more rigid you become. It comes down to compromising your ideas or not having any players at all. Very rarely does a server get to do everything their own way while also maintaining high population. If you don't have a high enough population, you just lose money to keep your server. It's all for, let's be honest, a bunch of ungrateful players, myself included, that will leave when it suits them. The community is pretty spoiled. I've always thought the only good admins left are masochistic.
Running a server now a days is no where near as fun or rewarding as it used to be, that's why you just have vultures now that just try for nostalgia to make a quick buck with half assed servers. It's sad.
I don't really understand the idea that the two things are mutually exclusive, if I opened a cake shop because I love baking should I give everything away and refuse to accept money?
I get that there are definitely servers out there that exist purely because someone thinks they can make easy money, but I'm sure there are also servers were the admins have a passion for creating a great server and community, but would also like to profit from their efforts and passion. Perhaps it's just because I myself quite like not being poor, but I don't think profits being involved immediately removes any love or passion from the project.
And yes, I think you can have items other than costumes etc in your cash shop, WITHOUT immediately becoming some kind of money hungry Donald Trump clone, just make sure they're accessible for even those who can't donate so that everyone can catch up in the end.
Quote from: Cressy on Oct 12, 2016, 06:49 PM
I don't really understand the idea that the two things are mutually exclusive
It's quite clear that I didn't mean that. When I say "for profit" means exclusively for profit and not because you love what you are doing even if you don't earn anything.
Quote from: Mrew2 on Oct 12, 2016, 05:00 PM
There are plenty of reasons why being passionate about your server can backfire. Admins that are passionate create the server in the image they feel their "ideal" server would be. The more passionate, the more rigid you become.
True, but on the other hand the community is that way too, that's why people quit servers and join others quickly. Anyway, a wise admin has to look for balance.
Elaria/Woons donations are aesthetic yes, however they have no issues about allowing better warp locations for donation. (you mean a donation that gives an advantage that ISN'T a hat? Sooo intuitive..) It's all obtainable in game via zeny but that is what every server essentially does. Obviously there are variations in different servers, I'm sure it's what lead to this person to make this topic to begin with.
Just because donations aren't hats doesn't mean they don't provide an advantage.
OriginsRO has no donations or cash shop items and the GMs are really nice and helpful as far as I've seen and they are working on having GM events.Although it does cost money to host a server so I understand them having a donation option but not when they are selling MvP cards or gear that gives a huge edge over all the other gear you can find in game like Kaho horns with +20 into a few stats and some other stuff.
imo originsro is a highly underated server.Its proper in the sense that its stable(3+ years now with 100+ people usually,some servers out there *cough talonro jade out the lines of true population.Its also really hard to believe Boreas is a caring guy towards his player base,got some hands on experience myself to back up my words on that BUUT thats a topic for a diffrent day mr troll Sachimi,also literally no means of pay 2win,and the people you meet there are quite nice
Quote from: Bottles on Oct 14, 2016, 07:59 PM
Elaria/Woons donations are aesthetic yes, however they have no issues about allowing better warp locations for donation. (you mean a donation that gives an advantage that ISN'T a hat? Sooo intuitive..) It's all obtainable in game via zeny but that is what every server essentially does. Obviously there are variations in different servers, I'm sure it's what lead to this person to make this topic to begin with.
Just because donations aren't hats doesn't mean they don't provide an advantage.
Just to make it clear, because I feel that it's rather confusing :
Elaria Woon Reloaded does *NOT* offer "better warp locations for donation" that is not true. You can get "VIP" which is an
ONLY ZENY BASED membership that grants you more access to field/dungeon warps (still no mvp or adjacted mvp maps included).
Thanks~
Quote from: ElariaRO on Oct 16, 2016, 11:55 PM
Just to make it clear, because I feel that it's rather confusing : Elaria Woon Reloaded does *NOT* offer "better warp locations for donation" that is not true. You can get "VIP" which is an ONLY ZENY BASED membership that grants you more access to field/dungeon warps (still no mvp or adjacted mvp maps included).
Thanks~
If you can only warp to level one of payon dungeon without the VIP and be able to warp to level 4 with the VIP, I'd consider that an advantage. Also, that is nothing different than what I had already mentioned via zeny grinding for the membership as well.
