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Offline Dragonis1701

Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« on: Feb 28, 2017, 05:33 AM »
Total Ragnarok Online was a server that started a while ago, not really sure when, but they readvertised for their new game mode: Hardcore mode.
http://forum.ratemyserver.net/low-rates/total-ragnarok-hardcore-mode!-launching-1st-january-2017/

This was an idea that interested me. I have heard of people talk about wanting such a thing but have never seen a server actually attempt to create it. I wanted to try it. Then it turns out they also had a competition going on where the first max 99/70 trans player would receive a tablet.
https://totalragnarok.com/forums/index.php/topic,437.0.html

It was a win-win for me, since I wanted to try this hardcore mode and, should I feel inclined, I could continue and win a tablet. I became 99/70 on the 12th of January. I sent him a screenshot of me being 99/70 and Shilo, name the server admin goes by, congratulated and asked me for my name, address and phone number. Gave him my information and Shilo, a day later contacted me, asking me for the region I was in, as that was required for shipping. I provided this information and then Shilo never spoke to me again.

I asked Shilo how long they said it would take to deliver to my location on January 14th. No response.
I asked Shilo, again, if they said how long or even gave a ball park figure of how long it would take on January 25th. No response.
I told Shilo that I get that feeling that he/she is avoiding talking to me on January 30th. No response.
I asked Shilo if it was safe to assume that no tablet was coming on February 16. No response.
I then told Shilo that I didn't understand what he was trying to do. We had previously talked about how he just wants the server to grow and how the server is paid for for the next two years and how they only needed players and people to trust them. Then Shilo does this and it seems to counter what he was saying earlier. I said this on February 25th. No response.

This all took place over Skype, as Shilo has mentioned plenty of times he/she prefers talking to people over skype. I have seen the status icon be active, green, in almost all of the instances I have messaged him/her in. It is usually yellow is Shilo is afk. Just posting this in case people see other competitions to win prizes that the server admin might not be genuine.

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Offline jacobo_bobo

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #1 on: Feb 28, 2017, 07:38 AM »
It makes me so sad when servers try really hard to be unique and grow and at the end of the day the community becomes smaller than it was when it started. I remember seeing this server with 80-100 online and now down to 17 players...even with that new "hard core mode"

Anyway...

Shipping to certain countries is a pain in the butt sometimes. I live in the USA and sent my father some shoes via UPS to another country. Shoes were like 70$ and shipping like 45$...Days passed and i didnt hear my dad mention it so I thought w/e I guess lol.. A year and a half later he calls me thanking me for the shoes, but tells me they had baby rats inside on of them 0.0. I told him i sent it for father's day over a year ago..and then it made sense why they had rats inside them after.

Anyway part 2...

Maybe he did send it and it just got lost in the mail? I can see how a mail man would keep the tablet for himself instead of delivering it xD

However, the fact that he's ignoring you and did not provide a tracking number really does point me to believe that he didn't send it at all. I think he wanted the tablet and the hardcore mode to bring in more people into the server and when he saw only a few trying out the new mode/server he figured it wasn't worth losing (more) money and kept the tablet for himself.

It's sad to hear but at least, as you said, it wasn't the only reason you tried the hard core mode. Hopefully you had fun with it and it was not a waste of time.

I hope this topic gets his attention (certainly may bring him more players curious about this mode) and maybe he decides to give you the tablet then.

Good luck :)
« Last Edit: Feb 28, 2017, 08:03 AM by jacobo_bobo »
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Offline heyIamNotATroll

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #2 on: Feb 28, 2017, 08:03 AM »
I'm pretty sure they do not have the tablet with them. A lot of servers nowadays are luring players with cash or gadget as prizes for their event. The most recent one was BladeRO, I really feel it's a scam.

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Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #3 on: Feb 28, 2017, 09:25 AM »
I talked to Shilo last time January 8, dropped her the link on skype so she can check this topic out. Hope she will respond, she was always eager to make TotalRO a good and populated lowrate server.

A lot of servers nowadays are luring players with cash or gadget as prizes for their event. The most recent one was BladeRO.

