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Title: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 13, 2017, 10:45 AM
Hello everyone,

We would like to know how many people that know or don't know us would be interested in a potential new mid-rate server.
Given the fact that ro;restart and phro recently opened new pre-renewal official servers and the hype around them is pretty big we would like to know how high the demand for a new MR at the moment is.

Information I can give out:

Who we are:
We are known mid-rate developer/admins and had servers running under our names for 2-5 years.
So the majority of the MR players probably already played at least once on our server or should know who we are.
If you are not interested feel free to simply close the poll and/or leave your feedback in this topic.

Potential Staff:
- Daifuku: Administrator/Project Leader
- Shourei: Administrative Assistant/Head GM
- Nihad: Lead Developer/Content Developer
- Artemsis: Marketing Strategist/SEM Manager
- Seffi: Game Master/Forum Enforcement
- Akkori: Visual Developer

Link to Vote: https://goo.gl/forms/eQLzKzdyp6dwjtEW2
- Daifuku

[edited since there seemed to be lack of information]
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Shourei on Jul 13, 2017, 11:03 AM
I hope this is fine. Good luck /lv
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: SukiChii on Jul 13, 2017, 01:54 PM
I don't know who you are lol.
Also, what do you have in mind?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: jacobo_bobo on Jul 13, 2017, 04:10 PM
Oh lord..lol..

Again?...

You have a talent for graphics, you have passion, but I don't think you have what it takes to make a "successful" server.

Why?

I don't think you have a clear idea of what you want on a server. I think you lean towards whatever you "think" players want and you flip flop left and right..

Yes, it's good to listen your players...its not good to change things whenever players ask you to change something.

Find out what type of server you want to run and stick to it. There is room to mold things according to the community but don't mold it so much that you lose focus on the type of server you want to run.

Players all want different things and you can't please them all. Attempting to please them all will just push them all away.

Best of luck, I personally think you should just stick to freelancing or developing for another server but to each their own.

(This is constructive criticism, nothing personal at all. I hope it is useful to you.)
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 13, 2017, 04:21 PM
I don't think you have a clear idea of what you want on a server. [/i]

And you make this assumption based on? If you make it based on Elaria Woon Reloaded you should keep in mind that I was not the only in charge and decisions were made together with majority of the community.
We changed the entire server because we wanted to do it after the attempt of a hybrid server failed back in 2016. Not because players asked us to.
Well, there's that regarding "you flip flop left and right/change things whenever players ask you to".

Thank you for your compliment regarding my freelancer work but it is just one of the minor talents I have and according to the current stats of the poll, most people know that.  /no1
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Satos on Jul 13, 2017, 06:42 PM
I agree, you're very talented.
And I also agree that major changes, once a server is already established, will drive away your player base.

I'd more than welcome a new good mid-rate.  And I look forward to playing on yours.  /no1

With the experience you've had in the past, I think you probably have a good idea of what most stable players look for. (If anyone is considered stable these days.)

Speaking in the most positive attitude possible, please just get a solidified idea of how you want about 98% your server before launching.
Too many servers are making changes on the fly, and they dry up shortly after.
I think everyone wants to see a midrate that succeeds for years.

Best of luck to you.  I look forward to your official announcement.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: misterj on Jul 13, 2017, 06:48 PM
oh.. rip me and ashley i guess :<
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 13, 2017, 06:53 PM
Why even ask if you aren't doing this out of your own initiative.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: misterj on Jul 13, 2017, 09:04 PM
whats the point of making a server no one's interested in?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 13, 2017, 11:11 PM
whats the point of making a server no one's interested in?

You don't make a server no one is interested in, but there are plenty of reasons for making a server, i.e. making money from donations or building the ideal ragnarok online.

If you can't even take the initiative to make the server on your own, then why even bother asking whether players are interested? OP isn't doing anyone a favor when the server gets shutdown because players aren't interested anymore. Besides the point, what makes OP so special anyways?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 14, 2017, 04:46 AM
Best of luck to you.  I look forward to your official announcement.
Thank you! /kis

If you can't even take the initiative to make the server on your own, then why even bother asking whether players are interested? OP isn't doing anyone a favor when the server gets shutdown because players aren't interested anymore. Besides the point, what makes OP so special anyways?

The thought of asking is an initiative.

Knowing if and how many people would join your potential server (despite not knowing much details) is useful information.
Research is an essential part of marketing. You don't try to sell a product to the world without knowing if there is even a demand for it, right?

I'm unsure how questioning "what making me so special" relate to this topic.
This is just one of my approach to a potential project. If someone have any comments, they are free to post them here.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Duckshooter on Jul 14, 2017, 08:03 AM
I'd give it a try for sure. 

I agree that changing major things after the server went live will increase the amount of people leaving.

I'd be definitely interested if you manage to keep the server interesting with hunting quests and other small things to do to keep players busy and get little rewards (or a carrot on the stick method for bigger rewards). Too many mid-rate servers are boring after you got some level 99s and some gear because there's nothing to do and that's the real challenge. If done correctly you could even keep players active that dont love every single other feature of the server.

- KampfKeks <3
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bottles on Jul 14, 2017, 09:53 AM
I'm not sure why people are saying that making all those changes on your previous server was mistake. You had (at best) 20-40 total active players prior to the changes, then immediately following them, the server had gone to well over 110+ players. The primary reason the server died so fast was that World's End event that Nihad put in while Dai was on vacation (also without discussing it with the community). Where normally, GM's shouldn't have to ask the server if they can implement things, however when it comes to an event that(when failed) would wipe the server; I feel that needs some kind of deliberation.

So long story short, still listen to players suggestions.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: neilpatrick on Jul 14, 2017, 10:12 AM
Hi there Daifuku, I once played your server tho it is a low rate (ElariaRO), I know this is out of topic and I am aware that you would like to make a new mid rate server. So what I am really trying to say is that you are a great Administrator, lots of people were sad when the server you were hosting was closed. I bid you goodluck in your plans, looking forward to it too.

BTW I voted Yes  /heh

*ElariaRO - icee
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: snakeside on Jul 14, 2017, 10:33 AM
I will give it a go if it is a 99/70 pre-renewal server with renewal instances
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Yuzo on Jul 14, 2017, 10:50 AM
you should loan ur services out to people rather than make a server for urself.
then if u find a server/project you like stay on to help them.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 14, 2017, 10:58 AM
I'd give it a try for sure. 
- KampfKeks <3
Wait there a second, I know your fine butt! So nice to see you are still alive. Hope you're doing good and thanks for showing interest!

...that Nihad put in while Dai was on vacation..
So long story short, still listen to players suggestions.
I wouldn't say this is to be blamed on Nihad, after all it was rather my fault for agreeing to something without properly discussing it out. I was in a rush because of my travel to japan but that shouldn't be an excuse.
And I agree with you, the server went better after the hiatus. I learned a lot during those months, especially what MR players want and don't want.

So what I am really trying to say is that you are a great Administrator, lots of people were sad when the server you were hosting was closed. I bid you goodluck in your plans, looking forward to it too.
Believe it or not but I still remember you from 4 years ago! /heh
Thank you for the compliment, I really appreciate it. Hope to see you around!

I will give it a go if it is a 99/70 pre-renewal server with renewal instances
If I were to make a new mid-rate it would be 99/70 pre-renewal for sure.
Regarding the instances we have quite a lot and developing new/own ones is no problem.

you should loan ur services out to people rather than make a server for urself.
then if u find a server/project you like stay on to help them.
I am already trying to help other server owners as much as I can.
I have worked in the background with majority of the developers from the scene but there hasn't been a single server I was able to dedicate myself 100% to unless it was my own.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Duckshooter on Jul 14, 2017, 12:25 PM
Wait there a second, I know your fine butt! So nice to see you are still alive. Hope you're doing good and thanks for showing interest!

Fine butt? Look who's talking! Good to see that someone rememberes my name haha. Hope you're doing good aswell <3
Too bad I didnt have much time to be that active while Elaria Woon Reloaded was up.
Reality already mentioned that in another thread: Mid-rate/high low-rate pre-renewal 99/70 servers are kinda rare nowadays and I always felt like the demand is pretty high.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 01:09 PM
The thought of asking is an initiative.

Knowing if and how many people would join your potential server (despite not knowing much details) is useful information.
Research is an essential part of marketing. You don't try to sell a product to the world without knowing if there is even a demand for it, right?

So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?

I'm unsure how questioning "what making me so special" relate to this topic.
This is just one of my approach to a potential project. If someone have any comments, they are free to post them here.

...

Before I start developing though, I would like to know how many people would be interested in a new mid-rate server lead by me as Administrator.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Develon on Jul 14, 2017, 03:13 PM
As most people already know by now.
Midrates last more often than not 6months, and either people like it or not stagnated end game is the main issue, which midrates simply make too easy to reach specifically in a pre-renewal server with classic content.
Starting months are strong, then it starts dwindling, more often than not because bg and woe scene either starts fading out or never existed to begin with.
Now, the particular issue with this is.
If you want to do a server good for woe players, you'd screw over the pvm plebs on a 18 year old game. If you want a server that beneficiates people that actually grind for end game gear, refined/enchanted stuff, said woe people will have a rougher time, and might just straight out not bother showing up.
Which is where said BG comes in as a tool of economy, since more often than not woe players enjoy good BG. And might actually play it for fun rather than the reward which will keep the market flowing and people always doing something.

So, if you're going to start up a project try to find solutions for the main issue to at least push the end game content because even if you can't manage to bring woe guilds which are a big part of the midrate community, at least you'll manage to keep a stable part of it who "always" has something to do. And those are the people who make the server look alive.

Regarding if i'd show up on it or not, maybe. Would all deppend on the people that got hardcore molested by Nihao and if they are willing to show up.

Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Shourei on Jul 14, 2017, 03:23 PM
So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?

This thread is not an advertisement to sell anything. It's a research to see the number of interested people in a mid-rate server, and their personal opinion on the matter. OP won't share any other confidential information.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?

Surely you know this after being active on RMS for a long time. When working with an RO project, two of the most important things for an Administrator (admin) to have are ideology and trust.
There is few outcome from this:
1. You trust the admin and agree with their ideology.
2. You trust the admin and join them to help shape up with their ideology.
3. You hate the admin to the core and will turn everything against them.

Personally speaking, OP has qualities. That's what makes her special.
If this project flies, all she needs is support and it'll go big.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 03:33 PM
Like I said before, OP isn't doing anyone a favor when the server gets shutdown because players aren't interested anymore. Since it appears OP has no motivation to start the server other than player interest alone. It would have been more prudent to provide a high level plan rather than basing interest solely on a few persons of interest. But you don't speak for OP and it would be more interesting to see what OP has to say. The concerns that @Develon pointed out is a very good place to start.

Also, there is no context provided for anyone who doesn't know who OP is or the persons of interest are.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Reality on Jul 14, 2017, 03:48 PM
If you can't even take the initiative to make the server on your own, then why even bother asking whether players are interested? OP isn't doing anyone a favor when the server gets shutdown because players aren't interested anymore. Besides the point, what makes OP so special anyways?

I don't really know Daifuku at all, but in his or her defense, I've wondered this same thing -- is there even any interest in a 99/70 midrate anymore?

There aren't any classic WoE guilds left anymore to ask, and there are no midrate servers right now to indicate that there is any interest at all. While there's a massive hole in the market in the midrate scene, that absolutely does not mean there's still significant demand. And it's really hard to gauge whether or not that demand still exists with the current shabby selection of midrates right now. Join a dead, admin-abandoned midrate with decent features, or a new midrate with 8 players? Because those are basically the options right now. When I made my midrates before, it was absolutely clear there was still interest in midrates because my competition was successful despite being pretty s***. There was networking I could do, and, though they were slowly losing interest in RO, WoE guilds still existed.

What I mean is that with the current state of the midrate scene, any source for feedback (RMS forums) could be one of very few options.

But to answer OP's question, I don't know. I'm not very familiar with your work, or your competence as an administrator. It depends a lot on the server itself and what kind of features are planned to be implemented. I'm coming back from a 3 year RO haitus and the midrate scene is depressing as hell right now, so I guess I'm open to trying it. I'm sure it'd be a better option than the aforementioned admin-abandoned server I'm playing right now, honestly.

Just make sure you are careful with gaining a player-base before release, and that core features are implemented upon release with content planned for future development to keep people interested as well. In my opinion, anyway.

-Reality
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 03:59 PM
is there even any interest in a 99/70 midrate anymore?

The only way to find out is to open a mid rate server, but all the hype is going towards the ro:re server from warp portal right now.

And there is really nothing stopping you from opening a decent mid rate server and building the mid rate scene with or without player interest.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Reality on Jul 14, 2017, 04:53 PM
And there is really nothing stopping you from opening a decent mid rate server and building the mid rate scene with or without player interest.

It took around 250 hours of work pre-release for AeonRO (from rAthena scratch), and around 200 hours for VividRO (which I was working on before I even closed Aeon). It also cost around $80 for hosting, $200 for the website with db integration, and then the cost of IPB for the forums, Harmony, and rAmod. I don't recall the prices for those. And, of course, I had to deal with getting a staff together, reaching out to guilds, and networking.

Personally, I'd say that's a lot stopping someone from releasing a server. I'd imagine others have to put in similar amounts of effort.

