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Offline YudaPrebensen

Not sure where to post, I'll go here, I guess...

So, It all began when Munbalance (a notorious RO streamer in "NovaRO" server community) decided to take matters into his own hands and to make his own #MunbalanceRO - the titular "Helheim" section of "Shining Moon" server. As far as I understand the situation, the reason it happened was his displeasure with lack of server development, "lack of updates, class balance issues, change of direction (customizing items)".

This event opened a somewhat stinky can of worms regarding the NovaRO's admin echelon and overall server policies (mostly regarding provocative attitudes and grindy endgame) for me, that in turn made the idea of migrating appealing. Since Munbalance's content was the sole purpose that brought me to NovaRO and back to RO generally, I followed him to "Shining Moon".

I was disappointed. World bosses with "Overlord" anime sprites; a starting town that has nothing to do with the original game, crudely overlapped on Prontera; crude multiclass system, no-penalty teleport to any floor of any dungeon... These things gave a strong feeling of oversimplification, shoddiness and lack of polish. Still, I went on. Even getting myself into endless programming loop in Mora Village didn't stop me. After getting a bit tired of lvling my ranger, I decided to roll an alchemist. That was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to say.

When it came time to create a hom, it turned out that kRO decided to make it unable to behave on itself. And Shining Moon decided to retain that "feature", flushing one the most appealing components of that class down the drain. After confirming that in their discord, I dropped that server and RO in general for a time.

A few weeks later I decided to check up on Nova. It... was just as i remember it. Polished, stable, not too casual, not too early-game/mid-game grindy, with visual population activity. Moreover, homunculi are fully operational through NovaEXT. And now, I am here.

Is migration to Shining Moon's Helheim from Nova worth it? Did anyone else here had to migrate from Nova there? If so, what keeps you in "Shining Moon"? Or the general negativity regarding NovaRO is simply overblown and exaggerated?

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Offline live4lie

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 12, 2019, 08:15 pm »
approachable admin with a sense of and tolerance for humors
also low rates is s*** when you have like an hour of game time every day

Offline literalwho

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #2 on: Mar 12, 2019, 10:36 pm »
Is migration to Shining Moon's Helheim from Nova worth it?
The majority of the Renewal population are playing Renewal because it offers new "content". NovaRO is behind iRO in content. Shining Moon is ahead of iRO in content.

So unless you have a method of playing on kRO, I don't see why not.

Offline leriaskho

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 12, 2019, 10:41 pm »
Reasonable admin. Less toxic community. Un-nerfed official gears. More gears.  /kis
Who knows history might repeat itself and SM Admin might turn into another N**a?  /omg
I'd describe it as a relationship that's good at first because of the uncharted waters, but when you get the realizations you just part ways. All we can do is hope.

Offline Min

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 12, 2019, 10:50 pm »
Totally agree, NovaRO is a much more polished and refined server that takes extreme care and planning in absolutely everything it does. For casual players this may very clearly be the superior server choice for you. If you enjoy NovaRO more for it's extra polish and features then there isn't anything wrong with that! one of the best parts of having private servers is that you really get to choose your home rather than being forced to play which ever server your region assigns to you.

The issue myself and many other players had is that this abundance of attention of detail lead to the server falling behind in content and while it used to get content routinely before even iRO, those days are sadly gone. This on top of many issues endgame players were having with the server, including the drastically slowed progression pace leaving many parts of the server feeling lopsided, on top of many serious issues such as P2W regarding Enriched ores which are mainly available from the cash shop only and are given out as sparely as possible in every other example. This along with the presence of new gear which is completely incompatible with a refine system from 2008 lead us to become very pessimistic and critical of the choices made by NovaRO t

Many players felt trapped and staved for more content, things were dropping a snails pace and we were sick of waiting. I wanted a place that would focus first and foremost on progression and player experience and I'm working well with Lunar to see to it that many of RO's sore spots get the attention they need but after the proper steps in progression are taken.

Obviously there cant be one server that appeals to literally every RO player and that's a good thing, I want NovaRO to thrive as its a wonderful server and if you don't want to migrate that really isn't an issue at all. Play which ever server makes you happiest.

Munbalance, out.

Offline hexonie

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 12, 2019, 11:12 pm »
You tried the server and gave it a chance. But you went in with the wrong mindset. Maybe the server wasn't meant for you to begin with or maybe it was and you just closed off your mind from accepting that fact.

