Deliverance Online Corruption.

[Zone]

I just feel sorry for the server owner or whomever has to deal with whining kids like this everyday 

That is part of having a server, if you want to have a server, you are going to have to deal with people who whine like this everyday. (unless it is a real private server, where only the invited friends can play.)

[MrrgleCaek]

Ugh, trust me, I've had my share with whining myself with my server...just not to this degree that DeliveranceRO is facing, that's why I felt really bad, I prolly would've gone absolutly mad if I dealt with what DeliveranceRO is >_<;.

[Zone]

I would simply ignore them.
If they want to make a scene, let them, they are just showing their immaturity.
If they post here saying bad stuff, provide chat logs and screenshots, and links if necessary.
Other than that, tell them to post something that actually matters.

[MoonlightShadow]

I would simply ignore them.
If they want to make a scene, let them, they are just showing their immaturity.
If they post here saying bad stuff, provide chat logs and screenshots, and links if necessary.
Other than that, tell them to post something that actually matters.

Exactly, which is why it seems suspecious that they are trying to prove themselves rather too hardly. Its like a government killing someone who just releashed important information out to public. Its too suspecious.

[Zone]

I would simply ignore them.
If they want to make a scene, let them, they are just showing their immaturity.
If they post here saying bad stuff, provide chat logs and screenshots, and links if necessary.
Other than that, tell them to post something that actually matters.

Exactly, which is why it seems suspecious that they are trying to prove themselves rather too hardly. Its like a government killing someone who just releashed important information out to public. Its too suspecious.

Lol, I gather information before I make reports all the time, and I mean thoroughly.
Government killing someone released important info to the public, the only reason they would is if it is information at a top secret or even higher confidentiality, because it would be catastrophic to the government if someone knew that info, that shouldn't. Such information is why the FBI has been researching me, as I am going to be actually handling that kind of information.

[Mewi]

I really do not understand why people see this as drama,  drama would involve a lot more yelling, insult throwing and other useless garbage.  For the most part this thread has been peaceful and informative.  Sure not all information is correct but this certainly is not a topic of 'whining' and 'e-drama'  .   Maybe the events that happened on dro contained them, but this thread is just going through that history.  It does not appear to have any real signs that some of the more defensive players claim.

But that is just my opinion.

[Zone]

It died ; - ;
But now a new topic, a friend just told me about ScytheRO being hacked by some Russians.

[Cheng]

Well, I suppose it's good that this topic hasn't died before I ventured upon it (it's in Google).
I was the first player to ever log into Deliverance Online when it opened to the public way way back some 2 years ago.
Of course, as any regular player could attest, I've barely played for over the past year, logging some 10 hours total over the course of a year.
I'm not going to make any opinions since I've had no idea what's been going on in the server for a while.
I just had a comment to make on something I found ironic.
Didn't we, the Day One players, start up Deliverance Online because we wanted to leave another server that was corrupt and slowly dying? Because of a GM there who was leeching our money and not using it to support the server who we all loved to bash (Nau...something. I don't remember >.>).
Oh History, you little bastard D:

Not that I'm saying Marc did any of this, since I haven't seen him for quite a while and can only judge him based on the first year I knew him, where he was a very hard worker who lost quite a lot of sleep trying to keep the server alive and growing.

I'ma stay neutral on this topic >.>

[Zone]

Lol, even google likes RMS.

[DrivenByTheHate]

Ill preface this by saying that, until recently, I have been one of the most active members of Deliverance, both in game and in the forums. (Hell, I have multiple thousands of posts in the forums by this point)

Essentially, when the latest issue went into view, most of the "mob" focused on Terri not being banned and missed some of the most important accusations.

The thing that bothers me is the double standards that exists in deliverance.