This counts for most servers that seem/are shady. Servers with a good reputation wouldn't dare to do something like that.
I personally wouldn't join a server that gives out cash rewards on server opening. Doing an event on a later date where players can choose between cash points and real cash is fine if it's not in crazy numbers.  /hmm
Hope Shilo will reply soon, otherwise she's just going to end up being a shady Admin and she's to nice to be that kind of person imo.  /wah

Offline Kenai

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #4 on: Feb 28, 2017, 10:35 PM »
The way you earned your 99/70 was illegitimate. You used an Acolyte alt with Warp Portal to warp your HC character. Several players, included myself corroborated the same story and made similar reports for your particular case. Because of these reports, the server underwent extensive maintenance to fix Warp Portal and make it unusable for HC players. You kind of abused something you knew you should not have, and I even confronted you personally about it. I will applaud the fact that you actually tried to get away with it by going to an underpopulated town map, but that just goes to show that you were doing something that you clearly knew you should not have done.

There's been a hiatus that the Admins and even many players have taken for a while now. This is something we were all aware of as holidays, academics, and work tend to ramp up for a few months after the new year.

Shilo is back, though. She sent out 2700 newsletters today and has already begun looking for additional staff. I'd suggest getting in touch with her. I'll give you this: it isn't your fault that Warp Portal mechanics were overlooked, so it might be worth arguing.

Also, Elaria guy above me: kind of unprofessional in official capacity to be suggesting that TotalRO does not have a good reputation or that Shilo is shady. That is completely false; TotalRO has always had fair business dealings and is perhaps the most balanced server in that regard, which is why I am adamant about staying there even in a time of low population. Secondly, TotalRO never awarded cash rewards on server opening. That implication in your post is false; even if unintentional, it is plain misleading, so I will leave this post here to clarify.

Back to OP: TotalRO is a wonderful server and I think you will get an answer soon considering that Shilo is back. But be wary of the fact that you still clearly abused Warp Portal and tried to hide it.

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Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #5 on: Mar 01, 2017, 02:33 AM »
Also, Elaria guy above me: kind of unprofessional in official capacity to be suggesting that TotalRO does not have a good reputation or that Shilo is shady. That is completely false; TotalRO has always had fair business dealings and is perhaps the most balanced server in that regard, which is why I am adamant about staying there even in a time of low population. Secondly, TotalRO never awarded cash rewards on server opening. That implication in your post is false; even if unintentional, it is plain misleading, so I will leave this post here to clarify.

Think you missunderstood it completely. In my first sentence I said that Shilo has always been eager to make TotalRO a good server, the server also has a good reputation, hence why she won't fall under the category of those servers that seem shady. However I was hoping she would reply soon so she doesn't fall into this category for topic opener/others who read this topic, because she's way to nice for that. Was never my intention to make Shilo look bad, she's a friend/old customer of mine since years by now - jeez.

Offline Dragonis1701

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #6 on: Mar 01, 2017, 04:30 AM »
The way you earned your 99/70 was illegitimate. You used an Acolyte alt with Warp Portal to warp your HC character. Several players, included myself corroborated the same story and made similar reports for your particular case. Because of these reports, the server underwent extensive maintenance to fix Warp Portal and make it unusable for HC players. You kind of abused something you knew you should not have, and I even confronted you personally about it. I will applaud the fact that you actually tried to get away with it by going to an underpopulated town map, but that just goes to show that you were doing something that you clearly knew you should not have done.
I went on a town map that had less people on it and had quick access to storage/warper. Lighthalzen was the only map that met my needs. Usually I do Hugel but the cool guy kafra corp was removed. Shilo actually thought it was a "nice tactic" of using warp portal. I told him I figured it wasn't against the rules, considering the whole no "buffs" thing HC had going on and Warp Portal circumvents that. I even asked Shilo if she wanted me to stop using it and she said it was fine, of which I also told you in-game. Here's a screenshot.
http://imgur.com/a/Ip7Gs

It's funny how my win is considered illegitimate when the admin says it was fine and I only warped to a location I liked killing mobs on. I even stopped using it before I reborned but regardless, should Shilo have said, Nah, not legitimate, I would have just restarted my character. She confronted me when I was 92? And the next best person was 80? I would have had no gripes of getting back to where I was. So, your issue with me using Warp Portal for what amounts to around 11 levels when I got the full 1 to 99/70 trans without it just seems to stem from jealousy.

Edit: Fully read your post now. The whole "hide" aspect. No. If I wanted to hide it, I probably would have saved at an inn and used zeny as to clearly make sure I would never get caught. I was not hiding anything. Being in a town with people, while being Hardcore, just feels show-offy and I, in general, just feel I would have been distracted to talk rather than focus on leveling. I came into this expecting there to be quite a few people going for it but it seems I was the only one who hardcored it.

