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Title: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
Okay, so why is it that on just about every server you go to you have these seemingly hatred fueled people that just want to kill the image of the server and watch it crash and burn. But, these players still play on that server and they participate in events, in war of emperium,  and etc. So why is it that these players play on the server, yet do just about everything in their power to kill it? So I just fail to understand that, you play there, you have gears there, you have money there, you have friends there, you have characters there, yet you want to kill it?

So just in case you guys  don't understand what I mean here's an example:

A player is on a server, he has a level 97 Whitesmith, and over 15 million zeny to his name, he is fully geared for war of emperium, and has more pots then he'll ever need. Then he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone. But here's the thing, he still plays there everyday, with his friends and his guild, yet everyday he does everything in his power to hurt the server.


So can someone explain why some people feel the need to do this?



Oh, and the "He's trying to change the server" excuse doesn't work, because he's willing to state that he just wants the place to die
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Auroraâ„¢ on Oct 19, 2008, 03:22 PM
Quite honestly, I don't think there's any real excuse someone can give, that's legitimate, that can explain why they would do things such as this.

I think the only real way it can be explained is ignorance. I've seen a lot of people like this say "It's for the better of the server" or "I'm just doing it because there's so much corruption, and because I care so much, I have to do this." It's just excuses that they give to try and justify the fact that they're not acting any better than anyone that really is corrupt on whatever server they're playing on. What they fail to realize is, that, by doing said things, they're acting exactly the same way that the people they claim to dislike acts, and they're killing off the server moreso than said person(s). So, instead of just leaving, and being the bigger man, they decide to egg on the corruption they're claiming is bad, and antagonize the server they claim to care about.

That's really the only answer I can give; ignorance. x_o;
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 19, 2008, 03:54 PM
People like to start and perpetuate drama. It's the internet, and most of the people QQing here are like... fourteen years old. I don't get it either - you'd think they would just leave. Some people stay because they spent money BEFORE their server went downhill, and that I understand. A lot of people are also really eager to cry "corruption" at any little thing that happens to them (losing a castle in woe, their own computer lagging), so I'd say at least half of the bad reviews of servers are grossly exaggerated. Hell, a lot are written out of spite and are fake, too. :\

I personally have stayed on servers I've been unhappy with only because it was an "interim period" server until I found somewhere better.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Descent on Oct 19, 2008, 04:29 PM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
Okay, so why is it that on just about every server you go to you have these seemingly hatred fueled people that just want to kill the image of the server and watch it crash and burn. But, these players still play on that server and they participate in events, in war of emperium,  and etc. So why is it that these players play on the server, yet do just about everything in their power to kill it? So I just fail to understand that, you play there, you have gears there, you have money there, you have friends there, you have characters there, yet you want to kill it?

So just in case you guys  don't understand what I mean here's an example:

A player is on a server, he has a level 97 Whitesmith, and over 15 million zeny to his name, he is fully geared for war of emperium, and has more pots then he'll ever need. Then he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone. But here's the thing, he still plays there everyday, with his friends and his guild, yet everyday he does everything in his power to hurt the server.


So can someone explain why some people feel the need to do this?



Oh, and the "He's trying to change the server" excuse doesn't work, because he's willing to state that he just wants the place to die

Eh. Dunno. There is a player on FaithRO forums right now who has "stupid american server with stupid american players" in every one of his posts, yet he insists on playing.

Usually donations will keep a player around, especially if it's a substantial amount. I can also recall another player(also from FaithRO) named "Dvil", who apparently hated the staff, hated most of the players, hell, just hated the entire server, and was given every opportunity to just pack up and go without drama: instead, he turned around and kept screaming corruption every time his guild lost a castle, every time he got jailed(which, he earned, by the way, nobody jailed him for no reason), every time a post got deleted...

...eventually he just used racism and got permanently banned from the server and forums. *shrug* Troublemakers get a sick sense of accomplishment from ruining people's days, I guess that's their motivation?
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 19, 2008, 05:30 PM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone.


if he uses WPE then he deserves an IP ban and be gone from the server forever, with evidence of course.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 19, 2008, 05:40 PM
No kidding, but JJJ was asking why people bother to stay on servers they don't like.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 19, 2008, 05:52 PM
if u use WPE clearly u just wanna ruin the server for every1.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 19, 2008, 08:29 PM
spam less please Dx
or you'll break my heart
x3 anyway, so everyone does this, i mean they play on servers endlessly just to insult them

i just don't get humans........
>.< wish someone could easily explain it to me =X


btw, failure to ban cause he uses a proxy server <3~
but everyone knows its him, and he'll admit to it
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Descent on Oct 19, 2008, 08:36 PM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 08:29 PM
spam less please Dx
or you'll break my heart
x3 anyway, so everyone does this, i mean they play on servers endlessly just to insult them

i just don't get humans........
>.< wish someone could easily explain it to me =X


btw, failure to ban cause he uses a proxy server <3~
but everyone knows its him, and he'll admit to it

Is his name "Erwin12" or "s r e w" by any chance?
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 19, 2008, 08:41 PM
x3 not saying any names on purpose here, cause that'd just be mean
but no thats not his name
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: DragonHero on Oct 19, 2008, 09:38 PM
Psst! Some people today are just plain nuts! Lol!
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Descent on Oct 19, 2008, 09:48 PM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 08:41 PM
x3 not saying any names on purpose here, cause that'd just be mean
but no thats not his name

Haha, it's cool. Just wanted to see if the guy may have migrated away from the server I was having trouble with him on.

Back on topic: I guess the sad realization is that there are literally thousands of Private RO Servers out there. If these types of people get their jollies screwing around with others and get banned, they can always find another server to infest.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 19, 2008, 10:09 PM
honestly i dont think this kind of person exist at all, few things that dont make sense to me...

why would he spend so much time into grinding a whitesmith to lvl 97  and have over 15m zenny (assuming its a low rate server) and then try to kill the server (assuming there is no corruption whatsoever) by using WPE and tell people to leave?

the fact that he spent the time on his whitesmith already tells us that he at least likes the server...

tho it will be completely diff story if the GMs corrupt.

Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Auroraâ„¢ on Oct 19, 2008, 10:35 PM
I've come across plenty of people like that.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 19, 2008, 10:52 PM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 19, 2008, 10:09 PM
honestly i dont think this kind of person exist at all, few things that dont make sense to me...

why would he spend so much time into grinding a whitesmith to lvl 97  and have over 15m zenny (assuming its a low rate server) and then try to kill the server (assuming there is no corruption whatsoever) by using WPE and tell people to leave?

the fact that he spent the time on his whitesmith already tells us that he at least likes the server...

tho it will be completely diff story if the GMs corrupt.

thus the point of this topic
and hes not trying to kill it for any reason, i've talked lots with him, and his whole reason is "i'm bored"
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Oct 20, 2008, 01:11 AM
Oh, like you never kicked a kitten just for fun.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Dean Stark on Oct 20, 2008, 02:10 AM
hello, i'm new here

anyways i might have got the feeling that he/she's just pissing new and old players just so to intimidate other guilds, like making some competitor's guild member(s) so annoyed that they'd leave the server? or rather lessen the competition by telling ppl to leave?

sorry i'm not really into these things, just wana try to post something...
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Fruityla on Oct 20, 2008, 03:26 AM
He's a Drama Llama. It's just that simple :3
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Littlechan on Oct 20, 2008, 06:30 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
Okay, so why is it that on just about every server you go to you have these seemingly hatred fueled people that just want to kill the image of the server and watch it crash and burn. But, these players still play on that server and they participate in events, in war of emperium,  and etc. So why is it that these players play on the server, yet do just about everything in their power to kill it? So I just fail to understand that, you play there, you have gears there, you have money there, you have friends there, you have characters there, yet you want to kill it?

So just in case you guys  don't understand what I mean here's an example:

A player is on a server, he has a level 97 Whitesmith, and over 15 million zeny to his name, he is fully geared for war of emperium, and has more pots then he'll ever need. Then he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone. But here's the thing, he still plays there everyday, with his friends and his guild, yet everyday he does everything in his power to hurt the server.


So can someone explain why some people feel the need to do this?



Oh, and the "He's trying to change the server" excuse doesn't work, because he's willing to state that he just wants the place to die

because people like to see someone in trouble? :3?

seriously, which one do you prefer? people got burned till death, or people who die in peace? :3?
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 07:26 AM
I prefer not to watch people die at all. XD
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Ayu on Oct 20, 2008, 01:16 PM
Hm dealt with some behavior problems in a server before and we were having a chat with what's the problem and reasoning to all the ruckus. After a lot of talking, this particular player admitted that he can be more mature, but "at this point in time, the way things are is more fun" *shrug* Passion rules over logic, I guess...

Being considerate is not a given. Some people like to cause trouble just to see how you will overcome it on purpose, and they will give you multiple obstacles non-stop because their hobbies and fun derives from seeing other people in these kinds of situation. Similar to what other posters have said about some people like to avoid drama because 'it's nothing but trouble', but to some others, drama is 'interesting to read.'
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 01:22 PM
Quote from: Ayu on Oct 20, 2008, 01:16 PM
Hm dealt with some behavior problems in a server before and we were having a chat with what's the problem and reasoning to all the ruckus. After a lot of talking, this particular player admitted that he can be more mature, but "at this point in time, the way things are is more fun" *shrug* Passion rules over logic, I guess...

Being considerate is not a given. Some people like to cause trouble just to see how you will overcome it on purpose, and they will give you multiple obstacles non-stop because their hobbies and fun derives from seeing other people in these kinds of situation. Similar to what other posters have said about some people like to avoid drama because 'it's nothing but trouble', but to some others, drama is 'interesting to read.'

I hate that mindset. "Ashueshueshueshue, let's bother the staff and players and then laugh when they get upset!" It's like nobody realizes that behind every (well, most) character sprite is an actual PERSON.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Ayu on Oct 20, 2008, 01:31 PM
Quote from: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 01:22 PM
It's like nobody realizes that behind every (well, most) character sprite is an actual PERSON.

Supposedly, "THIS IS THE INTERNET" allows all sorts of option. To some people, you ought to be 'prepared' for the world (both online and offline) when you enter the world for these sorts of negativity that babysitting is a thing of the past. Sadly these people fail to recognize that they are the ones who started these negativity to begin with...

Another popular outlook is that "someone had to be the mean one out there to get things done, and that person is me." Supposedly it helps you grow, maintain order/progress and speed things up? Social Darwinism I guess... if you can't handle it, they'll be happy to make this world 'better' by 'eliminating' you cause you are obviously, not meant for 'survival' as you aren't 'fit enough.'

It's a nightmare as a GM to handle them =(
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 01:44 PM
Quote from: Ayu on Oct 20, 2008, 01:31 PM
Quote from: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 01:22 PM
It's like nobody realizes that behind every (well, most) character sprite is an actual PERSON.

Supposedly, "THIS IS THE INTERNET" allows all sorts of option. To some people, you ought to be 'prepared' for the world (both online and offline) when you enter the world for these sorts of negativity that babysitting is a thing of the past. Sadly these people fail to recognize that they are the ones who started these negativity to begin with...

...

It's a nightmare as a GM to handle them =(

Believe me, I know. :< I don't think that "this is the internet" is a valid excuse to be a jackass, though.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Pandora on Oct 20, 2008, 01:56 PM
Quote from: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 01:22 PM
I hate that mindset. "Ashueshueshueshue, let's bother the staff and players and then laugh when they get upset!" It's like nobody realizes that behind every (well, most) character sprite is an actual PERSON.
I know right?

I've seen a player once bribe other players into swearing and insulting the gms on main channel, talk about being a jerk.

But this kind of behavior is not limited to RO, jerks are everywhere on the internet and in real life too, it's just easier in life to keep them away from our close circle of people (unless you have to work with them), while in game you have to endure them, unless they break a rule of the server and get banned.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 02:10 PM
Quote from: Pandora on Oct 20, 2008, 01:56 PM
Quote from: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 01:22 PM
I hate that mindset. "Ashueshueshueshue, let's bother the staff and players and then laugh when they get upset!" It's like nobody realizes that behind every (well, most) character sprite is an actual PERSON.
I know right?

I've seen a player once bribe other players into swearing and insulting the gms on main channel, talk about being a jerk.

But this kind of behavior is not limited to RO, jerks are everywhere on the internet and in real life too, it's just easier in life to keep them away from our close circle of people (unless you have to work with them), while in game you have to endure them, unless they break a rule of the server and get banned.

It's also easier to avoid IRL because people can't hide behind their anonymity. @_@
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Pandora on Oct 20, 2008, 02:59 PM
So true.