-Reality
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 14, 2017, 05:08 PM
Would all deppend on the people that got hardcore molested by Nihao and if they are willing to show up.
One of the reason why I am clarifying in my post that I will be solo admin this time is because of how people think about Nihad.
He is a great person, a great coder but everyone knows he simply can not deal with the community. Which is why he decided to step down from that position and just be developer.
This is the only reason I am saying "if, it's going to be just me as admin".

I've wondered this same thing -- is there even any interest in a 99/70 midrate anymore?..
..What I mean is that with the current state of the midrate scene, any source for feedback (RMS forums) could be one of very few options.
The US area has a new pre-renewal official server, philippines area has a new pre-renewal official server.
Elaria shut down, Abra has no players left, Atlas has no players left, there is no high populated mid-rate right now - at least not on RMS.
Another reason why I wanted to ask if there is even a demand for a new mid-rate server?

The only way to find out is to open a mid rate server, but all the hype is going towards the ro:re server from warp portal right now.

And there is really nothing stopping you from opening a decent mid rate server and building the mid rate scene with or without player interest.

Sorry but that's wrong. You do not have to put all the effort and money into opening a new mid-rate server to find out if there are people still interested in joining one.
All it takes is to open a post and ask, like I did. Also, please read my replies to Develon and Reality as to why I asked in the first place.

Since it appears OP has no motivation to start the server other than player interest alone.
If I would not be interested/motivated in creating a new server, I would not have started this discussion.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 05:18 PM
Sorry but that's wrong. You do not have to put all the effort and money into opening a new mid-rate server to find out if there are people still interested in joining one.
All it takes is to open a post and ask, like I did. Also, please read my replies to Develon and Reality as to why I asked in the first place.

If I would not be interested in creating a new server, I would not have started this discussion.

That was my opinion, but OK. [fixed]

The thought of asking is an initiative.

Knowing if and how many people would join your potential server (despite not knowing much details) is useful information.
Research is an essential part of marketing. You don't try to sell a product to the world without knowing if there is even a demand for it, right?

So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?

I'm unsure how questioning "what making me so special" relate to this topic.
This is just one of my approach to a potential project. If someone have any comments, they are free to post them here.

...

Before I start developing though, I would like to know how many people would be interested in a new mid-rate server lead by me as Administrator.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 14, 2017, 05:41 PM
So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?
Please read again what I said in my previous posts.
I created this topic because I am doing research - research for a potential future project which is going to be my product and this is what I'll be selling.
Detailed information about the product (server) would follow once I have finished my research.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?
Here again, please refer to the answer I gave Develon.
I stated that I would lead the potential project solo, with Nihad as developer and other known people for the MR scene as staff - which makes me the X factor in all of this.
Special or not lies in the eye of the beholder - I have the dedication, the passion, have never been in this for the money and gained some decent amount of trust from the community.
 
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 06:12 PM
Please read again what I said in my previous posts.
I created this topic because I am doing research - research for a potential future project which is going to be my product and this is what I'll be selling.
Detailed information about the product (server) would follow once I have finished my research.

What exactly is this research? Because if it is simply about an arbitrary mid rate server managed by arbitrary people, then the answer is simple, no one cares.

Here again, please refer to the answer I gave Develon.
I stated that I would lead the potential project solo, with Nihad as developer and other known people for the MR scene as staff - which makes me the X factor in all of this.
Special or not lies in the eye of the beholder - I have the dedication, the passion, have never been in this for the money and gained some decent amount of trust from the community.

Again, you haven't provide any context as to who these people are and why we should care. Unless this is just a shameless plug.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: SukiChii on Jul 14, 2017, 06:38 PM
Like I said, I don't know you.
I'm just interested in a mid rate server but you haven't provided any information as to what you're doing, aside that you're gonna do it if you have enough support. How can I support you if I don't know what you're doing?
What are the rates? Is it Pre-renewal or Renewal? Content?

Give us something other than I might do this if enough people vote yes. This tells me that you don't really want to do it because you want to, which worries me.

Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 14, 2017, 07:42 PM
What exactly is this research? Because if it is simply about an arbitrary mid rate server managed by arbitrary people, then the answer is simple, no one cares.
The research is to figure out how many players are looking for a mid-rate server in general and how many would join if it was led by me with rest of the people I listed up.
There are people that care and people that are interested. Most people that replied here have been supportive and showed interest.
Oh, and as a matter of fact, I have received over 100+ votes for yes without giving any information other than it being a pre-renewal mid-rate server.

Again, you haven't provide any context as to who these people are and why we should care. Unless this is just a shameless plug.
Since I am not entirely sure which people you are talking about I will answer both:
1. The people I am working with are known mid-rate developer/admins and had servers running under their name for 2-5 years.
So the majority of the MR players probably already played at least once on their server or should know who they are. If they don't they are free to simply close the tab or vote for no if there is no interest in a server made by us.

2. The people who wrote me over the past weeks are old players from Elaria Woon Reloaded. I can provide proof if you don’t believe me.
In case you are asking why I’m still doing this research despite people asking me already: It’s because even with those people messaging me, this research is still needed to get a broader picture.
--
Please do yourself a favor and don't generalize your personal opinion by using "we" and "no one".  If no one really cared or interested, no one would have replied. Yourself included.

How can I support you if I don't know what you're doing?
What are the rates? Is it Pre-renewal or Renewal? Content?
It would be a pre-renewal mid-rate server.
The idea of is to know whether you would generally be interested in a new mid-rate server, despite not knowing me or the server setup.
So would you be up for a new adventure on a MR?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 08:55 PM
I post in server discussion all the time and your shameless self promotion under the disguise of research caught my attention. So feel free to exclude me from the cared and interested list.

And what has changed since this announcement (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/1997-news-future-of-the-server/)? http://imgur.com/rkIbyFu (http://imgur.com/rkIbyFu)
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: IvoryMouse on Jul 14, 2017, 09:25 PM
Going through the comments, people are more or less concerned about your overall drive/ambition on what you want out of a server. Not what we the players want. We know what we want already and if your server doesn't provide it, we'll skip town. Trying to cater to everyone is foolish. You can't please everyone, so don't try.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 09:57 PM
Read this thread (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/1996-news-future-of-the-server/). That is exactly what happened.

Apparently, this isn't OP's first time doing this. And there was definitely some resentment towards the community at the end; http://imgur.com/udiu1Ne (http://imgur.com/udiu1Ne).

Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: SukiChii on Jul 14, 2017, 11:22 PM
Oh dear God.
I think I read that thread once.

Don't do it.

Oh this: http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/re-looking-for-a-server-that-can-serve-as-my-home-again (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/re-looking-for-a-server-that-can-serve-as-my-home-again)
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 14, 2017, 11:40 PM
Judging by the thread (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/1996-news-future-of-the-server/) and how its only been a month or two, OP would be doing herself a favor if she didn't open another mid rate server. It also doesn't help that their primary developer, Nihad, is busy running a martial arts school and has real life commitments than to dedicate time to the server. Unless, OP gets Torben to help again, but even he is busy with his own business.

Quote
Oh this: http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/re-looking-for-a-server-that-can-serve-as-my-home-again (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/re-looking-for-a-server-that-can-serve-as-my-home-again)

The resentment is real.

My guess is that they are amateurs and the work-to-profit was in the negative with the work itself being overwhelming, so they end up taking out their frustration on the community. But rather than walking away, they wanted to force a reset instead and try to turn a profit again. So here we are.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Kris on Jul 15, 2017, 03:07 AM
What exactly is this research? Because if it is simply about an arbitrary mid rate server managed by arbitrary people, then the answer is simple, no one cares.


According to my research, no one cares about you. With that being said, it was established on a previous thread that you lack the mindset of a rational thinker, which means your opinion can never be taken seriously.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that there will always be room for a decent mid rate. Take Yrvine for example, he's had 4 mid rates listed in the top 5 mid rate section of RMS in the span of just 4 years. He hasn't changed a single feature in any of his last 4 servers except for the servers name i.e CaseRO, TalisRO, OnceRO & AbraRO and yet has still managed to milk the mid rate community.

Having first-hand experience of playing a Daifuku server, I can vouch for the fact that it will not be a yrvine copy-paste server and that she will actually invest multiple hours in providing unique content for the MR community.

Side note to @Daifuku - Stay away from negative people, they have a problem for every solution

Side note to @Reality - Whattup my g, been a minute

Side note to @Develon - why is your dumb a$$ on RMS ?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: neilpatrick on Jul 15, 2017, 05:11 AM
Many people are bashing Daifuku, I don't know about you guys but what I understand about this thread is she is only asking the community if they are still interested in a new Mid Rate server that is hosted by her and her team.

I have no idea  about the demand on Mid rates but I think Low rates have the much bigger demand, pre-renewal low rates are very rare right now IMO
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Shourei on Jul 15, 2017, 05:35 AM
I post in server discussion all the time and your shameless self promotion under the disguise of research caught my attention. So feel free to exclude me from the cared and interested list.

And what has changed since this announcement (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/1997-news-future-of-the-server/)? http://imgur.com/rkIbyFu (http://imgur.com/rkIbyFu)

Greetings. You're talking to one of those changes. I am a representative of your regular players. Whilst it may be irrelevant to some, I have a player-based mindset (That means what I want may align with what you want). In this potential project, I will be in charge of sorting out information that floats around. Of course, this survey included. So I can assure you that we are doing it without the intention of self-promotion.

Given the survey result is favourable, the next step will be aligning our mid-rate ideology to other mid-rate players.
So if you are still interested then, do share your opinion (opinions that are actually relevant, if you will).

I'll also take this chance to thank everyone else who has given their opinion and/or have turned in the survey.
Feel free to give your piece of mind on their ideal mid-rate server.

While we cannot please everyone, we are aiming for one that is beneficial for the greater good,  and not some s*** servers. I'm through with those. Everyone is through with those, I'm sure. -- Wouldn't be stepping into the other side otherwise.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 15, 2017, 06:09 AM
OP would be doing herself (http://i.imgur.com/hjWcE1h.jpg) a favor if she didn't open another mid rate server. It also doesn't help that their primary developer, Nihad, is busy running a martial arts school and has real life commitments than to dedicate time to the server. Unless, OP gets Torben to help again, but even he is busy with his own business.

The more you post, the more I get the feeling that this is rather a personal problem against me than anything else.
Why else would you go all your way out to search for a picture of me on our old forum which has been posted months ago? Kinda hilarious imo.
But if you are going to showcase my face to the RMS community use a more up-to-date picture. [Here's  one with my little puppy.] (http://i.imgur.com/oYiN7uJ.jpg[/url)
I am not ashamed of showing myself nor have to hide my identity like others. I don't have to pretend to be an untouchable admin. I'm just a human after all. /no1

Nihad started his business last year december and clarified that he would be available again shortly after which he was starting february.
He can spend daily 2-3 hours on RO related content which is far more than other developer can do.
Please, just stop throwing old as topics into this discussion.

To clarify it one last time, because this back and forth between Bue and me is getting ridiculous:

Elaria Woon Reloaded was a low-midrate fun project between Nihad and I. People expected something different even though it was advertised as such and got disappointed.
We decided to revamp the server in favor of the community and put a lot of effort into everything. I build the community in September last year, I rebuilded it in December last year and when I came back from my vacation in March I tried to rebuild the community again but it didn't work because the server has been through too much within 8 months, so it was shut down.
There has been mistakes from the side of the Staff such as from the community. I will never announce myself as a great admin, everyone has flaws but in comparison to most "known" admins in the mid-rate scene I consider myself one of the very few that actually care about their project and community.

That being said, Bue, thank you for keeping this discussion up by replying to everything and everyone - it surely made a few people click on the topic and leave a vote on the poll.

Many people are bashing Daifuku
It's actually less than a hand full of people on RMS that bash on me while I get supported by over 100s of people with my research - so it's honestly completely fine.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Chemical Crush on Jul 15, 2017, 06:46 AM
Bue,

Why would you go out of your way to post a picture of Daifuku?  Like...thats a little creepy imo.  What does what she looks like have to do with the topic at hand?  Also, I feel like you're just personally attacking her.  Dai seriously just wanted to know if people would be interested in joining a server ran by her again.  Jesus.

Dai,

I still think you should make a low rate instead, but thats just me.  :D
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Evin on Jul 15, 2017, 07:03 AM
Judging by the thread (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/1996-news-future-of-the-server/) and how its only been a month or two, OP would be doing herself (http://i.imgur.com/hjWcE1h.jpg) a favor if she didn't open another mid rate server.
Da f***? Did she piss in your cereal or some s***? Do you have some sort of hate boner for her? I can understand the criticism towards her admin ability, but to go out of your way to post her pic and judge it here? That's kinda creepy.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: neilpatrick on Jul 15, 2017, 07:22 AM
Dai,

I still think you should make a low rate instead, but thats just me.  :D

I'm with Chemical Crush with this, though the decision will still be up to you ofcourse :)
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: NovaPanic on Jul 15, 2017, 07:56 AM
If creating another Mid-Rate server is something you want to do, then do it, if not then don't. I wouldn't worry about the opinions of others, I think that was your biggest issues when it came to Elaria Woon Reloaded, spent too much time trying to wait on the player base hand and foot instead of just doing things how you wanted regardless of the results. That's what I gathered from skimming over the various s*** posts here anyways.

