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Offline Yuzo

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #15 on: Jul 14, 2017, 10:50 AM »
you should loan ur services out to people rather than make a server for urself.
then if u find a server/project you like stay on to help them.

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Offline Daifuku.

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #16 on: Jul 14, 2017, 10:58 AM »
I'd give it a try for sure. 
- KampfKeks <3
Wait there a second, I know your fine butt! So nice to see you are still alive. Hope you're doing good and thanks for showing interest!

...that Nihad put in while Dai was on vacation..
So long story short, still listen to players suggestions.
I wouldn't say this is to be blamed on Nihad, after all it was rather my fault for agreeing to something without properly discussing it out. I was in a rush because of my travel to japan but that shouldn't be an excuse.
And I agree with you, the server went better after the hiatus. I learned a lot during those months, especially what MR players want and don't want.

So what I am really trying to say is that you are a great Administrator, lots of people were sad when the server you were hosting was closed. I bid you goodluck in your plans, looking forward to it too.
Believe it or not but I still remember you from 4 years ago! /heh
Thank you for the compliment, I really appreciate it. Hope to see you around!

I will give it a go if it is a 99/70 pre-renewal server with renewal instances
If I were to make a new mid-rate it would be 99/70 pre-renewal for sure.
Regarding the instances we have quite a lot and developing new/own ones is no problem.

you should loan ur services out to people rather than make a server for urself.
then if u find a server/project you like stay on to help them.
I am already trying to help other server owners as much as I can.
I have worked in the background with majority of the developers from the scene but there hasn't been a single server I was able to dedicate myself 100% to unless it was my own.
« Last Edit: Jul 14, 2017, 11:20 AM by Daifuku. »

Offline Duckshooter

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #17 on: Jul 14, 2017, 12:25 PM »
Wait there a second, I know your fine butt! So nice to see you are still alive. Hope you're doing good and thanks for showing interest!

Fine butt? Look who's talking! Good to see that someone rememberes my name haha. Hope you're doing good aswell <3
Too bad I didnt have much time to be that active while Elaria Woon Reloaded was up.
Reality already mentioned that in another thread: Mid-rate/high low-rate pre-renewal 99/70 servers are kinda rare nowadays and I always felt like the demand is pretty high.

Offline Bue

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #18 on: Jul 14, 2017, 01:09 PM »
The thought of asking is an initiative.

Knowing if and how many people would join your potential server (despite not knowing much details) is useful information.
Research is an essential part of marketing. You don't try to sell a product to the world without knowing if there is even a demand for it, right?

So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?

I'm unsure how questioning "what making me so special" relate to this topic.
This is just one of my approach to a potential project. If someone have any comments, they are free to post them here.

...

Before I start developing though, I would like to know how many people would be interested in a new mid-rate server lead by me as Administrator.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?

Offline Develon

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #19 on: Jul 14, 2017, 03:13 PM »
As most people already know by now.
Midrates last more often than not 6months, and either people like it or not stagnated end game is the main issue, which midrates simply make too easy to reach specifically in a pre-renewal server with classic content.
Starting months are strong, then it starts dwindling, more often than not because bg and woe scene either starts fading out or never existed to begin with.
Now, the particular issue with this is.
If you want to do a server good for woe players, you'd screw over the pvm plebs on a 18 year old game. If you want a server that beneficiates people that actually grind for end game gear, refined/enchanted stuff, said woe people will have a rougher time, and might just straight out not bother showing up.
Which is where said BG comes in as a tool of economy, since more often than not woe players enjoy good BG. And might actually play it for fun rather than the reward which will keep the market flowing and people always doing something.

So, if you're going to start up a project try to find solutions for the main issue to at least push the end game content because even if you can't manage to bring woe guilds which are a big part of the midrate community, at least you'll manage to keep a stable part of it who "always" has something to do. And those are the people who make the server look alive.

Regarding if i'd show up on it or not, maybe. Would all deppend on the people that got hardcore molested by Nihao and if they are willing to show up.


Offline Shourei

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #20 on: Jul 14, 2017, 03:23 PM »
So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?

This thread is not an advertisement to sell anything. It's a research to see the number of interested people in a mid-rate server, and their personal opinion on the matter. OP won't share any other confidential information.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?

