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Offline Antipathy

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #135 on: Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 am »
RockyBalbao's screenshots were pretty obviously faked.

Not only does the first message's posting name say "Hyper" (you can see the bottom), the poster's display name doesn't, implying the chat's just been copy-pasted into the window.

On the second one, the font and colour isn't Alex's, and the screenshot is covered with patchy white areas. The f*** indent on the left side is completely different to the way MSN messages actually look, you moron, you've obviously just pasted a block of text (poorly) into a blank window.

Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.

What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 04:53 am by Antipathy »

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Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #135 on: Jan 25, 2008, 04:46 am »

Offline Merc

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #136 on: Jan 25, 2008, 04:48 am »
I was going to try to stay out of this thread but it looks like some people just won't have that.

I find it particularly amusing how the font color of the person talking to "Josh" in the first "screen shot" is the same color as the ENTIRE "conversation" between "Alex" and "Josh".

I'd like to take this time to point out that my font color is red on MSN, not pink.

Word to the wise: When photo-shopping something with malicious intent, at least make it believable. With my help I'm sure you can come up with something more believably slanderous.

EDIT: OH, I had a great idea. Can the next photo shop you guys do include me talking to the president? Not Bush. I was thinking more along the lines of Lincoln or Washington.
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 04:51 am by Merc »

Offline Reero

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #137 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:10 am »

Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
yup, we don't have to be here
What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
no wonder we did

anyhow, even ignoring RockyBalbao's screen shot, there are still two very valid proof from Butters and the GM have yet to answer DrivenbyHate's post. Don't forget, these forum serves as a indicator of how good a server is, (not photoshop) it is for new comers to evaluate whether or not he/she should join that server.
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 05:20 am by Reero »

Offline Kikadper

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #138 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:17 am »
Just a quick response to RockyBalboa's post, the screenshot clearly stated Crono bans all who oppose him.

I see no Divine or Paw banned after recent situations on forums.

Just a quick note to show it's not corruption right there.

Edit : You know, thinking about it, I would have done the same thing Marc did.

And I would have done it to the people badmouthing me. It's disrespect that isn't justified.

Just angry teens and one old dude.
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 05:20 am by Kikadper »

Offline Antipathy

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #139 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:22 am »

Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
yup, we don't have to be here
What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
no wonder we did

anyhow, even ignoring RockyBalbao's screen shot, there are still two very valid proof from Butters and the GM have yet to answer DrivenbyHate's post.

I don't care what you think about myths of server corruption, as long as people don't go posting faked screenshots to try and frame an innocent person; that's just despicable.

Also, the fact that you think Crono has to answer you is amusing. What exactly is it you people imagine the admin of a free server owes you? The server would be far better off without the lot of you, I hope he doesn't explain himself so you can all stay pissed and play somewhere else.

Offline Raladon

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #140 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:37 am »
People makes mistakes.

People get banned.

However, if people also show that they're capable of refraining from trouble, and makes one mistake, would you say it's unforgivable?

A person who stepped into a server for a week and breaks the rules. This shows his intelligence nearing the level of a potato. Yes, he will be ruthlessly banned.

A person who has played the server for over 2 years, helped countless people, become an integral part of the community breaks a rule. Does that exempt the person from punishment? No. But with the knowledge of her capability, leniency is shown because while potatoes come and go, good players are a rarer breed. Punishment is enacted, but on a lighter scale, since they are more capable than potatoes to realise their mistakes.

It's not called corruption. It's called human.


To hell with the OMGTHEREMUSTBEFAIRNESSMUST -insert extreme punishment- HER

because that'd only lead to OMGYUBANHERANDNOTHIMTOO

and a vicious cycle.


Deliverance had a guild called Crystal Horizon, which has undeniably the largest amount of extreme levelled characters, BLs and sub GMs in one guild. Naturally it would amount to respect, admiration, but also suspicion and envy from the rest of the population, with such a "powerhouse" around.

CH was in no wrong, neither was Divine or Paw Alliance. What they all had in common was strong bonds between guildmembers. Hence, when one person reported/flamed another of a different guild, all hell breaks loose.

Frankly, just try and forgive each other. History has taught us in more than one way what happens when politicians flame too much without learning tolerance and forgiveness.


Marc has more than sufficiently addressed the most serious issues of "corruptions" and answered many doubts, what I see happening now is people resorting to photoshopp'ed [EDIT] I was just told those ain't photoshopped. Those are MSpainted. meh.[/edit] screenies and still fanning flames where it has died out.

Please, people.
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 05:44 am by Raladon »

Offline Lala

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #141 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:40 am »
First of all, Raladon:
+1

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Okay, I have to admit I stopped reading at page 3, because it was just too ridiculus and not worth reading on.