1. Is migration to Shining Moon's Helheim from Nova worth it?
Hell yes! Firstly it changed the whole party play game giving you no need to solo. I've never felt more connected to a community on Shining Moon than on Nova. The custom dungeons and events made to get kRO cash shop gear is so much better. Not to mention a custom instance to get FAWs which have taken forever to be implemented on NovaRO and still all we get are corporate-like announcements about those things from NovaRO.

2. If so, what keeps you in "Shining Moon"?
As I mentioned above. I have never felt more connected to a community on Shining Moon compared to NovaRO. There's much more content on shining moon (not just new dungeons but gears well). There is a good sense of gear progression. And the refine system keeps players like me who have spent hundreds of dollars on NovaRO refine system much more satisfied here. It truly feels like playing on official kRO since kRO has the refine events as well. The skills work as they do on kRO. The gears work as they do on kRO.

3. Or the general negativity regarding NovaRO is simply overblown and exaggerated?
I still remember the reason I joined NovaRO as it was advertised for the "authentic KRO experience". Then I realized it wasn't and I felt really cheated at that fact. In the "Truth about NovaRO" thread that was a really heated topic here on RMS, Nova himself said that they never followed official kRO from the very start.

Put yourself in my shoes - would you still continue using a product that was falsely advertised to you?

Offline ninekoki

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 12, 2019, 11:17 pm »
Anyone with more than a single digit IQ should have already figured it out that the outdated p2MAYBE WIN system from nova is retarded. 1 dollars for an enriched ore, are you kidding me? 
>b-but... nova is more polished...!!!!
Literally just play kro/jro or some s***. They are way more polished with some ACTUAL content and gear progression. Anyone with half a brain should be able to figure out how to get an account there.
>b-but.. nova is x10
LOL have you seen bio5? Minuelito tries his hardest to slow down people progression so people would buy more of his 1$ dollars enriched ore

I'm not defending some naruto wing server here but anyone who play novaro need a reality check.

Eternal reminder, this is what NovaRO used to be advertised as:
« Last Edit: Mar 12, 2019, 11:39 pm by ninekoki »

Offline Ara

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 13, 2019, 12:51 am »
Eternal reminder, this is what NovaRO used to be advertised as:


Used to, I dunno why people still bring that up anymore. What are you trying to remind people of, that Nova decided to slightly change directions? It's like if you played on ShiningMoon for the custom content, and suddenly one day they decided to focus more on a lower-rate, less-custom server.

Anyway, ShiningMoon really doesn't have much to do with Nova other than occupying the same-ish market. At the end of the day, it's a game, and people will play whichever one they enjoy.

It really isn't any of our business what people from the other server think. Let people play what they want. :T

Offline Innomite

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #8 on: Mar 13, 2019, 01:18 am »
As a PvP veteran in Nova, I was tempted by the idea of migrating to Shining Moon, not because of being unsatisfied with Nova's Admins, or the content itself, no. Nova's staff echelon is pretty much approachable, except for a couple of them, but I'm pretty sure many of the most relevant servers' GM staffs are the same, and while it is true that Nova is behind Shining Moon in terms of up-to-date events and implementations, Nova manages to develop them in a much more polished way, despite how slow it is.
The reason I was gonna leave is because of the self-destructive toxic community Nova used to have (and no, I'm not talking about Fu Wind's case, lmao). Funnily enough, after many of them left, mostly because of being banned or getting mad at Nova actually enforcing his rules, the server has become quite calm and less dramatic.

Still, I gave Shining Moon a shot because why not, and I played for a few weeks before getting really disappointed.

The topic of this thread is migration being worth it, as far as it concerns me, it's not. Most of the features Shining Moon offers you seem very good in paper, but when you actually play through them, they are mediocre, especially the custom ones. But I'm not posting this with the intention of throwing s*** at Shining Moon, as it does have quite the redeeming qualities I wish Nova would have.

Keep in mind this is just my opinion and as there are people that like Nova, there are people that like Shining Moon and that is completely fine, because both servers don't really have the same focus, as low-rates tend to last more than high-rates because of the grinding and time invested as a player on a server.

I don't exactly know all of Shining Moon's vices and virtues, or the qualities it has, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that one server is better than the other, I liked SM's freebies but I don't like their custom bosses. Also most of the people that got tired of Nova moved to Shining Moon so imagine if a bunch of SM's community are just toxic dudes that got banned on Nova or are really mad at him.
For the love of Ragnarok Online!