Quote from: Bottles on Oct 14, 2016, 07:59 PM
Elaria/Woons donations are aesthetic yes, however they have no issues about allowing better warp locations for donation. (you mean a donation that gives an advantage that ISN'T a hat? Sooo intuitive..) It's all obtainable in game via zeny but that is what every server essentially does. Obviously there are variations in different servers, I'm sure it's what lead to this person to make this topic to begin with.
Just because donations aren't hats doesn't mean they don't provide an advantage.
Quote from: Bottles on Oct 18, 2016, 10:02 AM
If you can only warp to level one of payon dungeon without the VIP and be able to warp to level 4 with the VIP, I'd consider that an advantage. Also, that is nothing different than what I had already mentioned via zeny grinding for the membership as well.
You lack the ability to understand simple English fam. Access to upper levels of dungeons are unlocked via the VIP system which you can get via zeny. You can't donate on Elaria to get zeny, you need to level up and then go farming to get zeny.
Believe it or not, there are server out there that are made with passion..
Quote from: zelivia on Nov 12, 2016, 09:49 AM
Believe it or not, there are server out there that are made with passion..
You are absolutely correct, zelivia. The server I have created is indeed created purely out of my dream to want to see the world become a better place. My one desire to see the game return to life in its full glory and stop all the senseless corruption and injustice I've seen was my driving force. I know that deep in the hearts of every person is hope for the future and a quest to find something greater. For that reason, I was willing to work in solitude for years just to bring this dream to life. I stopped trying to fight my own heart a long time ago, I do not let fear control me. That is the true spirit of having passion for what you do.
I am no longer afraid to say things for what they really are, and all of you share and are a part of my dream, too. If you search your hearts, you will know it to be true. We will turn this game into something amazing, together.
That's probably why all those non-profit servers from back in the day are shut down or have like no population while the ones that do profit are the few that are still standing strong. Not saying that I agree or disagree with profit servers just simply stating what I see.
Quote from: apochi on Sep 16, 2016, 09:23 AM
The only truly passionate server I know: http://originsro.org/ (http://originsro.org/)
There are no donations for items, only real donations... best server ever, they have even been up for 3+ years.
I've heard nothing but good things about Origins RO... I considered playing on there, but I'm not a fan of no resets and I think they eventually plan to become a renewal server? I'm not sure on that part though.
Quote from: apochi on Sep 16, 2016, 09:23 AM
The only truly passionate server I know: http://originsro.org/ (http://originsro.org/)
There are no donations for items, only real donations... best server ever, they have even been up for 3+ years.
I second that. No donation, very stable, good community, responsive GM team. The master account/master Kafra system is also very convenient.
I have just returned there, player count has increased, WoE reopened, and the market is working.
This one is definitely managed with passion.
Just throwing this in, my project has been underway for quite some time now and we've added features that are not seen on any other servers out there, which is what I and my team are proud of, of course this is also because of the awesome team i've managed to assemble
more info here (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/a-little-project-of-mine-midicity/msg187566/#new)
I believe someone said on a previous post, im not sure if its this one or the other one but these two threads are almost identical to be honest, that my project only involves adding some songs into RO and that's it, well, now I beg to differ. You shot us down even before you gave us a chance, well now, you can see that we are actually making progress.
We've received donations from players, staff and contributors just to further the project, and yes, all donations have been made to the betterment of the project, new systems are being developed, new npcs, features are also being added. What more, the anime-inspired theme is coming to life because of our latest additions of npcs such as Cyan Hijirikawa and Gray Fullbuster and more are coming!
Take note that the players who donated didn't really receive anything aside from their requested NPCs being made. So basically, donations are 100% spent on new npcs, new systems and whatnot. Now, you'll ask later on what will players get if they donated on the official release, well, they can get costumes and some consumables and that's it. They can also request for an NPC they would like to be made, a map perhaps for their guild and whatnot.
We are not divulging all our features here to keep it safe, if you want to know more, joining our Discord is the best way to know what we have in plan and what we have to offer. WE ARE NOT RECRUITING PLAYERS, we are only pointing out our difference in terms of how we handle donations, our dedication as well as hard work to get here.
