OnceRO Logic

[Kris]

So there was this 'Marketing Video Contest' on OnceRO
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After it's deadline the winners were posted by GM Ara Dandy (Head GM). She is the same GM who made a post almost 2 weeks ago that she was quitting the server.

Anyway, after the winners were announced;

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I made a comment on the same thread and stated "I knew Dicey would win". My comment quickly gets deleted, multiple times and then I get a threatening message from the Head GM and this is what it looked like;

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I literally haven't broken any server related rule when I stated that I was sure Dicey would be the winner of this event.

ohh btw for those of you who are wondering what Legacy weapons are, they are custom weapons that were introduced to "balance" other classes.Oh and Dicey also happens to be GM Ara Dandy's IRL boyfriend.

Apparently speaking your mind (without breaking any server rules) is considering being "toxic" and I'm probably going to be banned after this post because onceRO is not a strong supporter of negative rms reviews :^)

[DaifukuDesigns]

Did this person 'Dicey' submit a video to the contest?
Did anyone else submit a video to the contest? (Did you?)
I think before anyone here is able to judge if this person won fairly there should be some links to the videos that were submitted to the contest.
I know that people are scared easily when a GM's/Admins friend/family is playing on the same server, but that does not instantly mean that there is a reason to be scared.

I don't want to judge you Kris, I don't know you in person but I already heard and saw that you're not quite the nicest player around and you like to provoke. I've met you on a server or two and saw you talking to people and showing off that you're the best player and flaming was involved aswell.
So yeah, the question to me is currently - if that is just a rant post because you are bored/have personal problems with this GM and her Boyfriend or if you are telling the truth.

Either way, providing a list of peoples that took part in the contest and their work would be nice. I would like to see if Dicey had a chance to win this contest to begin with.


Oh, and I don't want to start a war here, I just stated my opinion and thoughts on this. Don't take it to personal.
Cheers.

[Kris]

Did this person 'Dicey' submit a video to the contest?
Did anyone else submit a video to the contest? (Did you?)
I think before anyone here is able to judge if this person won fairly there should be some links to the videos that were submitted to the contest.
I know that people are scared easily when a GM's/Admins friend/family is playing on the same server, but that does not instantly mean that there is a reason to be scared.

I don't want to judge you Kris, I don't know you in person but I already heard and saw that you're not quite the nicest player around and you like to provoke. I've met you on a server or two and saw you talking to people and showing off that you're the best player and flaming was involved aswell.
So yeah, the question to me is currently - if that is just a rant post because you are bored/have personal problems with this GM and her Boyfriend or if you are telling the truth.

Either way, providing a list of peoples that took part in the contest and their work would be nice. I would like to see if Dicey had a chance to win this contest to begin with.


Oh, and I don't want to start a war here, I just stated my opinion and thoughts on this. Don't take it to personal.
Cheers.

Lmao, it's all good fam. I agree that I'm not quite the nicest player around and although I don't know you, I can assure you that you aren't either. You can just visit their forums to watch the videos since a couple people took part in the event and it'll be time consuming for me to embed each link out here.

In any event, it's not right for anyone to get banned for saying something like "I knew Dicey was going to win". It's just a statement lmao. I didn't break any forum or in game rule and didn't use any derogatory terms or flames. You can notice how GM Ara Dandy is highly insecure about her own event because she thought it will make other people realise what really went down here.

She is also the same GM who made sure my previous entry didn't win (Even though my post was the most liked one by the end of the event). I can understand that the most liked entry isn't always the #1 winner but at least I should have been on the top 3 lmao. Just goes to show she's a strong supporter of favouritism.

Oh and she officially also quit her job as GM, 2 weeks ago. She made a forum topic about that as well. She shouldn't still be having in game/forum powers lmao.