Let me preface my first argument by stating that it was stated on deliverance forums by a SubGM and confirmed by Marc that any dual-clienting other than to trade items was a punishable offense. Marc pm'd Terri stating that he had a valid dual client report on her. I know and have heard of many people banned for dual-clienting that did not get such a pm. Its things like that that makes people wonder. Why did she get the pm when others have not? Would it be because she came from Redemption? But Marc claims he does not know her, while serveral former players from redemption can attest to them knowing each other. So he has his emotion breakdown or w/e (Unprofessional btw) and perm bans her. Why would a "fair" GM follow mob rule? Even I, a memeber of Divine was extremely surprised she was actually perm banned. Then it was reduced. Another problem that arose from this is the fact taht a SubGM saw this happen. In fact, his request precipitated the dual client. What was done to him? Nothing really. Sure everyone saw that the  SubGM's were demoted, but there is not one soul on deliverance that believes that they will not get the power back in a week or so. Marc also went as far as to imply that a SubGM's work for the server takes away from any punishment they would have to receive.

Just a week before this event, two of the guild leaders from a guild were banned because someone from their Internet Cafe went on their account and spammed few pm's. Were they given the the benefit of the doubt? No. Were they perm banned? Yes. Were they from CH? No.

Marc's original explanation for why Terri should not be banned was that she was simply exploiting a loophole taht was not clear. Again, please read what i noted about the SubGM's and GM's explicitly posted about dual clienting. However, a few months ago, certain players decided to throw routine bravado insults indirectly at Chrystal Horizon (A lot were just implied insults with the actual words being referred toward themselves). They were not even jailed, but muted, and placed in izlude where they had their save point, and allowed to be constantly pk-ed. One particular member, was muted and eventually banned due to simple guilt by association.(Where is the innocent until proven guilty in that?) Then, they were immediately perm banned for making characters on a second account while their primary was banned. That rule was never stated explicitly. Yet they were perm banned. On the forums, they were perm-banned before they could defend themselves, with one being banned just after he revealed a gm item had found its way to the hands of a regular player....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/anna14la/patsgoodbye.jpg

Another situation involves Alex/Karushi, arguably the biggest donator to the server. He was perm banned for pk-ing in the arena. A rule that had been stated would lead to perm ban, with all precedents showing a per ban being the punishment. Yet, he was allowed back into the server, just a couple of months later. Could this be due to him and Marc being friends? As an izlude regular, Alex/Karushi didnt keep much back and openly bragged about his relationship with Marc and Jake at times. Why has his punishment arbitrarily reduced when others who begged to come back were rejected?

Its the dual standards that bother me.

As for Jake, Divine was the first guild to report him. There was never a reply. While, I admit a lot of some guilds got caught up in the mob effect, the basic facts remains the same. Was there favoritism present? You be the judge.

However, if this was deliverance, this would have been deleted long before. The "truth" simply cannot be handled apparently. I mean, is a secretive front really the best approach to showing innocence?

[Zone]

Finally a screenshot, got any more?
This is interesting /rice
Response from Crono?

[RockyBalboa]

I've played on Deli for over 2 years. Was awesome when I first started.
Then I began to notice things.
Started with Jake. Reported. Nothing happened. He left and I moved on.
Was good for a while, either that or I had my head up my butt.
But he came back. Then I noticed banned people were beginning to play. His gf had gotten banned for something but was back in game. Weird.
So I wasn't surprised to find out that he had been removed. I just thought it was about damn time.

But this latest incident made me sad. Maybe it was blown out of proportion some, but I know it was enough to make me quit along with 60-70 others. I just knew the rule that a sub gm stated back in Aug 2007 was really clear.
And as to Henhouse asking for a FCP in guild chat, well the screenie clearly shows he said it in public speak. I'm not denying he said it in guild chat also, but he walked right up to Karma and said FCP. Proof is in the screenie.

I was friends with 2 people who got perma banned. I'm not real sure as to why, but I've heard they were playing at a net cafe and stayed logged in and someone PMed people trying to sell some items for real money. They claimed to be innocent, but were banned.

Then I find out that a level 140 LK(max level is 140 so pretty Godly) is going to sell his account to a person we call Merc/Alex. Apparently he is a collector of level 140's. He says to my friend that the guild CH won't tell anyone. Now, this is a guild full of sub gms. Well this Merc/Alex person says he will pay this LK 350 dollars for his account. That seems illegal going on Deli's rules. And he knows it's illegal because he states that CH won't tell. So something doesn't add up there.

I took some screen shots of the conversations with the evidence. Some names are blocked to protect people.





