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Offline darkomega

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #75 on: Jul 19, 2017, 08:12 AM »
Still looking for a good Medium Rate (MR) server here..
I hope its Boss Card-Disabled, or at least.. 50% effect (full effect is boring for me)  /heh

and I mean all of the cards have 50% effect, not just GTB  /gg
Hiding your actual skills, require even higher level of skill to make it done.

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Offline Whalekins

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #76 on: Jul 19, 2017, 03:17 PM »
This will probably be a very disorganised post as I am rushing to type this before a flight, but here's my two cents:

ElariaRO was a flop.
WoonRO was (surprisingly) a flop.
Elaria-WoonRO was a flop.

Speaking anecdotally, I have played WoonRO since almost its birth till its inevitable death, and I can definitely say that Nihad is one of the worst Administrators in the RO scene, almost as infamous as Boreas. Aggressive, hot-headed, stubborn and typically unfriendly are a few words that describe Nihad as an Administrator. He's terrible with the community, and his developing skills are not exactly stellar or life-changing. I could name a handful of other developers that have made a mark on RO private servers. In saying that, props to this potential team in making the decision that Nihad will not interact with the community and administrative side of things. Let's hope he doesn't fall under the same category as Cookies in ggRO where he, too, claimed the same absence in larger responsibilities of the server, we all know how that turned out.

Back to WoonRO - the only reason why the server lasted so long was because the players there did not want to ditch the gears and friends that they earned over WoonRO's longevity. It was not the quality of the server. The server would have died sooner if Seffi had not stepped in to finally acknowledge players' opinions. Unfortunately, there was not much else going for WoonRO. Just addition of kawaii hats and lack of additional end-game content to fulfil the boredom of its 150~ then remaining players.

When you look at pre-renewal Mid-Rates objectively, what are its typical end-game content? PVE? Not really. There is only so much a small team can do in revamping pre-Renewal's abysmal PvE content. Any attempt in furthering the pre-Renewal PvE content through customisation usually ends in an epic failure. Devil Square from WoonRO was arguably successful, but there was no real end-game towards it.
Theoretically you could steal Renewal instances and revamp it to fit pre-Renewal mechanics (as many have tried, and failed), but most people on your team has barely any understanding of proper balancing, and I have seen countless servers attempt to do it, and none of them have integrated them into pre-RE to the point where it became a mainstream part of the server's PvE content.

Now, the other aspect of pre-RE mid rates that attracts players is the ease of settling into the PVP/BG/WOE scene without grinding hardcore (compared to a typical low-rate). Yes, submitting to WoE players' mentality of "if you don't do X, we're going to leave" is counterproductive, but these issues are not black and white, which Nihad often viewed them as. For example, Seffi managed to satisfy the wants/needs of PVP/BG/WOE players without compromising the aims of WoonRO itself.

Having passion does not necessarily mean the server will ultimately bloom. Elaria, DoM and Elaria-Woon, all of which Daifuku had some sort of influence on, flopped. Sure, learning from mistakes is key, but what makes this particular attempt of creating a new mid-rate any different to her previous disasters. Your survey is completely flawed. Asking for demand without having a no option, is similar to asking how many people in USA suffer from diabetes, but using an already diabetes-diagnosed population as the sample. Another flaw is that, you are assuming that of those acclaimed 100+ supporters that you have, all 100+ will stay once you announce the details of your proposed server. That is unrealistic and rather amateur, given your boasted 2-5 years of Administrative experience.
Maybe this is a marketing strategy - creating hype before you make the server. You know what they say, a bad review is still a review. However, it says so much about the incompetence in the vision you have for your server.

Shourei and Seffi are decent people, I am sure they would be a great asset to your team. The rest, I do not remember or I do not want to remember.

I did not bother to read over what I wrote, so you can tear my post apart and white knight Daifuku, but if anyone knows me here, is that I'm adamant and mostly right about what I say.

Offline Daifuku.

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #77 on: Jul 19, 2017, 03:54 PM »
but if anyone knows me here, is that I'm adamant and mostly right about what I say.


