Rebirth RO legalizing cyber prostitution | Content argued not suitable to kids

[Lenaia]

This is no different than the pornography websites that employ live women behind webcams.

We are taking precautions to make sure that no one under the age of 18 is sending/receiving photographs or any illegal content.

[Wolfeh]

Oh, whoops, I thought you meant you were earning credits to pay for the bills. Then why not try getting a better job, or doing a little job on the side (other than selling yourself) like a part time job, maybe cut costs so you can pay for your hobby, etc. There are far better things that adults do to afford the things that they want.

The thing is though, those are porn sites, not Ragnarok Online. Huge difference. If I want to see that, I go there. Seeing it on Rebirth RO is disturbing. You know what I would find far less offensive? You being an artist and selling hentai drawings/artistic nudes. Do that plx.

[Lenaia]

Work is hard and takes hours and this is easy and takes seconds lol.

[RebirthOfficial]

Oh, whoops, I thought you meant you were earning credits to pay for the bills. Then why not try getting a better job, or doing a little job on the side (other than selling yourself) like a part time job, maybe cut costs so you can pay for your hobby, etc. There are far better things that adults do to afford the things that they want.

The thing is though, those are porn sites, not Ragnarok Online. Huge difference. If I want to see that, I go there. Seeing it on Rebirth RO is disturbing. You know what I would find far less offensive? You being an artist and selling hentai drawings/artistic nudes. Do that plx.

While I'm not against her doing these things, it's up to her how she earns her money (or credits, or whatever). Just because it doesn't align with your moral views doesn't mean she's "wrong" it just means she sees the world differently. Sex is seen as something "private" and "special" by many, but not everyone sees it this way and not everyone has to see things the same way. Diversity is a part of being human. Everyone is different. You need to learn to respect others life choices.

[eternalseph]

The day I respect a whore is the day I die, they want to be disrespected *throws money* DANCE

Also it does mean she is wrong, in the eyes of Wolfeh, just like she is wrong in my eyes, and right in yours and hers. Think thats the purpose of morality after all, trying to decide what is right what is wrong after all. Because that is a very dangerous argument you present, one can easily use it to say the nazi weren't wrong, or stalin or pol pot.

How can one respect a persons life choice if that person has no respect for ones own body?

[RebirthOfficial]

The day I respect a whore is the day I die, they want to be disrespected *throws money* DANCE

Also it does mean she is wrong, in the eyes of Wolfeh, just like she is wrong in my eyes, and right in yours and hers. Think thats the purpose of morality after all, trying to decide what is right what is wrong after all. Because that is a very dangerous argument you present, one can easily use it to say the nazi weren't wrong, or stalin or pol pot.

How can one respect a persons life choice if that person has no respect for ones own body?

There's quite a difference between genocide (which obviously affects others) and prostitution / pornography (which is between consenting adults). You are free to think people are wrong for certain actions, I'm not saying you need to agree. I'm saying you can see something as wrong without trying to push your views on others. I think plenty of views are wrong, but since they don't affect me, I don't try to change people. If someone else wants to do something and no one is being hurt, then that's their business. You think it's wrong, that's your opinion. She things it's right, that's her opinion. Just because you think it's wrong doesn't make your opinion more valid than hers. It doesn't mean she's "bad", it just means you don't agree.

[Lenaia]

"How can one respect a persons life choice if that person has no respect for ones own body?"

Again, our views here differ. I am respecting my body by taking care of it and keeping it healthy. I don't see how letting other people look at it is disrespectful to it. Sharing it is not doing it any harm.

[eternalseph]

Not trying to force my opinion really, im not harrassing her, im keeping my self to this topic, which is a voluntary thing no one has to join, I can agree with your opinion I cannot force my opinion on her, I am simply stating my distaste for the servers actions.
Also it hard to say if no one is being hurt, you would need a non-baised study and years of data to back up that claim, some would claim it does hurt people. Some would claim it doesn't.


Oh there is a difference I would agree, i'm just saying your argument was a  one that could be used to defend both thus not all that good.
Also one can say this view does affect me because I play on the server, and thus by openly allowing it, it affects the community and thus the play environment of the game. So to say it doesn't affect people is wrong, it like opening a casino and trying to say that doesn't increase crime when there are papers saying it does.

Is she bad no, I honestly don't give two pennies about her, but I love to ramble and so I shall


I simply do not think this was the best decision for the server and community.
and to Lenaia of course our views differ I wouldn't be here If I agreed. 

But to shed light on what I believe
I see the body almost like they paint it in the bible, it is the temple, it is ourselves, our highest and most prized possession, by selling it, you are saying other people have a right to your body, which to me is a immoral, no one does in my mind.


Also I apologize for poor grammar and organization I am just doing stream of though and kind of just spewing stuff atm.

[Innomite]

I, personally, have no issue with her selling her body to obtain in-game currency. Hell I'd do the same if my case was similar and if girls liked **** (no pun intended).

However, the issue I have with this is, that Ragnarok is a world-wide game and everyone plays it, that includes people ranging from 12 to even 60 years (yes, a friend of mine told me once that his dad played in the same server we we're playing at with us). This means that underage kids that play at RebirthRO can read the thread and either they or their parents can get offended and start a viral s*** war all over the internet. I can already imagine Facebook or Twitter being all like "RAGNAROK ONLINE: A +18 GAME, RATED M FOR ADULT" or some s*** like that.

Morally, it is no real issue because you can do whatever you want with your body. In my country, offering sexual services for money is not illegal as long as you're aware of the consequences of such. Because you're using your own body, not the OP's, not the butthurts' nor mine, but yours and only yours. No one is being affected by what you do, except that their double-moral is getting offended because hey it's a game.

We all watch porn. I do. Lenaia does. RebirthOfficial does. Triper does. EVERYONE DOES. And yet we see 18 year old girls that get employed on webcamsex pages for money. But do we complain about that? No.

[Remmi]

The game isn't exactly the right platform to do so. Just my opinion on the matter.
RebirthRO should put up a R18+ rating on their site, if they are to allow these sort of transactions.

[eternalseph]

I can agree with the middle bit, nor do I have have an issue for say. However is it moral is up to debate, and yes yes we do, but I would complain about the webcamsex sites, I have no problem watching for free, paying is a lil silly I still find what they do disrespectful but at least it hot and not on my ro server.

[yC]

Sorry, your review is breaking the review guidelines so I have to remove it.

I am a bit scared where this is going.  Please people it's just a game, enjoy the game don't put your life into it.

[RebirthOfficial]

Just putting this out there:


We've removed the thread, however, providing the service for credits is still allowed. We've only removed the ability to openly discuss it on the forums and main chat. I hope this is middle ground everyone is ok with.

[Savvy Ink]

Yet its still being advertised in the public openness of raidcall? ew.

[RebirthOfficial]

The raidcall isn't actually "official", it's ran by a random GM.