And in the case with the sub gm cheating, I believe it was @warpto he abused in going to ice 3. When I was allied with the guild CH, one WoE the guild leader was next to me and said something similar to, "Get ready for Hen to POOF". I was confused by that, but then realized it was some sub gm command. Henhouse then landed right on top of the CH guild leader. First time I ever saw the @warpto command. I probably should have reported it then since it was obviously abusing power, but I failed.
He abused his power only to get an advantage over another high wizard who was about to beat him to 140. My friend referred to it as a baseball player using steriods to beat a home run record. I found that fitting.

As long as you have players becoming sub gm's, people are always going to say they are corrupt. The temptation is there to cheat and they do.

Anyways, my two cents.

*Edit*
Just been informed it was @follow. So ignore the @warpto.

[Butters]

I wanna make driven's post a little bit more clear about one situation. The one where I and some friends got on another account, while our mains where banned. First of all the whole situation was handled poorly. I saw no report in the report section nor did anybody show us any proof we deserved our first banned. There was also mis info given by someone. In the topic with the screen shot Marc stated we got jailed before banned but it never happened. So after we felt our first ban unjust we made another account. Hell, a lot of people we know have done the same thing. So, We all got IP/perma banned, ALL of us...for playing on another account where it wasn't stated clearly in the rules. It wasn't in tell AFTER we were all IP banned did Marc look at the actual evidence and unbanned 3 people, who should have never been banned anyway with there little to no involvement. Where is the Innocent in tell proven guilty there? (Note I'm still IP and perma banned, someone stalked me and the other person and sent Marc 50 + screenshots with our conversations, it was mostly s*** talk yes..but MOST insults weren't directly said to anyone, just me and him talking). Eventually the rule was changed to you have to wait out your ban and not play on another account. Yet, a loophole but you don't see us with a reduced ban.

Also to note, my forum account was perma banned for no reason, just simply agreeing and posting in hot/fueled topic...I broke no forum rule though.

Now to the duel clienting thing again. There wouldn't have been an angry mob. Just Marc said he wasn't going to do anything because it was a loophole. That is what got people angry because they thought it was unfair and a clearly stated rule.

 I hear people saying Henhouse said he wanted FCP in guild chat but...in the screen shots I'm about to post...he did not. He was there, He knows karmas characters how hard is to miss in a near empty arena waiting room? Also ,Marc said that WoE was not going on. It was said in one of the now deleted topics about it. It clearly states Divine took a castle in the screen shots, and even in the PM report the person said WoE was going on. Did he simply over look it or what? I mean what would you believe?

http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screendeliverance1491ak6.jpg
http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screendeliverance150fp8.jpg

Karma and cilantro are the same person, and Hen was there as you can see by the screen shots. Other people have been banned for buffing why not her? Also, I'm go on the limb and say she was duel clienting a little longer then 15 secs. IF she truly just logged on to give him the buff, why sit down? why not log off? Hell people have been banned for duel clienting while they were looking for stuff they were gonna trade. Where it says in the rules you can trade.

Its crap like this that make people wonder. Just many people are afraid to speak out.

Edit-fixed a few mistakes.

[Zone]

Wow, very good, I like the fact you guys are actually posting screenshots.
Now, I want to see Marc's response. If you have any more proof, keep it coming.

[Kikadper]

Yeah, I signed up so everyone knows who I am, because I'm not a coward, and I don't care what people say.

I won't lie, I've been watching all of this since this the beginning, participated in the argument, seen the situation from both sides, agreed with people the side I'm on didn't agree with, and all that silly jazz.

But what bothers me is when you veer off topic SO much that you bring into account a private player. Let me assure you, that is not what Alex said, because when he was asked, he said he did not say that, and I believe him. He is a respected member of the deliverance community and it seems as though bloodthirsty people will do anything to bring down a great server that can survive perfectly fine without them.

What I really want to say is, people who said they are leaving Deliverance, leave it. Leave it alone, do your own thing, because if you're still lurking around causing trouble, it just shows immaturity. You said you're leaving, you posted your reasons, move on. We're done with you, so you should be done with us, as well.