There was a post not too long ago on this board about pricks like that called "keyboard warrior" who act big and all on the internet.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Aaronock on Oct 20, 2008, 03:29 PM
Easy to act big when you can't see a person.
I don't understand people sometimes, if you do hate the GM's and such and such and such thing on a server, why not move somewhere else?  Then again, some people enjoy being Drama Llamas and they get their kicks peeving people off for their own satisfactions.  Probably to feel big *points back to first sentence*
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Okale on Oct 20, 2008, 05:22 PM
I've seen this happen on every RO server I've played on, without exception. I sometimes joke around that it should be renamed to Drama Online, because it seems this game really attracts a lot of it. XD

I can only speak from my own experience, but most people do it to get attention. Amongst the sea of people playing, it's hard to stand out. Even if you get to max level, fully geared out, tons of zeny/items, someone else can get to where you are with enough time, and a lot of it can't even be seen normally. They might feel like they'll eventually be forgotten, so they want to make an impact while they still can. Nobody will remember you unless you do something interesting, like become the most notoriously hated person on the server.

Some people do it just to see how far they can push it before they get punished. Some people just like to get under others' skins. Some do it because they're bored and they think of it as entertaining. I've even seen people say "this is the best server I've ever played on, but I just can't resist screwing with people."
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Descent on Oct 20, 2008, 05:25 PM
Quote from: Okale on Oct 20, 2008, 05:22 PM
I've seen this happen on every RO server I've played on, without exception. I sometimes joke around that it should be renamed to Drama Online, because it seems this game really attracts a lot of it. XD

I can only speak from my own experience, but most people do it to get attention. Amongst the sea of people playing, it's hard to stand out. Even if you get to max level, fully geared out, tons of zeny/items, someone else can get to where you are with enough time, and a lot of it can't even be seen normally. They might feel like they'll eventually be forgotten, so they want to make an impact while they still can. Nobody will remember you unless you do something interesting, like become the most notoriously hated person on the server.

Some people do it just to see how far they can push it before they get punished. Some people just like to get under others' skins. Some do it because they're bored and they think of it as entertaining. I've even seen people say "this is the best server I've ever played on, but I just can't resist screwing with people."

So true.

HI OKALE!!! I was "Unjust" on Ardent and Essence. /offtopic
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Scars on Oct 20, 2008, 06:16 PM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
Okay, so why is it that on just about every server you go to you have these seemingly hatred fueled people that just want to kill the image of the server and watch it crash and burn. But, these players still play on that server and they participate in events, in war of emperium,  and etc. So why is it that these players play on the server, yet do just about everything in their power to kill it? So I just fail to understand that, you play there, you have gears there, you have money there, you have friends there, you have characters there, yet you want to kill it?

So just in case you guys  don't understand what I mean here's an example:

A player is on a server, he has a level 97 Whitesmith, and over 15 million zeny to his name, he is fully geared for war of emperium, and has more pots then he'll ever need. Then he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone. But here's the thing, he still plays there everyday, with his friends and his guild, yet everyday he does everything in his power to hurt the server.


So can someone explain why some people feel the need to do this?



Oh, and the "He's trying to change the server" excuse doesn't work, because he's willing to state that he just wants the place to die

Pure Jealousy.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 20, 2008, 06:31 PM
lol its odd, a reason or no reason? it still makes no sense to me =o



but i always find it funny how people like to call me stupid, childish, <insert bad words here>, and other combination's of poorly strung insults just because i have the expectation that people can be half decent ^^
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Scars on Oct 20, 2008, 06:45 PM
Jealousy of being unable to own his own server.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 20, 2008, 06:48 PM
Or insensitivity + boredom.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Sita on Oct 21, 2008, 12:36 AM
The drama in and of itself is the reason though.  Let's face it - anyone who puts that much of their time and effort into any RO server's real life probably isn't that interesting.  However, by causing a ruckus they feel important.  They get the attention they crave. 

Think of a three year old trying to get their mother's attention.  If being good doesn't work, they'll do things like finger paint on the walls, etc. so as to get the attention they want.  They don't care if it's negative attention, it's attention.  That's why people flip out and insult the servers they play on.  They do stupid things like that so as to have a name made for themselves.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Pandora on Oct 21, 2008, 09:11 AM
Like Okale and Sita said, they do it to get attention. There's one individual in particular that I recall, that person seeks attention in any way they can (usually negative), and I guess he learned that he can get the attention he so desperately craves with conflict, it's probably not done fully conscientiously, and he even tries to be nice sometime, but the next minute he'll be a jerk, he's very unstable. His parents don't like him much from what I know, he doesn't have many friends, bad experiences in the past, he drinks to forget his problems, all that mixed together led the dude to be an overly emotional conflict seeker, so he did anything he could to oppose the gm or the server or spur fighting. He's 20 something, so he doesn't even have the excuse of being young. A lot of trouble maker in RO are in their teenage phase, so it partly (but not fully) explains their angstyness.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Tira on Oct 22, 2008, 05:30 AM
lol so many of my staff in here. HI SITA AND OKALE APPARENTLY YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THIS I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY.

This happens to us all the time, and the reasons vary. Sometimes it's nothing more than attention seeking. Sometimes it's when they think that some kind of "retribution" is necessary for they have been terribly wronged in some way (i.e. we had an issue like this when a player's staff application was rejected). Sometimes it's for no reason whatsoever beyond boredom.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Sita on Oct 22, 2008, 01:10 PM
HAI TIRA!  I HAVE NO IDEAS AS TO WHY I WOULD THINK THAT WHINERS ARE MERELY SEEKING ATTENTION!

And to be fair, people revolt about a lot of stuff.  I mean really, this is the crap we get:

GM Staff:  So guys, we found a way that you can abuse the system.  We changed it so  you can't do that anymore.  GO GET STUFF THE WAY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO!

Players: WTF HOW DARE YOU FOIL OUR ATTEMPT TO GET AROUND THE SYSTEM!  YOU'RE ALL CORRUPT AND I'LL GO LEAVE BAD REVIEWS LOL.


Seriously, I'd be willing to bet money that I could go through our server reviews and find at least five bad reviews from people that are STILL playing our server.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Ayu on Oct 22, 2008, 04:51 PM
People may not leave a server, even if they completely hate it, for one possible reason: "but all my pwnage gears are here!"

heh


Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Denia on Oct 22, 2008, 08:01 PM
We have several players like that on our server. Actually, some of which no longer play on the server yet come back occasionally to pop into PVP or something like that. And several more who do nothing more but troll the forums. We have a handful who like to also give input on suggestions, despite them no longer playing there.