If you want to play the conventional RO, we are not your project /gg
Quote from: Cyan Hijirikawa on Nov 14, 2016, 02:14 PM
Just throwing this in, my project has been underway for quite some time now and we've added features that are not seen on any other servers out there, which is what I and my team are proud of, of course this is also because of the awesome team i've managed to assemble
more info here (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/a-little-project-of-mine-midicity/msg187566/#new)
I believe someone said on a previous post, im not sure if its this one or the other one but these two threads are almost identical to be honest, that my project only involves adding some songs into RO and that's it, well, now I beg to differ. You shot us down even before you gave us a chance, well now, you can see that we are actually making progress.
We've received donations from players, staff and contributors just to further the project, and yes, all donations have been made to the betterment of the project, new systems are being developed, new npcs, features are also being added. What more, the anime-inspired theme is coming to life because of our latest additions of npcs such as Cyan Hijirikawa and Gray Fullbuster and more are coming!
Take note that the players who donated didn't really receive anything aside from their requested NPCs being made. So basically, donations are 100% spent on new npcs, new systems and whatnot. Now, you'll ask later on what will players get if they donated on the official release, well, they can get costumes and some consumables and that's it. They can also request for an NPC they would like to be made, a map perhaps for their guild and whatnot.
We are not divulging all our features here to keep it safe, if you want to know more, joining our Discord is the best way to know what we have in plan and what we have to offer. WE ARE NOT RECRUITING PLAYERS, we are only pointing out our difference in terms of how we handle donations, our dedication as well as hard work to get here.
If you want to play the conventional RO, we are not your project /gg
A bit of a wasted opportunity by not implementing trans class, don't you think? You shouldn't fear that people don't want them. It's not true, not to mention a very simple change to fix.
Quote from: Blinzer on Nov 14, 2016, 02:20 PM
A bit of a wasted opportunity by not implementing trans class, don't you think? You shouldn't fear that people don't want them. It's not true, not to mention a very simple change to fix.
Not quite, we do have a lot of plans for this project, and for sure, we will not be limiting ourselves to that. But so far, we are focusing on PvE content for now, some PvP aspects has also been integrated, but mainly its PvE. As for the exclusion of Trans, we find it that classic offers the best balance between all classes, later on in the project, we might be revealing our tweaks and changes to the Trans classes, but that is for a later date, we are committed on balancing out our first few releases.
Quote from: Cyan Hijirikawa on Nov 14, 2016, 02:28 PM
Not quite, we do have a lot of plans for this project, and for sure, we will not be limiting ourselves to that. But so far, we are focusing on PvE content for now, some PvP aspects has also been integrated, but mainly its PvE. As for the exclusion of Trans, we find it that classic offers the best balance between all classes, later on in the project, we might be revealing our tweaks and changes to the Trans classes, but that is for a later date, we are committed on balancing out our first few releases.
You do not really think that trans classes offers the highest potential for balance and gameplay. I'm not sure why you felt the need to lie to me, but you should not fall back onto the past because you are afraid of the future.
Quote from: Voryry on Nov 14, 2016, 07:31 AM
I second that. No donation, very stable, good community, responsive GM team. The master account/master Kafra system is also very convenient.
I have just returned there, player count has increased, WoE reopened, and the market is working.
This one is definitely managed with passion.
Do you know if OriginsRO plans to go renewal at some point in the future? It's a shame that server doesn't have a bigger population. It seems like a good place to go really.
Quote from: Blinzer on Nov 14, 2016, 04:50 PM
You do not really think that trans classes offers the highest potential for balance and gameplay. I'm not sure why you felt the need to lie to me, but you should not fall back onto the past because you are afraid of the future.
I'm sorry, but I have not said any lies in my previous posts. I do not feel that I have lied to you in any regard, if you think that we will not tweak trans, it is too early to say that we will not or too early to say that we won't. What we want to do is take this as slowly as we can, RO itself is already a great game, and we are taking great care to keep that intact when we do this fully customized project. If in any way I have offended you, it was not my intention and I do apologize for it. We do not want to make the same mistakes of what other developers have done so over the past, over committing and choking on their own work.
