TalonRo banned by assumption

[Xarale]

Well.  Let's have a review of the facts presented so far.

1) The two locations, Uppsala and Bromma.  OP, you claim to be from Uppsala, so the fact the location shows as Bromma can't be you right?  Wrong.  Thanks to Google Maps, I worked out that the distance between Uppsala (your actual location) and Bromma (the location shown on the EpicNPC profile) is 43.3 miles.  Now, I live in a small town called Bude, and yet my location is often always shown as Plymouth, which is 44 miles away.  The fact that the location of the EpicNPC account shows Bromma, does not automatically mean it cannot be you.  The mere fact that you and this EpicNPC profile both happen to be from Sweden (and within 43 miles too!) is quite suspicious in itself.

2) Seiren kindly presented us with an exact list of items posted up on EpicNPC, and compared them with the items in your inventory/storage, and behold - It's a perfect match!  Now, you can argue that various other players on Talon may have the same items as you, and maybe you're right.. some players might have a few of the items on that list.  But what are the chances of other players having each and every single one of those items with the exact same cards and exact same refine rates?  I'd say extremely slim.  Furthermore as Seiren said, the person on EpicNPC cannot be framing you since no one would know every single piece of gear/cards/refine rates you have but yourself.

3) As Boreas mentioned, the person on the EpicNPC account suddenly logged in just 1 minute after Boreas provided you with a link to the EpicNPC thread.  Now, if this was the only suspicious fact, then it could probably be deemed as mere coincidence.  That's not the case here though, as we have the two points mentioned above as well to consider. 

Sorry OP, but when you add up all three points together, I don't see these as mere coincidences.  If you can provide any sort evidence to prove otherwise, then by all means please post it here on this thread.  Otherwise, you can't really blame the GMs for thinking you're guilty.

-X.

[Azura5437]

Well.  Let's have a review of the facts presented so far.

1) The two locations, Uppsala and Bromma.  OP, you claim to be from Uppsala, so the fact the location shows as Bromma can't be you right?  Wrong.  Thanks to Google Maps, I worked out that the distance between Uppsala (your actual location) and Bromma (the location shown on the EpicNPC profile) is 43.3 miles.  Now, I live in a small town called Bude, and yet my location is often always shown as Plymouth, which is 44 miles away.  The fact that the location of the EpicNPC account shows Bromma, does not automatically mean it cannot be you.  The mere fact that you and this EpicNPC profile both happen to be from Sweden (and within 43 miles too!) is quite suspicious in itself.

2) Seiren kindly presented us with an exact list of items posted up on EpicNPC, and compared them with the items in your inventory/storage, and behold - It's a perfect match!  Now, you can argue that various other players on Talon may have the same items as you, and maybe you're right.. some players might have a few of the items on that list.  But what are the chances of other players having each and every single one of those items with the exact same cards and exact same refine rates?  I'd say extremely slim.  Furthermore as Seiren said, the person on EpicNPC cannot be framing you since no one would know every single piece of gear/cards/refine rates you have but yourself.

3) As Boreas mentioned, the person on the EpicNPC account suddenly logged in just 1 minute after Boreas provided you with a link to the EpicNPC thread.  Now, if this was the only suspicious fact, then it could probably be deemed as mere coincidence.  That's not the case here though, as we have the two points mentioned above as well to consider. 

Sorry OP, but when you add up all three points together, I don't see these as mere coincidences.  If you can provide any sort evidence to prove otherwise, then by all means please post it here on this thread.  Otherwise, you can't really blame the GMs for thinking you're guilty.

-X.

You know what , this is something i really want to hear from a High GM from TalonRO or someone that involve in the case.
I just want to say thank you and i will prove and answer everything you ask up here straightly.

1) The position does not prove that i am totally unguilty , but it prove about Boreas fact that he claim that "the location can only be seen by me" which he assumed that i am the one that selling my ID which is not true. Anyone can see it.