Whatever you choose to do, I wish you luck in your endeavors.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: jacobo_bobo on Jul 15, 2017, 12:51 PM
If creating another Mid-Rate server is something you want to do, then do it, if not then don't. I wouldn't worry about the opinions of others, I think that was your biggest issues when it came to Elaria Woon Reloaded, spent too much time trying to wait on the player base hand and foot instead of just doing things how you wanted regardless of the results. That's what I gathered from skimming over the various s*** posts here anyways.

Whatever you choose to do, I wish you luck in your endeavors.

^^^^ this.

To be honest, I never played your server but I remember clearly a lot of whining and complaining about how players did not appreciate your work, how you made a server with pure cosmetics on donations and people still didn't like it. In short, a lot of crying about how you tried so hard to please people and people were still not pleased. I'm sure you can still find those topics on these boards...players leaving not-so-good reviews and you arguing about how the changes you made were for their own good, except none of them liked them. This is why I said "- please not again!". I don't want to see RMS filled with QQ about why people don't enjoy your server and why you have a hard time making it grow...
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 15, 2017, 01:46 PM
To be honest, I never played your server but I remember clearly a lot of whining and complaining about how players did not appreciate your work, how you made a server with pure cosmetics on donations and people still didn't like it.
Yeah, I didn't get why people would prefer a pay to win server in the MR scene, while LR scene (where I was originally from) prefer cosmetic servers.
But you have to make mistakes in life and gather experience to make things better the second time.
If people judge me and don't want to join my sever because of rumors or topics about me on RMS it's completely fine, no-one will force them.
All I will do is offer a place to play where they can be assured that the admin will fight for the server as long as it's possible and not do any fishy things.

I'm with Chemical Crush with this, though the decision will still be up to you ofcourse :)
I left the LR scene as admin to gather new experience. Nihad was my chance to dive into the MR world and I would love to give it another shot before I touch anything else.
I also don't have much contact to the LR scene players anymore .. most of the old players were disappointed when EWR opened because they expected a LR of me. 
I hope you're doing good icee ♥

Da f***? Did she piss in your cereal or some s***? Do you have some sort of hate boner for her? I can understand the criticism towards her admin ability, but to go out of your way to post her pic and judge it here? That's kinda creepy.
Wondering the same, curious what the answer will be!  /hmm
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Duckshooter on Jul 15, 2017, 03:07 PM
Oh boy, Ragnarok drama! It's 2007 again!

I don't know what happened on EWR since I had no time to play shortly after launch but it looks like nothing serious, basic problems between community and staff.
Angry and stupid voices are usually the loudest and blowing things out of proportion is nothing new on the internet, we all know that.

I have no idea what Bue's personal issue is but it seems like he goes the extra mile to get his point across and that's a bit weird.

Since pre-ren mid-rate servers are not big right now I dont mind the conversation about the demand for such a server at all. The RMS forums are kinda quiet anyway so discussions are great.
Also, I didnt see Bue post on this http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/market-research/ (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/market-research/) topic which is also asking for what people like but without any real specification.

If staff isnt competent enough the server will go down anyway so why bother talking down on something (with multiple replies) that isnt even a thing yet?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 15, 2017, 04:16 PM
I am very impressed with Shourei's response. He did not take the bait. And he addressed the self promotion and community issue, focused on the survey, and thanked all the participants. Its the perfect disengagement.

@ChemicalCrush, @Evin; drama. white knights. damsel in distress. etc
@duckshooter; OP is self promoting and your right.

I call out anyone who shamelessly self promote themselves on rms. What made it worse was that OP never introduce herself and the team and did not provide any information about the server. After OP talked about EWR, I went over to their forums and discord and everything started to make sense (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/1996-news-future-of-the-server/). Also, OP remove EWR references compare to this thread (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/2017-a-new-adventure-lead-by-daifuku/) and EWR drama on RMS (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/re-looking-for-a-server-that-can-serve-as-my-home-again).

@daifuku; I think @BestPlayerEver describes it best; "I'd rather not join a server where the Admin is so easily provoked and agitated." And all the selfies in the world wouldn't make up for that personality! And your welcome.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: SukiChii on Jul 15, 2017, 04:52 PM
I think it's enough.
We've provided information on how you guys operate. Now it's in the player's hands if they decide to join your venture or not.
To me, you don't seem ready to administer a server just yet. Like someone already posted, you are better off working for a server rather than running it.

I wish you luck with whatever it is you want to do.

Edit: Also Daifuku, are you by any chance the same Daifuku in ValorRO's Discord?
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Kris on Jul 15, 2017, 07:59 PM
for those of you that are new here, refer to my previous post (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/rejoice.png)
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Artemsis on Jul 15, 2017, 08:26 PM
Played on one of branded "Nihad" Servers in 2013- Woon:Reloaded. Was a great time.

Played on Daifuku's and Nihads Server as well. Yes, it crashed hard against the wall like the way its hype went trough the roof in the beginning -but fk it- I experienced Daifuku as a dedicated admin who spent hours of time to serve me a place to play and chill in the evenings. And the best, it was free of charge. Btw, thanks for that, Daifuku!

Count me in on your next project. Im pretty sure you have learned again a lot from all the impressions the spoon-fed rushloving midrate community was givin' in during that time. Follow your impressions, nail your idea and keep your precious passion.

Artemsis
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Mina-chan on Jul 15, 2017, 08:58 PM
@Bue, first of all, no matter what your point may or may not be, there's always something very malicious with posting a picture of someone else in the internet without their consent. Yes, even if it were a public fb photo. Why would you have it in the first place? And what's the point of showing it to everyone else? Even if there were something wrong with it, there's no justification. You say that OP is trying to "sell herself" and you talk about "all the selfies in the world", but it's you who were showing their photo originally. But there's absolutely nothing wrong with the picture itself, except for the way you posted it here. They can post their photo, but you can't. There's something called freedom of expression, so people can take the selfies they want in whichever way they want, and also something called the right to privacy, and crossing the line isn't just "going the extra mile" as someone else stated. That's what is actually shameless. It also means that whichever point you may have had, you threw it aside and really started making it sound weird and even creepy, as if it were personal (or maybe that's what it was from the beginning). So, what's the point, then? It sounds more like you don't like X person and their personality, and their selfies! and are crossing lines for that sole reason.

The rest seems to be quite simple tbh, and not worth this amount of discussion. Because objectively speaking, the OP is simply stating something in their own way, and asking for a poll to be answered about a project they may have in mind, with the rates and other details still being unclear. You may not like the way they express themselves, but that's your problem, not theirs. From what I see, it's obvious that 1) they're interested in starting a project and 2) there's no such a thing as "shameless self promotion", stating that does sound far-fetched, and strange in itself. How is exactly the OP doing that, according to you? And supposing that were the case, what's exactly the problem you have with people promoting things in a way that you don't like? And this is about a possible RO server. Giving each thing the importance it deserves is good for your health, you know?

Aside from that, from my understanding, to promote anything, including yourself, you'd have to provide a certain amount of information. So objectively speaking, OP is just looking for their poll to be filled, among a community that for various reasons does already know about who they are and the servers they've worked in, so this feels more like a call to those people. To my knowledge, at least among the mid rate community, a good portion of it knows what Elaria Woon was, given the community's size. Those who don't know about them would most likely ignore the thread... and that's it.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 15, 2017, 09:54 PM
You are right, Mina-chan. It was very immature. And I am sorry, Daifuku.

Although, I disagree with the rest being simple. I did not know OP was an admin of EWR nor what happened there, but it provided significant context related to the poll. And my major gripe with this thread from the beginning was self-promotion and the lack of context and transparency. This thread is very much about Daifuko than it is about an upcoming mid rate server since the significance of the server itself is that it going to be manage by Daifuki and friends.

But these threads; EWR shutdown (http://board.playelaria.com/index.php?/topic/1996-news-future-of-the-server/) and EWF drama (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/rant-and-rave/re-looking-for-a-server-that-can-serve-as-my-home-again) are extremely relevant for anyone who isn't in the know.

Also, to make it even, I am not hiding behind 7 proxies (http://imgur.com/a/9JhIz).
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Ravs on Jul 16, 2017, 05:09 AM
I would definitely try any server you make Aurela :)
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 16, 2017, 09:09 AM
And I am sorry, Daifuku.
What's done is done, no need to apologize.

Again, I can only assure that I never wanted to make this a self-promotion.
I only clarified that I would be leading the project alone and not together with Nihad as Admin to take away the fear of some old players.
Regarding if i'd show up on it or not, maybe. Would all deppend on the people that got hardcore molested by Nihao and if they are willing to show up.

Maybe I should have worded things differently and wrote more information about who we are to those who don't know us, you can blame that on me if you want.
But you attacking me on a personal basis, judging me and my work because of two topics without actually knowing anything about me nor what I did for the previous project is pretty biased.
However it could also only be me who doesn't judge people right away. I prefer to make my own experiences before I call someone out.

End of the story;
there's been over 150 real people who logged into their google account within the past 48h that would be interested in a potential server without having any sort of information.
And those are propably mainly old players that know who we are.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Potatoes on Jul 16, 2017, 09:09 AM
Huh, this whole thread makes me think you're not as good as an admin as you think you are. You seem weak and an easy target to pick on. I mean, what did you expect out of this? That the people would be all nice and cheering you up, giving you the required motivation for you to start up a new server? ... That seems foolish to me.

Your replies to this thread are all pretty bad. You have good intentions and you're probably a good person, but that doesn't make you a good admin.

Take Bue for instance. Everyone here knows Bue is a troll and that he should just be ignored. You of all people should know this... unless you're new, but you're clearly not. At the very least you should have figured this out at his second reply; he's going to reply whatever crap he can think of and make your case look worse. That was bad judgement on your end.

You should have stopped replying to this thread ages ago. Now it looks like you're taking these offenses seriously and that they're having an impact on you (again, making you look weak). Now I can already picture you replying to this and saying "I'm definitely not weak and I have a strong motivation etc"... we don't care. Appearance is what matters and so far you've had a pretty bad record.

People are laughing at this thread and having a good time. Those responding, other than the trolls, are just being polite or they're your friends/supporters. We both know these aren't enough for a new server.

Some generic advice for the future, since you're probably going to open a new server anyway... :
- Don't use emotes when making official replies.
- Stop trying to bring people together with cheap shots.
- Cut the "I'm happy and everything is great ^^!" crap, it makes you look like a teenager.
- Talk less, the less people know you, the better.
- Learn to take criticism. That means: stop replying to negative crap people say about you.
- Keep a good image (it's already too late in my opinion, though).

With that said, I wish you the best of luck with whatever decision you take!
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 16, 2017, 09:25 AM
I wish you the best of luck with whatever decision you take!
Thanks!
P.s: I recommend to refrain from judging people. Judging a person does not define who they are, it defines who you are.
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Potatoes on Jul 16, 2017, 10:47 AM
... and this reply is why I think you're not ready! People judge you whether you like it or not. Everyone here judged you. If they don't know you, they'll look at your replies and base an opinion from them. In a perfect and ideal world, nobody would have prejudice on you but that's not how things work in practice. This is something you should already know, you've been a GM and an admin before and you know how players are. You know full well how important your image is, or at least I hope you do.

I know you from rAthena, you're a nice person, so I personally have a good impression of you. You as an admin though, it's a whole different story.

Quote
P.s: I recommend to refrain from judging people. Judging a person does not define who they are, it defines who you are.
You don't give recommendations or life advice on RMS. You'll get destroyed, lol...
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Boreas on Jul 16, 2017, 11:24 AM
I don't understand the purpose of this thread. If you want to open a new server then do so. The RMS forum is pretty much dead except for the usual trolls. How many people do have to vote "yes" for you to open a server and vice versa for "no" to not open one? If you need this poll as a motivation then you should not administrate a server, honestly speaking. Anyway, good luck to you!
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 16, 2017, 11:40 AM
I don't understand the purpose of this thread. If you want to open a new server then do so. The RMS forum is pretty much dead except for the usual trolls. How many people do have to vote "yes" for you to open a server and vice versa for "no" to not open one? If you need this poll as a motivation then you should not administrate a server, honestly speaking. Anyway, good luck to you!
It does not take a certain amount of numbers for me to open a server.
Simply doing a research on how many people are looking for a new midrate server despite there barely being activity in the MR scene at the moment + two new pre-re officials.
I'm not very active on RMS honestly.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Reality on Jul 16, 2017, 12:06 PM
Oof. What happened to this thread? There was a reason that I typically responded to baiting with things like "no u", or "sure", or "ok kris".

If you want to be head administrator, just know that it will get very tiring very quickly if you feel compelled to respond and defend yourself on everything, or ignore negative feedback from level-headed players, like in this thread. As an admin, I was typically only long winded in important threads in suggestions, bug reports, and news forums because of that.

Private servers aren't best run like a democracy. Not every post is valuable, and it's good to not sway from your values, especially if server longevity is a goal and you know what not to implement. I'm more keen on benevolent dictatorships, as a player, and I think most others are as well as proven by the success of Yrvine's garbage servers. (That guy really milks the Stockholm syndrome that midrate players clearly have.)