Edit 2: The more I read your comment, the more I realize how you really tried to push the illegitimate aspect of it. You mention the warp portal but no for how long. I believe it was 91 to 98 non-trans that I used it? And none afterwards. "Extensive Maintenance" Maybe you confused the times the server went down to fix the crashes caused by mobs using non-damage statusing skills on HC players with the not even 30 minutes maintenance that literally just commented warpportal in the skilldb? It's funny because I remember you, too. When I told you Shilo said it was okay, you kept saying you "doubted it."
http://imgur.com/a/ku8Zm
« Last Edit: Mar 01, 2017, 05:03 AM by Dragonis1701 »

Offline heyIamNotATroll

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #7 on: Mar 01, 2017, 04:37 AM »
The way you earned your 99/70 was illegitimate. You used an Acolyte alt with Warp Portal to warp your HC character. Several players, included myself corroborated the same story and made similar reports for your particular case. Because of these reports, the server underwent extensive maintenance to fix Warp Portal and make it unusable for HC players. You kind of abused something you knew you should not have, and I even confronted you personally about it. I will applaud the fact that you actually tried to get away with it by going to an underpopulated town map, but that just goes to show that you were doing something that you clearly knew you should not have done.

There's been a hiatus that the Admins and even many players have taken for a while now. This is something we were all aware of as holidays, academics, and work tend to ramp up for a few months after the new year.

That's not the player's fault. The developers should've thought of this before they started the game. And of course, several players will report him because they're envious /heh (crab mentality).

"You kind of abused something you knew you should not have" loooooooooooool

Again, you should've thought about this and you should've ironed out your rules before you started the event. It's like you hosted a marathon and while players were running, you suddenly told him that running isn't allowed.

And Elaria never said anything bad, in fact she can't believe that Shilo will do tha (even she already did). Shilo should just close down her server if she has no time to at least respond to his server, stop giving your players the "busy with school/work" bs, because you started this and you should be ready to face these. Owning a private server is not just a hobby that you can just suddenly abandon, owners should treat their servers as their fulltime job.

Offline Kreustoo

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #8 on: Mar 01, 2017, 05:35 AM »
stop giving your players the "busy with school/work" bs, because you started this and you should be ready to face these. Owning a private server is not just a hobby that you can just suddenly abandon, owners should treat their servers as their fulltime job.
The things you don't understang is that YOU joined a server made by a fan and that is not a "fulltime job", you can't blame them for that.
Moreover, a server made for money, meh ~~.

I love how the players who plays for free blame the gm for not being pro enough, hey, I've got a news for you, most of the server are fanmade, it'll never be perfect, IRL can take a lot of time, and getting no support from community can lead to an admin quit. Because it's fan made, why on earth should an admin continue working for people that really don't care about them ? They known they make mistakes, and yeah, too much mistakes ruins a server (or a really big one), but the good ones are really trying to do there best. And what can help them to have a better server ? Yey, you, the community ! Instead of trying to bypass/bug abuse everything, you can help the admin to have a better server to play, suprising right ?

It would be so fun to have only money maker owner, wow. 3 month grab money servers everywhere.


Actually, there, it seems that he asked if he could continue, so there is no "you abused something you knew was wrong", he asked even if it wasn't forbidden and they allowed it.

I hope it'll be a good ending story.

Offline heyIamNotATroll

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #9 on: Mar 01, 2017, 01:27 PM »
The things you don't understang is that YOU joined a server made by a fan and that is not a "fulltime job", you can't blame them for that.
Moreover, a server made for money, meh ~~.

I love how the players who plays for free blame the gm for not being pro enough, hey, I've got a news for you, most of the server are fanmade, it'll never be perfect, IRL can take a lot of time, and getting no support from community can lead to an admin quit. Because it's fan made, why on earth should an admin continue working for people that really don't care about them ? They known they make mistakes, and yeah, too much mistakes ruins a server (or a really big one), but the good ones are really trying to do there best. And what can help them to have a better server ? Yey, you, the community ! Instead of trying to bypass/bug abuse everything, you can help the admin to have a better server to play, suprising right ?

It would be so fun to have only money maker owner, wow. 3 month grab money servers everywhere.


Actually, there, it seems that he asked if he could continue, so there is no "you abused something you knew was wrong", he asked even if it wasn't forbidden and they allowed it.

I hope it'll be a good ending story.