Now let me borrow your sentences. You said yourself " Now, I live in a small town called Bude, and yet my location is often always shown as Plymouth, which is 44 miles away. ".
This also prove it that what " Boreas " said about location will only show the location where you live in is not right at all.
* referring to this words he answered me in support ticket which clearly said he mention it up *

Spoiler

[close]

Why do Boreas need to fake up about that location thing ? and if by any chances i don't know about this and its totally show somewhere i am nearby like that , now the case is High GM lying to me. It cause an uncertain fact and i don't want to believe anything any longer but myself.

True that the fact that the location is not an exact position , but it is not true with the fact that it is always the same location for a viewer. With this said i doubt High GM.

2) The item lists is not a perfect match which i also prove with the same kind of evidence as Seiren statue up. Let me quote it.

I also have 3x SG saber , Drake dex rod. I also have a custom cat bell not a normal one. I have seal essences on my BS too. I have HP HW CHAMPION SNIPER BS STALKER not just 3 characters.
There is more Formal suit not carded that i affixed my stone in it and few of armors that i haven't refine it yet. I also have a golden dragon costumes which is high price and if i am the one selling my own ID i could use it to lure in a lot of buyer , i mean if i am the one i already statue most of my items already , why not at all ?
I got a lot of things that could be sold and lure a lot of buyer if i am going to do it. Why don't i write it down all of it if i going to sell it anyway
Most of items in my storage is not a potion but in fact a lot of quest , event items. Pet taming is one of the most there.
If you check my log in activities this is not my first time that i logging in after have not been online for a long time too.

http://www.epicnpc.com/threads/622472-Selling-TalonRo-account

There is more to add.
My platinum shield is +5 and that thread mention it was +4.
I don't have clip teleport but in fact it is Ring teleport that i have.
About PCB i have a custom one and that thread did not mention anything.
As for Mantle [Porcellio card] , my Mantle also affixed with enhanced stone +flee rate on it.

Seiren does not input everything i have here but in fact , input everything that they find its the same in the lists on that thread here instead.
And yes this is really slim for my helping hand but it can't be deny that these items that mention there is not exactly the same as mine.
It is also true that " IF by any chances " i am the one selling my own ID and i might make this up to escape from GM investigation. But why bother do something risky like type down everything i have to lure GM in to ban me ? I can just write down " I got a lot of super SQI and expensive items on the server for sell " instead.

More than that Boreas said that i already log in before that thread about selling my ID happens , which mean i already check all of my items and i should not miss any of it. If i am the one selling it that's it.
Futhermore my valhalla SQI is not free. I have already used my HP to start progress on Evangelist already. I also have +10 main guiche on my BS and few of SQIs too. I sold off my Fang of garm at the day i was banned to make up some zeny too , which can tell you that i am playing TalonRo right that time and i don't know that thread is happening at all. Buying and selling log should also recorded on the server.

3) The time format for everyone is not the same(i found this out after Boreas mention it and look it up myself by compare the result i saw and the one Boreas gave me) How can you judging by that ?

This is my answers.
If you found any doubt about me just ask directly and i will answer my best fairs-fairs here.

PS. The more suspicious about that thread is it only create 1 thread and nothing more. Does this not bug anyone at all ?

[Boreas]

I figured you were talking about a feature on SMF boards which shows the IP/hostname on the lower right bottom of the topic to admins and the person itself. I later saw that button and that it's a different board software, I didn't make that up, I was simply wrong on that one.

As for the items you mentioned, I just checked them again and found a Mantle with Porcellio Card in your storage for example.

I am not sure what you are trying to achieve with this topic. Nobody except for a handful of RMS people will read it and it won't get you unbanned either. We say that thread is yours, you say it's not. In the end you are banned and that won't change.

I don't get why we all waste our time here arguing, we should just drop it. There is enough evidence that you are guilty

[Azura5437]

I figured you were talking about a feature on SMF boards which shows the IP/hostname on the lower right bottom of the topic to admins and the person itself. I later saw that button and that it's a different board software, I didn't make that up, I was simply wrong on that one.

As for the items you mentioned, I just checked them again and found a Mantle with Porcellio Card in your storage for example.