-Reality
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Bue on Jul 16, 2017, 03:39 PM
Take Bue for instance. Everyone here knows Bue is a troll and that he should just be ignored. You of all people should know this... unless you're new, but you're clearly not. At the very least you should have figured this out at his second reply; he's going to reply whatever crap he can think of and make your case look worse. That was bad judgement on your end.

You should have stopped replying to this thread ages ago. Now it looks like you're taking these offenses seriously and that they're having an impact on you (again, making you look weak). Now I can already picture you replying to this and saying "I'm definitely not weak and I have a strong motivation etc"... we don't care. Appearance is what matters and so far you've had a pretty bad record.

Yeah, that guy is a huge prick and arrogant af. I agree with you on ignoring every bait thread and reply. And if you have to reply, then keep it minimal and professional, i.e. be as friendly as possible regardless of how rude the client is and don't let your emotions get involved. I learn that hard way when I had my first service industry job as a waiter during college and my first professional job after college. Imagine a customer going off on you over a long email chain or a phone conversation when all you want is a core dump or a wireshark capture. Though, building a thicker skin isn't the only requirement.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: misterj on Jul 16, 2017, 08:41 PM
catcalling is not allowed :<

bue why does your db converter have to work in c, its freakin awful for string manipulation!!! X_X
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Yuzo on Jul 17, 2017, 02:53 AM
@Bue you are now worthy of my crack pipe. Use its power responsibly.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: neilpatrick on Jul 17, 2017, 02:58 AM
I bid you goodluck on your upcoming project @Daifuku  /no1
Looking forward to it  /heh

Maybe I'll leave the Low rate community and try this one out
Title: Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
Post by: Develon on Jul 17, 2017, 08:52 PM

Side note to @Develon - why is your dumb a$$ on RMS ?

Hello friend. Just checking the air.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Zinnia on Jul 18, 2017, 02:20 AM
OP was just surveying RMS to know if there was demand for a pre-re midrates server. The presentation was a little off which led some people to think she was trying to sell something but this is actually not the case. Noone would sell their project with the sole argument "I am admin now", that would sound pretentious and completely out of place.

Anyway, I know Daifuku for a while now and she is a passionate. It comes with both a positive and a negative side.
Positive: She is capable of doing a huge amount of work in little time.
Negative: She may take Community feedback too much at heart.

Even though, my first guess is that she's learned from past mistakes because, contrarely to most other admins, she at least have the experience of doing something else than shipping a copy/paste server with 3 custom scripts and be gone for the next 3 months while occasionally looking at a paypal account.
Of course you cannot blame someone for their mistakes while they never tried to build something. Daifuku is one of the rare persons in the admin community who actually took risks. It's expected to find a few threads about her with negative comments.

I'll keep quoting this because it's so often valid: "Anyone who leads, does something, has against them all those who wish to do the same, those who do exactly the opposite, but mainly the wide army of men, even more severe, who never do anything."

Anyway!

@SukiChii: May I bring you on a date?
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Beyond on Jul 18, 2017, 04:14 AM
Offtopic: So yeah i've lurked this place for years and it's about time I registered, since i mostly play midrates seems like a good 1st topic, heh.

OnTopic: A new mid rate? sure I might check it out, I might even bring 2 or 3 people along for the ride, but that would depend on the server specs.

On the topic of midrates:
Someone said something about having stuff and objectives and whatnot (yeah i'm not going to go back and check who posted it exactly, sorry), but I agree, the problem with midrates lies on the rates themselves, people will get bored with the game as soon as there's nothing much to do, with midrates its usually quite easy to fully gear a character so people end up getting bored quite fast.

As for what would be ideal for myself:
Mid rate exp, high low rate items (with some custom rates inbetween since cards can be bumped a little higher as well as some equipments), hell you could even tweak around the exp caps making levels above base 85~90 take ages (don't touch the job levels though since those just make people feel like they can't fully use their character). That could incentivise people to actually party up and level.

I did check out ElariaRO, despite not exactly liking/understanding some of the custom changes, it seemed like people cared about what they were doing, which is always nice to see.
As for the comments about people, I don't think I've ever interacted with any of the people on the team so I won't say much. Daifuku seems nice from what I've seen of her posting.

@Kris: I've also seen a lot of your posts here, props for the good work you've done o/
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Bue on Jul 18, 2017, 07:11 AM
OP was just surveying RMS to know if there was demand for a pre-re midrates server. The presentation was a little off which led some people to think she was trying to sell something but this is actually not the case. Noone would sell their project with the sole argument "I am admin now", that would sound pretentious and completely out of place.

I agree otherwise this thread would been titled "a new adventure; lead by daifuku" instead of "LF> old/new potential players for a MR."

Even though, my first guess is that she's learned from past mistakes because, contrarely to most other admins, she at least have the experience of doing something else than shipping a copy/paste server with 3 custom scripts and be gone for the next 3 months while occasionally looking at a paypal account.
Of course you cannot blame someone for their mistakes while they never tried to build something. Daifuku is one of the rare persons in the admin community who actually took risks. It's expected to find a few threads about her with negative comments.

I'll keep quoting this because it's so often valid: "Anyone who leads, does something, has against them all those who wish to do the same, those who do exactly the opposite, but mainly the wide army of men, even more severe, who never do anything."

Yeah, it would be hypocritical to blame someone for their mistakes when they themselves never tried stealing an IP and passing it off as their own. My god, can you imagine the hypocrisy? I mean, you would have to go to a forum filled with past and present server administrators to see something like that. But none of that matters, because server administrators have a good track record of accepting criticism and revising their plan of action.

On a side note, I hope the results for OP's poll turn out positive, then we can all start opening mid rates. Yaay! It is always fun to start a low cost startup with no liability, which you can operate for as long as its profitable.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Zinnia on Jul 18, 2017, 08:11 AM
Always here to save the day, Bue

 /ok /ok /ok (http://kawaiinetwork.net/images/smilies/kappa.png)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: SukiChii on Jul 18, 2017, 01:43 PM
Sure @Zinnia. I love free food  /ok

By the way Dai, have you decided on what you're gonna do?
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Zinnia on Jul 18, 2017, 05:08 PM
This sounds so wrong on so many levels
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Jul 18, 2017, 06:20 PM
I agree otherwise this thread would been titled "a new adventure; lead by daifuku" instead of "LF> old/new potential players for a MR."
(http://kawaiinetwork.net/images/smilies/kappa.png)

Bruh you need to take it easy. You already took your L on this thread; stop making yourself look pitiable by trying to justify your marring posts about 'Fuku
Future tip: Instead of automatically finding fault in someone's post, learn to appreciate the fact that people like fuks are still willing to give RO a shot in 2k17

Hello friend. Just checking the air.

Lowkey wanted Reality to give me attention but I'll settle with your reply as compensation.

@Kris: I've also seen a lot of your posts here, props for the good work you've done o/

need yC to sign me asap
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 19, 2017, 05:00 AM
I bid you goodluck on your upcoming project @Daifuku  /no1
Looking forward to it  /heh

Maybe I'll leave the Low rate community and try this one out
Thank you icee!

Positive: She is capable of doing a huge amount of work in little time.
Negative: She may take Community feedback too much at heart.
I know, I'm not perfect but who is anyway. I do the best I can.  /no1
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Gene on Jul 19, 2017, 05:21 AM
Hello,

Lostac here, I've played Woon Reloaded since launch until the last few weeks before closing, then played elaria a bit when it opened but I didn't really stayed for long. Something just didn't feel right with the server trying to have LR features while being MR and vice versa.

Looking to join on your planned server but I'm joining the hype on the newly opened phro official server. So far everything's fine there except for some lags and their mixed up renewal stats+pre renewal monster stats which made the game feel total crap so if I get tired of it, maybe I could take a look.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: darkomega on Jul 19, 2017, 08:12 AM
Still looking for a good Medium Rate (MR) server here..
I hope its Boss Card-Disabled, or at least.. 50% effect (full effect is boring for me)  /heh

and I mean all of the cards have 50% effect, not just GTB  /gg
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Whalekins on Jul 19, 2017, 03:17 PM
This will probably be a very disorganised post as I am rushing to type this before a flight, but here's my two cents:

ElariaRO was a flop.
WoonRO was (surprisingly) a flop.
Elaria-WoonRO was a flop.

Speaking anecdotally, I have played WoonRO since almost its birth till its inevitable death, and I can definitely say that Nihad is one of the worst Administrators in the RO scene, almost as infamous as Boreas. Aggressive, hot-headed, stubborn and typically unfriendly are a few words that describe Nihad as an Administrator. He's terrible with the community, and his developing skills are not exactly stellar or life-changing. I could name a handful of other developers that have made a mark on RO private servers. In saying that, props to this potential team in making the decision that Nihad will not interact with the community and administrative side of things. Let's hope he doesn't fall under the same category as Cookies in ggRO where he, too, claimed the same absence in larger responsibilities of the server, we all know how that turned out.

Back to WoonRO - the only reason why the server lasted so long was because the players there did not want to ditch the gears and friends that they earned over WoonRO's longevity. It was not the quality of the server. The server would have died sooner if Seffi had not stepped in to finally acknowledge players' opinions. Unfortunately, there was not much else going for WoonRO. Just addition of kawaii hats and lack of additional end-game content to fulfil the boredom of its 150~ then remaining players.

When you look at pre-renewal Mid-Rates objectively, what are its typical end-game content? PVE? Not really. There is only so much a small team can do in revamping pre-Renewal's abysmal PvE content. Any attempt in furthering the pre-Renewal PvE content through customisation usually ends in an epic failure. Devil Square from WoonRO was arguably successful, but there was no real end-game towards it.
Theoretically you could steal Renewal instances and revamp it to fit pre-Renewal mechanics (as many have tried, and failed), but most people on your team has barely any understanding of proper balancing, and I have seen countless servers attempt to do it, and none of them have integrated them into pre-RE to the point where it became a mainstream part of the server's PvE content.

Now, the other aspect of pre-RE mid rates that attracts players is the ease of settling into the PVP/BG/WOE scene without grinding hardcore (compared to a typical low-rate). Yes, submitting to WoE players' mentality of "if you don't do X, we're going to leave" is counterproductive, but these issues are not black and white, which Nihad often viewed them as. For example, Seffi managed to satisfy the wants/needs of PVP/BG/WOE players without compromising the aims of WoonRO itself.

Having passion does not necessarily mean the server will ultimately bloom. Elaria, DoM and Elaria-Woon, all of which Daifuku had some sort of influence on, flopped. Sure, learning from mistakes is key, but what makes this particular attempt of creating a new mid-rate any different to her previous disasters. Your survey is completely flawed. Asking for demand without having a no option, is similar to asking how many people in USA suffer from diabetes, but using an already diabetes-diagnosed population as the sample. Another flaw is that, you are assuming that of those acclaimed 100+ supporters that you have, all 100+ will stay once you announce the details of your proposed server. That is unrealistic and rather amateur, given your boasted 2-5 years of Administrative experience.
Maybe this is a marketing strategy - creating hype before you make the server. You know what they say, a bad review is still a review. However, it says so much about the incompetence in the vision you have for your server.

Shourei and Seffi are decent people, I am sure they would be a great asset to your team. The rest, I do not remember or I do not want to remember.

I did not bother to read over what I wrote, so you can tear my post apart and white knight Daifuku, but if anyone knows me here, is that I'm adamant and mostly right about what I say.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 19, 2017, 03:54 PM
but if anyone knows me here, is that I'm adamant and mostly right about what I say.
(http://emojis.slackmojis.com/emojis/images/1450319441/51/facepalm.png?1450319441)

And despite it all being a "flop" you and a lot of other players still logged in to check the server out - see you soon, Den.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 19, 2017, 03:59 PM
Still looking for a good Medium Rate (MR) server here..
I hope its Boss Card-Disabled, or at least.. 50% effect (full effect is boring for me)  /heh

and I mean all of the cards have 50% effect, not just GTB  /gg
I'll throw you a PM soon.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Whalekins on Jul 19, 2017, 04:01 PM
(http://emojis.slackmojis.com/emojis/images/1450319441/51/facepalm.png?1450319441)

And despite it all being a "flop" you and a lot of other players still logged in to check the server out - see you soon, Den.

Can't know if it's a flop if you've never played it. Even a bigger failure to address anything in my post.
I'm sure people would rather hear it from someone who's actually played the servers than from a troll.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Jul 19, 2017, 05:46 PM
I want to start by saying I'm always right about everything I say. With that being said, why y'all derailing this thread by writing extended essays. I mean I used to feel hard in 2k14 about taking over servers, destroying guilds, rampaging pvp rooms, dethroning admins but that was when I was 20. Hitta enough of this game of thrones s***.

We gotta realize that this outdated mmorpg does not get as many new players as it used to a decade ago. Most of us who still make the 'occasional return' to RO are all mature now, like we all 20+ or s*** we gotta act our age sometimes. Yes elaria failed and yes woon failed but there were literally 100s of servers that failed before both these servers failed. Every private server is ultimately destined to fail. Don't get it twisted tho, it's the good times that you have with the people that you come across that matter. Out of the gazillion servers I've played, it's funny that I met one of my main internet homies on a yrvine server. Shoutout my boy cass one time.