[Kris]

I don't know what's funnier, she bad mouthing the admin (Leaf) or thinking that she could become a GM on DOM lawl

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PS: S/O my boy amit aka C@$$

[Prism~]

One of the many reasons I don't play this server is the GMs, especially the Admin. I keep up with the server and constantly see topics being locked because they start "controversy", so, I'm not surprised by this at all. Also, don't even get me started on the Legacy weapons. They are completely unnecessary in my opinion, when there are BG Weapons (not including Glorious items.) I fail to see the "balance".



tl;dr I am not surprised.

[Minabe]

That's the main reason i only play real pservers (no donations allowed), GM's can't put their hands off the game. They always give it away so easily too, like giving things to their rl friends then erasing posts in forum when called out.

[final form]

Corruption is not good! It benefits people in an unfair way!
Maybe a little "Justice Crash" would bring law and order back to the server.

[Yuzo]

In this day and age, when players are at a premium, I can't believe there are still staff and admin out there allowing arrogance and complacency. smh

[Kris]

One of the many reasons I don't play this server is the GMs, especially the Admin. I keep up with the server and constantly see topics being locked because they start "controversy", so, I'm not surprised by this at all. Also, don't even get me started on the Legacy weapons. They are completely unnecessary in my opinion, when there are BG Weapons (not including Glorious items.) I fail to see the "balance".



tl;dr I am not surprised.

Yo this is so true. Even though the admin might try hard from time to time, it's unfortunate that he always ends up appointing sheer inexperienced people to fill in positions such as Head GM. Each time a GM cannot answer a question or cannot provide hard proof, like you rightly said, they just lock the topic.

Don't get me started on the Legacy weapons which make Glorious weapons look like a joke.

[AraDandy]

I am only going to reply to this topic one time. Because it is NOT fair that someone (an online stranger) who I've been nice to, puts me on blast in public forums. Also to those who've never taken the time of day to get to know me or the other server GMs, please hold on to your opinions before judging so quick based on a few unkind, harsh words by a well-known flaming troll. You're all intelligent individuals capable of reasonable investigative measures. Before piling all the bad negativity on me or other GMs who you've never spent time with, please do your own research and/or talk to us individually.

First off all, Kris. I am disappointed you took to public forums instead of approaching me to discuss this. Skype conversations are for private chat on a personal level, and just posting it outright on the forums is simply...embarrassing. It's the equivalent of talking privately to a friend, and you turn around and announce it to the whole school. Of course, I'm gonna say things that are on my mind and be silly. But that was my mistake in thinking you would not post what we say AND you selectively post as well. I'm not comfortable with that, but you did it regardless without that thought. Would anyone feel comfortable with that? Put yourself in my shoes. I even sent you a message on Skype about your multiple warnings:

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I will address the so-called false "favoritism" later.

Secondly, for OnceRO forums, we make sure it's a positive, conducive environment. Will everyone agree with our methods? No. But the good intentions are there. Threads/forums that provoke cyberbullying, harassment, etc. will be hidden, deleted, OR addressed. I've had my fair share of that for the past year as a GM, and it is not easy to address it. Kris, you've had a GREAT fair share of bullying and trolling other players-- a LONG history of posting flaming/trolling things. If anyone simply even searches "OnceRO" on RMS forums, they'd see that you have some heavy, negative bias already. Now you're going after me? How is one to not be hurt and take this personally?
Do you remember your own profile? Perhaps try looking at your posts a second time to see what I mean: http://www.once-ro.com/forums/index.php?/user/1937-kris%E2%84%A2/
The forums were filled with trolling, partially thanks to you Kris. And you know it.

Third, if you read our personal private Skype chats carefully, I was stating things that I was wondering and uncertain about. Unlike you Kris, I don't blatantly badmouth someone (like here! . Chats about other server are just that-- chats. I already stated why I was too busy for RO in general http://www.once-ro.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3976-gm-ara-dandy-head-gm-resignation-482016/
but you seem to pick very carefully anything embarrassing to air out online. I think my farewell speech was quite touching!