And despite it all being a "flop" you and a lot of other players still logged in to check the server out - see you soon, Den.

Offline Daifuku.

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #78 on: Jul 19, 2017, 03:59 PM »
Still looking for a good Medium Rate (MR) server here..
I hope its Boss Card-Disabled, or at least.. 50% effect (full effect is boring for me)  /heh

and I mean all of the cards have 50% effect, not just GTB  /gg
I'll throw you a PM soon.

Offline Whalekins

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #79 on: Jul 19, 2017, 04:01 PM »


And despite it all being a "flop" you and a lot of other players still logged in to check the server out - see you soon, Den.

Can't know if it's a flop if you've never played it. Even a bigger failure to address anything in my post.
I'm sure people would rather hear it from someone who's actually played the servers than from a troll.

Offline Kris

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #80 on: Jul 19, 2017, 05:46 PM »
I want to start by saying I'm always right about everything I say. With that being said, why y'all derailing this thread by writing extended essays. I mean I used to feel hard in 2k14 about taking over servers, destroying guilds, rampaging pvp rooms, dethroning admins but that was when I was 20. Hitta enough of this game of thrones s***.

We gotta realize that this outdated mmorpg does not get as many new players as it used to a decade ago. Most of us who still make the 'occasional return' to RO are all mature now, like we all 20+ or s*** we gotta act our age sometimes. Yes elaria failed and yes woon failed but there were literally 100s of servers that failed before both these servers failed. Every private server is ultimately destined to fail. Don't get it twisted tho, it's the good times that you have with the people that you come across that matter. Out of the gazillion servers I've played, it's funny that I met one of my main internet homies on a yrvine server. Shoutout my boy cass one time.

I know this post is a little hazy but as I roll my third spliff and get ready to meet this bad one off tinder, I just want to say that I think we all should be a little bit friendlier. This dying RO community needs it. We are living in a strange time. We hide behind our devices, ignoring the people around us. We click through feeds of updates from our friends from under our covers in the dark. Too often, we are hateful toward what we don't understand. But I'm hopeful about you keyboard warriors, including the late - Bue.
Let's all stop hating each other and give thanks to the people who are still making RO possible in 2k17.

More Life to everybody
2k18 Return

Offline Reality

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #81 on: Jul 19, 2017, 06:23 PM »
Lowkey wanted Reality to give me attention but I'll settle with your reply as compensation.

boi.

There was a reason that I typically responded to baiting with things like "no u", or "sure", or "ok kris".

I gave you a spicy shout-out right there.

-Reality

P.S. Also we are Skype contacts. Also Cass is still alive?

P.P.S. To keep this on topic, as much as I want to play RO, I don't want to play on a server (under active development anyway) with crappy management. I think I'm quite a bit less interested in Daifuku's server since this thread began as a result of the milquetoast responses to negative posts here. I think most of the U.S./EU RO population is too old for sugarcoating and stunts.

Offline Tochi

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #82 on: Jul 20, 2017, 06:59 PM »

P.P.S. To keep this on topic, as much as I want to play RO, I don't want to play on a server (under active development anyway) with crappy management. I think I'm quite a bit less interested in Daifuku's server since this thread began as a result of the milquetoast responses to negative posts here. I think most of the U.S./EU RO population is too old for sugarcoating and stunts.

Soooo make us a new server to play...

Offline SukiChii

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #83 on: Jul 20, 2017, 07:23 PM »
Soooo make us a new server to play...
His(?) administrative skills are not in question.

Offline Ravs

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #84 on: Jul 21, 2017, 12:50 PM »
Didn't care for Woon or ElariaWoon Ro. But calling ElariaRO ( the original LR ) a flop is just plain wrong. I was there, and it rocked. Which is why I still follow Daifuku.

Offline Zinnia

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #85 on: Jul 21, 2017, 03:16 PM »
His(?) administrative skills are not in question.

Do you have administrative skills?

Offline Sniggers

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #86 on: Jul 21, 2017, 04:27 PM »
If you really want to know if people would actually play a server you need to actually tell them what the server would be. The devil is in the details, as I am sure you realized after that last hybrid cluster .... that ya all produced. 