I know this post is a little hazy but as I roll my third spliff and get ready to meet this bad one off tinder, I just want to say that I think we all should be a little bit friendlier. This dying RO community needs it. We are living in a strange time. We hide behind our devices, ignoring the people around us. We click through feeds of updates from our friends from under our covers in the dark. Too often, we are hateful toward what we don't understand. But I'm hopeful about you keyboard warriors, including the late - Bue.
Let's all stop hating each other and give thanks to the people who are still making RO possible in 2k17.

More Life to everybody (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/rejoice.png)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Reality on Jul 19, 2017, 06:23 PM
Lowkey wanted Reality to give me attention but I'll settle with your reply as compensation.

boi.

There was a reason that I typically responded to baiting with things like "no u", or "sure", or "ok kris".

I gave you a spicy shout-out right there.

-Reality

P.S. Also we are Skype contacts. Also Cass is still alive?

P.P.S. To keep this on topic, as much as I want to play RO, I don't want to play on a server (under active development anyway) with crappy management. I think I'm quite a bit less interested in Daifuku's server since this thread began as a result of the milquetoast responses to negative posts here. I think most of the U.S./EU RO population is too old for sugarcoating and stunts.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Tochi on Jul 20, 2017, 06:59 PM

P.P.S. To keep this on topic, as much as I want to play RO, I don't want to play on a server (under active development anyway) with crappy management. I think I'm quite a bit less interested in Daifuku's server since this thread began as a result of the milquetoast responses to negative posts here. I think most of the U.S./EU RO population is too old for sugarcoating and stunts.

Soooo make us a new server to play...
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: SukiChii on Jul 20, 2017, 07:23 PM
Soooo make us a new server to play...
His(?) administrative skills are not in question.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Ravs on Jul 21, 2017, 12:50 PM
Didn't care for Woon or ElariaWoon Ro. But calling ElariaRO ( the original LR ) a flop is just plain wrong. I was there, and it rocked. Which is why I still follow Daifuku.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Zinnia on Jul 21, 2017, 03:16 PM
His(?) administrative skills are not in question.

Do you have administrative skills?
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Sniggers on Jul 21, 2017, 04:27 PM
If you really want to know if people would actually play a server you need to actually tell them what the server would be. The devil is in the details, as I am sure you realized after that last hybrid cluster .... that ya all produced. 

There is not a decent mid rate (REAL mid rate) out there now.  If you are gonna do it, the sooner the better. But I have a feeling that also isn't something that will happen.

Either way, good luck.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Jul 22, 2017, 03:25 AM
boi.

I gave you a spicy shout-out right there.

P.S. Also we are Skype contacts. Also Cass is still alive?
wow people still use skype? Imma redownload skype real quick just to dm you. Yaaas cass is alive, he's pretending to be a sneakerhead these days by copping feezys aka fake yeezys.

P.P.S. To keep this on topic, as much as I want to play RO, I don't want to play on a server (under active development anyway) with crappy management. I think I'm quite a bit less interested in Daifuku's server since this thread began as a result of the milquetoast responses to negative posts here. I think most of the U.S./EU RO population is too old for sugarcoating and stunts.

I'm pretty sure there's no decent MR right now which means anybody that makes a decent server is going to milk the MR community. I think it's time for a KrisRO hmu if you want to make this happen cause idk coding. I'm also open to different server names if that's what you're into.

P.S: Immy you are not gangsta so stop typing like one but dm if you're not in an online realtionship rn
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Beyond on Jul 22, 2017, 09:52 AM
makes a decent server

What would be a decent server for you Kris?

Most people just want a fresh server to play in so they feel they're not insanely behind everyone else, then they just drop it as soon as they have decently geared characters (there's generally nothing else to do other than PvP).

I just want a place where I can grind a bit and chat a lot, that's RO for me.
I don't care about WoE these days and I loathe BGs since they're half the problem that plagues RO servers with the freebies you can get from it.

Since people talked about woon and elaria-woon, just gonna leave my 2 cents here

WoonRO - was a ncie place, people chatted and had some fun there
Elaria-Woon - Well it was dead when i checked it, and it felt confusing as F-, especially the warnings on @go usage.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: dinosaurpie on Jul 22, 2017, 09:19 PM
What would be a decent server for you Kris?

Most people just want a fresh server to play in so they feel they're not insanely behind everyone else, then they just drop it as soon as they have decently geared characters (there's generally nothing else to do other than PvP).

I just want a place where I can grind a bit and chat a lot, that's RO for me.
I don't care about WoE these days and I loathe BGs since they're half the problem that plagues RO servers with the freebies you can get from it.

Since people talked about woon and elaria-woon, just gonna leave my 2 cents here

WoonRO - was a ncie place, people chatted and had some fun there
Elaria-Woon - Well it was dead when i checked it, and it felt confusing as F-, especially the warnings on @go usage.

Most RO players are so afraid of change, they rather the server die instead of change. As a result, RO never goes anywhere. Server comes up -> dies -> New server comes up -> dies.

The whole problem with RO is that the end game content (PvP namely, whether it be WoE, BG, or PvP) is dead content. It's always the same. In fact, servers that promote change don't succeed, because the community doesn't want the change. If Elaria was confusing for you guys, look at Rise of Midgard. Great server idea, failed to take off.

If you're looking for a game where people grind a bit, chat a bit, idle around--and you don't want the group dying on you--you're better off joining some gaming group from Reddit. They wont play RO, but they do exactly that on whichever game floats the boat at the time, be it a steam game, rpg, or maybe even something more moba like league.

What I wanna see is a midrate server that plays itself like a highrate. DreamerRO does a particularly good job of this. Gear is easy to obtain. It turns RO's minigames into a MOBA fashion. In a sense, in League, you predict the game 10 mins down the road. Tanks building armor and health, I need my armor penetration to be built NOW, so that when they finish their armor 10 mins later, I have my armor pen ready to go. The other rising esport right now, overwatch, does exactly the opposite. They run dva, you pocket roadhog to displace her shielding. They run pharah, you switch to widow. You counter by changing the ENTIRE character as a whole in an instant. No prediction needed. You can always swap should something not go well.

In DreamerRO, I get the experience between these two types of games. In BG, you can't swap your entire character as a whole, but you can swap parts. Dueling a wizard? Get that GTB on. Dueling a monk? GR toggle ready to go. But a GX is a GX, you can't class change without leaving the game. Whereas league decisions are permanent, and overwatch reactions are purely consequential, RO provides a bunch of mini games in between these two types of games. It's a soft-counter MOBA.

As for midrate? I wanna see a midrate with a community that understands AD is OP as hell. AD should be nerfed, Asura should be nerfed. LK/Sinx/WS should be buffed and/or reworked. I wanna see a midrate that can change the entire meta of WoE/BG every 2 weeks with balance patching, like how league pushes their competitive scene. Sometimes we deathball (bragi, AD, prof, devo stacking). Sometimes assassins just run rampant and kill everyone with sonic blows. Sometimes LK Bruiser should be meta. I wanna see WoE get limited to guild sizes of 7--just enough to hold 1 of every base class. You don't need guilds of 28 and 4 creos. I rather have 4 guilds of 7, and 1 DPS Creo in each guild. May the best Deathball win. These changes would make RO far more fun.

How would this be a midrate? Midrate for me has NEVER meant 50-100x rates. That was a definition that somehow came about because of the nature of RO. Midrate meant that we would be 99/70 Trans, 150dex insta-cast, WoE/BG focused imo. < As long as these aspects are there, I would still consider the game midrate.


*Edit: I didn't realize this was Daifuku's thread advertising her upcoming server.*

This is what I wanna see:
Rates are negligible, make it like 250x/250x/250x or higher. Ban all mvp cards.

99/70 Level Caps, Trans, 150 dex insta cast.

MVP maps can be left alone, but gears such as combat knife should have an easy quest to creation. End game gears should NOT be hard to obtain.

Repetitive Gears should be patched bi-weekly to add new meta to the game. That is: Beret and Feather Beret should not have the same effect. If Beret is already doing demihuman-10%, let Feather Beret do something more interesting than +1mdef. For example, FBeret could do something like After receiving neutral damage, gain -40% reduction to neutral, +40% to all other elements.  After receiving elemental damage, +40% neutral, -40% to all elements. This means you can't build a true pure tank prof. Alternating damage between HW and Creo would murder the prof using this item, but AD spam is not effective. < Now the meta has changed. If they're only running AD DPS, trolololol on them. Toggle off when they decide to DFF you on your LP.

^RO's code is OLD. I'm not sure how flexible item abilities can be. If this isn't possible, I'm sure someone can think of creative ideas to alter the AD Deathball meta. 

Older game mechanics should be removed. AD should not do 10 hits. 1 big hit = no hit lock mechanics = more fair and fun to play/watch = no need ROext/alternate grf/ROmed. Potions should be HOT, healing over time, not spam.

Guilds limit to 7 members in WoE. WoE rewards should be costumes otherwise unobtainable. There can be other costumes for those who don't like woe, but woe costumes are for woe.

BG needs to be addressed somehow. Minigames are fun. When everyone starts rolling champs and team work goes to die, BG is not fun. This can be experimental though.

Lastly, Lead GM should shoutcast the WoE on Twitch. There's ultimately no place for RO in today's RPG market. RO is dead. WoE is what keeps RO alive and exciting in the majority of servers. As far as twitch goes, remember RO:RE? Remember how people started streaming it? Yea there's an audience, even in NA. With proper advertising, you make a game that reminds people of their childhood, of the fun, of the guild fights. Yet its new, its detailed, its different. It's nostalgic, yet new.

This might be one way to make a server that will last longer than 3 months. IF you get C&D'd, go lolololol at how you did RO so well you were actually noticed.



PSS: The hell happened to Kris? He actually typed a paragraph instead of replying with 2 memes? What kinda revelation did he receive to have enlightened him so??
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Jul 23, 2017, 04:35 AM
What would be a decent server for you Kris?

Imma be honest with y'all. A decent server for me would be a copy paste yrvine server. WoE players still gonna woe, PvP players still gonna pvp and the tea party squad still gon afk in prontera like they supposed to regardless of the custom content you add to a server. Rebalancing renewal content to meet pre-renewal standards helps create initial hype and might even bring pvm players but let's be real honest, MRs aren't like LRs that last for years. Hittas like to routinely jump servers every couple of months on the next hype server so wasting time and money on content people won't ultimately appreciate is just not worth it on MRs.

PSS: The hell happened to Kris? He actually typed a paragraph instead of replying with 2 memes? What kinda revelation did he receive to have enlightened him so??

I was going to take you seriously but then I took the time to read your extended essay about server rates. Upon carefully reading and analyzing your thesis, I've come to two conclusions;

1. You don't understand what a meta is
2. I'll never get the two minutes that I wasted reading your thesis back

PSS: Statistically speaking, all the mid rates that played like low rates or high rates are the servers that die the quickest because they end up being in no mans land.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: snakeside on Jul 23, 2017, 05:59 AM
...
I wanna see a midrate with a community that understands AD is OP as hell. AD should be nerfed, Asura should be nerfed. LK/Sinx/WS should be buffed and/or reworked.
...
This is what I wanna see:
Rates are negligible, make it like 250x/250x/250x or higher. Ban all mvp cards.
...

You are saying acid bomb is OP but you want to ban the counters for acid bomb?


In DreamerRO, I get the experience between these two types of games. In BG, you can't swap your entire character as a whole, but you can swap parts. Dueling a wizard? Get that GTB on. Dueling a monk? GR toggle ready to go. But a GX is a GX, you can't class change without leaving the game. Whereas league decisions are permanent, and overwatch reactions are purely consequential, RO provides a bunch of mini games in between these two types of games. It's a soft-counter MOBA.


You can do this "minigame soft-counter MOBA" thing of yours in a 99/70 server with essential MVP cards (GR, tgk, stormy knight, devi, gtb, etc.) easily obtainable.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Yuzo on Jul 23, 2017, 10:34 AM
I want to start by saying I'm always right about everything I say. With that being said, why y'all derailing this thread by writing extended essays. I mean I used to feel hard in 2k14 about taking over servers, destroying guilds, rampaging pvp rooms, dethroning admins but that was when I was 20. Hitta enough of this game of thrones s***.

We gotta realize that this outdated mmorpg does not get as many new players as it used to a decade ago. Most of us who still make the 'occasional return' to RO are all mature now, like we all 20+ or s*** we gotta act our age sometimes. Yes elaria failed and yes woon failed but there were literally 100s of servers that failed before both these servers failed. Every private server is ultimately destined to fail. Don't get it twisted tho, it's the good times that you have with the people that you come across that matter. Out of the gazillion servers I've played, it's funny that I met one of my main internet homies on a yrvine server. Shoutout my boy cass one time.

I know this post is a little hazy but as I roll my third spliff and get ready to meet this bad one off tinder, I just want to say that I think we all should be a little bit friendlier. This dying RO community needs it. We are living in a strange time. We hide behind our devices, ignoring the people around us. We click through feeds of updates from our friends from under our covers in the dark. Too often, we are hateful toward what we don't understand. But I'm hopeful about you keyboard warriors, including the late - Bue.
Let's all stop hating each other and give thanks to the people who are still making RO possible in 2k17.