I didn't apply for DOM or other servers and since you have such an ample amount of free time, you can ask the other server admins around to confirm it.  I am not related to anyone on the GM team or know them in real life, but sorry for your opinion about my work and experience. I did my best during my time on the server there with what I had. Without knowing all the facts and details or even simply ASKING me about it, once again, you jump to conclusions to bad mouth me in public Do people see a pattern here?

Lastly, The Cosplay Screenshot Contest that Kris and other players lost was in JANUARY 2016. Man you have GOT TO LET GO! LOL I'm sorry we could not choose everyone to win but no where does the forum thread say that it was a popular contest event. Original thread here: http://www.once-ro.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3421-closed-cosplay-screenshot-contest-2/.
For every event we throw, the whole GM team judges carefully based on a set of criteria such as creativity, aesthetics, skill, etc. This was the last thing I was in charge of concluding. And as I have explained to you here...in our Marketing Video Contest:

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Apologies for those who are new and see my witty snappiness, trust me, Kris has been whining about not winning for months but others did not win as well. I even encouraged you to post your entry video as everyone has a winning chance but your video was purely trolling: http://www.once-ro.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3907-closed-marketing-video-contest-special/page-2

Yes Dicey is my IRL boyfriend and he happens to play RO too. But aforementioned a 1000x, I did not choose the winners dictatorship-style. AND if you watch his video, it's pretty awesome and unique as well! If the winners videos were all crap, then you can raise an eyebrow. But to disregard Dicey's efforts without watching it unbiased is a disrespectful disservice to him and his efforts AND to the other winners who've worked so hard on these videos. Prizes are not handed out randomly or willy-nilly, and I challenge you to find proof of MY bias anywhere cause you will not find any. I actually have proof that the contest is NOT biased, while you just cry on RMS about injustice without proof. It's in the GM chat and like any sane rational person, I would rather not disclose our GM chats to the public viewing. But my history of reasonable explanations on the forums should serve as some solace.

After this LONG post, if you are still stubborn and set in your ways of thinking, then there is simply nothing I can do to move a dying tree that has been so deeply rooted and hardened by malice and hostility. Kris, you are putting me on blast in public forums and I will defend myself. I can defend myself without backing down because you know you're at fault-- long history of trolling, flaming, non-contributory presence in forums probably led to your forum ban, which I did not do.

I am not comfortable with this cyberbullying online and would ask you civilly to not engage or keep this thread. It's such a small, petty issue in the bigger picture of life. Yes it upsets me and would rather you not post this to blast me in public cause of your own bad moods. But you are entitled to your feelings and opinions. However I whole-heartedly believe there is a right way and wrong way to do it. And to cry victim while cyberbullying and badmouthing me online? How does that make you any better than the IRL bullies?

If you are angry at the admin and server, then direct that anger in the right direction. I think your contempt with me and my work very thinly veils your dissatisfaction with OnceRO and its admin. (Just search for OnceRO in RMS forums and Kris will pop up everywhere!)
Godspeed for your soul and to the RO community. Choose the good, caring positive light and not toxic flaming that has festered in the RO community for over a decade. Thank you for reading and have a wonderful day online and IRL.

[Kris]

For someone who's playing this game off/on for 10+ years, it's my job to make sure that no decent server ever makes the mistake of hiring you or your boyfriend.
It's not new that the GMs on Once conspire amongst each other lmao

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*Leaf is the main admin btw*

To anyone who thinks I've written anything but the truth about Ara or Once, I encourage you to contact anyone who's currently active on their forums or in game for a better perspective!

oh I forgot to give you a 10/10 for trying Dandy 

[Yuzo]

Good, good. Nothing like good drama. GOOOOOD (filling word  count)

[Kris]

Unlike you Kris, I don't blatantly badmouth someone (like here! .

nice joke fam

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[fcktehname]

I made a comment on the same thread and stated "I knew Dicey would win". My comment quickly gets deleted, multiple times and then I get a threatening message from the Head GM and this is what it looked like;

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I'm on noone's side but Ara, first of all, this ain't flaming, also, bias or not, a gm doesn't ban a player for accusing the gm of helping a player, a gm gets that a lot, it's a part of having power.