There is not a decent mid rate (REAL mid rate) out there now.  If you are gonna do it, the sooner the better. But I have a feeling that also isn't something that will happen.

Either way, good luck.

Offline Kris

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #87 on: Jul 22, 2017, 03:25 AM »
boi.

I gave you a spicy shout-out right there.

P.S. Also we are Skype contacts. Also Cass is still alive?
wow people still use skype? Imma redownload skype real quick just to dm you. Yaaas cass is alive, he's pretending to be a sneakerhead these days by copping feezys aka fake yeezys.

P.P.S. To keep this on topic, as much as I want to play RO, I don't want to play on a server (under active development anyway) with crappy management. I think I'm quite a bit less interested in Daifuku's server since this thread began as a result of the milquetoast responses to negative posts here. I think most of the U.S./EU RO population is too old for sugarcoating and stunts.

I'm pretty sure there's no decent MR right now which means anybody that makes a decent server is going to milk the MR community. I think it's time for a KrisRO hmu if you want to make this happen cause idk coding. I'm also open to different server names if that's what you're into.

P.S: Immy you are not gangsta so stop typing like one but dm if you're not in an online realtionship rn
2k18 Return

Offline Beyond

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #88 on: Jul 22, 2017, 09:52 AM »
makes a decent server

What would be a decent server for you Kris?

Most people just want a fresh server to play in so they feel they're not insanely behind everyone else, then they just drop it as soon as they have decently geared characters (there's generally nothing else to do other than PvP).

I just want a place where I can grind a bit and chat a lot, that's RO for me.
I don't care about WoE these days and I loathe BGs since they're half the problem that plagues RO servers with the freebies you can get from it.

Since people talked about woon and elaria-woon, just gonna leave my 2 cents here

WoonRO - was a ncie place, people chatted and had some fun there
Elaria-Woon - Well it was dead when i checked it, and it felt confusing as F-, especially the warnings on @go usage.

Offline dinosaurpie

Re: LF> old/new potential players for a MR.
« Reply #89 on: Jul 22, 2017, 09:19 PM »
What would be a decent server for you Kris?

Most people just want a fresh server to play in so they feel they're not insanely behind everyone else, then they just drop it as soon as they have decently geared characters (there's generally nothing else to do other than PvP).

I just want a place where I can grind a bit and chat a lot, that's RO for me.
I don't care about WoE these days and I loathe BGs since they're half the problem that plagues RO servers with the freebies you can get from it.

Since people talked about woon and elaria-woon, just gonna leave my 2 cents here

WoonRO - was a ncie place, people chatted and had some fun there
Elaria-Woon - Well it was dead when i checked it, and it felt confusing as F-, especially the warnings on @go usage.

Most RO players are so afraid of change, they rather the server die instead of change. As a result, RO never goes anywhere. Server comes up -> dies -> New server comes up -> dies.

The whole problem with RO is that the end game content (PvP namely, whether it be WoE, BG, or PvP) is dead content. It's always the same. In fact, servers that promote change don't succeed, because the community doesn't want the change. If Elaria was confusing for you guys, look at Rise of Midgard. Great server idea, failed to take off.

If you're looking for a game where people grind a bit, chat a bit, idle around--and you don't want the group dying on you--you're better off joining some gaming group from Reddit. They wont play RO, but they do exactly that on whichever game floats the boat at the time, be it a steam game, rpg, or maybe even something more moba like league.

What I wanna see is a midrate server that plays itself like a highrate. DreamerRO does a particularly good job of this. Gear is easy to obtain. It turns RO's minigames into a MOBA fashion. In a sense, in League, you predict the game 10 mins down the road. Tanks building armor and health, I need my armor penetration to be built NOW, so that when they finish their armor 10 mins later, I have my armor pen ready to go. The other rising esport right now, overwatch, does exactly the opposite. They run dva, you pocket roadhog to displace her shielding. They run pharah, you switch to widow. You counter by changing the ENTIRE character as a whole in an instant. No prediction needed. You can always swap should something not go well.

