Convenience

[Mushu]

I do not see where you're getting at with this.

Try to make it less about you and more about me.

But this reminds me of just a few days ago where I suggested @lvup and @item to be added onto servers for convenience. And this kid just gets off on a rant about his own personal encounters and trolls me. Talk about being rude.

Reminds me of this one time where I suggested on the forums that because Ninja suck in WoE they should get the @nuke command, but wait I didn't suggest that because there is a difference between convenience and idiocy.

I bet you would've suggested it anyways and run circles in your argument to prove that it is the right decision. Then, if any luck, you would sit down, take off your glasses, sigh, scratch your ass, drink your substitution beverage to alcohol (orange juice), concentrate all your mental power, shit yourself after, and finally realize that there is. a. difference. between. class imbalance and convenience. omg, rite?

And if the stars were to be align at that exact moment, if only, you might have come to realize the point I was trying to make earlier, and we probably wouldn't have this discussion. Other than that, its only you.

However,

Working with the constraints given is part of what makes games engaging, the more you remove constraints, the less fun and meaningful it is to do something ingame.

This fine individual, someone who have probably given more thought about this than you, is right. But both argument (The OP and Xico) in this thread is still valid, except yours.

Just as the OP said, these commands are less seen on 2-10 rate servers, but the higher the rates the higher chance they'll be on there. As I said previously, @storage in WoE is plain idiotic, but in PvM (except instances like endless tower), it's an acceptable command. @warp isn't that big of a deal either, but this command is usually seen on a few midrates, but mostly high rates. I don't see how any of these are imbalanced as I've played servers with and without both of them. Just because something changes the gameplay a bit doesn't make it, "omg, so imba... these people... they've been playing RO for a near decade and they got bored of going back to town when their storage is filled and having to use kafra/airship and then walking/flywinging 3-5 maps away from their warp." I can assure you that a large majority of the people on RMS at least find @warp/storage commands VERY different from @item (@lvlup isn't really too bad of an idea on a HR or WoE server as long as you have level caps). If you think @warp, @storage, @item, and @lvlup are comparable, then I. invite. you. to. watch. the. episode. of. south. park. that. is. about. SF. when. it. comes. to. RO. players. you. are. the. type. of. low. rate. player. that. enjoys. smelling. his. own. flatulence. (<-- No idea why I copied you with the retarded period structure but I want to be so much like you, please teach me how to be super close minded, thanks)

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e02-smug-alert

[leokimah]

I'm curious to why you think @storage in woe is idiotic? Please explain why you think this (though i can already guess what it is).

[Mushu]

Supplies are not meant to be endless, having endless supplies in WoE changes the strategies. Just Gravity adding in gym passes kind of pissed me off because it really helped profs as they now have 2000 more space to carry pots, before they had major problems as they could only get into 2-3 skirmishes before running out of pots and then having to deal their WS/Creos for more pots (they dont have endless pots either). Funny thing about gym passes as I have a theory about them too...

If a p.server implemented something that had gym pass effect (before Gravity even thought of it), all the hardcore vanilla RO fags would QQ and be all butthurt because they are so imba (which they are, but vanillas would argue against them just because they are "custom"), since they are an official item though, I haven't heard many people argue against them. Everyone criticizes Gravity when it comes to balance but in their eyes, an item that comes from Gravity is somehow more balanced than a custom. I am a low rate player too, but I feel that most lr players are the biggest hypocrites in the ro community.

[MeowyMeow]

Supplies are not meant to be endless, having endless supplies in WoE changes the strategies. Just Gravity adding in gym passes kind of pissed me off because it really helped profs as they now have 2000 more space to carry pots, before they had major problems as they could only get into 2-3 skirmishes before running out of pots and then having to deal their WS/Creos

Not to be endless? What rock are you living under bro? Do you even go with the times? Come on, dealing WS/Creos for items/supplies that's some iRO s*** that was 6 years ago or w/e. Even iRO's 3rd job WoE doesn't even have such s***, cmon. Having endless supplies changes the metagame? Are you a down or what. Maybe this is like Chojiro's brother or some s***. Chojiro has +4 variants, and now this dude says having endless supplies 'OMG SO HAX CHANGE GAMEPLAY NOOOO I WANT MY OLD GAMEPLAY BACK OF DEALING WS AND CHEMS IN WOE FOR SUPPLIES'.

Yeah sure.

[leokimah]

On a low rate i understand and get your point entirely, but on a 100% woe oriented server GvG's should NEVER be decided on who can ration the most supplies cause in return you get dull WoE's (oop the other guild wiped cause we out rationed them in woe supplies) c00l story. Look at servers like chronos3 and all it's clones, visionRO, standartRO, and gwRO this wasn't unbalanced at all or did it even come close to severely altering the meta game as you mentioned. WoE's have evolved into purely GvG's no one cares about who has what castle anymore in the end its down to whoever can out GvG the other. The longer GvG's last the better.

[Mushu]

Once I read +4 variants I jumped out my window and died. I hope you're not serious about someone having those. I admit, I am kind of out with "the times" but it does annoy me that some classes like whitesmith that are used as mules are just left out because of @storage.

[leokimah]

Yeah it makes me quite sad as well since i used to main a WS in WoE back when they were useful. Maybe gravity can come up with something to introduce into todays meta game, but the odds of that ever happening is little to none.

[l2ue]

Just as the OP said, these commands are less seen on 2-10 rate servers, but the higher the rates the higher chance they'll be on there. As I said previously, @storage in WoE is plain idiotic, but in PvM (except instances like endless tower), it's an acceptable command. @warp isn't that big of a deal either, but this command is usually seen on a few midrates, but mostly high rates. I don't see how any of these are imbalanced as I've played servers with and without both of them. Just because something changes the gameplay a bit doesn't make it, "omg, so imba... these people... they've been playing RO for a near decade and they got bored of going back to town when their storage is filled and having to use kafra/airship and then walking/flywinging 3-5 maps away from their warp." I can assure you that a large majority of the people on RMS at least find @warp/storage commands VERY different from @item (@lvlup isn't really too bad of an idea on a HR or WoE server as long as you have level caps). If you think @warp, @storage, @item, and @lvlup are comparable, then I. invite. you. to. watch. the. episode. of. south. park. that. is. about. SF. when. it. comes. to. RO. players. you. are. the. type. of. low. rate. player. that. enjoys. smelling. his. own. flatulence. (<-- No idea why I copied you with the retarded period structure but I want to be so much like you, please teach me how to be super close minded, thanks)

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e02-smug-alert

Lol. You need to back the fuck off because you're taking it way too personally. If anything, you come off more as an idiot than me.

[Mushu]

  I admit that we're both idiots.

[Sarin]

..and clowns. Your conversation was some amusing reading....