Surely you know this after being active on RMS for a long time. When working with an RO project, two of the most important things for an Administrator (admin) to have are ideology and trust.
There is few outcome from this:
1. You trust the admin and agree with their ideology.
2. You trust the admin and join them to help shape up with their ideology.
3. You hate the admin to the core and will turn everything against them.

Personally speaking, OP has qualities. That's what makes her special.
If this project flies, all she needs is support and it'll go big.

Offline Bue

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #21 on: Jul 14, 2017, 03:33 PM »
Like I said before, OP isn't doing anyone a favor when the server gets shutdown because players aren't interested anymore. Since it appears OP has no motivation to start the server other than player interest alone. It would have been more prudent to provide a high level plan rather than basing interest solely on a few persons of interest. But you don't speak for OP and it would be more interesting to see what OP has to say. The concerns that @Develon pointed out is a very good place to start.

Also, there is no context provided for anyone who doesn't know who OP is or the persons of interest are.
« Last Edit: Jul 14, 2017, 03:45 PM by Bue »

Offline Reality

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #22 on: Jul 14, 2017, 03:48 PM »
If you can't even take the initiative to make the server on your own, then why even bother asking whether players are interested? OP isn't doing anyone a favor when the server gets shutdown because players aren't interested anymore. Besides the point, what makes OP so special anyways?

I don't really know Daifuku at all, but in his or her defense, I've wondered this same thing -- is there even any interest in a 99/70 midrate anymore?

There aren't any classic WoE guilds left anymore to ask, and there are no midrate servers right now to indicate that there is any interest at all. While there's a massive hole in the market in the midrate scene, that absolutely does not mean there's still significant demand. And it's really hard to gauge whether or not that demand still exists with the current shabby selection of midrates right now. Join a dead, admin-abandoned midrate with decent features, or a new midrate with 8 players? Because those are basically the options right now. When I made my midrates before, it was absolutely clear there was still interest in midrates because my competition was successful despite being pretty s***. There was networking I could do, and, though they were slowly losing interest in RO, WoE guilds still existed.

What I mean is that with the current state of the midrate scene, any source for feedback (RMS forums) could be one of very few options.

But to answer OP's question, I don't know. I'm not very familiar with your work, or your competence as an administrator. It depends a lot on the server itself and what kind of features are planned to be implemented. I'm coming back from a 3 year RO haitus and the midrate scene is depressing as hell right now, so I guess I'm open to trying it. I'm sure it'd be a better option than the aforementioned admin-abandoned server I'm playing right now, honestly.

Just make sure you are careful with gaining a player-base before release, and that core features are implemented upon release with content planned for future development to keep people interested as well. In my opinion, anyway.

-Reality
« Last Edit: Jul 14, 2017, 03:57 PM by Reality »

Offline Bue

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #23 on: Jul 14, 2017, 03:59 PM »
is there even any interest in a 99/70 midrate anymore?

The only way to find out is to open a mid rate server, but all the hype is going towards the ro:re server from warp portal right now.

And there is really nothing stopping you from opening a decent mid rate server and building the mid rate scene with or without player interest.

Offline Reality

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #24 on: Jul 14, 2017, 04:53 PM »
And there is really nothing stopping you from opening a decent mid rate server and building the mid rate scene with or without player interest.

It took around 250 hours of work pre-release for AeonRO (from rAthena scratch), and around 200 hours for VividRO (which I was working on before I even closed Aeon). It also cost around $80 for hosting, $200 for the website with db integration, and then the cost of IPB for the forums, Harmony, and rAmod. I don't recall the prices for those. And, of course, I had to deal with getting a staff together, reaching out to guilds, and networking.

Personally, I'd say that's a lot stopping someone from releasing a server. I'd imagine others have to put in similar amounts of effort.

-Reality

Offline Daifuku.

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #25 on: Jul 14, 2017, 05:08 PM »
Would all deppend on the people that got hardcore molested by Nihao and if they are willing to show up.
One of the reason why I am clarifying in my post that I will be solo admin this time is because of how people think about Nihad.
He is a great person, a great coder but everyone knows he simply can not deal with the community. Which is why he decided to step down from that position and just be developer.
This is the only reason I am saying "if, it's going to be just me as admin".

