ZealRO corruption

[vooboo]

This topic didn't turn out to be as interesting like the rest :c

Aside from the misleading topic title, what I gather is that one GM messed up bigtime and wrote a fake review and another GM lost his cool and did something he shouldn't have. I don't think the server admin is to blame for both of their folly.

The admin said a few things which some of you disagree with but he clearly doesn't feel the same way now and is only trying to focus on improving the game. I know as a player even I would be bloody pissed to see a server wiped without considering other alternatives with the community.

I find it funny when some of you claim the admin scammed you. Did he run away with your money and just close the server without any warning like most servers do?

I'm not saying the Admin is in the right here and he opted for the best possible solution. But at the same time none of you are speaking genuinely for the benefit of the RO community. Well I guess that's why it is in the Rant and Rave section.

I wouldn't agree that a server is run without any benefit whatsoever. It's probably true that most of the revenue go for the maintenance and upkeep but hey don't blame the ones who make it, it's also because of the ones who play it. There are an handful of servers with decent features and have no donate but people still prefer to join a server which has a donate shop. In fact, servers that sells equips and cards via donates tend to survive longer than most because they generate more revenue.

What you're essentially talking about is a matter of "he said, she said" logic. I acknowledged the possibility of his altruism and that he is acting in the server's best interests; however, I also alluded to the fact that a lot of his decisions inspire a lot of suspicions.

I'm not saying the Admin is in the right here and he opted for the best possible solution. But at the same time none of you are speaking genuinely for the benefit of the RO community. Well I guess that's why it is in the Rant and Rave section.

I'm slightly offended that you're implying that I'm not genuinely speaking on the benefit of the RO community. You talk about the benefit of the RO community, but doesn't that essentially mean that you're serving the RO community in its best interests? It's clear to me based on the admin's past history that he clearly has no respect for his player's time or resources. I understand that you may be busy with work, but at the end of the day, it's about learning to find the right balance in your life.

Frankly speaking, if you can't find the time or the right staff who are competent enough to manage a proper server, then you would be best serve the RO community by not RUNNING a server in the first place.

No one is denying that maintaining a server has costs and that donations are a means to lengthen a server's lifespan. The real issue is his lack of transparency in where the funds are going and his his incompetence and irresponsible behaviour. For example, I don't understand how it took so long for him to reach some of his conclusions. He talks about the "reflection method" in MvPing being one of the primary reasons for killing the server's economy, but how the hell did it take you to come to this conclusion when he allowed it happen throughout AvidRO's longevity? Even if it truly was an economic-breaking factor, there are a lot of different fiscal policies he could have pursued to mitigate the issue (which if you have played any of his servers, you'll find a lot of efforts to control the economy).

Let me explain it in a different way. A random homeless person asks you to donate some funds to him so that he can pursue various ventures so that he no longer has to live on the streets. Some people would not donate to him, some people will (the players in this case). What you don't know however, is that this person has a gambling problem and lost all his assets due to excessive gambling. Would you still donate money after knowing this? If yes, how do you know for sure he won't use the money for booze or to gamble? This is pretty much what's going on here, the only difference is, the marketing for a service is different.

If you're going to talk about the donation system, let me frame it into a context that makes more sense to you. When players donate, they are doing so for an in-game advantage. By doing this, they are ALSO expecting that the owner is using the funds in a manner that extends the longevity of the server, not the reverse (as Avid/Zeal is doing). The truth is, he COULD be using it to pay off expenses such as advertising or for a host, but the way he is managing the server is not extending the longevity of the server. We already have empirical proof of the same incident happening with his previous server (AvidRO), and look where it is now, long gone.

The funniest thing is, I remember on AvidRO he announced publicly both on forums and in-game that all the players that left his server would come back. They didn't. I think the reason why he thought his server was so amazing was because at the time, there were no alternative mid-rates other than Woon, which I swear to God has been up for like 10 years.