Offline Wasted Hours

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 13, 2019, 02:45 am »
As a longtime player of Nova and a current player of SMRO, I'd have to say the main thing that entices me is the amount of party play available in SMRO. So, I will only focus on the party play both servers offer. Playing with friends is the one thing every MMO should strive to accomplish; there's nothing more boring than playing an MMO all by yourself.

If I were to compare the amount of party play in Nova vs. SMRO, the shared loot system in SMRO completely dominates Nova in terms of PvM. Every instance/farming party in SMRO would be happy to fill their party up with players. Every single party I've been a part of in SMRO is filled with my friends (and others) excited to play together. In comparison to NovaRO, it's very hard to find players willing to invite you to their instance party because inviting more people will just dilute the drops attained.

Another topic about party play I'd like to discuss is SMRO's World Boss System. I'll compare it with the infamously failed Arena of Abyss from NovaRO. While this comparison seems kind of unfair to those that know about Arena of Abyss, both of these systems introduce a strong boss designed to be defeated by a large amount of players in a PvP setting. The focus of each content is the driving factor that pushes World Bosses above Arena of Abyss. World Bosses don't really have a focus, you can either spend your time PKing other players/parties with your own party, or try diligently to DPS down the boss for better rewards. Arena of Abyss' focus was to deal the most damage to the boss with your guild/party. The lack of focus in world bosses allow parties to choose which path they'd like to take part of; it creates more enjoyment by allowing the party a choice.

That said, SMRO is designed for groups to play with each other; soloing in SMRO is not the way to play the server. Soloing instances doesn't offer anything more to the player except a sense of accomplishment. Playing solo in World Boss is also silly; there's no way you can enjoy the PvP or PvM aspect of the World Boss if you're fighting 1 vs everyone. I truly believe, if you didn't enjoy SMRO, it was because you played by yourself.

tl;dr go make some friends, and then try SMRO again




Offline Deegs

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #10 on: Mar 13, 2019, 03:14 am »
Still, I gave Shining Moon a shot because why not, and I played for a few weeks before getting really disappointed.

The topic of this thread is migration being worth it, as far as it concerns me, it's not. Most of the features Shining Moon offers you seem very good in paper, but when you actually play through them, they are mediocre, especially the custom ones. But I'm not posting this with the intention of throwing s*** at Shining Moon, as it does have quite the redeeming qualities I wish Nova would have.

It would be really nice of you if you could elaborate more into the "good on paper but mediocre" generalizing to make your point without context makes your answer seem quite shallow.

Offline literalwho

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #11 on: Mar 13, 2019, 04:59 am »
It's like if you played on ShiningMoon for the custom content, and suddenly one day they decided to focus more on a lower-rate, less-custom server.

This comparison is completely moot on two simple facts:
1) There is no "focus", both servers are when it comes to the core concept of it, based on kRO, meaning that when Niflheim is updated and things get added, the only focus that Helheim requires is ignoring and removing additions that would not belong to a kRO enviroment.
2) Comparing NovaROs change from an "authentic kRO based" server to Shining Moons split servers is just invalid, as you do not have the choice to go between the "authentic kRO based" novaRO server and "doing their own thing with their own custom additions" novaRO server.

so imagine if a bunch of SM's community are just toxic dudes that got banned on Nova or are really mad at him.
I'm not sure why exactly you would put this at the end of the post, as the usage of "imagine" and "or" signify that this is just an assumption, which quite in fact makes you the toxic person here for trying to signify that a chunk of the community are only playing on a server due to being banned or because they hate the admin of another server.

And quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if the "toxic dudes" you are talking about, simply chose to leave not because of bans or hate, but rather not being comfortable with an admin who acts immaturely and thinks this kind of speech as a popular server owner is okay:

Offline family frieNDLy

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #12 on: Mar 13, 2019, 05:21 am »
hey guyz,

i was playing on novaro for a long time but some guild members and I got banned for using no delay cheats in the end

will me and my friends have more luck in this new server? our old guild leader deegs seems to be enjoying it too but after we got caught using the cheats he provided us with he doesn't talk to us anymore so i dont know sirs.

i just want to be able to compete in PvP again, can i use my cheats there safely?

thx for your answers

Offline Lai

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #13 on: Mar 13, 2019, 05:57 am »
Listen guys,

All you guys are wrong.

Who the hell is NovaRO? Without Munbalance, the server is nothing.

Who the hell is Shining Moon RO? Without Munbalance, the server is nothing.

Both NovaRO and Shining Moon RO had very little player, until Munbalance started to boost both servers with thousands and thousands of refer thru his videos.

