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Offline Impulse

Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« on: Jun 03, 2011, 08:24 pm »
Would ratemyserver ever consider doing an extensive wiki (comparable to iRO wiki) for private servers? I'm sure a lot of data from the pre-renewal iRO wiki could be used for low rate servers, and it would really cement ratemyserver as the place for consolidated private server information. Using iRO wiki by itself is frustrating, since there is a lot of conflicting information when used for private server reference. As for high rate, perhaps each page could have separate sections for different types of servers.

I know it seems like a big endeavor, but as a community based wiki I'm sure we could get something tangible up in a few weeks, even if it is just iRO wiki slightly tweaked for private servers. Just putting up a blank wiki and installing a few moderators to keep things clean would be sufficient; it would build itself up eventually.

Sorry for posting this in general discussion, but it seems like the suggestions forum is rather empty. It feels more appropriate to put this here, but please move it if you disagree.



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Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« on: Jun 03, 2011, 08:24 pm »

Offline Yusifer

Re: Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« Reply #1 on: Jun 03, 2011, 09:37 pm »
pServers die all the time, though, and that'd make for a hard task to keep it updated, remove pages for servers that no longer exist, put in new servers that will surely die within two months...

@_@ I don't think it'd be worth it. If you want info' on a pServer, go to their website?

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Offline Impulse

Re: Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« Reply #2 on: Jun 03, 2011, 10:12 pm »
Sorry, I wasn't talking about a wiki ABOUT private servers, just FOR private servers. Like how iROwiki benefits players of iRO, ratemyserver wiki would benefit players of all private servers. Instead of private server players going to iRO wiki for information, they would just come here for content tailored to private servers.


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Offline Michy

Re: Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« Reply #3 on: Jun 04, 2011, 12:29 am »
You can already find all the information you need about RO in other places. And if a server has some awesome things to say about itself, it can make its own wiki and manage it themselves. Or they can just post that information on their own website for public viewing by people who actually want to see that information.

RMS's resources should be spent on improving existing features, and improving the overall (low) quality of the website and forums. The last thing it needs is a wiki, which i doubt many people would be willing to manage anyhow.
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Offline yC

Re: Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« Reply #4 on: Jun 04, 2011, 02:10 am »
I had the idea before but there are reasons I did not go with it.  I find the iRO (future?) wiki is quite useful already and that each pserver can be slightly different.  You will always run into the inconsistency problem no matter what kind wiki is up.  I too wish a wiki could build itself up, but the experience with write.ratemyserver.net tells me a different story.  There are not many people willing to spend the time writing guides so for a wiki to work I think this is a major hurdle that need to be overcome.


Offline Warock

Re: Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« Reply #5 on: Jun 04, 2011, 02:31 am »
IRO wiki is concentrated on specific server Wiki for Private as mentioned wont be a good idea as RMS does not own a server by itself its group servers and players that meet on site , Each server info differs from other , Wiki means a common info to all servers which is already available on ratemyserver site. According to me Wiki might misguide people
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Offline XicoR4

Re: Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« Reply #6 on: Jun 05, 2011, 09:51 pm »
I believe what he's trying to say is to make a wiki for eAthena based servers (most privates), seeing as a few things differ from AEGIS based servers (officials). While it wouldn't be a bad idea (and I wouldn't mind helping), it's probably not worth the trouble. It would need, at least, daily moderation to revert wiki vandalism and an active community to actually add stuff to it.
Also, if you consider the fact that most private servers (especially mid/high rates) have custom modifications to a lot of things, it would be impossible for the wiki to be that precise for the private server scene.

Besides all that, irowiki is already 95+% accurate regarding most things.

@yC: Not to sound offensive or anything but the problem with the writings was different iirc. It wasn't highlighted enough, had a pretty bad comment system that made every guide descend into stupid questions or non-english stuff, writings had to be approved first, it was mainly made for subjective stuff (leveling, builds), among other things that made it unattractive.

Offline Impulse

Re: Is a Ratemyserver Wiki possible?
« Reply #7 on: Jun 06, 2011, 05:22 am »
Many private servers are pre-Renewal, and it worries me that the pre-Renewal section of iRO wiki is designated as an "archive". I feel like pre-Renewal servers will stick around for a while, and that a wiki catering to such servers would be beneficial. I just feel weird relying on an "archive" for my information - though it takes a different meaning offline, on the internet it seems to imply that it is deprecated.

Also, I don't agree that precision is even important in this case. A wiki, in my mind, serves a community. As of right now, the majority of private server players are using a wiki that blatantly does NOT want such players to be served. I believe this creates a barrier for new players - they don't feel welcomed by a community. A wiki can help bridge that gap by providing relevant, if vague, information about how and why we do things in conjunction with the data about the game.

I just think that sometimes we forget about presentation and focus too much on the data. Sure, we have all the information we need to successfully navigate Ragnarok Online - but Ragnarok Online has been fragmented, even more so with Renewal. iRO wiki provides most of what we need, but most of us are also experienced players. Think about how hard it must be for someone new to Ragnarok to get started! Separating ourselves from the official servers and consolidating as much information as possible in a presentable manner will do nothing but help this community grow.

The iRO wiki pre-Renewal archive data is freely distributable, and easy to port to a new wiki site. With some work, it can be made to primarily cater to the majority of (pre-Renewal) private servers, disregarding customs. I don't really see why customs are really an issue here - we aren't talking about a full scale documentation of every single private server out there. Customs are specific to an individual server, and are probably well documented there.

I do agree that the logistics of creating the wiki site are formidable. But it's worth a shot, isn't it?

*I have finished porting the pre-Renewal data from iRO wiki onto my own wiki site for my server. I am in the process of editing it to reflect the needs of my server, but I am going to try to make it as general as possible. From the responses, it seems that a ratemyserver wiki is unlikely to happen, so once I am finished I will ask for your feedback. *



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