I am not sure what you are trying to achieve with this topic. Nobody except for a handful of RMS people will read it and it won't get you unbanned either. We say that thread is yours, you say it's not. In the end you are banned and that won't change.

I don't get why we all waste our time here arguing, we should just drop it. There is enough evidence that you are guilty

It is a differently story when you going to judge someone with a mislead proof and admit it afterward that you are wrong. You already make a judgement with a false proof and you can't deny that.

And this does not made for you to unban me or make myself unban either. I just simply answer Xarale , that's it.
Why should i drop it now ? are you afraid of your misjudging to be show on the surface or something ?

Ps. AND if you just check my storage you must saw it that there is a lot of items that haven't been statue up in that thread and why don't you bring it up at all ?

Ps2. Oh and by the god sake... i don't even know how many webboard that is framing me right now. Why don't you tell this to me at all ? I'm screw right now since i don't even know how my information was leaked out that much. I simply knew that it is only that thread you send to me and now you are telling me you found another one on a different board too ? WOW! really ?

[Boreas]

It is a differently story when you going to judge someone with mislead proof and admit it afterward that you are wrong. You already make a judgement with a false proof and you can't deny that.

And this does not made for you to unban me or make myself unban either. I just simply answer Xarale , that's it.
Why should i drop it now ? are you afraid of your misjudging to be show on the surface or something ?

Ps. AND if you just check my storage you must saw it that there is a lot of items that haven't been statue up in that thread and why don't you bring it up at all ?

I am not afraid of anything. The itemlist is matching with only one account on our server and that's yours. No other account has all of those items. The characters are matching as well, just that two may not be mentioned for whatever reason.

Now why are some items and characters missing on the list you ask? Well, the last sentence says that you are offering items worth more than 2000m zeny. Where does it say that you posted a complete list of everything you own? Nowhere, exactly. So how does that prove anything at all. You logged in after a month and made a list of the most valuable items to post up that thread. More details and screenshots can be tossed via PM, I don't think that needs a complete list before.

So your story is that someone, who happens to live close to you and never logged on your account, compiled a semi-complete list of your items to post them on that board in order to get you banned. My story is that you came back after a break and tried to sell your account for money. Now what makes more sense when you read over it? That plus our investigation is already enough to ban you. You do not have to accept that of course, doesn't mean we are wrong tho.

[Azura5437]

I am not afraid of anything. The itemlist is matching with only one account on our server and that's yours. No other account has all of those items. The characters are matching as well, just that two may not be mentioned for whatever reason.

Now why are some items and characters missing on the list you ask? Well, the last sentence says that you are offering items worth more than 2000m zeny. Where does it say that you posted a complete list of everything you own? Nowhere, exactly. So how does that prove anything at all. You logged in after a month and made a list of the most valuable items to post up that thread. More details and screenshots can be tossed via PM, I don't think that needs a complete list before.

So your story is that someone, who happens to live close to you and never logged on your account, compiled a semi-complete list of your items to post them on that board in order to get you banned. My story is that you came back after a break and tried to sell your account for money. Now what makes more sense when you read over it? That plus our investigation is already enough to ban you. You do not have to accept that of course, doesn't mean we are wrong tho.

You just admit that you have a wrong point in your investigate , Boreas. How can a mistake be a true fact ?

The character that even not mention up cannot be excuse by " whatever reason " Boreas. Do you think i know why it is not even mention there ?
I also saw that 2000m statue up and does that mean that i am the exactly one  that write that up too ? If you are going to mention that. Of course it does not prove anything.(or i am missing something and you can please kindly mention it for me)
And this is not the first time i logged in after a month and why don't you bring that up too ? you know this fact clearly by checking up the log.

I did not said that someone in my country do it. If you ask me i am thinking about proxy or something that currently fake up the position right now or it could be someone in my country which i can't possibly know and which is why i ask for a help from you GMs and you always deny to help me.
You just try to force it that it MUST BE ONLY ME.

And yes you are totally wrong since you already admit it that yourselves. If your information about location is wrong it can meant that the person there can be anyone from anywhere , doesn't it ? which also make my conclusion wrong too about location. But it still does not prove that it is exactly me , but it will become even wider.