I don't quite understand it really, why they like to come to our forums so much and do this sort of thing. I once played on a server that said on their forums:

Please leave feedback here, but if you plan on trolling because you don't like the server, please kindly leave quietly and give us feedback elsewhere.

Which I thought was fairly pleasant. I ended up leaving the server for various reasons, however, never once did raise a ruckus even if I didn't agree with the server. I left feedback accordingly and that, was the end of that.

There are a few key players, who continue to come back and say a lot of nasty things, about rules, about administration, about other players, despite playing there... or well, not even playing there. The ones that really boggle me are just the ones who come to our forums every day and don't even play on our server >_>. I don't ban them, because really, no rules have really been broken, or not badly, they're just giving their opinion on the server. However, it feels like a rotten apple in the bunch and soon might infect the rest of the crowd u_u
/me boggles a bit more at the jumbled and not well constructed post
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: superhappyfun on Oct 23, 2008, 06:44 AM
there are people that are like that regardless of what game you play. its kinda like how i always complain about dota to my friends. but i always play it with them anyway. i dislike the game and i wish it would burn in hell but i still enjoy playing it. i dunno why.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Shad on Oct 23, 2008, 11:10 AM
[quote name='Leeli' date='Oct 23 2008, 08:27 AM' post='170433']
Flames were at a more than reasonable level (much lower than in most of the servers) untill some players came and said it was unbearable and started arguing over it.
Wherever you go there will always be flames.
Flames are pretty much a part of the game and that report is actually a total lie. New players have never been flamed/ disrespected, far from it. I've seen new players being given a few millions/ some nice gear by established players and help with leveling.
What well established players REALY HATE is players who join a server and complain about how established players are overpowered, how it's unfair and how they want to "balance" the situation (aka, open 5 castles per town pliz we want to make the woe boring for everyone so we can get some mufflers).
Heck it's not THAT hard to come on a server and catch up with the established players especially when you come with friends.
Sure you'll be a bit behind in the beginning but if you spent as much energy to level and get geared that you spent complaining you'd be overpowered and would totally crush well established players.

Final word: NEVER try to stop flaming, it just make things realy bad.
[/quote]


[quote name='Lakkan' date='Oct 23 2008, 08:31 AM' post='170434']
[color="#008080"]I've been in a few servers, counting this in, through all my time in RO. EuphRO being the first, I didn't play it for too long, but I'm well aware of the flaming and stuff that happened. It was way worse than here. I mention Euph cause most of the RO private server population nowadays played it, I think. All the other servers had way worse flaming than here, also with a lot bigger pop, which means more people flaming and being flamed, yet when they died - the ones that did -, it had nothing to do with it, mostly. The person who wrote that is/has either:

a) playing a private server for the first time;
b) never been on a serious competitive WoE server, if you can call it that;
c) a *****.

If the flaming is bothersome, you won't find a better place than here to stay, excluding other 100 pop servers, perhaps, since as stated above, any other bigger servers are packed with competitiveness and, therefore, flaming.

This is the average private server population, there might be exceptions, but that's it. Enjoy it and whine less.

Edit: Wao, Leeli kinda beat me to it, I guess.[/color]
[/quote]
Both on StellaRO forums.
Discuss.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Descent on Oct 23, 2008, 11:13 AM
So uh...treating each other like crap makes a fun server?

Damn, my community must be blind to that fact since they...well...get along.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Edward on Oct 23, 2008, 11:20 AM
People do it because they have nothing better to do.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 23, 2008, 11:20 AM
@superhappy, I think there's a fine line between just being annoyed with a game and targeting a server for all sorts of negativity and whatnot.

@everyone, yes there will be negativity, but perpetuating it drives people to leave. Your community will be left with 12 year olds and drama-whores. If that's the kind of place you wanna play, then go for it.

Also... I still stand by the whole "Bring your issues with the server to light, and leave if nothing gets done" thing.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Shad on Oct 23, 2008, 11:55 AM
Quote from: Edward on Oct 23, 2008, 11:20 AM
People do it because they have nothing better to do.
Exactly.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Poki on Oct 24, 2008, 02:48 PM
Killing the server is the next step after server domination (level 99, fully geared, WoE god, pvp freak).
In other words, they are bored once they have either accomplished their goals, or failed them miserably and result in a last ditch effort.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Miya on Oct 24, 2008, 06:53 PM
It's the 8% undecided group that everyone's been talking about =O You get these people who come in, bust things up, gain powerful equips, adorn their eEgos, and tada.. "I'm too good for your server and you suck, but I'm still here because I'm bored" mentality kicks in! It's another one of those patterns of people you run into on RO. All anyone can do is either Ban them if they're being too harassing, or just let them run wild and cause attention to the server (good or bad). I think what the server should include in rules is something along the lines of "excessive negativity which leads to ruining the players enjoyment of the server."

There is a difference between "lol this server is so boring now." and "I'm going to go post negative reviews and tell every noob that joins that the GMs hack and shizz."
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Brian on Oct 25, 2008, 07:59 AM
Bot and wpe ruins a server.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 28, 2008, 04:40 AM
@1st post

he can get away with using WPE in town and creating "harmful" post in forum, and he even tell people about it, this server must be full of stupid GMs.

Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Loki on Oct 28, 2008, 09:46 AM
Its called Evolution.

They evolved from getting pissed because they got ban for breaking the rules to brainless freaks that wants to bring the server down. Although unsuccessfully.

And they would still play the server to recruit more players like them and learn more about the server and get inside news to fuel up any dramas.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 28, 2008, 10:29 AM
"Stupid GMs", what a nice assumption to make. >_>

Depending on the size of a server, it can be easy for a botter to slip through the cracks. That doesn't necessarily make the GMs stupid, it just makes them busy, or implies their attention is elsewhere. I've known some servers to have special GMs exclusively for bot-hunting, but generally it's a lot easier to manually track down bots if your server is small and you have a team of people who are paying attention to the damn server almost 24/7.

@Loki, YES. In my experience it's the players who already got in trouble a few times. They may want to be SUPER AWESOME COOL in front of everyone else (thus they keep pushing staffs' buttons and bending rules), they may want to take the server down out of bitterness. A lot of them find strength in numbers, and unfortunately a lot of players who act this way are manipulative/charismatic enough to form a mini army of douchebags.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Poki on Oct 28, 2008, 10:36 AM
Quote from: laoganma
Stupid GMs.