More Life to everybody (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/rejoice.png)


dude kris you believe ur own hype way too much. lay off the drugs they are bad for you.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Charity Case on Jul 24, 2017, 11:17 PM
What if i told you,your making the wrong server.
One thing you need to realize about ro is analyzing what "hype" is relevant and what isnt.
Right now low rate classic servers are poppin.
Low rate is the way to go,i would go at the highest 3x. The server life expectancy goes up.RO is a grind game,if you dont want to grind then you shouldnt be playing ro.If you want to just pvp/woe then go play on a pvp server..RO is at its finest when you have the proper ratio of time spent doing pvm vs pvp/woe(Or at least spending "x" amount of time before reaching a pvp/woe status,which majority of woe guilds will try to achieve before they just eventually only log on for the weekly woe or occasional pvp fun.For mid rates its also just farming on Battlegrounds to get enough badges for woe mats aswell.To me this is a big issue,it pretty much means the server is on its deathbed.)

The real question is,at what rate is this best at?.IMO 1x would be nice to experience,but iRO is not the answer and the servers that have opened at 1x have been absolute s*** show due to poor management.Dont get me wrong, iv played on some great Mid rate servers over the years,bu for ME the best experiences have all come from low rates. Its why phro and ro:restart are poppin.People WANT it to work out to live its hype ,so they play it for the first few months then they realize the same issues have risen again and that nothing has changed as per usual. Theres already s*** ton of bots on ro:restart(kudos for s*** the bed already gravity,you never disappoint do you? smh 10+ years and you still cant get it right.sorry excuse this venting)
One of the most,if not the most, highly populated server in recent years was a low rate.(Actually theres a few to name)

You are more likely to get 1k+ population with a  low rate server then you are a mid rate.Im not a stats freak and i dont play ro 12 months a year,but my memory serves to remember low rates more often.1x is how RO is meant to be,just never really had the server to emulate the same  experience people had back in the day.

IMO. Low rate progressive server until like morroc ruins episode.Originsro had the right idea,but nobody is going to wait 1 year for trans.

Edit: Can you  ban Bue already? Annoying af i swear.Your the devil in human form.And yeah your prob going to go through my posts and try to find some roast material but idgf cause your an a-hole to the heart and i could care less about an idiot like you on the forums.Piss off if ur not gonna vote or want to be part of a server led by her.
Seriously need to start cleaning up Bues posts in here,utter troll and annoyance.Makes me cringe reading ur posts.Its funny at first,but wtf you post someones selfie pic? do you have some mental illness or what?. its 2017 on RMS and your still pullin this s***.Real weirdo is you.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Bottles on Jul 25, 2017, 02:09 AM
What if i told you,your making the wrong server.
One thing you need to realize about ro is analyzing what "hype" is relevant and what isnt.
Right now low rate classic servers are poppin.
Low rate is the way to go,i would go at the highest 3x. The server life expectancy goes up.RO is a grind game,if you dont want to grind then you shouldnt be playing ro.If you want to just pvp/woe then go play on a pvp server..RO is at its finest when you have the proper ratio of time spent doing pvm vs pvp/woe(Or at least spending "x" amount of time before reaching a pvp/woe status,which majority of woe guilds will try to achieve before they just eventually only log on for the weekly woe or occasional pvp fun.For mid rates its also just farming on Battlegrounds to get enough badges for woe mats aswell.To me this is a big issue,it pretty much means the server is on its deathbed.)

The real question is,at what rate is this best at?.IMO 1x would be nice to experience,but iRO is not the answer and the servers that have opened at 1x have been absolute s*** show due to poor management.Dont get me wrong, iv played on some great Mid rate servers over the years,bu for ME the best experiences have all come from low rates. Its why phro and ro:restart are poppin.People WANT it to work out to live its hype ,so they play it for the first few months then they realize the same issues have risen again and that nothing has changed as per usual. Theres already s*** ton of bots on ro:restart(kudos for s*** the bed already gravity,you never disappoint do you? smh 10+ years and you still cant get it right.sorry excuse this venting)
One of the most,if not the most, highly populated server in recent years was a low rate.(Actually theres a few to name)

You are more likely to get 1k+ population with a  low rate server then you are a mid rate.Im not a stats freak and i dont play ro 12 months a year,but my memory serves to remember low rates more often.1x is how RO is meant to be,just never really had the server to emulate the same  experience people had back in the day.

IMO. Low rate progressive server until like morroc ruins episode.Originsro had the right idea,but nobody is going to wait 1 year for trans.

Edit: Can you  ban Bue already? Annoying af i swear.Your the devil in human form.And yeah your prob going to go through my posts and try to find some roast material but idgf cause your an a-hole to the heart and i could care less about an idiot like you on the forums.Piss off if ur not gonna vote or want to be part of a server led by her.
Seriously need to start cleaning up Bues posts in here,utter troll and annoyance.Makes me cringe reading ur posts.Its funny at first,but wtf you post someones selfie pic? do you have some mental illness or what?. its 2017 on RMS and your still pullin this s***.Real weirdo is you.
That "most popular" low rate server stays popular for lord only knows why. If a requirement for a server with long life is that it needs to be grind oriented like the original then I'd suggest you find a different example. If you've ever logged on there, you would have realized that you can vote for mvp cards, there is absolutely nothing grind-y about that. In fact, I'd be as bold as to say that is a high rate server quality.

  That hatred for Bue though...I don't advocate what Bue says in other threads, however he has made a perfectly viable point here. The OP didn't put any kind of description as to what kind of server it will be, nor did she make any indication as to who would be assisting her in this project. The lack of information is apparent, so the skepticism from the community should be equally obvious.

  I wouldn't exactly say the low rate classic servers are "poppin", there are just a lot more of them being made. 10 servers with 10 ppl on each is the same as 1 server with 100 ppl on it.

  Another person that believes that because it takes longer to reach end-game content, must mean that the server lasts longer...sigh.... The fact is regardless of any rate, there will be someone that reaches that particular point your imagining. Do you really think they just stop after they ascertain everything? To just go somewhere else and do the same thing? If that was the case there wouldn't be any kind of end-game activities like WoE/PvP. Frankly, your generalizing people way too much, people will stay in a server for their own reasons. Whether its for friends, ubiquitous wealth(which every server has and evry1 continues to do even after they reach end game..), or just because they are lazy to move on to a new place. Point is, if your saying there is a particular rate that leads to longevity, then you really don't understand the community. All rates appeal to someone, otherwise there would only be 1 rate... Seriously, deduction is a powerful thing.

  Oh yea, RO is definitely NOT a 'grind game'. It's 100% luck, because a .01% will always be .01% on each kill, despite how many you've killed prior to it(just like buying a lottery ticket). I've gotten an AmonRa card on the first kill(.01%), and yet I've grind killed devi/GR for well over a decade and have never gotten the card to drop(.01-1%). You also can't 'grind' a +10 equip, I'm sure we all have had times where we have made a +9 out of 3 items, and then at times have had dozens of dboots(or anything) and not a single pair gets to +7. Higher rates simply lower the investment(time as well as zeny) into getting those gears. I certainly don't see in any of scripts for refining that increases your chances of success with repetition of the same item. That hasn't changed since '02.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Bue on Jul 25, 2017, 02:24 AM
Most RO players are so afraid of change, they rather the server die instead of change. As a result, RO never goes anywhere. Server comes up -> dies -> New server comes up -> dies.

The whole problem with RO is that the end game content (PvP namely, whether it be WoE, BG, or PvP) is dead content. It's always the same. In fact, servers that promote change don't succeed, because the community doesn't want the change. If Elaria was confusing for you guys, look at Rise of Midgard. Great server idea, failed to take off.

If you're looking for a game where people grind a bit, chat a bit, idle around--and you don't want the group dying on you--you're better off joining some gaming group from Reddit. They wont play RO, but they do exactly that on whichever game floats the boat at the time, be it a steam game, rpg, or maybe even something more moba like league.

What I wanna see is a midrate server that plays itself like a highrate. DreamerRO does a particularly good job of this. Gear is easy to obtain. It turns RO's minigames into a MOBA fashion. In a sense, in League, you predict the game 10 mins down the road. Tanks building armor and health, I need my armor penetration to be built NOW, so that when they finish their armor 10 mins later, I have my armor pen ready to go. The other rising esport right now, overwatch, does exactly the opposite. They run dva, you pocket roadhog to displace her shielding. They run pharah, you switch to widow. You counter by changing the ENTIRE character as a whole in an instant. No prediction needed. You can always swap should something not go well.

In DreamerRO, I get the experience between these two types of games. In BG, you can't swap your entire character as a whole, but you can swap parts. Dueling a wizard? Get that GTB on. Dueling a monk? GR toggle ready to go. But a GX is a GX, you can't class change without leaving the game. Whereas league decisions are permanent, and overwatch reactions are purely consequential, RO provides a bunch of mini games in between these two types of games. It's a soft-counter MOBA.

As for midrate? I wanna see a midrate with a community that understands AD is OP as hell. AD should be nerfed, Asura should be nerfed. LK/Sinx/WS should be buffed and/or reworked. I wanna see a midrate that can change the entire meta of WoE/BG every 2 weeks with balance patching, like how league pushes their competitive scene. Sometimes we deathball (bragi, AD, prof, devo stacking). Sometimes assassins just run rampant and kill everyone with sonic blows. Sometimes LK Bruiser should be meta. I wanna see WoE get limited to guild sizes of 7--just enough to hold 1 of every base class. You don't need guilds of 28 and 4 creos. I rather have 4 guilds of 7, and 1 DPS Creo in each guild. May the best Deathball win. These changes would make RO far more fun.

How would this be a midrate? Midrate for me has NEVER meant 50-100x rates. That was a definition that somehow came about because of the nature of RO. Midrate meant that we would be 99/70 Trans, 150dex insta-cast, WoE/BG focused imo. < As long as these aspects are there, I would still consider the game midrate.


*Edit: I didn't realize this was Daifuku's thread advertising her upcoming server.*

This is what I wanna see:
Rates are negligible, make it like 250x/250x/250x or higher. Ban all mvp cards.

99/70 Level Caps, Trans, 150 dex insta cast.

MVP maps can be left alone, but gears such as combat knife should have an easy quest to creation. End game gears should NOT be hard to obtain.

Repetitive Gears should be patched bi-weekly to add new meta to the game. That is: Beret and Feather Beret should not have the same effect. If Beret is already doing demihuman-10%, let Feather Beret do something more interesting than +1mdef. For example, FBeret could do something like After receiving neutral damage, gain -40% reduction to neutral, +40% to all other elements.  After receiving elemental damage, +40% neutral, -40% to all elements. This means you can't build a true pure tank prof. Alternating damage between HW and Creo would murder the prof using this item, but AD spam is not effective. < Now the meta has changed. If they're only running AD DPS, trolololol on them. Toggle off when they decide to DFF you on your LP.

^RO's code is OLD. I'm not sure how flexible item abilities can be. If this isn't possible, I'm sure someone can think of creative ideas to alter the AD Deathball meta. 

Older game mechanics should be removed. AD should not do 10 hits. 1 big hit = no hit lock mechanics = more fair and fun to play/watch = no need ROext/alternate grf/ROmed. Potions should be HOT, healing over time, not spam.

Guilds limit to 7 members in WoE. WoE rewards should be costumes otherwise unobtainable. There can be other costumes for those who don't like woe, but woe costumes are for woe.

BG needs to be addressed somehow. Minigames are fun. When everyone starts rolling champs and team work goes to die, BG is not fun. This can be experimental though.

Lastly, Lead GM should shoutcast the WoE on Twitch. There's ultimately no place for RO in today's RPG market. RO is dead. WoE is what keeps RO alive and exciting in the majority of servers. As far as twitch goes, remember RO:RE? Remember how people started streaming it? Yea there's an audience, even in NA. With proper advertising, you make a game that reminds people of their childhood, of the fun, of the guild fights. Yet its new, its detailed, its different. It's nostalgic, yet new.

This might be one way to make a server that will last longer than 3 months. IF you get C&D'd, go lolololol at how you did RO so well you were actually noticed.



PSS: The hell happened to Kris? He actually typed a paragraph instead of replying with 2 memes? What kinda revelation did he receive to have enlightened him so??

It has more do with lazy developers that don't bother to test and evaluate their own work than it is about player backlash against customizations. As you said, I also think players want new content, better itemization schemes, and a fresh new meta-game on a regular basis. And it would be even more appealing if developers can get streaming personalities to host and stream events on twitch. (Although, the only shoutcaster I ever came across was Fluorite (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6CNjR9offE), but it was mostly shenanigans.)

The only problem is that it takes a lot of time, skill, and work to accomplished without a proportional amount of donations in return. Instead, you are better off selling enterprise software and building a software company to become a self-made multi-millionaire than going through all that.

Also, your idea about patching repetitive gears on a bi-weekly basis is doable, but it would be a tedious task for developers to constantly sync the item database on the server with the client tables, including writing the item script randomizer and generator. And on a related note, I know a guy who has a particular set of skills and tools in that area, but that guy is basically hitler.  ::)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Woon on Jul 25, 2017, 10:56 AM
Sup kiddos.
Was linked to the topic, thought I should say hi. I have been MIA for a few months now.