No offense, but I feel like you don't really see what the real issue at hand is since there's a lot more going on than what's posted in this thread.  For example, anyone that has had to play the game of organizational politics in huge international corporations will know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Rider]

I don't see why you had to take my words personally when I was speaking in general. Be as it may, accusations are invalid if you cannot provide proof for it. I know a few things does raise suspicion but just because a server is similar needn't necessarily mean it is the same one. People have been selling their servers and other custom add-ons and it could be the case with avid? I'm just saying we shouldn't just jump into conclusions if we cannot provide concrete proof for our arguments.

It's like I previously stated, I'm not trying to say Zeal is right or wrong here. Personally I don't like it when people use IRL as justification for slacking off in one's responsibilities to a server unless it's something important. If you can't plan properly and set aside sufficient time for a server you make then you might as well not bother undertaking such a task.

Woon has been around for 3 years now as per their server info.

Perhaps you're right and there might be a lot going on than what's brought up here. But I'm just responding based on what's stated here and right now all we have here are mostly bashing and arguments based on blank acquisitions.

[Ariasqt]

Be as it may, accusations are invalid if you cannot provide proof for it. I know a few things does raise suspicion but just because a server is similar needn't necessarily mean it is the same one. I'm just saying we shouldn't just jump into conclusions if we cannot provide concrete proof for our arguments.
But I'm just responding based on what's stated here and right now all we have here are mostly bashing and arguments based on blank acquisitions.

Proof eh? Like Zeal had any for his accusations towards GM kenny? Ok. Also regarding how this post went shouldnt it be obvious that Zeal will deny ANYTHING unless it has been proven? Like a forum moderator quoted when he was saying he never said the thing about only 50% donation money return? As soon the moderator quoted it Zeal never talked about it again. Also this guy IS a liar and there's no doubt that he is Avid. Stop trying to make him look better than he is. He's a lying scumbag who uses lies over and over again and if he's proven otherwise he just looks away from the proven truth.
He knows how RL works and we immature kids wouldnt ever understand that he's saying. (ofcourse not some people were raised properly where lying is a no go), Zeal wasn't raised like this. Now stop trying to make him look good he's a bad raised kid who never got out of puberty and for sure never grew up properly, at least, that's how he acts. If a kid does something bad (4-10 years old or so) they often deny it and if they are proven otherwise, that it's indeed their wrong doing they at least apologize - Zeal doesnt. I feel bad for him though not his fault that he wasn't raised properly. 

[Rider]

Stop trying to make him look better than he is...
He knows how RL works and we immature kids wouldnt ever understand that he's saying. (ofcourse not some people were raised properly where lying is a no go), Zeal wasn't raised like this. Now stop trying to make him look good he's a bad raised kid who never got out of puberty and for sure never grew up properly, at least, that's how he acts. If a kid does something bad (4-10 years old or so) they often deny it and if they are proven otherwise, that it's indeed their wrong doing they at least apologize - Zeal doesnt. I feel bad for him though not his fault that he wasn't raised properly. 

What in the world made you come to the assumption that I'm trying to make Zeal look better? But on the other hand, it sure looks like you're trying to make him look bad.You made this topic on a public forum so that people who don't know Zeal or Avid and all that jazz can read and respond to it. Why do you not like it when a 3rd person like me give their feedback on the topic?

People only speak up when they have something bad to say and never do the same to appreciate anything or just stay away because they have nothing bad to add themselves. Which is kinda why I felt like responding to the topic.

[Ariasqt]

What in the world made you come to the assumption that I'm trying to make Zeal look better? But on the other hand, it sure looks like you're trying to make him look bad.You made this topic on a public forum so that people who don't know Zeal or Avid and all that jazz can read and respond to it. Why do you not like it when a 3rd person like me give their feedback on the topic?

People only speak up when they have something bad to say and never do the same to appreciate anything or just stay away because they have nothing bad to add themselves. Which is kinda why I felt like responding to the topic.

I posted on a public forum because Zeal deleted all posts from his own forum and banned anyone saying something "bad" (more like true) against him. Also as you can see zeal isn't commenting anything but things he likes to read (like yours). There wasn't a single answer from him on the questions we actually asked him. I wonder why?