So, no matter which server it is...as long as Munbalance likes it and makes videos for that server, the server is good ~~

And a bunch of fans will start playing it and making the server look good.


And, as far as we know, there is a server that is better than both of those servers, but many people despite it, because, a lot of Munbalance critism ~~
So it's all about Munbalance, everything else is irrelevant <3

Offline ninekoki

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #14 on: Mar 13, 2019, 06:02 am »
Quote
Listen guys,

All you guys are wrong.

Who the hell is NovaRO? Without Munbalance, the server is nothing.

Who the hell is Shining Moon RO? Without Munbalance, the server is nothing.

Both NovaRO and Shining Moon RO had very little player, until Munbalance started to boost both servers with thousands and thousands of refer thru his videos.

So, no matter which server it is...as long as Munbalance likes it and makes videos for that server, the server is good ~~

And a bunch of fans will start playing it and making the server look good.


And, as far as we know, there is a server that is better than both of those servers, but many people despite it, because, a lot of Munbalance critism ~~
So it's all about Munbalance, everything else is irrelevant <3

Absolute kino post 10/10

Offline Innomite

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #15 on: Mar 13, 2019, 12:23 pm »
It would be really nice of you if you could elaborate more into the "good on paper but mediocre" generalizing to make your point without context makes your answer seem quite shallow.

Note that I said most, not all of them. The server's intro when you make a new char was a red flag, at least for me. It is too long and while it is very detailed (in terms of explanation) it feels very hideous, and I'm not entirely sure but I made a couple chars and on none of them I was able to skip the intro. I may be a visual perfectionist but I didn't like the gate's NPC image either, as I also noticed that some of the skill formulas are not quite correct but it's the same in Nova so whatever.

In general, my issues with it were the graphics, tiles and NPCs. I also noticed that many people complained about the homunculus' behavior which is a big oof on Genetics. Also very personal but I didn't like the Overlord sprite bosses. These things made me think that PvP (which is not enabled just yet and lmao they're gonna open ANOTHER SERVER GATE FOR IT so rip your stuff in Helheim) is going to be a clown fiesta.

But in all fairness, Shining Moon doesn't have more bad things than good things it has. While I dislike the intro as a whole, it's not objectively bad. The NPC following you around and giving you explanations is a very good detail and I liked it, it feels like the start of a real RPG or something but it feels like it could be done better. The freebies and a costume hat of your choice is really good, on top of having a bunch of manuals and coins and other things when you're new, because we know that hats are the true endgame of any RO server.

There's a lot of things that Shining Moon could work on to polish their features and be better, and like I said before, i wouldn't go as far as saying that one server is better than the other mostly because I simply didn't like Shining Moon and it seems like a great amount of people out there did, so that's great, and it makes me feel glad that there are new players every now and then trying out RO, even when some said that it was a dying game.

Listen guys,

All you guys are wrong.

I'm actually an idiot and I love advertising my server in RMS topics that have nothing to do with it, why won't they ban me yet.

~Lai


staff edit: removed disrespectful language.
« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019, 09:11 am by yC »
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Offline LaiFan

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #16 on: Mar 13, 2019, 02:35 pm »
It would be really nice of you if you could elaborate more into the "good on paper but mediocre" generalizing to make your point without context makes your answer seem quite shallow.

aren't you the guy that got banned for using cheat tools on Nova and shared them with your guild, then cried about it and made a huge drama?

i checked Mun's videos and the content on SMRO is the opposite of official. their illusion dungeons are totally custom made, ask anyone who played iRO.

while i agree NovaRO takes their time to add the content, it's done right at least

The reason I was gonna leave is because of the self-destructive toxic community Nova used to have (and no, I'm not talking about Fu Wind's case, lmao). Funnily enough, after many of them left, mostly because of being banned or getting mad at Nova actually enforcing his rules, the server has become quite calm and less dramatic.

i couldn't agree more. the community became so much better overall, everyone is happier and friendlier now.

and at the speed NovaRO is adding content in the past few weeks, i wouldn't be surprised if they catched up. i would say it's not worth migrating over. it's the generic copy paste server, check their wiki, it's a copy of NovaRO from the top to bottom. they didn't even care to make their own rules. it will die in a couple months when their players are max level and don't party anymore, and then get bored

staff edit: removed disrespectful language.
« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019, 09:11 am by yC »

Offline Deegs

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #17 on: Mar 13, 2019, 03:55 pm »
novashill quote here
You reek of nova shill it's somewhat hilarious, you target me with assumptions completely unrelated to what the topic is about, ironically enough, half of what you said is not true. You even remind me of tachi unironically, wouldn't be surprised if it is you in a hidden account. Regardless of what you say about me, it won't change the outcome of the server's situation currently. You claim that the community of the server became so much better and FRIENDLIER, good to know that you're the person rolling out the satisfying surveys for people there, you're exactly the type of sheep people want in their games, stay strong novashill

Offline YudaPrebensen

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #18 on: Mar 13, 2019, 05:33 pm »
Thanks everyone for participating in this discussion!