Quote from: Akasuna on Nov 14, 2016, 07:25 PM
Do you know if OriginsRO plans to go renewal at some point in the future? It's a shame that server doesn't have a bigger population. It seems like a good place to go really.
I have no idea, even if yes, it is going to be in far future.
Quote from: Voryry on Nov 15, 2016, 05:31 AM
I have no idea, even if yes, it is going to be in far future.
They've just released TK classes before rebirth...yet claim to be going with ''official RO'' style classic episode releases. Admin's and players have been hinting at rebirth happening soon, the episode they are on means it comes on their next update. Already with the TK class there it deviates from classic RO. There are quite a few other odd little features here and there, but overall I'd say it's an OK server if you like low rates and a ''classic style'' server. Population is very small and clique-y though, too much drama and toxicity in main chats between players over petty things. I realize this isn't the server's fault, but it is why I ultimately just left in search of a better low rate. I got tired of seeing the few active players on, constantly belittle and troll one another. I don't know really how many active players, but a lot of vendor's in various towns...Not just prontera. Also take into account multi-clienting. Most will say, active community is like 20-30 players.
Quote from: Voryry on Nov 15, 2016, 05:31 AM
I have no idea, even if yes, it is going to be in far future.
Yeah for sure, but I'm still curious whether they're actually going to do it or not.
Quote from: HollyDolly on Nov 15, 2016, 02:57 PM
They've just released TK classes before rebirth...yet claim to be going with ''official RO'' style classic episode releases. Admin's and players have been hinting at rebirth happening soon, the episode they are on means it comes on their next update. Already with the TK class there it deviates from classic RO. There are quite a few other odd little features here and there, but overall I'd say it's an OK server if you like low rates and a ''classic style'' server. Population is very small and clique-y though, too much drama and toxicity in main chats between players over petty things. I realize this isn't the server's fault, but it is why I ultimately just left in search of a better low rate. I got tired of seeing the few active players on, constantly belittle and troll one another. I don't know really how many active players, but a lot of vendor's in various towns...Not just prontera. Also take into account multi-clienting. Most will say, active community is like 20-30 players.
...Yeah, good luck with.
No, seriously if you can find a better low rate than Origins-RO let us know because while it does lack population it seems better than just about everything else out there.
Quote from: Akasuna on Nov 15, 2016, 09:00 PM
Yeah for sure, but I'm still curious whether they're actually going to do it or not.
...Yeah, good luck with.
No, seriously if you can find a better low rate than Origins-RO let us know because while it does lack population it seems better than just about everything else out there.
There are plenty of very good low rates out there if you just search for them, and personally after trying nearly all of them I am going to say that right now, Ragnarok Reborn is my favourite. It's been open for only 2 months and is already getting great reviews across the board. I am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours but let's not resort to a petty debate over ''which low rate is best''. That is subjective depending on what features a player is looking for. I already said it was good for those looking for a ''classic style'' server and isn't a bad server overall so calm down. I am sharing my personal experience with OriginsRO and what I found was there is bad attitudes prevalent among OriginsRO players and is exactly why people don't stick around. Too much elitism. Every time I'd log in, it was people fighting over some petty crap in main chats, or talking about how much they all hate rebirth and renewal lol. Drama over WOE nearly killed the server, and drama is what is keeping it from gaining more players that want to stay and become a part of the community.
Quote from: HollyDolly on Nov 16, 2016, 08:38 AM
There are plenty of very good low rates out there if you just search for them, and personally after trying nearly all of them I am going to say that right now, Ragnarok Reborn is my favourite. It's been open for only 2 months and is already getting great reviews across the board. I am entitled to my opinion, as you are yours but let's not resort to a petty debate over ''which low rate is best''. That is subjective depending on what features a player is looking for. I already said it was good for those looking for a ''classic style'' server and isn't a bad server overall so calm down. I am sharing my personal experience with OriginsRO and what I found was there is bad attitudes prevalent among OriginsRO players and is exactly why people don't stick around. Too much elitism. Every time I'd log in, it was people fighting over some petty crap in main chats, or talking about how much they all hate rebirth and renewal lol. Drama over WOE nearly killed the server, and drama is what is keeping it from gaining more players that want to stay and become a part of the community.