In DreamerRO, I get the experience between these two types of games. In BG, you can't swap your entire character as a whole, but you can swap parts. Dueling a wizard? Get that GTB on. Dueling a monk? GR toggle ready to go. But a GX is a GX, you can't class change without leaving the game. Whereas league decisions are permanent, and overwatch reactions are purely consequential, RO provides a bunch of mini games in between these two types of games. It's a soft-counter MOBA.

As for midrate? I wanna see a midrate with a community that understands AD is OP as hell. AD should be nerfed, Asura should be nerfed. LK/Sinx/WS should be buffed and/or reworked. I wanna see a midrate that can change the entire meta of WoE/BG every 2 weeks with balance patching, like how league pushes their competitive scene. Sometimes we deathball (bragi, AD, prof, devo stacking). Sometimes assassins just run rampant and kill everyone with sonic blows. Sometimes LK Bruiser should be meta. I wanna see WoE get limited to guild sizes of 7--just enough to hold 1 of every base class. You don't need guilds of 28 and 4 creos. I rather have 4 guilds of 7, and 1 DPS Creo in each guild. May the best Deathball win. These changes would make RO far more fun.

How would this be a midrate? Midrate for me has NEVER meant 50-100x rates. That was a definition that somehow came about because of the nature of RO. Midrate meant that we would be 99/70 Trans, 150dex insta-cast, WoE/BG focused imo. < As long as these aspects are there, I would still consider the game midrate.


*Edit: I didn't realize this was Daifuku's thread advertising her upcoming server.*

This is what I wanna see:
Rates are negligible, make it like 250x/250x/250x or higher. Ban all mvp cards.

99/70 Level Caps, Trans, 150 dex insta cast.

MVP maps can be left alone, but gears such as combat knife should have an easy quest to creation. End game gears should NOT be hard to obtain.

Repetitive Gears should be patched bi-weekly to add new meta to the game. That is: Beret and Feather Beret should not have the same effect. If Beret is already doing demihuman-10%, let Feather Beret do something more interesting than +1mdef. For example, FBeret could do something like After receiving neutral damage, gain -40% reduction to neutral, +40% to all other elements.  After receiving elemental damage, +40% neutral, -40% to all elements. This means you can't build a true pure tank prof. Alternating damage between HW and Creo would murder the prof using this item, but AD spam is not effective. < Now the meta has changed. If they're only running AD DPS, trolololol on them. Toggle off when they decide to DFF you on your LP.

^RO's code is OLD. I'm not sure how flexible item abilities can be. If this isn't possible, I'm sure someone can think of creative ideas to alter the AD Deathball meta. 

Older game mechanics should be removed. AD should not do 10 hits. 1 big hit = no hit lock mechanics = more fair and fun to play/watch = no need ROext/alternate grf/ROmed. Potions should be HOT, healing over time, not spam.

Guilds limit to 7 members in WoE. WoE rewards should be costumes otherwise unobtainable. There can be other costumes for those who don't like woe, but woe costumes are for woe.

BG needs to be addressed somehow. Minigames are fun. When everyone starts rolling champs and team work goes to die, BG is not fun. This can be experimental though.

Lastly, Lead GM should shoutcast the WoE on Twitch. There's ultimately no place for RO in today's RPG market. RO is dead. WoE is what keeps RO alive and exciting in the majority of servers. As far as twitch goes, remember RO:RE? Remember how people started streaming it? Yea there's an audience, even in NA. With proper advertising, you make a game that reminds people of their childhood, of the fun, of the guild fights. Yet its new, its detailed, its different. It's nostalgic, yet new.

This might be one way to make a server that will last longer than 3 months. IF you get C&D'd, go lolololol at how you did RO so well you were actually noticed.



PSS: The hell happened to Kris? He actually typed a paragraph instead of replying with 2 memes? What kinda revelation did he receive to have enlightened him so??
« Last Edit: Jul 22, 2017, 11:04 PM by dinosaurpie »