So far it seems that most popular reasons for leaving Nova are community issues and somewhat botched endgame. Personally, I can deal with the latter - I can stand grinds and ok with them (Haven and Hearth stat balancing and Raggame taught me well) and I can deal with en. elu/ori (6kk zeny for a piece) and lowered success rates (the satisfaction of success has always been bigger than frustration upon failures SO FAR) more or less. The former, knowing how RO community for its most part loves moving around private servers, might actually be a problem, but not in the forseeable future, at least. I'm not zealous about kRO authenticity either. As for the "toxicity" thing... well, I have yet to see a nieche MMO without less than stable individuals. Everyone likes a good dumpster fire... that is, unless you're actually a part of it.

For now, I'll stay where I am, but will keep an eye out for SM/H's activity. Who knows, maybe they will come up with something that will instantly win me over. No bad feeling regarding Shining Moon overall, except for botched /hoai and one tiny thing that really grinds my gears:

Who the heck at SM thought that "Overlord" anime characters are JUST WHAT THE WORLD OF RO F*****G NEEDS?! I understand the desire to broaden custom content, but WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THOUGH THAT OVERLORD SPRITES ARE JUST WHAT THE GAME LACKS! That server is not even themed around that piece of media! To be fair, I am not the one with a privilige of being a part of the taste police, my taste is so s*** that I prefer NWN2 over NWN1 and "Space Clash" over "Master of Orion 2". But seriosly, IN WHAT WAY IS THAT CHOICE OF SPRITES BETTER THAN RECOLORING DRACULA'S SPRITESET IN "INVERSIA" FOR SHARTEEL AND ILLUSION OF DEATH'S SPRITE FOR AINS?!?!

...

Well, thanks everyone for participating once againg. Good luck to Mun in his new pursuit, witty vocabulary and a bit more charm to Lai, impulsive victims to ninekoki, a copy of "Civility for Dummies" for Deegs and limitless prosperity to the rest of participants!

Offline Fu Wind

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #19 on: Mar 13, 2019, 06:14 pm »
Hello people. For those who don't know me, I'm somewhat and old player of Ragnarok Online, have played this game for somewhat 9 years, passed for several private rates, and I've tested both servers, so I just wanted to give my humble opinion about this situation.

To begin with, I think there's no comparision point. Both servers are focused on different player targets. Both of them are good on their on way, and people can choose between both of them based on their personal needings. I'll try to make a exhaustive analysis of both to explain this:



NOVA:

Nova RO's a very polished server, where you can see the experience of its administration reflected on every aspect inside the game. As every server, It haves some issues (as its outdated refinement system, that don't match with KRO's updates that requires very high refinements), however the Administration seems compromised about it, and are already working on it. They're working on Monster Hunter, that promises to be a way to implement Blacksmith Blessings in a non-pay-to-win manner.

Its updates are extremely fasts, I don't know how some people can say thei're behind in content, and further, behind than IRO, when they already have very relevant content that even IRO is missing (17.1 Rework over skills, Star Emperor, Soul Reaper, Excellion Set). So that's definitively not one of NovaRo's issues, its administration seems very compromised with the Updates, every one or two months they have one.

What it is a problem in Nova, is thay they seem to be scared of progression, to the point that when they find something is "too powerful", they modify it before implementing it. Or either customizing an item (as Temporal Manteau), or either making the system to get it, way much harder than it should, compared to the rates of the server (remember we're talking on a 25x~10x server, one of the main reasons why people avoid officials to choose privates).

For example, with the Bio 5 Hats: I frecuently go Bio 5, and I'm on a Discord where people gather togheter only to make party to Bio 5. However, even there, people just talk about how frustrating is our Hat creating/enchanting system, and admit that they only go Bio5 or either "for fun", or either "for selling the loots", but not for the actual content... This demonstrating how non-related-to-the-rates this content is...  I and many people consider this as an issue. But it seems to be intentional, as the intentions of the GMs seems to be avoid the Powercreep that some people is afraid about (like the panic when people see a Ranger in KRO easily soloing Bio 5), however they take this to an extreme, which is clearly one of the weakness of the server... However, its clear that their intention is to make the server not for casual players, but for very dedicated players that need to work hard to reach the endgame.