Whut?

Quote from: Hutchy on Oct 28, 2008, 10:29 AM

They may want to be SUPER AWESOME COOL in front of everyone else (thus they keep pushing staffs' buttons and bending rules)

They call that cool? They should see me when I kill porings or use first aid as a merchant and drop sticky mucus.  Now that is cool.

But what can I say, we got haters in the internet.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 28, 2008, 04:29 PM
Quote from: Hutchy on Oct 28, 2008, 10:29 AM
"Stupid GMs", what a nice assumption to make. >_>

thank you.

Quote from: Poki on Oct 28, 2008, 10:36 AM
Quote from: laoganma
Stupid GMs.

Whut?

sorry if its too hard to understand  8)

Stupid is an adjective meaning lacking in intelligence.


Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 28, 2008, 04:57 PM
I know, but like I said before it doesn't make them stupid.

*copies and pastes from previous post*

QuoteDepending on the size of a server, it can be easy for a botter to slip through the cracks. That doesn't necessarily make the GMs stupid, it just makes them busy, or implies their attention is elsewhere. I've known some servers to have special GMs exclusively for bot-hunting, but generally it's a lot easier to manually track down bots if your server is small and you have a team of people who are paying attention to the damn server almost 24/7.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 28, 2008, 06:46 PM
laoganma you don't seem to understand

its easy to ban someone, but its even easier to set up a proxy server for them to come back on, i mean banning someone like that would cause a lot more problems with him coming back on a different proxy then letting him be
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Lore on Oct 29, 2008, 01:17 AM
Are you kidding me? You're trying to understand someone over the internet? What a fruitless quest. This is the web-there are no motives, no ambitions, no means or ends. There is no chance of piecing together intentions and goals. It is an anon world.

Why would you even bother thinking of what is running through another person's head online? Assume they're either all pedophiles or CIA agents.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 29, 2008, 03:37 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 28, 2008, 06:46 PM
laoganma you don't seem to understand

its easy to ban someone, but its even easier to set up a proxy server for them to come back on, i mean banning someone like that would cause a lot more problems with him coming back on a different proxy then letting him be

if its easy, just keep banning whenever you see him, if you let him be, in this case to the point where he doesnt really care of getting cought anymore, other players will think its ok to do those things in the server.

if you cant handle this one person as a GM or even worse, as server admin, you are just plain stupid, how players gonna trust you on keeping the server up?.

Quote from: Lore on Oct 29, 2008, 01:17 AM
Are you kidding me? You're trying to understand someone over the internet? What a fruitless quest. This is the web-there are no motives, no ambitions, no means or ends. There is no chance of piecing together intentions and goals. It is an anon world.

Why would you even bother thinking of what is running through another person's head online? Assume they're either all pedophiles or CIA agents.

Nicely said.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Skotlex on Oct 29, 2008, 06:47 AM
There was once this player in the forums who just loved testing our patience and the limits of our rules. He would look and post gigantic grotesque images all over the place, especially in the introduction threads.

Banning was no good, proxies are free for all.
The email requirement was no good, free email services exist all over the world.

A bunch of rules were applied afterwards, such as limiting the size of signatures and scaling down posted images. For the most part, the forum mods just erased his threads.

I remember the time I asked him what would he have against such a small server that has done nothing to him (in-game he had no punishments, as people could just choose to /ex him and they would hear no more of him). And his reply was a large image saying "I R BORED."

When you are against someone who has all the time in the world, and is bored, you are just not going to win. Just minimize damage and ignore him until he grows bored and goes away. He eventually got bored when he stopped being the talk of the forums :B I think he came online some months later, but not for long, and he broke no rules that time.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Loki on Oct 29, 2008, 07:22 AM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 29, 2008, 03:37 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 28, 2008, 06:46 PM
laoganma you don't seem to understand

its easy to ban someone, but its even easier to set up a proxy server for them to come back on, i mean banning someone like that would cause a lot more problems with him coming back on a different proxy then letting him be

if its easy, just keep banning whenever you see him, if you let him be, in this case to the point where he doesnt really care of getting cought anymore, other players will think its ok to do those things in the server.

if you cant handle this one person as a GM or even worse, as server admin, you are just plain stupid, how players gonna trust you on keeping the server up?.


How would you know if the player is the same person you banned if the player uses a proxy and created a new account? Guess-much? Oh, not to mention, played legit for a while and then cause havoc on the server?

Blargh...why do you keep side-tracking topics to GMs when its about players who sabotages their own server?
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Oct 29, 2008, 10:01 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 28, 2008, 06:46 PMits easy to ban someone, but its even easier to set up a proxy server for them to come back on

No.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: You on Oct 29, 2008, 05:21 PM
QuoteInsulting Servers You Play On

A great idea, I do it all the time.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 29, 2008, 06:46 PM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 29, 2008, 03:37 AM
if its easy, just keep banning whenever you see him, if you let him be, in this case to the point where he doesnt really care of getting cought anymore, other players will think its ok to do those things in the server.

if you cant handle this one person as a GM or even worse, as server admin, you are just plain stupid, how players gonna trust you on keeping the server up?.
my response to that is:
Quote from: Skotlex on Oct 29, 2008, 06:47 AM
Banning was no good, proxies are free for all.
The email requirement was no good, free email services exist all over the world.

Quote from: Anti-Static Foam Cleaner on Oct 29, 2008, 10:01 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 28, 2008, 06:46 PMits easy to ban someone, but its even easier to set up a proxy server for them to come back on

No.

i've done it before, if you know how to its not really too difficult...

Quote from: Loki on Oct 29, 2008, 07:22 AM
How would you know if the player is the same person you banned if the player uses a proxy and created a new account? Guess-much? Oh, not to mention, played legit for a while and then cause havoc on the server?
i talked to him so i know its him XD
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 30, 2008, 10:04 AM
I don't even know what's going on in this thread anymore XD

There's a certain level of maturity and understanding that one has to have in order to be a fair, successful GM imo (separate topic entirely, but yeah), and if the logic you operate by is indeed "Ban first, ask questions later", you're going to end up with an empty server.