I've searched for them and their time is limited, they lack population, or they're some super customized servers. I've got nothing against Ragnarok Reborn, but what makes OriginsRO better than a lot of these other servers is that it has been around for ages so you can level there, take a break, come back and your stuff is still there. I can't say whether or not Ragnarok Reborn will be the same since like you said it is a new server. I'm not trying to turn this into a petty debate. I'm just trying to exchange information to see if there's something out there that I'm missing. I don't even play on OriginsRO. Are you saying the drama on OriginsRO is worst than on other servers? If you don't want to be part of the community because of the drama that's fine, but I really doubt you're going to find a server that has no drama.
Quote from: Akasuna on Nov 16, 2016, 05:45 PM
I've searched for them and their time is limited, they lack population, or they're some super customized servers. I've got nothing against Ragnarok Reborn, but what makes OriginsRO better than a lot of these other servers is that it has been around for ages so you can level there, take a break, come back and your stuff is still there. I can't say whether or not Ragnarok Reborn will be the same since like you said it is a new server. I'm not trying to turn this into a petty debate. I'm just trying to exchange information to see if there's something out there that I'm missing. I don't even play on OriginsRO. Are you saying the drama on OriginsRO is worst than on other servers? If you don't want to be part of the community because of the drama that's fine, but I really doubt you're going to find a server that has no drama.
I understand, and apologize if I came off as snappy or insinuative. I've been playing RO for around 10 years now ( first started back in 2006) and have seen a lot of server's come and go. I took a long break though, and now spent some time playing various low rates looking for the right one. Yes, Reborn is a new server but all server's have to start somewhere. I do wonder however, if since you are not a member of OriginsRO how do you know it is better than all these other servers? It seems to me more of a preference issue. HeRO has also been around for years, but as you say it is one with many customizations. Some people like that, some don't. If new server's aren't given a chance, there will be none left on RMS except for the few that last somehow ( even if they aren't that great ) which cuts variety for people. Plus this game is now old and not as popular as it was a few years ago.
Yeah, there will be drama anywhere there is people that is true, however some server's suffer from it more than others, and I have seen server's die because of it. I will honestly say that OriginsRO does have some very questionable players, and more drama than the average server I've played on including server's of recent. It's not a bad server, quite a good server for that classic feel actually, which was entirely a new experience for me that I did enjoy while being there. It's just the player's that ruin it. I can't specifically name any particular incident's, it's just too much drama in general really. Some people can handle it but I feel once the community get's to be like that it's hard to snap out. Once in a while, drama happens. But everyday? and on a low populated server? Nah. I also really dislike people who put themselves on a pedastool. By this I mean, there is a snobby clique-y elitism attitude that prevails on OriginsRO sadly. Where some people generalize, act intolerant and s*** talk anything that isn't classic RO. While I get it, some people have preference, some of us enjoy ALL of what RO has to offer and don't like to sit there and read that crap while trying to enjoy the game.
Quote from: HollyDolly on Nov 16, 2016, 08:25 PM
I understand, and apologize if I came off as snappy or insinuative. I've been playing RO for around 10 years now ( first started back in 2006) and have seen a lot of server's come and go. I took a long break though, and now spent some time playing various low rates looking for the right one. Yes, Reborn is a new server but all server's have to start somewhere. I do wonder however, if since you are not a member of OriginsRO how do you know it is better than all these other servers? It seems to me more of a preference issue. HeRO has also been around for years, but as you say it is one with many customizations. Some people like that, some don't. If new server's aren't given a chance, there will be none left on RMS except for the few that last somehow ( even if they aren't that great ) which cuts variety for people. Plus this game is now old and not as popular as it was a few years ago.
Yeah, there will be drama anywhere there is people that is true, however some server's suffer from it more than others, and I have seen server's die because of it. I will honestly say that OriginsRO does have some very questionable players, and more drama than the average server I've played on including server's of recent. It's not a bad server, quite a good server for that classic feel actually, which was entirely a new experience for me that I did enjoy while being there. It's just the player's that ruin it. I can't specifically name any particular incident's, it's just too much drama in general really. Some people can handle it but I feel once the community get's to be like that it's hard to snap out. Once in a while, drama happens. But everyday? and on a low populated server? Nah. I also really dislike people who put themselves on a pedastool. By this I mean, there is a snobby clique-y elitism attitude that prevails on OriginsRO sadly. Where some people generalize, act intolerant and s*** talk anything that isn't classic RO. While I get it, some people have preference, some of us enjoy ALL of what RO has to offer and don't like to sit there and read that crap while trying to enjoy the game.