PS. about No other account has all of those items.
You mention that it is not my exactly full list mention up by the excuse of 2000m worth you statue up. Doesn't this can simply mean that the lists is also a fake ?
This mean the one that start up that thread can have more or less items that mention up there too. Which this fact it simply tell me that item lists does not prove anything at all.

[Boreas]

You are not banned for the location alone, but rather for that matching item and character list. Oo Okay, then we ignore the fact that this topic was created from Sweden.

Your logins btw:

2014-05-21
2014-04-16
2014-03-04

So, uhm, you came here after a month and shortly after that thread was created. Not sure what you mean with "And this is not the first time i logged in after a month and why don't you bring that up too". It was the first time after a month. Still is. Always has been.

[Azura5437]

You are not banned for the location alone, but rather for that matching item and character list. Oo Okay, then we ignore the fact that this topic was created from Sweden.

Your logins btw:

2014-05-21
2014-04-16
2014-03-04

So, uhm, you came here after a month and shortly after that thread was created. Not sure what you mean with "And this is not the first time i logged in after a month and why don't you bring that up too". It was the first time after a month. Still is. Always has been.

Items and characters is not matching at all and you are the one mention it by "whatever reason" you statue up.

Please clarify more of this too. What's is strange about logged in each time a month ?
(and does a thread like that created every each month too ? and you never tell me about it ?)

There is a time i am usually active too shows all of my logged in log by all means. So we can see everything.

[Boreas]

You know what, keep arguing with the people on RMS. I told you why you were banned and we will not unban your accounts.

Let me list the facts again:
- The itemlist is matching.
- The characters are matching.
- Same location as yours.
- Thread was created shortly after your first login after a month of inactivity.
- 'Last Activity' time of the poster was updated right after I posted you the link to the thread and again after I posted you a link to the profile.

Good luck finding another server / game / whatever.

Regards,
Boreas

[Azura5437]

You know what, keep arguing with the people on RMS. I told you why you were banned and we will not unban your accounts.

Let me list the facts again:
- The itemlist is matching.
- The characters are matching.
- Same location as yours.
- Thread was created shortly after your first login after a month of inactivity.
- 'Last Activity' time of the poster was updated right after I posted you the link to the thread and again after I posted you a link to the profile.

Good luck finding another server / game / whatever.

Regards,
Boreas

Now you refuse to give me a full logged in log and tell me to forget about location fact which you have it wrong ?

Let me tell you over again that i did not start this because i want you to unban me. I start this because of your mistake judgement.

- The itemlist is matching.

It is not exactly matching.
After i sit down and think clearly it does match my "OLD" item lists if you are still saying it is matching them , then by all means type all items in my present account here(pictures will be better since it much more solid and if you fake up anything on my ID i can prove it) and we will compare it with the lists that on that thread with everyone here not just you guys , GMs of TalonRo. When i said all i mean exactly all and must be all.
If you can't do that much then don't try to force this " matching " since you have no solid proof.

- The characters are matching.

You said this yourself ::

The characters are matching as well, just that two may not be mentioned for whatever reason.

This mean 2 (or more) is missing and i can statue it. Can you give any good reason(s) behind this fact ?
( High priest and Stalker is a basic class that make your life become much easier in TalonRo , but Champion is of course not.
Again this does not prove anything since most of people in TalonRo have these kind of characters too.
Sniper that is not mention in that thread and i got it is a basic choice to start playing RO on every server too , but well i started with Sage and HP though.
High wizard works like a charm at abbey and it is easy to lvl , of course it does not statue up in that thread but i know i have it and my HW can borrow my HP gear directly which mean it is not hard to create one at all.
1 Blacksmith for vendor , well this is just simple for anyone. I even have a merchant on other ID which i also follow your rules exactly and make it in 1 Forum account
If i remember correctly i have a Prof too(if i haven't change her to other class with TC yet) )

- Same location as yours.

You said ::

I didn't make that up, I was simply wrong on that one.