For those wondering, my martial arts school is going amazingly well. The support from the community is really good, in fact we're moving to a bigger location this weekend because the current one is too small for my classes. I'm having a really good time doing something amazingly fun for a job. I get to punch and kick people all day and they pay me for it :o

On topic. I neither have the time nor the patience for an Admin position. The patience I have I use IRL for my students so I don't feel like dealing with trolls on a daily basis. Anyway I'm looking forward to a strictly developer position. Right now I'm working on some cool feature that's similar to the guild system we had on EWRO but a lot less game impacting. I'm sure Daifu doesn't want me saying much more yet.

I saw a lot of people asking about the details of the server and what more are they getting besides Daifu as Admin. We have all of the features from EWRO ready to go so little time needs to be invested in those. We are doing some heavy refining on the controversial features, removing some and polishing up on others so that we find a nice balance between fun and longevity. The plan Daifu has so far looks really promising and I think it may just be the sweet spot for a MR. I've tried releasing and sharing some of my codes to rAthena and Herc but people be greedy yo, so I stopped. As a result you will still be getting a lot of exclusive content that you cannot get on other servers.

Anywhooo, just thought I'd drop by and say hi. Not sure what the plan is from Daifu, as to when and how and the details. Not sure if I said too much, but from what I can see there is plenty of support for a MR by the listed crew.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Jul 25, 2017, 11:02 AM
Did not check rms much recently but the topic is still getting replies.. that's good I guess - shows activity.

A decent server for me would be a copy paste yrvine server.
I think it's time for a KrisRO hmu if you want to make this happen cause idk coding. I'm also open to different server names if that's what you're into.
I think he's selling his server files currently, so go for it Kris! It's going to be the most "afk in pron sitting and sometimes popping into PvP"-server I've ever seen!

What if i told you,your making the wrong server.
Low rate is the way to go,i would go at the highest 3x.
I came from the LR dev-scene +/- a year ago and I don't see myself going back there for a while.
The LR community that I got to experience was super nice, understanding and patient but I wanted to explore the MR scene for a reason and here I am.

Its funny at first,but wtf you post someones selfie pic? do you have some mental illness or what?
Was told it's a common thing to do if people want attention or a faster response, in my case I did not care much that he posted it because I am fine with my ugly face ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But I appreciate that everyone is trying to teach Bue that such actions are not as cool as he thinks they are and I think he got that by now.

Anyway, the survey is looking great I took a peek recently and we are at over 200 potential interested players already and wow Nihad replied while I was typing!
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Jul 25, 2017, 10:28 PM
Did not check rms much recently

but when you did, you got Nihad as reinforcement (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/3w2MWDX.png)

but the topic is still getting replies.. that's good I guess - shows activity.

if you do start checking rms "recently"/regularly, you'll see that this thread is active, cause I've wanted it to be (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/5I5s8.png)

I think he's selling his server files currently, so go for it Kris! It's going to be the most "afk in pron sitting and sometimes popping into PvP"-server I've ever seen!

would 'high'key love to buy server files from my boy yrvine, but I've envisioned something bigger, something better, something which the MR community needs. What I can promise the people of RMS is that, while I'm not directly involved, something big is coming to a store near you.
The surprise to the community will be presented on the exact same day as Elaria v2/v3
I can also guarantee that I'll still be the "most afk in pron sitting person" partly cause I quit RO a couple years ago but mainly because of game of thrones season 7, AKA let the games begin (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/3V8qFHN.png)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Mathy on Jul 31, 2017, 07:13 AM
IMO. Low rate progressive server until like morroc ruins episode.Originsro had the right idea,but nobody is going to wait 1 year for trans.
You and I have a very different idea of what "nobody" means, because I know very well people have been "waiting" 3.5 years for trans there already, with possibly a year more to come. You'd be surprised how large the Pre-Trans community is.

If you are interested in a mid-rate though, then yes, you likely want a faster progression.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Vic7us on Aug 04, 2017, 05:51 AM
Used to play on Elaria and absolutely loved it. Also wanted to join the fun on ElariaWoonReloaded but I moved to another city that time and you know it can really be a pain in the donkey to organize all the stuff, get used to the new environment, place of work etc. So the second I had the chance to check if it was still alive ... well, it kinda was dead already. ( Hint: The name was Vidar on the forums, I created a grf-thread and posted some content before real life kicked my donkey :P )

I'd really love to play on a fresh low- or midrate server. Spent some time checking out servers the past couple of days and we definitely need a good pre-renewal mid rate server. 200 potential players, that's insane. GO FOR IT!

Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: BestPlayerEver on Aug 04, 2017, 03:31 PM
Here we go again. Looks like people need money again.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: BestPlayerEver on Aug 04, 2017, 03:55 PM
Just because of the gap in the midrate scene right now, you'll get people joining. But for players like me who'd rather not grind for a year and then see it going to waste because the Admin decides she feels unappreciated and closes the server is ridiculous.

Again, this server will be a hit or miss yet still have the same inevitable outcome of closing in a year.

@Bue, There's not point arguing on the "losing" side, aka bashing another player, especially a carebear female GM. These people will always have a bunch of supporters as they have good relationships with players. Being a female on RO or any Internet game makes them an instant celebrity, proven by post your picture threads where ugly beat donkey girls have guys drooling over them.

I'm late to this post but from what I gathered, the original post showed no information on the server besides a poll asking for interest. That's pretty useless as the poll is bias. Either players who support Daifuku will vote "yes," players who dislike Daifuku will "No," or randoms who just want a new hype midrate will "yes."

You can't expect to have a proper representation of interest without fully disclosing the features of the server.


What is the difference between this new server versus old? Besides the shift in administrative power?

@Daifuku, you have good brand equity but I don't think you know how to create a good balanced server.

All that being said, I support your new server because midrates are a dud right now. I personally wouldn't join your server unless it's still stable, 150+ active players, after a year. I think the reason why some players bash you is because the way you carry yourself as an Admin, you are very passive aggressive, if not flat out aggressive.

WoonRO was a perfect server with a good PvP scene and fluctuating BG/WoE scene. People bashed but it was a great home for many players. f*** you Nihad, I grinded for 2 years to get my s***)




Final words: Servers nowadays have clear unfair treatment to certain players. I think it's good to have trolls/haters on every server, if not for those people, who else would be willing to go against the status quo? If your bestfriend really your bestfriend if all that person does is support your ideas, even if it's bad?

I was on the council team for Woon and let me tell you, that inside information you get from the Skype groups can be abused. My boys on the inside would tell me the gears of another player so I can adjust my build accordingly in PvP. Cough Seffi ;)   Not to mention the billions of zeny I farmed because I knew items would be buffed and I +9/10'd them when they were still cheap to buy.



You know midrates are in the gutters when even Kris doesn't bash them anymore.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Bue on Aug 04, 2017, 08:15 PM
What is the difference between this new server versus old? Besides the shift in administrative power?

They just wanted to wipe the server and start off with a clean slate, but the players voted for a server shutdown. Instead of shutting down the server with grace and dignity, they made development promises and dragged it out for a while before going down in flames, i.e. lost passion, not making any money, and moving on with their lives. Right now, my guess is that they will continue with their previous development and make changes as to not qualified as a copy-and-paste server.

Oh yeah. This thread really took off after some provocation and OP posted a link of this thread on EWR discord. Its too bad because a few post in this thread were insightful and I want to build a server along the lines of dinosaurpie post.

Anyways, let see what ends up happening. I expect more of the same though. :)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: misterj on Aug 05, 2017, 02:10 PM
theres not money in ro unless youre running a cashcow p2w s*** like officials/talon/nova. even still i doubt those pull enough in to anyone except the **** at the top (that all goes out the window if youre from a 3rd world s***, i guess!). why do you think no projects in the ro world go anywhere?

its very unfortunate that some corrupt gm revealed to the world that you had a 150 dex prof with stacked long range and demihuman resists. idk how you could compete once that was figured out. :/

i have no idea how this thread is still alive, but god it's fun to watch!
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Bottles on Aug 05, 2017, 03:03 PM
theres not money in ro unless youre running a cashcow p2w s*** like officials/talon/nova.
Haha Nova a p2w server? How do you figure? The best weapon, headgear, garment, shoes, and accessories come from pvm.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Esperite on Aug 07, 2017, 01:41 AM
Well, just skipped a bunch of pages, but although I prefer low rates, I'll try this out. I did play Elaria before and it was enjoyable. I actually forgot a lot about the server though... *digs through my ~1900 screenshots and gets my TK kicks ready*
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Aug 07, 2017, 07:24 AM
..but although I prefer low rates, I'll try this out. I did play Elaria before and it was enjoyable...

Glad you enjoyed it. Feel free to drop me some of your old screenshots via PM! I'd love to see them.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Aug 07, 2017, 04:28 PM
You know midrates are in the gutters when even Kris doesn't bash them anymore.

this problem gonna be solved soon (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/IQUrKs6.png)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Corgers on Aug 17, 2017, 10:11 PM
My heart will always be with mid-rate servers. Best of luck, Daifuku!
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Styx on Aug 19, 2017, 02:16 PM
Oh well, it really depends how stable the concept will be but if it is just that as announced and nothing changes much, probably yes.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Oldschooler on Sep 05, 2017, 03:18 PM
Why the s*** am I receiving emails from you promoting your RO server, Daifuku...?

I always make sure to select "No Emails" from any RO server.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't spam people.  This is why you should use fake emails for RO.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Sep 05, 2017, 05:13 PM
Why the s*** am I receiving emails from you promoting your RO server, Daifuku...?

I always make sure to select "No Emails" from any RO server.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't spam people.  This is why you should use fake emails for RO.

If you have received an e-mail regarding our new server, that means you have subscribed to our community boards at one point of time. You should be able to unsubscribe to the e-mail anytime by clicking the unsubscribe button at the bottom of the e-mail. If not you are free to PM me your e-mail, and I will remove you manually from the list.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Blinzer on Sep 07, 2017, 09:14 AM
Quote
- Daifuku: Administrator/Project Leader
- Shourei: Administrative Assistant/Head GM
- Nihad: Lead Developer/Content Developer
- Artemsis: Marketing Strategist/SEM Manager
- Seffi: Game Master/Forum Enforcement
- Akkori: Visual Developer

i have a question.

why do you have so many staff for such a small project? what exactly is the role of your administrative heads, if there is any outside of brand name? can you please explain to us what kind of changes your lead developer is making to source code and/or your hosting server? how can these be considered any different or better than any other established servers which have historically lasted much longer than yours have? what reason or motives have you provided for players to believe that your server will be able to last any longer than your previous servers? can you explain to us the reasoning behind allocating 4 to 5 out of your 6 potential staff members to the role of marketing, site management and graphics design, instead of opting to allocate more resources into working on the features you can provide players in-game?

there's too many people here who don't ask the right questions.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Woon on Sep 07, 2017, 04:22 PM
Thanks for your reply, allow me to answer your questions.
Small project? no,
Big project? no .
Discord has more people than your forums? Yes
You jelly much? yes

Roles of administrator heads?
They administrate the heads of people, duh.
Are there any roles besides brand name?
Who are you again, I refuse to play on your server since I have no clue who you are.
Changes to source code n stuff?
I have added stuff like ummmmmm, no... s*** nothing. You got me thereeeee. I threw away all my source edits I have saved up over the years. Sure was a shame throwing away that restock system that is more elaborate than your entire server.
How is this better than previous servers.
Well even my worst server which lasted 1 week was less cringy than reading your posts and PMs, so we have that going for us.
Reasons for believing it will last longer than previous ones?
This one I will answer legit. The last server I focused on longevity n s*** cause before that my servers were known for lasting years and staying active. However players seem not to rly care for longevity anymore. They want something fun and exciting. So we are focusing on that, we hope that our dedication and never ending improvement will allow the server to last. We don't want to stretch s*** out for players, we will give it all to them right away and let them decide where to go from there. As a lot of the players said last time. "We know AtlasRO is going down in 6 months, but man it is going to be one hell of a ride." And it sure was. Hopefully we can have a longer ride than them tho...
Why allocating so much to marketing?
So the server doesn't end up like yours...

Too many people that don't ask the right questions?
Agreed. But even the best question coming from an ill intending f*** is a stupid question.
Your topic got shut down because you butt hurt too hard. Mods please don't close this one cause of this asshat. Just tell us to stop trolling.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: iEnergizer on Sep 07, 2017, 08:20 PM
my taste
mvp card drop rate: .01%

what most players want in RO in this generation:
short game
constant updates
new gears/items during update
cool costumes
fast leveling but mid rate drop (card/items)
events
bg & cool bg stuff
active police banning bots


let me know if ^this server exist.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Sep 07, 2017, 08:31 PM
i have a question.

why do you have so many staff for such a small project?

Bruh you trippin.
Apart from Ninerd's involvement, I personally haven't seen a more disappointing lineup since the last Arsenal football game
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Blinzer on Sep 08, 2017, 03:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Hoq2lP7.png)

All of this is not a very good look on you, friend.

For what it's worth though, your one real answer wasn't bad. I just wish that you were more intelligent.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Yuzo on Sep 08, 2017, 10:52 AM
admins, are you now convinced Blinzer is just a troll trying to drum up bad reactions from people? please suspend him for a while so he can think about what he's doing.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Sep 08, 2017, 01:02 PM
All of this is not a very good look on you, friend.
For what it's worth though, your one real answer wasn't bad. I just wish that you were more intelligent.