We are all mature people, aren't we?

Why not turn off your pc for an hour or two, go outside and take a deep breath? =/
This is just a game and there are still many people left who enjoy dRO. It's not dead.

All of you act like little, imature children in a sandbox, throwing sand at each other. Seriously, grow up and think twice before posting. >:

Does it make you feel better when you can flame other people and „ruin“ a server? What kind of world do I live in? How sad.

Offline RockyBalboa

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #142 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:42 am »
Hold the phone. I never photoshopped any screenies. This person is friends with the LK who sold his account. She messaged me on msn all upset because our friends got banned and here Merc/Alex is clearly breaking the rules. So she copied and pasted their chat into mine. The best I can show you is our chat logs which I'm glad I saved. If you want I can provide the full screenie with me and Josh's chat if you like also.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.

*Edit*
Wow...that's tiny.

Offline Antipathy

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #143 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:46 am »
I never photoshopped any screenies.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.

Funny that. You've never edited anything, except for, oh, when you edited them.

And the conversation shown was clearly copy-pasted trash, all it shows is one person saying "look at this" and then showing you supposed conversation copy-pasted in. That's very editable. The indent proves it, stop flogging a dead horse. Also, naming the "anonymous" chat image "Copy of Rai's Chat" wasn't so smart.

Edit: Who're you protecting, your computer clock?
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 05:49 am by Antipathy »

Offline Merc

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #144 on: Jan 25, 2008, 05:58 am »
Sage advice indeed, Raladon.

Rocky, I'm sorry your friends have been banned. I really am. I have not made but, I'm fairly certain, one reporting post since my having joined Deli when it started in 2005. I have no desire to hurt anyone and I never will. As someone who has seen many friends go you have my deepest sympathies.

While we share a common loss I ask you: Why do you feel the need to try and bring me down? Have I offended you? Have I, by simple station of guild, brought down the need for punishment on myself? I have felt jealous of many people on more than one occasion. I have been outraged on behalf of friends on even more. What I haven't done is attack someone personally with the hopes I can do away with them.

I suppose if you really are in this to hurt me than my efforts are wasted and I won't continue to discredit you any further. My only request is that I be the last. The founding days of deli, when people played in harmony with one another, should be more than just a memory. Only through cooperation and mutual understanding can we achieve harmony once again. Everyone should have the chance to relive that memory.
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 06:17 am by Merc »

Offline PuffsUltra

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #145 on: Jan 25, 2008, 06:02 am »
Faking conversations is very difficult. As demonstrated by this total real conversation someone sent me:



I'm not really in this to gain anything. s*** like this just amuses me. I haven't played this server in months and I'm not a fan of either side. But just f*** get over it and stop photoshopping. It's really easy to tell even from a neutral standpoint.

Offline RockyBalboa

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #146 on: Jan 25, 2008, 06:05 am »
I was protecting Rai, Ana. Sadly, I should have protected her better...
I was protecting her from people like you who say things about her on msn like..."Go die in a fire Rai-chan".

And my clock could indicate my time zone, therefor I hide it.

He cheated, you know it, and you are covering for him. Period. Josh said it in our chat.

As much as I love arguing over the internet(sarcasm), I will have to wait until tomorrow. I should sleep.

Until tomorrow.

Offline Zone

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #147 on: Jan 25, 2008, 06:11 am »
What I really want to say is, people who said they are leaving Deliverance, leave it. Leave it alone, do your own thing, because if you're still lurking around causing trouble, it just shows immaturity. You said you're leaving, you posted your reasons, move on. We're done with you, so you should be done with us, as well.
He can post to report it, it is server discussion for a reason.
RockyBalbao's screenshots were pretty obviously faked.

Not only does the first message's posting name say "Hyper" (you can see the bottom), the poster's display name doesn't, implying the chat's just been copy-pasted into the window.mind pointing that out in a red circle? I don't see that anywhere.

On the second one, the font and colour isn't Alex's, and the screenshot is covered with patchy white areas. The f*** indent on the left side is completely different to the way MSN messages actually look, you moron, you've obviously just pasted a block of text (poorly) into a blank window.1. People modify msn, I modify my own. 2. People can modify their text size, color, and font.

Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
You don't have to reply, they can post all they want. So if anyone needs to 'GTFO', that would be you.

What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
A server that goes against it's own rules? They can say they didn't break them all they want. If you don't like this topic, you can leave, it's as simple as a 2-key combination. Alt+F4
I was going to try to stay out of this thread but it looks like some people just won't have that.
No one said you had to stay in or out, or even look at this topic.
I find it particularly amusing how the font color of the person talking to "Josh" in the first "screen shot" is the same color as the ENTIRE "conversation" between "Alex" and "Josh".