[Ariasqt]

I love you too Ariasqt 

See =) nothing to add bye bye Avid have fun on your empty server but you can open a new one afterwards anyway 

Edit: I remember Zeal telling me that Avid is a friend of his, then again why didn't "Avid" say anything in this topic yet?

[Henryk]

Lolz you never answer the right question xD

Btw can Admin look into those 2 account? im pretty sure he changed his IP meanwhile but you can read the post and how he speak its the same xD

http://forum.ratemyserver.net/index.php?action=profile;u=39588 Zeal

http://forum.ratemyserver.net/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=37923 Avid

[Zeal]

Has Avid posted here? Cya Avid, love you m8.

Thanks Ariasqt 

[Ariasqt]

Has Avid posted here? Cya Avid, love you m8.

Thanks Ariasqt 

Lolz you never answer the right question xD

Btw can Admin look into those 2 account? im pretty sure he changed his IP meanwhile but you can read the post and how he speak its the same xD

http://forum.ratemyserver.net/index.php?action=profile;u=39588 Zeal

http://forum.ratemyserver.net/index.php?action=profile;area=summary;u=37923 Avid

Dude check the join and last active dates:

ZEAL
Join Date: Sep 12, 2014, 03:05 pm

AVID:
Last Active: Sep 12, 2014, 01:37 pm

HAHAHAHAAH

NOP NOP NOP NOP ZEAL IS NOT AVID NOP 

Please explain this to me.

[Henryk]

pretty sure the Admin can check the IP or Logs or something else xD since must have the same IP as Avid the day he register

what he did here was, he was still logged as Avid when he wanted to make a new account andd he f*** up big time LOL

[Ariasqt]

In case mr. avid trys to deny that as well here's a screenshot:

http://i.imgur.com/1AvJMSR.png

Oh and before he claims he never said he wasn't Avid:

You made a mistake

Im not Avid.

[Zeal]

Ive not spoken to Avid in a long time but ill see if i can hold of him to post here for your satisfaction

[Ariasqt]

Ive not spoken to Avid in a long time but ill see if i can hold of him to post here for your satisfaction

Ofcourse you haven't btw tell me which proxy service or VPN you will use or who you'll ask to pretend to be Avid and make a fake conversation in skype or whatever.
You might want to explain why the account Zeal joined 1hour after Avid was online for the last time and why Avid hasn't been online since then. Also you didn't have a rms account before "Avid" quit?
Who are you trying to fool LOL what a pathetic liar you are you keep going on with your lies, oh maybe you don't even know that you are Avid, some kind of disease hell I don't know what makes you think that. 2 Personalities uh.. go see a  doctor.

[TabooRo]

Your server is dead,

The reason you are wiping is cause the servers population decreased by 50-60% over the first 2 months and it never went back up. Just like your previous server, AvidRO. You tried all your tricks and none of them work, you are hoping a fresh start will give it another chance but it won't.

Everyone else, stop joining these one-shot servers, there's already a handful of good established servers that have been up for years. Join one of those and stop giving away money to scammers and wasting your time.

Join New server -> Reborn -> Farm equips -> PvP is dead -> WoE sucks -> server dies -> repeat.

[Ariasqt]

Your server is dead,

The reason you are wiping is cause the servers population decreased by 50-60% over the first 2 months and it never went back up. Just like your previous server, AvidRO. You tried all your tricks and none of them work, you are hoping a fresh start will give it another chance but it won't.

Everyone else, stop joining these one-shot servers, there's already a handful of good established servers that have been up for years. Join one of those and stop giving away money to scammers and wasting your time.

Join New server -> Reborn -> Farm equips -> PvP is dead -> WoE sucks -> server dies -> repeat.

Thanks, he's also pretending in his new forum as if Zeal RO was new calling it "grand opening" giving out the headgears which were given out on the first launch (some kind of balloon) if you log in on the first day, deleting all previous threads etc. So yes he IS pretending ZealRO is new again. Also hes not calling it relaunch but "launch".