Then they shouldn't open a server to begin with if they can't offer a good customer service. And you've misunderstood what I've said about treating their server as their fulltime job,I'm not telling them to literally quit working or schooling and just focus on their Ragnarok server, what I meant was if they have opened a server then that should be one of their top priorities just like when they're working. (lol, people's comprehension nowadays is sooo poor)

That's why a lot of servers are popping out and closing because they're just "fans" who dreams to be a GM and when they got there, they didn't expect the pressure it comes with. Also, all servers are "fanmade" (obviously) and not all of them had this dumb mistake (hosting an event then changes the rules in the middle of it).

Offline Dragonis1701

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #10 on: Mar 18, 2017, 04:31 AM »
I'll add some more information to further back up my claims.

Tablet event on their forums: https://totalragnarok.com/forums/index.php/topic,437.0.html
Screenshots of the relevant information should they decide to remove the post: http://imgur.com/a/QTlsD
Screenshot of the rankings with me on top: http://imgur.com/a/zcf3x
Screenshot of my character in-game: http://imgur.com/a/yyYLh
Screenshot of the admin saying it is fine that I have used warp portal: http://imgur.com/a/bJB6O
Screenshot of the admin congratulating me for winning and asking for my information (I was never announced as the winner): http://imgur.com/a/nBj1U
Screenshot of my repeatedly trying to get in contact with the admin: http://imgur.com/a/3LfFb
Screenshot of me telling the admin about this thread: http://imgur.com/a/DZlbo

I think this is sufficient evidence to back up my claims that the admin has made an event and has not sent me the tablet but, alas, it is true that I can not prove that I did not receive the tablet but it should be suspicious that the admin has yet to comment on this thread despite me, personally, telling the admin about the thread that I posted. If Shilo had ordered the tablet, a receipt would easily prove her innocence or at least a tracking number as, if it were sent, it has yet to arrive and would still be valid.

Offline Kenai

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #11 on: Mar 19, 2017, 01:28 AM »
Think you missunderstood it completely. In my first sentence I said that Shilo has always been eager to make TotalRO a good server, the server also has a good reputation, hence why she won't fall under the category of those servers that seem shady. However I was hoping she would reply soon so she doesn't fall into this category for topic opener/others who read this topic, because she's way to nice for that. Was never my intention to make Shilo look bad, she's a friend/old customer of mine since years by now - jeez.

You're fine dude, I'm just defending what I have experienced personally.

I went on a town map that had less people on it and had quick access to storage/warper. Lighthalzen was the only map that met my needs. Usually I do Hugel but the cool guy kafra corp was removed. Shilo actually thought it was a "nice tactic" of using warp portal. I told him I figured it wasn't against the rules, considering the whole no "buffs" thing HC had going on and Warp Portal circumvents that. I even asked Shilo if she wanted me to stop using it and she said it was fine, of which I also told you in-game. Here's a screenshot.
http://imgur.com/a/Ip7Gs

It's funny how my win is considered illegitimate when the admin says it was fine and I only warped to a location I liked killing mobs on. I even stopped using it before I reborned but regardless, should Shilo have said, Nah, not legitimate, I would have just restarted my character. She confronted me when I was 92? And the next best person was 80? I would have had no gripes of getting back to where I was. So, your issue with me using Warp Portal for what amounts to around 11 levels when I got the full 1 to 99/70 trans without it just seems to stem from jealousy.

Edit: Fully read your post now. The whole "hide" aspect. No. If I wanted to hide it, I probably would have saved at an inn and used zeny as to clearly make sure I would never get caught. I was not hiding anything. Being in a town with people, while being Hardcore, just feels show-offy and I, in general, just feel I would have been distracted to talk rather than focus on leveling. I came into this expecting there to be quite a few people going for it but it seems I was the only one who hardcored it.

Edit 2: The more I read your comment, the more I realize how you really tried to push the illegitimate aspect of it. You mention the warp portal but no for how long. I believe it was 91 to 98 non-trans that I used it? And none afterwards. "Extensive Maintenance" Maybe you confused the times the server went down to fix the crashes caused by mobs using non-damage statusing skills on HC players with the not even 30 minutes maintenance that literally just commented warpportal in the skilldb? It's funny because I remember you, too. When I told you Shilo said it was okay, you kept saying you "doubted it."
http://imgur.com/a/ku8Zm

I don't quite understand your argument regarding hiding your use of Warp Portal considering that nearly every town on the server has Warpra and Storage. The only Save Point that I know of that is off is Morroc.

And yeah, there's no use in trying to turn this around on me because this isn't about jealousy; I do not play HC on the server and I haven't had the desire to. I like playing with others. So I could care less about you getting to 99/70 first, in fact I find that to be quite a feat and I do believe that you certainly could have achieved it without Warp Portal, as I'm sure many others can and--because of you--now must do, because Warp Portal is now disabled on HC players from your point forward.