You just admitted it that your location information was wrong. How can you keep up on something that is totally wrong like this ? and by which proof do you have to statue that it is a same location ?(since you already said that you look on a wrong board)

By Xarale helps about location which prove that the location does not prove exactly anything. But at very least it prove that your location information is wrong " Boreas " and if you bring that up it is still a false information.

- Thread was created shortly after your first login after a month of inactivity.

You are the one that show everyone here about my activities of this years(only) ::

Your logins btw:

2014-05-21
2014-04-16
2014-03-04

I simply ask you what strange with this ? and is a thread like that keep appears after i logging in month after month ?
You did not answer.

For your question i forget to clarify it.
"Not sure what you mean with "And this is not the first time i logged in after a month and why don't you bring that up too". It was the first time after a month. Still is. Always has been."
And yeah what is so weird about it ? since my log in activities is exactly like you show me here. What's about it that is odd ? Does a thread like that keep happening after since ? and i didn't even know it and you guys never told me about it.

What i was saying is isn't that my normally activities that i log in every month ? and isn't fact that i just got banned now is more strange ?

- 'Last Activity' time of the poster was updated right after I posted you the link to the thread and again after I posted you a link to the profile.

And i checked that it is not the same time format for me. Can you judging by a randomly activity time that is not the same for everyone ?

Ps. I'm all alone here and it is really no point in struggle if i am the wrong one , but it doesn't seems that way and if i can log into your server again i'm going to screenshot everything and all the items i have and post it here. So everyone here will know about the item lists fact that it is not "exactly the same" as you mention.

Ps2

I am not afraid of anything. The itemlist is matching with only one account on our server and that's yours. No other account has all of those items. The characters are matching as well, just that two may not be mentioned for whatever reason.

Now why are some items and characters missing on the list you ask? Well, the last sentence says that you are offering items worth more than 2000m zeny. Where does it say that you posted a complete list of everything you own? Nowhere, exactly. So how does that prove anything at all. You logged in after a month and made a list of the most valuable items to post up that thread. More details and screenshots can be tossed via PM, I don't think that needs a complete list before.

So your story is that someone, who happens to live close to you and never logged on your account, compiled a semi-complete list of your items to post them on that board in order to get you banned. My story is that you came back after a break and tried to sell your account for money. Now what makes more sense when you read over it? That plus our investigation is already enough to ban you. You do not have to accept that of course, doesn't mean we are wrong tho.

You said it yourself and you try to blame me with this ? while i try to clarify what your GMs statue up and you just keep avoid it.
How can you judge me by the fact that you mention it later to be " So how does that prove anything at all " ?

Ps3

Boldly said right now

- The itemlist is matching.

Does not prove anything and you(Boreas) said it ._.

- The characters are matching.

I refuse that it is all of my characters , you said it missing because of whatever reason.
Which makes more sense when you read over it ?

- Same location as yours.

Xarale proved it that it does not prove exactly anything and you(Boreas) statued it that you have it wrong there.

- Thread was created shortly after your first login after a month of inactivity.

From my normally activities list that you(Boreas) posted it. It was not strange at all. Its every months like usual and i just got banned now while playing normally like before.

- 'Last Activity' time of the poster was updated right after I posted you the link to the thread and again after I posted you a link to the profile.

Time format is not the same for everyone.

Ps4 I still find it odd that 1 thread haven't move an inch after start up ._.

[Wyvern]

There's too many topics like these on rms. All that does is advertise the server, both in a good or bad way. And either way, your account was involved in real money trading, so it's your own fault for either doing it, sharing accounts with other people, or for not using a secure/hard-to-guess password.

[Azura5437]

There's too many topics like these on rms. All that does is advertise the server, both in a good or bad way. And either way, your account was involved in real money trading, so it's your own fault for either doing it, sharing accounts with other people, or for not using a secure/hard-to-guess password.

Again: no one except you had access to your account. Nobody else has logged into it.

So your point here is invalid.

And i explain that it is to keep my security for when something like this happens so i can ask a help from a GM.

Everything is answered in this thread. Please bother read it before reply.