Another minor issue to mention should be that some members of the PVP community are extremely toxic (not all, of course), to the point of not being able to talk two words without s***-talking someone. Demonstrative example:
The reason I was gonna leave is because of the self-destructive toxic community Nova used to have (and no, I'm not talking about Fu Wind's case, lmao).
However that's NOT fault of the staff. And on the other hand, Nova's PVM community is very friendly and helpful, especially with newbies. Even on Gramps you can see how PVM players are very kind and cordial to each other.   And so as kind and helpful are most of the GMs... For example, despite myself being kinda conflictive person sometimes, Panic and Tokei have helped me in a lot of occasions when I've had different issues ingame, being this a proof of how compromised they are with their labor mantaining the server, and helping all players equally. And I thank this very much.  /no1

In general is an excellent server, thought in people that wants to work hard and recieve rewards, being this a classic experience of Ragnarok Online.



SHINING MOON:

On the other hand, Shining Moon is a very promising server that have grown extremely fast (in part, thanks to Munbalance's publicity). Both its administration and all its playerbase are extremely kind and frienly, that was a great surprise for me. You breath a new fresh air in their social media, everyone seems to be happy and full of joy. Seems to have very good developers, as they have implemented stuff very reciently updated on KRO (as 17.1 skill rework, and Green Aura bosses). It's refinement system matches the one of KRO, so it has no issue with the Updates that requires high refinements to be useful (as YSF01 set, and Illusion Dungeons). So my general view of its that, despite being unpolished, it has a lot of potential to grow up. We all know that no server born in the greatness, so they have to keep that hard work, so it could become an excellent server in the future.

It is also very newbie friendly. However, it takes that to the extreme, its so easy that some players have reached +13 refinements on all their Gear in a week or two. So it's clearly focused on players that have barely-to-no-time-to-play, and want to reach Endgame very fast. In this sense, I understand why is the perfect server for Mun, cause he needs to show actualized content in his videos to keep interested his 12k followers from all-server-around.

However, what keeps me away from playing Shining Moon by now is mainly this:
World bosses with "Overlord" anime sprites; a starting town that has nothing to do with the original game, crudely overlapped on Prontera; crude multiclass system, no-penalty teleport to any floor of any dungeon...

This, plus it's strange experience modification system, that allows people to play on rates 1x ~ 100x, as they choose.

I'm not saying this is something bad, for some people that can be considered something possitive, as it allows people to "play in their own rythm". However, it's clearly not thought on people like me, that's used to a more "classic experience" of Ragnarok Online. My mind simply can't find acceptable some custom like "changing your own rates", or "changing your job in the middle of the battle", or even "Overlord Sprites". Some people is fine with it, and that's fine. There's a lot of people that can enjoy the content Shining moon has to offer, and the Server has all of the tools to grow up.




At the end of the day, both servers are good, that's why both of them are the main Focus of the actual population of Private servers. But both of them are clearly made for different kind of players. One for dedicate players with a lot of time, and the other for casual players. So the choose is up to you. /no1




Can we all agree that Lai’s post was completely worthless and just trying to promote his own server as usual at least.

Agree. I mean, I've never tested limit, so I can't say if munbalance's criticisms about it are justified or not. But it has literally nothing to do with the Topic. Seriously.
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Offline ninekoki

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #20 on: Mar 14, 2019, 05:05 am »
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Though I never tried ShiningMoon, but I wouldn't try it simply because of its edgy wings.
Even if mechanics and the way it's operated is dope. That's why in my opinion, I feel like it isn't worth it. Sorry.

Most people here is talking about Helheim, which has no naruto wing.

Offline Turtle

Re: [NovaRO/Shining Moon] Is migration to Helheim worth it?
« Reply #21 on: Mar 14, 2019, 02:32 pm »
I must say it's pretty funny watching Shills point fingers at other shills. I don't think people know what the term Shill actually means anymore. People are going to recommend a product they enjoy to others I don't see why this has to be a negative thing.

As someone who has played both servers and has left both of them(even shilled Nova for a bit myself), I just wanted to point out the irony.


Who cares if a server is worth migrating too, just play where you want to play I don't see the need to try to kick up dirt everywhere.
« Last Edit: Mar 14, 2019, 03:03 pm by Turtle »