I'd like to take this time to point out that my font color is red on MSN, not pink.
Not saying you did say that, but you can change every little thing about text and how it is displayed on msn, even override the other user's fonts. I have seen a couple of programs a while back that did that, maybe a year ago.
You know, thinking about it, I would have done the same thing Marc did.

And I would have done it to the people badmouthing me. It's disrespect that isn't justified.
If you don't like people saying negative things about you, then you need to cut yourself off from society and humanity. People will say negative things all they want about you, it doesn't matter if it is disrespectful, they aren't hurting you with their words are they?
Just angry teens and one old dude.
I don't care what you think about myths of server corruption, as long as people don't go posting faked screenshots to try and frame an innocent person; that's just despicable. If they are fake, then ignore them, simply post that they are fake, and give actual proof, not words.

Also, the fact that you think Crono has to answer you is amusing. What exactly is it you people imagine the admin of a free server owes you? The server would be far better off without the lot of you, I hope he doesn't explain himself so you can all stay pissed and play somewhere else.He doesn't have to answer anyone, he could drop the server and do as he pleases. However, those things called donations, umm...yeah, that is what keeps the server up, so he may want to keep justify his actions and show proof of how the others are lying and showing how they are lying. No one is pissed here, lol, the last few posters have been using foul language, that is a main sign of irritation. Just for the record, most of the people who posted about the server do play another server.
Don't take this as me being against anyone, this is just the simple facts, and if you want to post with an attitude, I can post the same way, without using foul language.
I never photoshopped any screenies.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.

Funny that. You've never edited anything, except for, oh, when you edited them.
You know what he means, don't try twisting one's words around to make them what they are not.
And the conversation shown was clearly copy-pasted trash, all it shows is one person saying "look at this" and then showing you supposed conversation copy-pasted in. That's very editable. The indent proves it, stop flogging a dead horse. Also, naming the "anonymous" chat image "Copy of Rai's Chat" wasn't so smart.
1. where do you see that. 2. people make copies a lot. I make copies as backups.
Edit: Who're you protecting, your computer clock?
I personally use programs that I don't want people seeing, and for good reason. Firewalls, antivirus clients, network mods, stuff like that. This person could have just been looking at porn, or using a p2p program.
@Lara, at 6 AM in the morning? No air for me ;<
@Puff, please remove your profanity before you get warned. Specifically 'Sh*t' and 'F*cking'
@Rocky, why would you cover your timezone?

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Offline Antipathy

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #148 on: Jan 25, 2008, 06:43 am »
RockyBalbao's screenshots were pretty obviously faked.

Not only does the first message's posting name say "Hyper" (you can see the bottom), the poster's display name doesn't, implying the chat's just been copy-pasted into the window.mind pointing that out in a red circle? I don't see that anywhere.



Look at the top arrow. You can see the bottom of the letters of the chat-name, and it looks like the bottom of the word "Hyper", this makes sense considering it's Josh's character. Look at the second arrow, Josh is using the display name "Josh". The blacked-out display name isn't long enough (see the top arrow) to be the one blocked out in the screenshots. The display name at the top (first arrow) is always the display name in the window of the person sending the IM in MSN.

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On the second one, the font and colour isn't Alex's, and the screenshot is covered with patchy white areas. The f*** indent on the left side is completely different to the way MSN messages actually look, you moron, you've obviously just pasted a block of text (poorly) into a blank window.1. People modify msn, I modify my own. 2. People can modify their text size, color, and font.



When you look at an ordinary MSN window, the text that you type and send is indented on the left-hand side. The display name, however, isn't, as you can see in the first screenshot. In the second (posted above), all of the text is the same font face and colour for both parties, which would only happen if both parties strangely were using purple Comic Sans. Only the font size for both parties is controlled by one user.

This, and the last one he just posted, prove that this "log" is actually just a screenshot taken of one person copy-pasting text into the window and pushing enter - not a screenshot of an actual IM taking place. The copy-pasted text was typed into the ordinary text area and sent, and thus could have been fabricated entirely or edited just for fun.

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Whoever went to such lengths needs to stop whining, and start living. If you don't like the server, brilliant, GTFO and join somewhere else. It's a win-win situation; we don't have to listen to pathetic, jealous, petty little idiots complain because a free server providing them with thousands of hours of free entertainment isn't sculpted to be their ideal utopia, and you don't have to be here.
You don't have to reply, they can post all they want. So if anyone needs to 'GTFO', that would be you.

They haven't just been posting here; they've been posting on the server forums, on other server forums, and in guild forums. You'd think with the amount of energy expended complaining about one server they could find another and move on.

