the biggest reason not to join talonRO!

[Cressy]

The problem here is that you've picked up one thing and gone "UNBALANCED!!! THIS FEATURE IS UNBALANCED" and failed to see that there are other features around it. And I guess it's because you've not played the server a lot? You've kinda gathered all your info on the server from reading random extracts from our wiki or something, so somewhere you failed to see a bigger picture.

Also, this keeps coming up, so for sinX card, two words: Cloaked Asura.
I even have a video here to demonstrate:

Spoiler

FeelRO FarZan 05/10/2009

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(and no, you couldn't really get this same effect out of a frilldora card not unless everyone is kindly standing next to a wall waiting for you)

On a server like ours, were MVP cares are reasonably easy to come by, this kinda thing would be most terrible and insane. Same sorta situation applies with LK card, zerk sinXs are pretty scary things. As for ifrit, the reason behind that one is a lot sadder to me, I would hate to see people getting their hand on this card and using it to AFK level. Earthquake is a fairly powerful skill and being able to walk off and let it play the game for you is not right...

You're looking at this from an iRO perspective, taking bits and saying they're "imbalanced" because if you put access to that particular card in iRO it would be. You're not looking at our customs as a whole, and so you're not seeing opposing features that balance things or why certain cards HAD to be changed.

[Midori]

Huh. Checked Anesis. That is quite literally the same card changelog as TalonRO (save the fact that Maya P doesn't turn you into Starcraft anti-air defenses). They even have Vanilla WoE!

I'm slightly confused! Which is the actual sequel to Anima/Anthem/whatever? I'm leaning towards Anesis since it seems to be worse than Talon in every possible way and starts with "An".

This is going too deep into both servers history, however both are sequels to the former AnimaRO. The Server population of AnesisRO is talking for itself: The server has been dead for some time. What I wanted to show is, that an old server ain't automatically a good one and a good server does not require to be old.

No need to comment on the rest of your post, since others already pointed out how that WOULD be overpowered.

In Anesis, GTB isn't changed and they seem to do just fine.
Also, Anesis is older than Talon.

It's not, get your facts straight. Both Servers Data is as old as the other servers, aROs has been less active and suffered from more down times thought.

It should be changed because our hands are not tied to Gravity's "official" whims, because we happen to be using an emulator that lets us change anything at all about the game that we please to edit, even down to the most core of the math, and because we should straight-up know better than to let such a blatant class-nullifier go through.

It's curious the go-to answer to the MVP Card/GTB "problem" is to play the game mode that doesn't have them at all.[/b]

What a nonesense, GTB is not overpowered, that's the point why it does not need to be changed. And the fact that everyone is able to get it, not just people who donate or farm is an improvement and not making it "worse"

AnimaRO -> NewAnimaRO -> AnthemRO -> AnimusRO -> AnesisRO

AnimaRO -> TalonRO

May be easier to understand.
AnimaRO had serveral Name changes during the last years due to GM Team changes as well as Head GM changes.

I guess I should've used and instead of or.

That's what I wanted to point out. TalonRO offers a good balance of age and activity. Without any huge wipes and a steady GM Team.

And seriously, VANILLA WOE.  Who cares if those things look boring in paper for the unrestricted part of the game.  You can choose to not get the gears for PvM (similiar to not going after the godgears in RPGs) and unres WoE is still playable.

This.

[Cawliflower]

With 1500+ players online (regardless of vendor counts... blah blah...), obviously people like the server. However, every single TalonRO review thread, whether negative or positive, turns into a keyboard warrior debate. Move on haters, s***; it's time to grow up.

[munchies1]

I don't think most people actually like the server that much, it appeals to basically lower skill players. The way it's advertised as "first place" all the time is obviously going to be the most viewed server by the masses. Compared to what the classic pre-renewal servers, talonRO is basically just over-customized and completely in it for profit. (CASH FOR COIN SYSTEM)

Some servers stay true to pre-renewal and also only ask for donations in paying the server hosting fees, not to put in their own pocket.

But hey.. if you wanna join a server that gets flooded with tons of random people, and compete by spending your $$ go ahead. May as well play iRO, both GM's on iRO and talon have a don't care attitude. And why should they? they already have 1000+ people online after all.

TalonRO, not even once. 

[Cressy]

I don't think most people actually like the server that much, it appeals to basically lower skill players. The way it's advertised as "first place" all the time is obviously going to be the most viewed server by the masses. Compared to what the classic pre-renewal servers, talonRO is basically just over-customized and completely in it for profit. (CASH FOR COIN SYSTEM)

Some servers stay true to pre-renewal and also only ask for donations in paying the server hosting fees, not to put in their own pocket.

But hey.. if you wanna join a server that gets flooded with tons of random people, and compete by spending your $$ go ahead. May as well play iRO, both GM's on iRO and talon have a don't care attitude. And why should they? they already have 1000+ people online after all.