I've played on this server my self, the gms here cannot handle a person's opinion. the moment they feel threatened, (not actually threatened), they lock the thread.

[AraDandy]

Thanks for your kind words before, Kris. Even though you said you'd continue to bully me in the future, humorous irony. I am going to choose to remember you and other players' by kind words and good fun times. I understand if you are angry, and it's easy to lash out online. But thank you regardless. Best wishes in your future endeavors as well. Catch you on the flipside!

http://www.once-ro.com/forums/index.php?/topic/3977-everyones-goodbye-ara-post/

[Kensei]

Nothing's better than butting in a drama thread after long hiatus, in a quiet and cold night.

Anyway, I have read mostly Kris and AraDandy's posts and here's what I have to say.

Kris :

1. Yes judging from your posts you're not the nicest person around, but I'd suggest to make your report slightly more formal with less slang/bad words. That way people here would take it more seriously.

2. Second, I have to agree that Skype chats are considered private matter, so I don't think it should be shared unless it's your trump card. And in no way I'd take Skype chat "an official statement"

3. I don't think you marking yourself "good" is also a good move. Everyone has their own criteria and if you've been on the server for quite some time, you should know their tastes and make your entry revolves around it so they'll like it.

4. Your video entry doesn't seem "marketing" enough compared to others though, but I'll put more comments below.

Ara Dandy :

1. You made your official resignation post at April 8 and ends at April 15. By right, you should NOT vote as you already informed your resignation before. And yes, if you would like to be taken seriously, you should had all your powers stripped because you said you're resigning.

2. Apparently you aren't clean either. The proof that some random statement triggered you does mean you are hiding something. In this part, I'd have to slightly agree that if name calling triggered you, there's something related in between you and the mentioned name.

3. Kris did a clean job exposing you badmouthing. The question is, I don't know if you did that on some isolated places with your buddies only (instead of doing it publicly) as a joke, or was it a Broadcast? Kris' screenshot was definitely not showing the latest chat happening, but I don't see you on the screen as well (probable Broadcast).

4. And as said by someone here, it is also part of GM to clear out misunderstandings. If Kris' statement seemed somehow provocative to you, do a better job of clearing out the statement instead of deleting. If you want me to remove this point, show me Kris' post and what did you do to clear this up.

5. Lastly, are you going to post every of Kris' forum post here? I know that sometimes it's needed for proof but do not overdo it. If not, it's just like what you don't like, "cyberbullying". And based on your second goodbye thread, you both were flaunting personal attack that ended up with Kris posting his troll goodbye post. In no way this is related to the case, it's simply your personal matter with Kris.

Neutral :

1. I don't think Kris' statement ("I knew Dicey would win") is much of a provocation. It's much more to a neutral statement. Depending on how you take it, of course. But as a neutral side, yes, I do not see how it is a provocation. If someone is triggered by it then that person surely is hiding something.

2. Why would you people assume each others' IRL identity / relationship. That is pretty much adding more bias and does not solve anything. Unless you have proof like pics or statement or anything that is close to "official". Ara Dandy sure said herself that Dicey is her BF but refer back to above statement, I don't think ANY statement should be taken seriously unless there's a solid proof.

Why? Because at this moment everyone should understand that Internet is all about lies.

3. I don't know why Ara rather pointed to "Cosplay Contest", but from Kris' OP, he was referring to the "Marketing Video Contest".

4. Talking about Kris' entry video, I'd put my comment here because I don't want to mix the content with the case. But what's it about again. The title was "Legacy Bow Lel" and I don't know what are you trying to say in it. Was it about the damage? I wouldn't cry over that because a yoloing Biochem doesn't mean god mode even though you have AHK + Autopot + all needed stuffs/gears/buffs.

For Kris, I don't think I'd need to ask anything first to see whether he's the right one or not, but I'd like you to explain regarding the PvP Room Screenshot where I see Surtr talked to you, what is it about and how is it related to the case?