As far as your last little tirade edit there, you are actually wrong and I am not confusing some other crashes. For about two weeks the server had Warp Portal disabled entirely due to this, again not any of your fault directly so don't feel as though that is where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to attack you, just realize that your HC was earned in a questionable way and even is condoned by GMs, is still under different and more liberal circumstances than every future player after you. That isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact at this point: You were allowed to use a feature that now no player on that same game mode may now use. It is not my place to say whether or not that disqualifies you, and from the looks of it you are still entitled to your iPad. I never doubted that and I still encourage you to seek it out... I mean, it's a free freaking iPad. I would be making the same argument if I were in your shoes.

That's not the player's fault. The developers should've thought of this before they started the game. And of course, several players will report him because they're envious /heh (crab mentality).

"You kind of abused something you knew you should not have" loooooooooooool

Again, you should've thought about this and you should've ironed out your rules before you started the event. It's like you hosted a marathon and while players were running, you suddenly told him that running isn't allowed.

And Elaria never said anything bad, in fact she can't believe that Shilo will do tha (even she already did). Shilo should just close down her server if she has no time to at least respond to his server, stop giving your players the "busy with school/work" bs, because you started this and you should be ready to face these. Owning a private server is not just a hobby that you can just suddenly abandon, owners should treat their servers as their fulltime job.

Hey you should read a little bit. I did not make the rules and had nothing to do with the event considering that I am not a GM and nothing close to that, just a passionate and active player on the server. Remember to read next time, and a little critically, too.

lol, people's comprehension nowadays is sooo poor
Hm, yeah... no kidding. Maybe you should lecture us on it.^^^

As far as your last point, yeah you're completely wrong. People have to work. They have to earn a living. And even if they are well off, it is still healthy to engage in a profession and seek some sort of advancement, perform a civic duty, or engage in personal business or enrichment. If you expect me or anyone else in the community to fault a GM or Admin for wanting to have that in their life, then that is unreasonable. For most sane people, work, school, and family come first in priority to things like hobbies. You'll probably learn that in due time.

People do work. They do go to school. This includes GMs. GMs accept donations, not payments to the server. They don't have customers, they have players that are part of a community. You might think that a server is like a business, but in many cases it is not. It is a hobby, something people want to devote a little bit of time to when they are not working or tending to life's needs. Players DONATE to servers in support of them, they do not PAY servers for premium content--though donation rewards on several servers would have you believe otherwise. Thankfully TotalRO does not work that way and any player can earn Cash Points without even donating.

Offline Dragonis1701

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #12 on: Mar 19, 2017, 06:06 AM »
I don't quite understand your argument regarding hiding your use of Warp Portal considering that nearly every town on the server has Warpra and Storage. The only Save Point that I know of that is off is Morroc.

And yeah, there's no use in trying to turn this around on me because this isn't about jealousy; I do not play HC on the server and I haven't had the desire to. I like playing with others. So I could care less about you getting to 99/70 first, in fact I find that to be quite a feat and I do believe that you certainly could have achieved it without Warp Portal, as I'm sure many others can and--because of you--now must do, because Warp Portal is now disabled on HC players from your point forward.

As far as your last little tirade edit there, you are actually wrong and I am not confusing some other crashes. For about two weeks the server had Warp Portal disabled entirely due to this, again not any of your fault directly so don't feel as though that is where I'm coming from. I'm not trying to attack you, just realize that your HC was earned in a questionable way and even is condoned by GMs, is still under different and more liberal circumstances than every future player after you. That isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact at this point: You were allowed to use a feature that now no player on that same game mode may now use. It is not my place to say whether or not that disqualifies you, and from the looks of it you are still entitled to your iPad. I never doubted that and I still encourage you to seek it out... I mean, it's a free freaking iPad. I would be making the same argument if I were in your shoes.
Edit: I wrote this whole thing but, basically, we're just arguing logistics. In the end, you, a dedicated and passionate player, in your own words, agree that I did earn the Tablet, so I don't really have anymore to say/prove. So... Now all I have to do is figure out how to actually obtain my tablet.
« Last Edit: Mar 19, 2017, 06:30 AM by Dragonis1701 »

Offline Boreas

Re: Total Ragnarok Online - Still Waiting For My Tablet
« Reply #13 on: Mar 19, 2017, 08:51 AM »
[....] how to actually obtain my tablet.

You don't, end of story.