TalonRO, not even once. 

Have... have you even played the server... I am not sure you have... Talon coins are easily obtainable without a single donation. Ever. So, yeah, we do have a Cash for Coin System, buuuut, it's hardly the only way to compete. I've WoE'd, and take part in all the end game PvM without ever donating ._.

[DeePee]

*thinks of actually writing a decent reply to munchies1*
*looks through his post history*
*figures he's an elitist troll and decides it's not worth the effort*

[Meta]

I did a Vanilla WoE once in my short time on TalonRO. That was no gaggle of low-skill players. I don't know about the average player, but it's good enough to bring good players to its WoE.

[Cawliflower]

I don't think most people actually like the server that much, it appeals to basically lower skill players. The way it's advertised as "first place" all the time is obviously going to be the most viewed server by the masses. Compared to what the classic pre-renewal servers, talonRO is basically just over-customized and completely in it for profit. (CASH FOR COIN SYSTEM)

Some servers stay true to pre-renewal and also only ask for donations in paying the server hosting fees, not to put in their own pocket.

But hey.. if you wanna join a server that gets flooded with tons of random people, and compete by spending your $$ go ahead. May as well play iRO, both GM's on iRO and talon have a don't care attitude. And why should they? they already have 1000+ people online after all.

TalonRO, not even once. 

Um. Yes, all 1,500+ players don't like it. They're just playing there because Black Talon himself forced it upon them. I think you're on to something...

[Midori]

I really start to ask myself why people keep thinking that TalonRO is a cash server... Is there somewhere a sign I haven't seen that gives them a wrong impression?

Mini Games, Monster of the week and Voting do offer a lot of ways to get those coins without donating.
You can obtain anything by farming Zeny without the need to touch CCs or TCs at all.

I have already played 7 years on this server on and off. I started as Student without any money, back then I was really happy not to have any disadvantages because I didn't donate. (Funny enough back then I got most of my equip) TalonRO is not even comparable with iRO simply because iRO is restricting the -- at least some! -- cash items to real-money-investors only TalonRO makes all items available for everyone simply by letting them join Mini Games or by Voting.

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I can't say I have never donated as many others did in this topic.

I did, just recently, simply because I thought "They have been able to offer me 7 years of memories that I am now very fond of, I should support the server at least a tiny bit!". So I donated like 10$ or so. I didn't spend that money because I wanted some item or because I felt the urge to get a new card or service or what-so-ever. I got that stuff already by farming during those 7 -- almost 8 -- years.


It's up to you how much you spent, and if at all. Nobody forces you.
I don't see how TalonROs system is cash grabbing. It's anything but that, really.

TalonRO has it's bad sides, however NONE of them are mentioned here in this thread...

[RoseTea]

What a nonesense, GTB is not overpowered, that's the point why it does not need to be changed. And the fact that everyone is able to get it, not just people who donate or farm is an improvement and not making it "worse"

Given you quoted me before saying this, I guess it was in response to me.  I never said GTB is overpowered, I just said it was a blatant class-nullifier.  If we're going to go figure out if it's overpowered/imbalanced/whatever, we need to look at how much effort a GTB card is to execute versus how much is needed to overcome it, which is something probably best reserved for another thread.  And no, availability isn't a direct factor in its im/balance, but it does exaggerate it.

Were the other MVP cards changed in TalonRO because they were overpowered?

[Boreas]

Make your own server, have 1500 people online and then come back to RMS and rant about TalonRO.

Like anybody cares what some trolls have to say about the best low rate on the RMS forum. Keep bashing, I will enjoy the show.

Inb4morepointlesspostings

[munchies1]

Have... have you even played the server... I am not sure you have... Talon coins are easily obtainable without a single donation. Ever. So, yeah, we do have a Cash for Coin System, buuuut, it's hardly the only way to compete. I've WoE'd, and take part in all the end game PvM without ever donating ._.

*thinks of actually writing a decent reply to munchies1*
*looks through his post history*
*figures he's an elitist troll and decides it's not worth the effort*

Don't worry I played your server it sucked, I hope it gets shut down honestly. You guys are greedy people only care about $$

[Boreas]

Don't worry I played your server it sucked, I hope it gets shut down honestly. You guys are greedy people only care about $$

Nothing of value was lost, play somewhere else then. Or even better, troll more on the RMS forum, that will keep you busy.

[Bue]

Don't worry I played your server it sucked, I hope it gets shut down honestly. You guys are greedy people only care about $$

Most private servers are out to make profit; its not a community service, unless you're part of the group of people who happen to maintain the open source server SVN and code.

[munchies1]

Most does not mean all. The server I play on has been running since 2004, only wiped once 2 years ago. And is non-profit. You players should reconsider what servers you decide to spend your time on.