For Ara, don't you think you need to post the GM chat about the judging process, and the forum log on who banned Kris and the reason (and if you do not mind, the whole discussion with other GMs before banning Kris). I understand that it is confidential but that should prove something from your side instead of throwing proof-less words to each other.

This case could go for a long run up to either of you. You want to close it or keep it going.

Cheers.

[Kris]

4. Talking about Kris' entry video, I'd put my comment here because I don't want to mix the content with the case. But what's it about again. The title was "Legacy Bow Lel" and I don't know what are you trying to say in it. Was it about the damage? I wouldn't cry over that because a yoloing Biochem doesn't mean god mode even though you have AHK + Autopot + all needed stuffs/gears/buffs.

For Kris, I don't think I'd need to ask anything first to see whether he's the right one or not, but I'd like you to explain regarding the PvP Room Screenshot where I see Surtr talked to you, what is it about and how is it related to the case?

I didn't have a real entry like they mentioned before, it was this video I made long ago to show people how 'balanced' the legacy weapons were. Instead of flaunting fake things that aren't frequent on the server, I just posted a realistic video of how imbalanced one of the legacy weapons were. I could have made more videos to showcase each of these legacy weapons but that's time consuming tbh. I didn't bother with making a real entry for the marketing video simply because I knew that I had zilch chances of winning anything, considering the colossal amount of favouritism on the server.

For the second part, if you read Ara's Ragnarok Online thesis on the previous page, somewhere down the irrational extended essay, she mentions that GMs don't conspire amongst themselves but that's not true because it's evident (via the screenshot) that GM Leaf(admin) asked his fellow staff members to -1 suggestions that were either hard to implement or just simply didn't want to implement them (even though majority of the people wanted to see them implemented.

Once again, I openly invite any one of you to contact any active member (non-staff) to get a more realistic approach about the server.

[Kris]

I am only going to reply to this topic one time.

Just realised that even the first line of your extended essay was lies. 

[Hakk]

Not taking sides, but since you already resigned on April 8, that means you're no longer part of the GM Team and you shouldn't vote for the contest. As Kensei said, you should had all your powers stripped because you said you're resigning. 

[Yuzo]

Not taking sides, but since you already resigned on April 8, that means you're no longer part of the GM Team and you shouldn't vote for the contest. As Kensei said, you should had all your powers stripped because you said you're resigning. 

Honestly its like that whole "I'm quitting, moving servers, leaving and never coming back, here are my items" phase 90% of players have gone through, only to be playing a few months later.
I remember on an old server, one person in particular had 7 goodbye threads stating "this is it" and "my time has come".


Sounds like this GM wanted to leave, but also wanted the option of coming back. Why not say "I'm laying off my duties. I will still retain my role in a free manner - basically I'll show up whenever"? Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe this person has autism. We know how the minds of people too invested in a game work.

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[Kris]

GM Ara Dandy will never quit OnceRO simply because no other decent server will hire her. Not only does she lack the ability to be transparent but also the fact that she lacks a lot of RO knowledge. If you guys go over onceRO forums, you will notice that most of the server side problems / in game problems are dealt or answered by experienced players, like myself. I don't mean for that to come out as a brag but it's kind of unfortunate for an admin who's barely online (Leaf) to hire a head GM(Ara Dandy) who's knowledge about RO is so paltry.

She made her resignation post on forums almost a month ago because apparently even she didn't like the admin and said that she found certain shady information about him, which she doesn't want to disclose to me. In reality, she just wanted people to write good posts so that her online feelings and sentiments would get a boost. She even asked me a couple times on skype to write something on her farewell post, which she proudly quoted on the previous page.

There's really not much anyone could do apart from making sure that nobody else hire's her or her boyfriend.

[Hakk]

Honestly its like that whole "I'm quitting, moving servers, leaving and never coming back, here are my items" phase 90% of players have gone through, only to be playing a few months later.
I remember on an old server, one person in particular had 7 goodbye threads stating "this is it" and "my time has come".