If a player is doing something that is destructive to the environment - say, a GM is handing out perfect-refined items or something - then yeah, ban and ask questions later. But if someone is botting, you have to investigate (thus several servers having bot-specific teams on their staff). You have to observe the person's behavior and attempt to contact them. We're not so fortunate that bots just parade around servers with LOLIMABOT as their name, it doesn't work that way.

A player could have his chat windows closed, for instance, and that could be why he's ignoring PMs sent to him. I myself have known players that just don't care to speak to anyone else on the server unless they knew them beforehand, and they got accused of being bots because they wouldn't respond to anyone when spoken to. Were they banned? No, because GMs looked into it personally and just found him to be antisocial. XD There are several different measures to take when told to investigate someone who may be a bot, and if you don't bother to go through them, you may very well be banning a player.

Reiterating the original point, a GM is not stupid (whether lacking intelligence or intended as an insult) because a bot slips by them. Depending on the size of the server, the attention of its staff is often elsewhere. You can't hold events and botcheck at the same time, nor can you show new people how to play, or work on a technical issue. It's obvious to me that a lot of the people in this thread just don't understand how staffing an RO server works, because it's not always black and white. Actually, this applies to work IRL, too. I wonder how many people here have jobs.

:<
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: yC on Oct 30, 2008, 05:26 PM
This topic is getting way out of topic and getting finger pointing here and there.

JJJ you may want to clean up the mess of off-topic / insulting posts then reopen, or leave the topic locked.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 30, 2008, 06:41 PM
cleaned up the last few posts, hopefully people can remain ontopic =/
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 01:23 AM
Quote from: Loki on Oct 29, 2008, 07:22 AM
How would you know if the player is the same person you banned if the player uses a proxy and created a new account? Guess-much? Oh, not to mention, played legit for a while and then cause havoc on the server?

Blargh...why do you keep side-tracking topics to GMs when its about players who sabotages their own server?


you dont need to care if you banned the same person or not, if you see players using WPE in town, just ban, simple, im not talking about botting, 1st post never mention about botting at all, i dont even know why people starts talking about botting.  ???

Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 01:37 AM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 01:23 AM
Quote from: Loki on Oct 29, 2008, 07:22 AM
How would you know if the player is the same person you banned if the player uses a proxy and created a new account? Guess-much? Oh, not to mention, played legit for a while and then cause havoc on the server?

Blargh...why do you keep side-tracking topics to GMs when its about players who sabotages their own server?


you dont need to care if you banned the same person or not, if you see players using WPE in town, just ban, simple, im not talking about botting, 1st post never mention about botting at all, i dont even know why people starts talking about botting.  ???

We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 02:47 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 01:37 AM
We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.

im replying base on the 1st posts example, a player using WPE in town, and i never say anything about banning IPs, just ban accounts thats related to WPE, specially those that using it to spam in town, admin and his GMs should be able to handle this ONE person.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 31, 2008, 08:41 AM
It's hopeless, don't waste your time.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Skotlex on Oct 31, 2008, 08:42 AM
I know this is offtopic... and may be deleted at the moderator's decision, but really... Lao, change your signature.

Nothing tells me "pathetic low self-esteem" as loudly as such a huge signature in which basically you worship yourself.

I have nothing on-topic to say since I already gave my views on the issue, but I really could not let this post go unsaid. Apologies to whoever got offended by it, and cheers to whoever enjoyed it.

Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:53 AM
Quote from: Skotlex on Oct 31, 2008, 08:42 AM
I know this is offtopic... and may be deleted at the moderator's decision, but really... Lao, change your signature.

Nothing tells me "pathetic low self-esteem" as loudly as such a huge signature in which basically you worship yourself.

I have nothing on-topic to say since I already gave my views on the issue, but I really could not let this post go unsaid. Apologies to whoever got offended by it, and cheers to whoever enjoyed it.



Almighty Skotlex has pass judgement!

Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 02:47 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 01:37 AM
We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.

im replying base on the 1st posts example, a player using WPE in town, and i never say anything about banning IPs, just ban accounts thats related to WPE, specially those that using it to spam in town, admin and his GMs should be able to handle this ONE person.

A person who uses WPE and you just ban his account? Why not make another account when his IP isn't banned.

Actually, lets stop this. We've really gone from "Player Insulting Servers" into "Banning Rule-Breakers". Replying to the first post about an example and elaborating on it when it has nothing to do with the title isn't exactly on-topic btw.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Scars on Oct 31, 2008, 01:26 PM
Quote from: Skotlex on Oct 31, 2008, 08:42 AM
I know this is offtopic... and may be deleted at the moderator's decision, but really... Lao, change your signature.

Nothing tells me "pathetic low self-esteem" as loudly as such a huge signature in which basically you worship yourself.

I have nothing on-topic to say since I already gave my views on the issue, but I really could not let this post go unsaid. Apologies to whoever got offended by it, and cheers to whoever enjoyed it.



Totally Agreed.

Praise are for you to give to others, never to yourself.
Or your children >.>

@Topic

I gave my opinion guess not much more to say, other then most of the time insult shows defeat anyway, they insult cause they can't do anything else.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 03:34 PM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 02:47 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 01:37 AM
We could say the same about your statement, wasn't this topic about "insulting servers you play on". That's directly related to verbal abuse, sexual harassment, staff harassment, forum spamming and/or trolling and such. I don't see how WPE relates to "insulting a server you play on".

Besides, even if someone WPE'd in your server, you DO want to know who he is, more specifically, you do want to know his/her IP address because lord knows it's easy to walk a few blocks away from your house, install RO on a cyber-cafe and WPE all over again. Sooner or later you'll need to apply a correct range IP ban instead of banning the same person over and over from slightly different IPs.

im replying base on the 1st posts example, a player using WPE in town, and i never say anything about banning IPs, just ban accounts thats related to WPE, specially those that using it to spam in town, admin and his GMs should be able to handle this ONE person.

Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
...goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts...