I've wondered this same thing -- is there even any interest in a 99/70 midrate anymore?..
..What I mean is that with the current state of the midrate scene, any source for feedback (RMS forums) could be one of very few options.
The US area has a new pre-renewal official server, philippines area has a new pre-renewal official server.
Elaria shut down, Abra has no players left, Atlas has no players left, there is no high populated mid-rate right now - at least not on RMS.
Another reason why I wanted to ask if there is even a demand for a new mid-rate server?

The only way to find out is to open a mid rate server, but all the hype is going towards the ro:re server from warp portal right now.

And there is really nothing stopping you from opening a decent mid rate server and building the mid rate scene with or without player interest.

Sorry but that's wrong. You do not have to put all the effort and money into opening a new mid-rate server to find out if there are people still interested in joining one.
All it takes is to open a post and ask, like I did. Also, please read my replies to Develon and Reality as to why I asked in the first place.

Since it appears OP has no motivation to start the server other than player interest alone.
If I would not be interested/motivated in creating a new server, I would not have started this discussion.
« Last Edit: Jul 14, 2017, 05:15 PM by Daifuku. »

Offline Bue

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #26 on: Jul 14, 2017, 05:18 PM »
Sorry but that's wrong. You do not have to put all the effort and money into opening a new mid-rate server to find out if there are people still interested in joining one.
All it takes is to open a post and ask, like I did. Also, please read my replies to Develon and Reality as to why I asked in the first place.

If I would not be interested in creating a new server, I would not have started this discussion.

That was my opinion, but OK. [fixed]

The thought of asking is an initiative.

Knowing if and how many people would join your potential server (despite not knowing much details) is useful information.
Research is an essential part of marketing. You don't try to sell a product to the world without knowing if there is even a demand for it, right?

So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?

I'm unsure how questioning "what making me so special" relate to this topic.
This is just one of my approach to a potential project. If someone have any comments, they are free to post them here.

...

Before I start developing though, I would like to know how many people would be interested in a new mid-rate server lead by me as Administrator.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?
« Last Edit: Jul 14, 2017, 05:24 PM by Bue »

Offline Daifuku.

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #27 on: Jul 14, 2017, 05:41 PM »
So what exactly are you trying to sell here besides yourself as the admin of some mid rate?
Please read again what I said in my previous posts.
I created this topic because I am doing research - research for a potential future project which is going to be my product and this is what I'll be selling.
Detailed information about the product (server) would follow once I have finished my research.

That's what I am wondering, what makes you so special since you are the X factor in all of this?
Here again, please refer to the answer I gave Develon.
I stated that I would lead the potential project solo, with Nihad as developer and other known people for the MR scene as staff - which makes me the X factor in all of this.
Special or not lies in the eye of the beholder - I have the dedication, the passion, have never been in this for the money and gained some decent amount of trust from the community.
 

Offline Bue

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #28 on: Jul 14, 2017, 06:12 PM »
Please read again what I said in my previous posts.
I created this topic because I am doing research - research for a potential future project which is going to be my product and this is what I'll be selling.
Detailed information about the product (server) would follow once I have finished my research.

What exactly is this research? Because if it is simply about an arbitrary mid rate server managed by arbitrary people, then the answer is simple, no one cares.

Here again, please refer to the answer I gave Develon.
I stated that I would lead the potential project solo, with Nihad as developer and other known people for the MR scene as staff - which makes me the X factor in all of this.
Special or not lies in the eye of the beholder - I have the dedication, the passion, have never been in this for the money and gained some decent amount of trust from the community.

Again, you haven't provide any context as to who these people are and why we should care. Unless this is just a shameless plug.

Offline SukiChii

Re: a new adventure; lead by daifuku
« Reply #29 on: Jul 14, 2017, 06:38 PM »
Like I said, I don't know you.
I'm just interested in a mid rate server but you haven't provided any information as to what you're doing, aside that you're gonna do it if you have enough support. How can I support you if I don't know what you're doing?
What are the rates? Is it Pre-renewal or Renewal? Content?

Give us something other than I might do this if enough people vote yes. This tells me that you don't really want to do it because you want to, which worries me.

"well at least higher ups should at least reward players with minor stuff for reporting bugs if i have to go to forums"
-RO player