Ps. I have post some of my information in talon webboard but no , i doubt that information in discuss a playstyle would cause this if you mean it was my fault for not secure my ID.

[Triper]

TBH, that geo location thing isn't really something good enough to be trusted. My location shows tons of times as Oporto, Braga or Guimarães and I live near Lisbon in Portugal. You can check google maps, wikipedia or a normal map of Portugal and see that it's tons of KMs away from where I live.

The only prob here is that there are too many common items between topic and character account and in doubt, GMs/Admins prefer to ban as a security even if sometimes they may be wrong at 100%.

[Wyvern]

So your point here is invalid.

And i explain that it is to keep my security for when something like this happens so i can ask a help from a GM.

Everything is answered in this thread. Please bother read it before reply.

Ps. I have post some of my information in talon webboard but no , i doubt that information in discuss a playstyle would cause this if you mean it was my fault for not secure my ID.

If only you had access to it and you were the only one that logged it, that means you did it.

[Azura5437]

If only you had access to it and you were the only one that logged it, that means you did it.

You did not bother read at all. ( not to mention that you have none proof , everything is from your assumption )
Please don't just comment out of blue. If you want to blame someone you need a solid proof to show that the one you blame really did it.

TBH, that geo location thing isn't really something good enough to be trusted. My location shows tons of times as Oporto, Braga or Guimarães and I live near Lisbon in Portugal. You can check google maps, wikipedia or a normal map of Portugal and see that it's tons of KMs away from where I live.

The only prob here is that there are too many common items between topic and character account and in doubt, GMs/Admins prefer to ban as a security even if sometimes they may be wrong at 100%.

About location , what i tried to point out is this.

This is what Boreas said as he made his judgement. So this shows that the GMs use a wrong information about location to make a judgement.


@Xalare and @Triper you said that the location information is not something that can be trusted. I didn't say that this totally help me about my location but i try to mention what GMs team have it wrong here before they banned me.

Afterward Boreas mention that they have it wrong (after banned me) and from Xalare information the location is not accurate plus with Triper , the reply you just add up tell me that location can be confusing since it shows a totally different position.

So , now the only fact they used to banned me and it is kinda solid to use as a proof is

The only prob here is that there are too many common items between topic and character account and in doubt, GMs/Admins prefer to ban as a security even if sometimes they may be wrong at 100%.

As i already explained , GMs choose to show what is match the lists but not choose to show everything that is currently presents on my present ID. Let me statue it again.

What is not on the lists , totally off the lists and Talon GMs didn't mention it here.(and they clearly know that i have it)

3x Sg Saber
Drake Card affixed in Dex Rod
Enhanced Formal suit free slot
Golden dragon costume
My PCB is customed from a normal one
My +4 Mantle [Porcellio card] is enhanced with +Flee status which also different from than normal one
My platinum shield is +5 and that thread mention it was +4
I don't have "Clip creamy" but in fact it is "Ring creamy" that i have

And more that is not even mentioned here.

I admit that it does looks familiar to my "OLD" item lists but if we compare with my present lists many things is off.(not just mention up some things)
When i tried to use the same kind of evidence to prove my guilty as GMs did(use item lists as a proof) Boreas simply ignore it by this fact i quoted under. ( and i can use it too. To ask back "how does item lists prove anything at all ?" if high GM mention it himself that it does not prove anything.)

Now why are some items and characters missing on the list you ask? Well, the last sentence says that you are offering items worth more than 2000m zeny. Where does it say that you posted a complete list of everything you own? Nowhere, exactly. So how does that prove anything at all.

This tell me that same kind of evidence does not work the same. They judged by how they like and others opinions are always invalid.

Ps. @Triper I can understand about ban as a security , but not banned without a probably investigation and none solid evidence to show me.
In the server GMs words/judgement is of course absolute , but not here where everyone is equally.

Ps.2 About characters , Boreas said that it is by "whatever reason" fact which does not explained anything.

I'd says because i haven't play my HW , Prof and Sniper for a long time so no ones know about them and can't mention it up. The only classes that mention up is the one i usually playing.