Need help to protect against ninja's final strike

Started by Jebus, Aug 12, 2009, 09:43 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Jebus

In woe we are struggling against a ninja who spam berry's and keeps using fs, i am just wondering what is good for protection against it ? Since we all get 1 hit by it. Any cards or gear ?
Check this low rate server out

http://gaia.madsites.net/Site/index.php

Jadajada

Right after FS he has 1hp, with fast reaction, you can get him
before the berry. Never got oneshot by that skill though, guess you're
playing some super highrate server...

Relics

Pneuma and anti neutral gear.

- Raydric
- Deviling/GR
- Diabulus mant..
- Surv mant/rod for prof.. etc

Jebus

Our server is 2/2/2 and yea i always  use throw stone after he hit me or somebody else but im not always fast enaugh since he use berry right away.

Wonder why you dont get one hit, even our high priest with 14k hp and decent gear get one hit.
Check this low rate server out

http://gaia.madsites.net/Site/index.php

Jadajada

1. I'm not sure if neutral gear helps, but judging from your decent geared
Priest being oneshot, it doesn't. All I know is FS Dmg= Ninja HP. Have yet
to see a ninja with 14k+ HP on a lowrate server. Maybe it's possible with
some of new gear or Tao Gunka card but I've only seen around max. 11k
FS damage on 99/70 servers without MvP cards. If he has tao gunka, I guess
there isn't much you can do. Sounds weird that he can spam berries on a 2/2/2
server though..

Jebus

I dont think he has tao gunka, about the berry's, our castle investing is a little different. When you get enaugh points in your castles we have these npc's that you can buy different items and stuff from depending on your investment.
Check this low rate server out

http://gaia.madsites.net/Site/index.php

Relics

#6
Quote from: Jadajada on Aug 12, 2009, 10:39 AM
1. I'm not sure if neutral gear helps, but judging from your decent geared
Priest being oneshot, it doesn't.

Uh, yes it does. Final strike is neutral ele, always, and anti neutral gear helps.
http://img529.imageshack.us/i/common.jpg/
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/sensec.jpg/

If he really has tao, then he should be no problem because he should be frozen every time once he gets near your defense..
..and if this ninja is really giving you troubles specifically, keep pneuma up once he's there =/.. also make sure there's always a storm gust over his head.

SilverStream~

How about using a ninja and using cicida?

That would work.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________



Scribbles

Quote from: SilverStream~ on Aug 12, 2009, 12:28 PM
How about using a ninja and using cicida?

That would work.
Not of that SG Is over his head /gg

A92FL0163

Doesn't Throw Poisoned Dagger carry on effects.


Sarin

get a little bit of physical reflect. If you have to go, take him with you.

Jadajada

Quote from: Relics on Aug 12, 2009, 11:19 AM
Quote from: Jadajada on Aug 12, 2009, 10:39 AM
1. I'm not sure if neutral gear helps, but judging from your decent geared
Priest being oneshot, it doesn't.

Uh, yes it does. Final strike is neutral ele, always, and anti neutral gear helps.
http://img529.imageshack.us/i/common.jpg/
http://img26.imageshack.us/i/sensec.jpg/

If he really has tao, then he should be no problem because he should be frozen every time once he gets near your defense..
..and if this ninja is really giving you troubles specifically, keep pneuma up once he's there =/.. also make sure there's always a storm gust over his head.
I figured so. I don't understand how they can have so much trouble
with 1 Ninja then though. Let's say the HP has Thara+Raydric+Beret, that's
60% less damage. Still he gets oneshot with 14k hp? The Ninja would need
over 30k hp for that and that's not even possible with tao gunka I think.

Relics

Yeah, exactly. Ninja should NOT do such massive damage. especially considering the server is 2/2/2.

Jebus

@Sarin: We tryed with high orc card but it didnt have any affect.

@Jadajada: He got all that stuff except he use refined bunny band instead of beret wich should give him more def
Check this low rate server out

http://gaia.madsites.net/Site/index.php

Sarin

Actually....at WoE, with F.B., thara and ray, the damage should be cut to 28.8%. Outside WoE it is 48%, that all is compared agaisnt PvM damage (on DH medium neutral, Vanberk for example).

Tried out RODE calc, geared in in ninja as good as possible to my knowledge (With TG, but no more miniboss/MvP cards) and put on a lot of mods, and against Vanberk, in calc the FS damage was 32536. WoE damage then should be about 9k max with all reduces (DEF counts, and Vanberks have low), PvP 15k. So...if he oneshots you at WoE, something is wrong.

If you are interested, this is how I geared him:
F.B
Odin Blessing-Tao Gunka
Vali
Vidar
Evil wing ears
Valk shield-Thara
2x necklace-spore cards
+10 MG, tri bloody boned
buffs and effects: lvl10 bless agi, +5 str +3 vit food, Aloevera, Magnum Break (marine sphere card), box of resentment. Final stats: STR 120, VIT 115, rest irrelevant, max hp 18339.

I can't think of anything that would seriously improve FS to point that it would oneshot anyone. Even +10 food won't get it more than few hundred points of damage against players.