Sounds like this GM wanted to leave, but also wanted the option of coming back. Why not say "I'm laying off my duties. I will still retain my role in a free manner - basically I'll show up whenever"? Your guess is as good as mine. Maybe this person has autism. We know how the minds of people too invested in a game work.

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Yeah I get what you mean. Should I be proud as I never do that whenever I'm leaving a server? Personally, if I'm leaving a server, I just leave, that's it, no emo goodbye thread or whatever. 

[Prism~]

For the second part, if you read Ara's Ragnarok Online thesis on the previous page, somewhere down the irrational extended essay, she mentions that GMs don't conspire amongst themselves but that's not true because it's evident (via the screenshot) that GM Leaf(admin) asked his fellow staff members to -1 suggestions that were either hard to implement or just simply didn't want to implement them (even though majority of the people wanted to see them implemented.

This is truly sad. Don't open a server if you don't want to put the work in that it takes. I've noticed a lot of laziness and closed mindedness to their suggestion answering/implementation. Such a shame to see.

[Kris]

cancerous staff smh

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[V3 THE AHK GOD]

Didn't know the server was alive, Staff is horrid on there lol. Read the part about ARA saying she could join DOM as a staff, glad I got to read this, made me laugh alot. The stuff said about ARA on skype group convo's / FB groups would stop her from GMing on any server ever honestly..My opinion is this about the server itself, It WAS decent at one point. ARA cannot take criticism period, practically rage banned 5 guilds along with leaf because of their feelings being hurt, IF this server is alive I see it being barely on its last legs

[Prism~]

Didn't know the server was alive, Staff is horrid on there lol. Read the part about ARA saying she could join DOM as a staff, glad I got to read this, made me laugh alot. The stuff said about ARA on skype group convo's / FB groups would stop her from GMing on any server ever honestly..My opinion is this about the server itself, It WAS decent at one point. ARA cannot take criticism period, practically rage banned 5 guilds along with leaf because of their feelings being hurt, IF this server is alive I see it being barely on its last legs

From what I've noticed it's dying off slowly. It's mostly filled with vendors and people who have been playing there for a long time who don't wanna start over due to having items and zeny. But with new servers coming out, I'm seeing the population slowly die out and some of the high-end players moving out. I once thought it was going to be a promising server and it was a decent server as well like you said but the toxicity of the staff, and the lack of caring for the server is leading them over the cliff it looks like...

[Kris]

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[MeowMeow]

Honestly, someone needed to say something either from the GM team or an outside player. If someone had stated that they felt that Ara Dandy, due to her relationship w/ one of the responders of the event, may pose an unjust verdict, then she should've willingly excluded herself from the voting. However most GMs don't like to admit they can create bias conclusions and always refuse to back out from voting. It's more admirable if you admit your mistakes, since no one is perfect. I've yet to see a forums event where you actually get to see which GM voted for what/who's entry and for what reason that GM voted. It could help clear player drama.

This is an old corrupt Aeva event where they purposely choose lame entries so they wouldn't have to pick mine :>
http://board.aeva-ro.com/index.php?/topic/1508-forum-event-screenshotsrainbowsjudging-results-soon/
Ofc the staff hated me, but still that is bias. A player even stated that the winning entries weren't even good.
In any cause, no point in staying on a server where your voice is shut out
Soon enough, there won't be anyone left to silence

[wingsabre]

hi lol I only got to post now, and yea @kris hello <3 thanks btw really. uhm yea, like someone else said it's mostly the people who have been playing from the start, the ones that ""pioneered" the server, the players are nice i'll commend them for that but, nothing is really new in the server's quite boring as you progress, very repetitive too... lol and, yea there's way more vendors and the number of players seem to not match with the one you see in-game.

[Kris]

GM Ara Dumbdy needs to be inducted into tha RMS hall of shame 

[yC]

Too much bumps on this topic without actual new content (I had to delete a few everyday for the last few days), that means what wish to be said should have been included already.  I'll lock this here.