It's okay. I could see how it could have been taken the wrong way so I can't blame you really, being sarcastic wasn't a good way for me to start that reply. Well maybe I'm giving it too much credit what I'm stating is based on what I've seen on streams and from what I've heard others say sure maybe I'm jumping to conclusions without seeing what the server is like for myself, but regardless it has that key element I mentioned previously the server has managed to stay up for years now. I know that doesn't make it a great server, but it's a quality that a lot of these low rates seem to lack lately. Not saying that Ragnarok Reborn will shut down like the others, in fact I hope it doesn't if the server is really as good as you and others claim it is then I hope for the sake of RO players that it grows. Yes, I know heRO has been around for ages too and I'm not sure what the deal is with heRO, but as far as I remember it's never been a huge server even back in the day when RO servers had larger populations heRO was always smaller. I'm not sure how bad the customs are on heRO as well, but I was thinking more along the lines of TalonRO when I said that because that one takes the cake with customs. Yeah, that is true, I'm not saying people shouldn't try new servers... I'm just tired of this cycle of servers being shut down and then having to start all over again and again. I know some players don't mind it and I didn't at first, but now it's rather annoying and I'm sure many others feel the same way.
What do you mean by questionable players? Yeah, I can see what you mean about the drama especially on a server with a small population like a lot of these low rates. I usually play on the bigger servers, so drama usually doesn't have a huge impact unless it involves a GM or Admin.
Honestly HollyDolly's complaints about OriginsRO are pretty biased in the first place. Having lurked on Origins on and off for years now I can tell you right away that there is generally fairly little drama outside a few players who simply dislike each other, and it very rarely reaches #main chats or similar places. Lately Origins has seen somewhat of a resurge of older players coming back, and these old players have brought a fairly s*** attitude with them, most likely (I'm guessing) because they feel they are entitled to a strong voice on the server since they were influential before. Unfortunately this reached #main a few times, but every time it's basically one guy insulting the 5-10 other people telling him he's wrong about something.
I won't give any specific examples because this is about servers and not individuals, but HollyDolly her/himself has spent a lot of time "trolling" in #main, and generally bringing a very negative attitude to it. While some players are clearly against rebirth/renewal/later content this so-called elitism is something a smaller group of newer players have made up out of thin air. Like I said I've been around for a while, and have been part of most of the bigger groups at this point. The only "elitism" that exists is WoE guilds catering to WoE players and expecting proper WoE characters out of their recruits.
I personally think OriginsRO is the best low rate server out there that's still up and running. Great features, very Mac-friendly, incredibly stable and with a long-standing community that, even though it has been close to dead sometimes, comes back time and time again. That being said the server does have some problems. Staff members are way too lenient with social rule breakers, such as flamers, trolls and overall negative attitudes, and would rather do nothing than confront them, which in turn leads to most other issues, such as tensions going high sometimes because of WoE, or random trolls in #main thinking it's okay to do what they do even though they are driving players away doing so. But honestly, I have tried many many servers over the years and OriginsRO is easily top 3 out of my all-time faves.
A successful server would be run like a successful business.
Where admins would treat player-gm interaction like a customer service query.
And instead of basing decision around what will be profitable in terms of money, should be profitable in terms of server morale.
A server like that would surely be a great one.
Quote from: Slaw on Nov 17, 2016, 06:13 AM
Honestly HollyDolly's complaints about OriginsRO are pretty biased in the first place. Having lurked on Origins on and off for years now I can tell you right away that there is generally fairly little drama outside a few players who simply dislike each other, and it very rarely reaches #main chats or similar places. Lately Origins has seen somewhat of a resurge of older players coming back, and these old players have brought a fairly s*** attitude with them, most likely (I'm guessing) because they feel they are entitled to a strong voice on the server since they were influential before. Unfortunately this reached #main a few times, but every time it's basically one guy insulting the 5-10 other people telling him he's wrong about something.