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What on earth makes you think you have the right to dictate how a server should or should not be run? The guy who makes the rules decides whether they're broken or not. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh pretty, pretty please.
A server that goes against it's own rules? They can say they didn't break them all they want. If you don't like this topic, you can leave, it's as simple as a 2-key combination. Alt+F4

They didn't go against the rules. Marc wrote the rule and thus he is the one best qualified to determine its clarity, loopholes, intention and application. Furthermore, the people complaining were demanding that Terri be punished for the supposed rule-breaking more harshly than a member who wasn't in CH and the victim of a witch-hunt would ordinarily have been.

I was going to try to stay out of this thread but it looks like some people just won't have that.
No one said you had to stay in or out, or even look at this topic.

Well, people were fabricating screenshots and accusing him of rulebreaking, I'd say that deserved a look-in.

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I find it particularly amusing how the font color of the person talking to "Josh" in the first "screen shot" is the same color as the ENTIRE "conversation" between "Alex" and "Josh".

I'd like to take this time to point out that my font color is red on MSN, not pink.
Not saying you did say that, but you can change every little thing about text and how it is displayed on msn, even override the other user's fonts. I have seen a couple of programs a while back that did that, maybe a year ago.

This is true, other IM clients do that. However, the person is clearly using MSN as you can see from the windows. Also, the indent could not be changed, and his last screenshot shows that Rai was just copy-pasting directly into the chatbox.

I don't care what you think about myths of server corruption, as long as people don't go posting faked screenshots to try and frame an innocent person; that's just despicable. If they are fake, then ignore them, simply post that they are fake, and give actual proof, not words.

The words should have been obvious enough, I pointed out what was wrong with the images. Simple observation should suffice. In any case, there's more coherent proof^

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Also, the fact that you think Crono has to answer you is amusing. What exactly is it you people imagine the admin of a free server owes you? The server would be far better off without the lot of you, I hope he doesn't explain himself so you can all stay pissed and play somewhere else.He doesn't have to answer anyone, he could drop the server and do as he pleases. However, those things called donations, umm...yeah, that is what keeps the server up, so he may want to keep justify his actions and show proof of how the others are lying and showing how they are lying. No one is pissed here, lol, the last few posters have been using foul language, that is a main sign of irritation. Just for the record, most of the people who posted about the server do play another server.
Don't take this as me being against anyone, this is just the simple facts, and if you want to post with an attitude, I can post the same way, without using foul language.

I tend to get an "attitude" when I see someone trying to set up a friend for no good reason and get them in trouble on a server they actually like to play. The people demanding proof are the ones who have no intention of playing on the server, so Marc owes them no such explanation.

The only allegation which had any proof behind it led Marc to demoting his good friend and co-Admin, the only other person who could help out with the bulk of the server work he's laden with. He should be praised for acting on the evidence when it arrived, not penalised.

I never photoshopped any screenies.
There was no photoshopping done.
And to protect people, i've blocked things out.

Funny that. You've never edited anything, except for, oh, when you edited them.
You know what he means, don't try twisting one's words around to make them what they are not.
And the conversation shown was clearly copy-pasted trash, all it shows is one person saying "look at this" and then showing you supposed conversation copy-pasted in. That's very editable. The indent proves it, stop flogging a dead horse. Also, naming the "anonymous" chat image "Copy of Rai's Chat" wasn't so smart.
1. where do you see that. 2. people make copies a lot. I make copies as backups.

1. It's the name of the image, save it, or look at the link. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4892/copyofraischat1mc6.png
2. I don't care about the "copy" part, I was pointing out the fact that he named the person who gave him the text in the filename, despite going to lengths to keep it anonymous.
« Last Edit: Jan 25, 2008, 06:49 am by Antipathy »

Offline Raladon

Re: Deliverance Online Corruption.
« Reply #149 on: Jan 25, 2008, 06:54 am »
I believe it doesn't have to do with maturity, no matter the person's age/maturity level, emotion and conviction to stand his ground can affect his logic/reasoning.

What I plead everyone to do is to think about this:

If you're accusing something, what do you hope to achieve? That the truth be exposed, tyrants overthrown, conspiracies revealed, world peace? No, you're just pointlessly blowing every crack and nook in the server, and harming a few hundred other players who have nothing to do with this other than to enjoy a server whose flaws does not affect them.

If you're defending something, what do you hope to achieve? That the instigator of said accusations would admit defeat, and change sides? Ideal, but unfortunately, utopian. What you can do, instead, is not become one of them in turning around and accusing them back of their own mistakes. Point out their inaccuracies objectively, not insult and flame. You'll find it wonderously effective.


I love deliverance. While it has it's flaws, so does every server. What we should appreciate is that there is actions to reduce or eliminate them. As long as that exists, I'll still love it. And I'm not alone.