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Offline Jebus

Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« on: Aug 12, 2009, 09:43 am »
In woe we are struggling against a ninja who spam berry's and keeps using fs, i am just wondering what is good for protection against it ? Since we all get 1 hit by it. Any cards or gear ?
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Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« on: Aug 12, 2009, 09:43 am »

Offline Jadajada

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #1 on: Aug 12, 2009, 09:48 am »
Right after FS he has 1hp, with fast reaction, you can get him
before the berry. Never got oneshot by that skill though, guess you're
playing some super highrate server...

Offline Relics

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #2 on: Aug 12, 2009, 09:52 am »
Pneuma and anti neutral gear.

- Raydric
- Deviling/GR
- Diabulus mant..
- Surv mant/rod for prof.. etc

Offline Jebus

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #3 on: Aug 12, 2009, 10:05 am »
Our server is 2/2/2 and yea i always  use throw stone after he hit me or somebody else but im not always fast enaugh since he use berry right away.

Wonder why you dont get one hit, even our high priest with 14k hp and decent gear get one hit.
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Offline Jadajada

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #4 on: Aug 12, 2009, 10:39 am »
1. I'm not sure if neutral gear helps, but judging from your decent geared
Priest being oneshot, it doesn't. All I know is FS Dmg= Ninja HP. Have yet
to see a ninja with 14k+ HP on a lowrate server. Maybe it's possible with
some of new gear or Tao Gunka card but I've only seen around max. 11k
FS damage on 99/70 servers without MvP cards. If he has tao gunka, I guess
there isn't much you can do. Sounds weird that he can spam berries on a 2/2/2
server though..

Offline Jebus

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #5 on: Aug 12, 2009, 10:43 am »
I dont think he has tao gunka, about the berry's, our castle investing is a little different. When you get enaugh points in your castles we have these npc's that you can buy different items and stuff from depending on your investment.
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Offline Relics

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #6 on: Aug 12, 2009, 11:19 am »
1. I'm not sure if neutral gear helps, but judging from your decent geared
Priest being oneshot, it doesn't.

Uh, yes it does. Final strike is neutral ele, always, and anti neutral gear helps.
http://img529.imageshack.us/i/common.jpg/
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/sensec.jpg/

If he really has tao, then he should be no problem because he should be frozen every time once he gets near your defense..
..and if this ninja is really giving you troubles specifically, keep pneuma up once he's there =/.. also make sure there's always a storm gust over his head.
« Last Edit: Aug 12, 2009, 11:24 am by Relics »

Offline SilverStream~

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #7 on: Aug 12, 2009, 12:28 pm »
How about using a ninja and using cicida?

That would work.
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Offline Scribbles

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #8 on: Aug 12, 2009, 12:44 pm »
How about using a ninja and using cicida?

That would work.
Not of that SG Is over his head /gg
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Offline A92FL0163

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #9 on: Aug 12, 2009, 04:27 pm »
Doesn't Throw Poisoned Dagger carry on effects.


Offline Sarin

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #10 on: Aug 12, 2009, 05:14 pm »
get a little bit of physical reflect. If you have to go, take him with you.

Offline Jadajada

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #11 on: Aug 12, 2009, 05:18 pm »
1. I'm not sure if neutral gear helps, but judging from your decent geared
Priest being oneshot, it doesn't.

Uh, yes it does. Final strike is neutral ele, always, and anti neutral gear helps.
http://img529.imageshack.us/i/common.jpg/
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/sensec.jpg/

If he really has tao, then he should be no problem because he should be frozen every time once he gets near your defense..
..and if this ninja is really giving you troubles specifically, keep pneuma up once he's there =/.. also make sure there's always a storm gust over his head.
I figured so. I don't understand how they can have so much trouble
with 1 Ninja then though. Let's say the HP has Thara+Raydric+Beret, that's
60% less damage. Still he gets oneshot with 14k hp? The Ninja would need
over 30k hp for that and that's not even possible with tao gunka I think.

Offline Relics

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #12 on: Aug 12, 2009, 05:36 pm »
Yeah, exactly. Ninja should NOT do such massive damage. especially considering the server is 2/2/2.

Offline Jebus

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #13 on: Aug 12, 2009, 05:57 pm »
@Sarin: We tryed with high orc card but it didnt have any affect.

@Jadajada: He got all that stuff except he use refined bunny band instead of beret wich should give him more def
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Offline Sarin

Re: Need help to protect against ninja's final strike
« Reply #14 on: Aug 12, 2009, 06:41 pm »
Actually....at WoE, with F.B., thara and ray, the damage should be cut to 28.8%. Outside WoE it is 48%, that all is compared agaisnt PvM damage (on DH medium neutral, Vanberk for example).

Tried out RODE calc, geared in in ninja as good as possible to my knowledge (With TG, but no more miniboss/MvP cards) and put on a lot of mods, and against Vanberk, in calc the FS damage was 32536. WoE damage then should be about 9k max with all reduces (DEF counts, and Vanberks have low), PvP 15k. So...if he oneshots you at WoE, something is wrong.

If you are interested, this is how I geared him:
F.B
Odin Blessing-Tao Gunka
Vali
Vidar
Evil wing ears
Valk shield-Thara
2x necklace-spore cards
+10 MG, tri bloody boned
buffs and effects: lvl10 bless agi, +5 str +3 vit food, Aloevera, Magnum Break (marine sphere card), box of resentment. Final stats: STR 120, VIT 115, rest irrelevant, max hp 18339.

I can't think of anything that would seriously improve FS to point that it would oneshot anyone. Even +10 food won't get it more than few hundred points of damage against players.