I won't give any specific examples because this is about servers and not individuals, but HollyDolly her/himself has spent a lot of time "trolling" in #main, and generally bringing a very negative attitude to it. While some players are clearly against rebirth/renewal/later content this so-called elitism is something a smaller group of newer players have made up out of thin air. Like I said I've been around for a while, and have been part of most of the bigger groups at this point. The only "elitism" that exists is WoE guilds catering to WoE players and expecting proper WoE characters out of their recruits.
I personally think OriginsRO is the best low rate server out there that's still up and running. Great features, very Mac-friendly, incredibly stable and with a long-standing community that, even though it has been close to dead sometimes, comes back time and time again. That being said the server does have some problems. Staff members are way too lenient with social rule breakers, such as flamers, trolls and overall negative attitudes, and would rather do nothing than confront them, which in turn leads to most other issues, such as tensions going high sometimes because of WoE, or random trolls in #main thinking it's okay to do what they do even though they are driving players away doing so. But honestly, I have tried many many servers over the years and OriginsRO is easily top 3 out of my all-time faves.
I'm not being Biased at all. I'm being honest. I have nothing against OriginsRO at all and even said it was a good server. I've never once trolled in main chats, or caused any drama at all there. I never once had a disagreement with any member on public chat or even private. There was one time where I asked a question ( Due to me not ever having experience on a classic RO server before ) and someone was rude to me and told me to off and threw a fit over me asking a simple question instead of just helping me. That was the only incident, and wasn't even my fault. There were actually several players who came to my defense during that. I genuinely asked a question about how classic stats worked and used the example by asking if Acid Demo on there would be based on M.ATK or Luk and was lambasted for it by someone with an elitist attitude who told me very rudely that I needed to ''move on'' from renewal. Excuse me, but Renewal has been out for years now and so many server's do thing's so differently, I figured there was no harm in asking how the Classic stats/skills worked and using Acid Demo as my example question. If that's ''trolling'' we got a major problem here. I would like to know where this 'Negative attitude'' is that I brought to the server, seeing as how I did nothing but make friends there and keep to myself. Most of the people on there didn't even know who I was. I signed up with someone and we both played together and for the most part kept to ourselves. I have never once been reported, or ever once had to be warned or talked to any GM over any ''negative attitude'' what so ever. Also, if you claim to be just a ''lurker'' how do you know who I am? Because only 2 people on that server knew my real name was Holly. Most them did not know me past my in game username, and only one person I can think of would know who I was from reading this thread...
It seems to me you're the biased one. Oh and, as for these ''new players'' or returning players, I have no idea about that as I quit the server a couple of weeks before the WOE Re-launch. Sorry. Anyways I'm done here, and have been in contact with the relevant members who can sort this issue out with me. Any further discussion on this, or my experience being devalued will be ignored. If you can't take the honest criticism and work on making it better, that's not my problem. I play a lot of servers and am honest about them, I am sorry if I don't sugar coat things. I left because I felt the community was full of drama ( drama that I wasn't even a part of mind you, and drama in this topic is getting out of hand now ) and if you don't like it then maybe work to make it better instead of blaming someone else?
Let's get back on topic guys, this topic isn't about one specific server. If there is need to talk about a single server it should go into a new topic just for it. Thanks.
Hi, new to RMS forums, been playing RO on and off for a few years looking for a server that was posted like this. Years ago there was a server called IvaliceRO that gave me this feeling that it was based on passion and thats what i really like about private servers. Not trying to advertise my current server, but has anyone here played AnkRO before? I heard some stories about the server's past and all but overall from what I have seen the GM runs it based on his passion for gaming rather than donations (even though he did just open donation option).
There are servers who are not after the profit but sadly, people don't bother joining them.
Why? Because if it's non-donation scheme, there will be no budget for advertising. And people these days will never try a server with a population that's less than 100.
We're using funds raised to donate to the Gamer's Outreach charity. Does that count? >.>
Elaria is looking good in that aspect. Shame it doesn't have more players and the GMs are stubborn about some things that would fix that.
Locking this topic to avoid shameless people trying to advertise here.
Only time will and can tell which server are made with passion and just not for profit.