In which case, using your logic of "ban first, ask questions later", you'd get nowhere since it is the same person just using alt accounts. No IP bans ever issued means he just makes a new account and WPEs all over again. Not to mention that your "solution" doesn't cover the other issues JJJ mentioned and I quote:

Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
...he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone...
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 05:22 PM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 03:34 PM
In which case, using your logic of "ban first, ask questions later", you'd get nowhere since it is the same person just using alt accounts. No IP bans ever issued means he just makes a new account and WPEs all over again. Not to mention that your "solution" doesn't cover the other issues JJJ mentioned and I quote...

like i said before just ban accounts thats related to WPE, unless you allow WPE for a certain "special" people then i have nothing more to say.

for other issues, if he say bad things (false claims) in server forum, just ban and state the reason unless of course saying bad things about your server is not breaking any forum rules then i have nothing more to say.

if he make up stuff to ruin your server reputation in other forum, speak up, provide some proof, write a good argument to counter all of his false claims. key word is "HONESTY"

@few posts above

please stop trolling and even worse, supporting troll with another troll.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Descent on Oct 31, 2008, 05:40 PM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 05:22 PM



like i said before just ban accounts thats related to WPE, unless you allow WPE for a certain "special" people then i have nothing more to say.

for other issues, if he say bad things (false claims) in server forum, just ban and state the reason unless of course saying bad things about your server is not breaking any forum rules then i have nothing more to say.

if he make up stuff to ruin your server reputation in other forum, speak up, provide some proof, write a good argument to counter all of his false claims. key word is "HONESTY"

@few posts above

please stop trolling and even worse, supporting troll with another troll.

@Offtopic note: Skotlex is not a troll. He's far from it.

On topic: He's actually right with this post. Somewhat.

Never mind, sorry, delete this post if you want.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 05:22 PM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 03:34 PM
In which case, using your logic of "ban first, ask questions later", you'd get nowhere since it is the same person just using alt accounts. No IP bans ever issued means he just makes a new account and WPEs all over again. Not to mention that your "solution" doesn't cover the other issues JJJ mentioned and I quote...

like i said before just ban accounts thats related to WPE, unless you allow WPE for a certain "special" people then i have nothing more to say.

for other issues, if he say bad things (false claims) in server forum, just ban and state the reason unless of course saying bad things about your server is not breaking any forum rules then i have nothing more to say.

if he make up stuff to ruin your server reputation in other forum, speak up, provide some proof, write a good argument to counter all of his false claims. key word is "HONESTY"

@few posts above

please stop trolling and even worse, supporting troll with another troll.

Related to WPE? Care to elaborate further? Are you saying that if a player said "I'm related to WPE" he should get banned? Or is it that every account under the IP of a WPEr should be banned? I honestly can't tell.

False claims can be rebutted without issuing a ban and, in my opinion, it is much better for the server and staff's image to prove a claim to be false prior to issuing any ban or punishment for that matter. Players would not like the view of someone making a claim -false or not- and getting instantly banned for it. After all, administrators provide that freedom of speech on their forums and it's just plain wrong to take them away whenever players complain, falsely or not.

The same applies for other forums, like here on RMS. You can just prove false claims to be false, provided that you have proper proof and, hey, you didn't need a ban to do that.

All I am saying is that dealing with troublemakers is much more complicated than endlessly swinging a ban hammer. At least, it is if you don't like to do a half-assed work as a GM.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Hutchy on Oct 31, 2008, 06:51 PM
@above post: thank you, this's what I've been getting at.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 06:59 PM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
Related to WPE? Care to elaborate further? Are you saying that if a player said "I'm related to WPE" he should get banned? Or is it that every account under the IP of a WPEr should be banned? I honestly can't tell.

again, i never said anything about banning IP, just ban any account thats cought using WPE.

Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
False claims can be rebutted without issuing a ban and, in my opinion, it is much better for the server and staff's image to prove a claim to be false prior to issuing any ban or punishment for that matter. Players would not like the view of someone making a claim -false or not- and getting instantly banned for it. After all, administrators provide that freedom of speech on their forums and it's just plain wrong to take them away whenever players complain, falsely or not.

request for proofs on false claims, ban for repeated false claims w/o proof, common sense.

Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
The same applies for other forums, like here on RMS. You can just prove false claims to be false, provided that you have proper proof and, hey, you didn't need a ban to do that.

exactly what i said...

@people that has nothing on topic to say, please stop trolling (to raise your post counts?)
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Oct 31, 2008, 07:12 PM
why does no one EVER listen to me when i tell them, making an account takes less then half a minute, IP ban's don't work if you use a proxy sever, email bans don't work because it takes 3 seconds to sign up and use a new email
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 06:59 PM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
Related to WPE? Care to elaborate further? Are you saying that if a player said "I'm related to WPE" he should get banned? Or is it that every account under the IP of a WPEr should be banned? I honestly can't tell.

again, i never said anything about banning IP, just ban any account thats cought using WPE.

Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
False claims can be rebutted without issuing a ban and, in my opinion, it is much better for the server and staff's image to prove a claim to be false prior to issuing any ban or punishment for that matter. Players would not like the view of someone making a claim -false or not- and getting instantly banned for it. After all, administrators provide that freedom of speech on their forums and it's just plain wrong to take them away whenever players complain, falsely or not.

request for proofs on false claims, ban for repeated false claims w/o proof, common sense.

Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
The same applies for other forums, like here on RMS. You can just prove false claims to be false, provided that you have proper proof and, hey, you didn't need a ban to do that.

exactly what i said...

@people that has nothing on topic to say, please stop trolling (to raise your post counts?)

What does banning have to do with the thread? Hypocrite-much?

@topic.

I think I have nothing more to say since I've already stated my opinion on why people insult servers they play on. I will quote myself:

Quote from: Loki on Oct 28, 2008, 09:46 AM
Its called Evolution.

They evolved from getting pissed because they got ban for breaking the rules to brainless freaks that wants to bring the server down. Although unsuccessfully.

And they would still play the server to recruit more players like them and learn more about the server and get inside news to fuel up any dramas.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 10:54 PM
Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM
What does banning have to do with the thread? Hypocrite-much?

1st post is talking about a rulebreaker.

stop asking, start reading... -much?

Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM

I think I have nothing more to say since I've already stated my opinion on why people insult servers they play on. I will quote myself:


way to go with the trolling
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 11:04 PM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 10:54 PM
Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM
What does banning have to do with the thread? Hypocrite-much?

1st post is talking about a rulebreaker.

stop asking, start reading... -much?

Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM

I think I have nothing more to say since I've already stated my opinion on why people insult servers they play on. I will quote myself:


way to go with the trolling

Let me quote the first post for you to read again. Why oh why do I waste my time doing this.

Quote from: JJJ on Oct 19, 2008, 02:59 PM
Okay, so why is it that on just about every server you go to you have these seemingly hatred fueled people that just want to kill the image of the server and watch it crash and burn. But, these players still play on that server and they participate in events, in war of emperium,  and etc. So why is it that these players play on the server, yet do just about everything in their power to kill it? So I just fail to understand that, you play there, you have gears there, you have money there, you have friends there, you have characters there, yet you want to kill it?