Nihad is intelligent, he was simply trying to stoop to your level of communication after your PMs with insults because he replied to your huge v2 drama topic that was deleted + this one:
http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/what-not-to-do-if-you-are-a-new-player-in-a-server/ (http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/what-not-to-do-if-you-are-a-new-player-in-a-server/)

(https://i.imgur.com/ddMiZ1U.png)

there's too many people here who don't ask the right questions.

This topic has been up for 2 months now, and you happen to "ask the right questions" after your cringy worth topics and insulting PMs towards one of my staff members?
Looks more like you are hurt and trying to attack us with redundant questions like "why do you have so many people in your staff?". I can have 10 players online and a team of 20, what they do in detail is none of your business.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Sep 08, 2017, 06:25 PM
Nihad is intelligent, he was simply trying to stoop to your level of communication

No disrespect to fuku but why would you stoop down to someone's level of communication if you're smart irl (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/rsz_tqharym.png)

on topic tho;
admins, are you now convinced Blinzer is just a troll trying to drum up bad reactions from people? please suspend him for a while so he can think about what he's doing.

The wannabe vegito-dp-using-guy needs to be banned for not only being ratchet on various counts but for also being illogical on over 90% of his messages on these forums  (http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/Smileys/default/rsz_kanyeshrug.png)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Blinzer on Sep 09, 2017, 03:36 AM
Is trying to discredit someone through Ad Hominem(refusing to discuss the idea presented and instead attacking the talker's credibility) your only line of defense?

I suppose that's the only way you can sway the masses, since you have nothing else going for you.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: misterj on Sep 09, 2017, 04:03 AM
uhh excuse me kris, but youre using digital blackface and thats highly offensive to actual basketball americans like me and teena marie

someone lock this crap already, there's too much s***
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Yuzo on Sep 09, 2017, 05:08 AM
uhh excuse me kris, but youre using digital blackface and thats highly offensive to actual basketball americans like me and teena marie

someone lock this crap already, there's too much s***
dont lock this thread. it has a genuine purpose. block the trolls and delete the off-topic posts.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Bottles on Sep 09, 2017, 01:46 PM
I agree with Blinzer in the notion of confusion over so many of your staff members.
- Daifuku: Administrator/Project Leader
- Shourei: Administrative Assistant/Head GM
- Nihad: Lead Developer/Content Developer
- Artemsis: Marketing Strategist/SEM Manager
- Seffi: Game Master/Forum Enforcement
- Akkori: Visual Developer

Top 3 I can see and understand, but the last 3? What the hell is a 'marketing strategist' going to do? It's a player market regardless of what server you open up. You can't stop someone from putting the first d.robe in vend for 5 zeny if they feel compelled to. Forum enforcement?...What is SEM an acronym for?. Then a 'visual developer'? What the hell is that going to be in regards to? How pretty prontera looks? Or is he going to be responsible for maintaining this new server's image? It's rather ambiguous to me.

 Frankly, based on the responses from both of you Nihad + Dai in the past week, I can already see the same result as ElariaWoon. You get butthurt way too easy, thicken your skin before trying to be a leader. As kris said, don't stoop down to that level if you truly believe that you are so above them. Call your Public Relations admin...oh wait you didn't put one on the roster..
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Parachute on Sep 09, 2017, 04:30 PM
I agree with Blinzer in the notion of confusion over so many of your staff members.
- Daifuku: Administrator/Project Leader
- Shourei: Administrative Assistant/Head GM
- Nihad: Lead Developer/Content Developer
- Artemsis: Marketing Strategist/SEM Manager
- Seffi: Game Master/Forum Enforcement
- Akkori: Visual Developer

Top 3 I can see and understand, but the last 3? What the hell is a 'marketing strategist' going to do? It's a player market regardless of what server you open up. You can't stop someone from putting the first d.robe in vend for 5 zeny if they feel compelled to. Forum enforcement?...What is SEM an acronym for?. Then a 'visual developer'? What the hell is that going to be in regards to? How pretty prontera looks? Or is he going to be responsible for maintaining this new server's image? It's rather ambiguous to me.

To be fair, there's nothing wrong how many staff you want for your server. Whether it's a big project or not, it is not our project. So who are we to butt in? If it's a critic, it's fine. but at the end of the day, people by nature will listen/learn more by experiencing mistakes firsthand rather than listening to others.

I myself will launch a mid-rate server soon and already has 8 staff members including 3 external devs... and will soon open recruitment to add 20 more paid staff in my team. is there an issue for doing so? Of course not and ofc the critics wouldn't matter. It's up to the owner of the server how he/she wants to organize the server.

The only thing that catches my attention is how Nihad responded to the critic, sure nobody takes away the credit of how good of an RO dev he is, but how he responded here made me remember stuff when I used to play Elariawoon for about 3weeks, when i was trying to have an RO-comeback. I remember him trash talking with another player in #mainchat while cursing (by censoring f*** instead of writing down the actual word doesn't mean you're being professional).

Another issue i had with Nihad (the reason I quit Elariawoon) is that I tried to contact their Support and reported that "Assassin Spirit was not working and may have been a bug." he responded like "Please elaborate" or something. And so I did, I said something like "Assassin Spirit (a skill from soul linker) is not working and may have been a bug since it doesn't double the damage of Sonic Blow." and so he just replied a image of the "CODE" of assassin spirit and told me that there was nothing wrong with it. As my forum topic became private, it triggered me a bit because if he could just replicate the entire scenario in either test or live server, he will agree that it is in fact a bug. So I decided to reply in full detail including a lot of graphics even uploaded a video. I never heard anything from him for the next 3 weeks to the point i quit the server. They eventually fixed the bug though.

The reason why I am saying this is that I wished Nihad showed more professionalism at that time (Hopefully here in RMS too). No discredit to what you already established, I just believe that Nihad must avoid making people angry and let Daifu or other staff members to do that job. I know Shourei and he really is a nice cool guy, glad that he be the head GM and will ahve a better Public Relation Skills than Nihad.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Oldschooler on Sep 09, 2017, 06:29 PM
Lol Daifuku would probably ban half her server because "trolls." She wants her own little jerkoff group who only conform to her ideas and not reject.

What the hell is a marketing strategist lol. More s*** titles to make players feel entitled in game.

In terms of Nihad's reply, he obviously doesn't care like he used to. It's fine when he flames in game, in his own server, but flaming on RMS is pretty stupid considering you want people to join your server.

Nobody wants to join a Daifuku server.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: iEnergizer on Sep 10, 2017, 01:06 AM
i want to see fun not drama.

set dat effing server up and ill be the judge. who am i? im your lolo.

better yet, include my suggestions. skadoosh!
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Daifuku. on Sep 10, 2017, 06:35 AM
Nobody wants to join a Daifuku server.

(https://i.imgur.com/psYVUbB.png) 1 week, slight mouth to mouth advertising.  /kis

What the hell is a 'marketing strategist' going to do?
He helps with our marketing strategy and online search engine optimizations. Once the server is up he will do player support for en/de players.

Then a 'visual developer'? What the hell is that going to be in regards to?
Creates sprites, models, draws, does animations and more. For example: He's needed for our special headgear events where people can draw their own headgear and he'll turn them into sprites. He's just a small addition to our team but still worth to mention.

The list of our potential staff was given out two months ago, the staff as it is now looks a little different.

I'm going to leave this topic now and say thanks to the people that supported this new project but also to the ones that gave qualitative input.
See you around
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Sep 10, 2017, 08:35 AM
uhh excuse me kris, but youre using digital blackface and thats highly offensive to actual basketball americans like me and teena marie


I find it laughable that a nobody like yourself puts himself in the same playing field with Teena Marie. Like I ain't even know you but I'm pretty sure you the type of "basketball american" that sets an alarm to wake up at 6am only to tweet 'lets get this money' but then goes back to sleep.
Coming back to "baskbetball american" lmao you ain't no baskbetball american, you a straight punk and if you ever in surrey or anywhere in bc, dm me I'll make sure to pay you a visit

dont lock this thread. it has a genuine purpose. block the trolls and delete the off-topic posts.

Buddy before you mistake greatness for a mere 'troll', I suggest you go through the first couple of pages of this thread. This will help you re-realize that my content is way better than yours - logically & grammatically. You usually have no facts and aren't open to rational reasoning. I can have this conversation multiple times with you but then again, in terms of logic, you're in the same league with Vegito.

@thread: y'all out here taking shots at Nihad but lets be honest, everybody gonna end up jumping on the bandwagon until the next bangwagon shows up (potentially Parachute's project -- which has a gazillion paid positions?? lmao). Y'all forget the main reason why Yrvine servers are always successful -- it's cause he doesn't hire a bunch of care-bears, he runs the s*** himself and when he's done making money, he cashes out. Y'all out here hiring multiple paid positions to only create more drama lmao. s*** yrvine actually got all of you believing that he sold his server files of ZenRO to someone else when he actually been running the server.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Yuzo on Sep 10, 2017, 10:21 AM
Buddy before you mistake greatness for a mere 'troll', I suggest you go through the first couple of pages of this thread. This will help you re-realize that my content is way better than yours - logically & grammatically. You usually have no facts and aren't open to rational reasoning. I can have this conversation multiple times with you but then again, in terms of logic, you're in the same league with Vegito.


oh i forgot i trolled this thread before. actually just you kris, you're an idiot. i was sticking up for this thread, but w/e now. can't support a kris project.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Blinzer on Sep 10, 2017, 12:28 PM
Buddy before you mistake greatness for a mere 'troll', I suggest you go through the first couple of pages of this thread. This will help you re-realize that my content is way better than yours - logically & grammatically. You usually have no facts and aren't open to rational reasoning. I can have this conversation multiple times with you but then again, in terms of logic, you're in the same league with Vegito.

talking is useless with you, kris, it's time you put your muscles where your mouth is. i challenge you to a duel: i'll take you on in your own inferior, s*** version of the game, and show you that you're not 1/10th of the man i am in this game period. pick a time and place, best 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5, whichever will make you feel less embarrassed when you lose.

regardless of whether ya boi pussies out or not, this will be my last reply in this topic. i just remembered you're all a waste of my time.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Styx on Sep 10, 2017, 01:25 PM
talking is useless with you, kris, it's time you put your muscles where your mouth is. i challenge you to a duel: i'll take you on in your own inferior, s*** version of the game, and show you that you're not 1/10th of the man i am in this game period. pick a time and place, best 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5, whichever will make you feel less embarrassed when you lose.

regardless of whether ya boi pussies out or not, this will be my last reply in this topic. i just remembered you're all a waste of my time.

Are you on drugs or what? You better pull yourself together and behave. Now, can you?
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Parachute on Sep 10, 2017, 02:00 PM

@thread: y'all out here taking shots at Nihad but lets be honest, everybody gonna end up jumping on the bandwagon until the next bangwagon shows up (potentially Parachute's project -- which has a gazillion paid positions?? lmao). Y'all forget the main reason why Yrvine servers are always successful -- it's cause he doesn't hire a bunch of care-bears, he runs the s*** himself and when he's done making money, he cashes out. Y'all out here hiring multiple paid positions to only create more drama lmao.

Not unless you run a corporate-style organization with signed contracts, including but not limited to, term, monthly salary, employment termination, etc. Time is gold, whether it's in real life or in server development. I simply want be more productive and focus on much important things if I assign simple tasks to staffs. Thus, I have team managers that handle each departments. I'm not only launching an RO server, but also a gaming website. In fact, I hire a lot of people in my non-RO Related businesses, what's wrong if I do the same in my server? :D

It's not just me who will earn. All my staff members will earn too. and oh, all my players will be my business partners as well. Meaning, anybody can start generating their own income by becoming part of my affiliate system. It's gonna be a total revolution as I focus on the overall community gameplay and that players would actually benefit financially irl by just playing my server. If my players would earn, If my team members would also earn, at the end of the day, I will also benefit from it anyway. so what seem so wrong about that idea? :D

Side note: My changelog list is 1-month delayed with updates/changes, but if anybody wanna check my development,
visit here: https://www.cgamershub.com/info/changelog (https://www.cgamershub.com/info/changelog)
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: Kris on Sep 10, 2017, 04:09 PM
Since Yuzo & Vegito express the same level of vacuous comprehension, I will refer to both of you as one entity. I'm also in a creative mood today, so I have taken the liberty of coining a new name for the both of you -- Yuzito

Dear Yuzito, please think before you come for the great one. Y'all know I quit this game years ago but don't worry tho, I annually return to the game for a couple weeks just to show you manila boys how bad y'all actually are. So whatever mid rate server is poppin somewhere around mid-January, you can expect the long awaited 2k18 return.

@Parachute - sounds to me like you want to run this outdated 2D mmorpg like a fortune 500 company but hey, if you want to create revenue streams with money which you're not going to be generating from a mid rate, I think you're off to a perfect start.
Title: Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
Post by: yC on Sep 10, 2017, 05:39 PM
I'm going to leave this topic now and say thanks to the people that supported this new project but also to the ones that gave qualitative input.
See you around

OP is done with her own topic or the topic has finished its job for her.  What is left will just be trolls piling up.  Locking this.