So just in case you guys  don't understand what I mean here's an example:

A player is on a server, he has a level 97 Whitesmith, and over 15 million zeny to his name, he is fully geared for war of emperium, and has more pots then he'll ever need. Then he repeatedly goes to other places, like the server's forums, and RMS, and creates posts that are meant to be nothing more then harmful, he also goes on alt characters to do things like spam in Prontera, and WPE drop arrows and other annoying acts, he also tells new players to leave, in a not so kind manner and he insults just about everyone. But here's the thing, he still plays there everyday, with his friends and his guild, yet everyday he does everything in his power to hurt the server.


So can someone explain why some people feel the need to do this?



Oh, and the "He's trying to change the server" excuse doesn't work, because he's willing to state that he just wants the place to die

I don't see 3J posting "So can someone explain how to ban this nut-job?"
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 11:13 PM
Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 11:04 PM
I don't see 3J posting "So can someone explain how to ban this nut-job?"

doesnt say anything about "do not talk about banning this nut-job" either.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 11:28 PM
Its still off-topic. Oh for god sakes why do I even bother. COMMON SENSE!

Quotespeechless i see, reversing what i posted all you got left.

Wut?
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Irrelevant on Nov 01, 2008, 12:59 AM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 06:59 PM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
Related to WPE? Care to elaborate further? Are you saying that if a player said "I'm related to WPE" he should get banned? Or is it that every account under the IP of a WPEr should be banned? I honestly can't tell.

again, i never said anything about banning IP, just ban any account thats cought using WPE.

Again, as long as you don't issue an IP ban, whoever is doing it can just make a new account and do it again. Since we already established that in this hypothetical situation that the culprit is using an alt account, then he isn't losing anything by getting random alts banned.

Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 06:59 PM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Oct 31, 2008, 05:55 PM
False claims can be rebutted without issuing a ban and, in my opinion, it is much better for the server and staff's image to prove a claim to be false prior to issuing any ban or punishment for that matter. Players would not like the view of someone making a claim -false or not- and getting instantly banned for it. After all, administrators provide that freedom of speech on their forums and it's just plain wrong to take them away whenever players complain, falsely or not.

request for proofs on false claims, ban for repeated false claims w/o proof, common sense.

Then again, you didn't state that you would ban on first, second or third instance of breaking a rule, let alone that you didn't state that the culprit was, hypothetically, repeatedly making false claims about the server.

Quote from: JJJ on Oct 31, 2008, 07:12 PM
why does no one EVER listen to me when i tell them, making an account takes less then half a minute, IP ban's don't work if you use a proxy sever, email bans don't work because it takes 3 seconds to sign up and use a new email

In which case, all you can do is ban whenever you identify the culprit. With time they get bored of making accounts.

Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM
What does banning have to do with the thread? Hypocrite-much?

If the posts followed a logic order into the current discussion, I see nothing wrong with it continuing.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Skotlex on Nov 01, 2008, 07:54 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Nov 01, 2008, 12:59 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 31, 2008, 07:12 PM
why does no one EVER listen to me when i tell them, making an account takes less then half a minute, IP ban's don't work if you use a proxy sever, email bans don't work because it takes 3 seconds to sign up and use a new email

In which case, all you can do is ban whenever you identify the culprit. With time they get bored of making accounts.
I've played this game, it has no end, and the more you ban, the more they love playing their game (and the more casualties that your other players are likely to suffer). It is actually no different than feeding trolls.

This topic has pretty much finished its utility anyway, by now we all know that players don't need a reason beyond being immature  and bored, to spend countless hours into attempting to ruin a server, not even because they want to ruin it, but because it's entertaining them with something to do. Welcome to the Intrawebz.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Irrelevant on Nov 01, 2008, 04:40 PM
Quote from: Skotlex on Nov 01, 2008, 07:54 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant on Nov 01, 2008, 12:59 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Oct 31, 2008, 07:12 PM
why does no one EVER listen to me when i tell them, making an account takes less then half a minute, IP ban's don't work if you use a proxy sever, email bans don't work because it takes 3 seconds to sign up and use a new email

In which case, all you can do is ban whenever you identify the culprit. With time they get bored of making accounts.
I've played this game, it has no end, and the more you ban, the more they love playing their game (and the more casualties that your other players are likely to suffer). It is actually no different than feeding trolls.

This topic has pretty much finished its utility anyway, by now we all know that players don't need a reason beyond being immature  and bored, to spend countless hours into attempting to ruin a server, not even because they want to ruin it, but because it's entertaining them with something to do. Welcome to the Intrawebz.

Amen.

Though I've seen the contrary happen with constantly banning troublemakers, eventually they grow bored of the monotony.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Descent on Nov 02, 2008, 12:49 AM
Quote from: laoganma on Oct 31, 2008, 10:54 PM
Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM
What does banning have to do with the thread? Hypocrite-much?

1st post is talking about a rulebreaker.

stop asking, start reading... -much?

Quote from: Loki on Oct 31, 2008, 08:09 PM

I think I have nothing more to say since I've already stated my opinion on why people insult servers they play on. I will quote myself:


way to go with the trolling

Lao.

YOU ARE NOT A MODERATOR, SO YOU CAN STOP WITH THE BACKSEAT MODERATING NOW. I THINK JJJ, POW, YC, AND RIOTBLADE ARE FULLY CAPABLE OF DOING THEIR JOBS. THANK YOU.

Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Nov 02, 2008, 01:05 AM
laoganma, every time you say "don't troll", "don't flame", that's trolling in it self, because in saying so your accusing the person of being a flamer and, or a troller. Descent, you could have done without the caps lock there.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Loki on Nov 02, 2008, 01:08 AM
Quote from: JJJ on Nov 02, 2008, 01:05 AM
laoganma, every time you say "don't troll", "don't flame", that's trolling in it self, because in saying so your accusing the person of being a flamer and, or a troller. Descent, you could have done without the caps lock there.

Its a lost cause. But meh, everyone can try.

I think most of us has posted their opinions regarding this thread. I suggest you lock this topic 3J.
Title: Re: Insulting Servers You Play On
Post by: Guest on Nov 02, 2008, 01:11 AM
sigh i guess.... honestly i had hopes that i wouldn't have to, but i can tell this topic's pretty much lived its life spawn and is just going down hill from here