NovaRO: The reason to keep your GitHub private

[G3nix]

Why would you defame a server for using publicly available source code

I don't think you understand what defaming means. Let me help you. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/defamation See in order to commit defamation my accusations need to be false. Everything I've said is true. You can keep being a keyboard warrior though. I think it's pretty endearing.

I am under the impression that you and your team are a bunch of pretentious amateurs.

My goodness you certainly hate us for no reason. Maybe you should make your own rant and rave post about us if you feel that strongly. I would like to thank you for calling us amateurs though, because if we are amateurs then what does that make the people that steal from us? Sick burn on NovaRO Bue. Glad you're on our side.

No one can this stupid.

[NovaRagnarok]

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//===== eAthena Script =======================================
//= OnLogin AtCommand Settings
//===== By ===================================================
//= llchrisll
//===== Version ==============================================
//= 1.1
//===== Compatible With ======================================
//= Every eAthena Version
//===== Description ==========================================
//= This script will be executing AtCommands on Login,
//= depending on what you have put.
//===== Comments =============================================
//= [1.1] Fixed Main Chat command, added @showexp to options. [Kyo]
//============================================================
That NPC written by  llchrisll? You said Kyo wrote it all?

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//===== rAthena Script =======================================
//= Eden Group Quests - Mission [100 - 110]
//===== By: ==================================================
//= Chilly
//===== Current Version: =====================================
//= 1.0
//===== Compatible With: =====================================
//= rAthena Project
//===== Description: =========================================
//= Repeatable Quests for Players between Base level 100 - 110.
//===== Additional Comments: =================================
//= 1.0 First Version. Built upon Chilly's "Eden Group Quests - Mission [90-99]" v1.3 [Poutine]
//= 1.1 Revamped the script to add a bit of flexibility in mob counts and quest type. [Poutine]
//============================================================
And these quest boards that were "built upon" our friend Chilly's boards?

If you logged on for any other reason than to scare my players you would have noticed all of the NPCs, save for perhaps the login commands one, have received quite a few changes.
Why re-invent the wheel? We also never "claimed to develop their own server and pull from rAthena only." You assumed that. All of your precious scripts are credited in the comments, but you can't see that because my git isn't public.

I appreciate the advertisement though.

[G3nix]

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//===== eAthena Script =======================================
//= OnLogin AtCommand Settings
//===== By ===================================================
//= llchrisll
//===== Version ==============================================
//= 1.1
//===== Compatible With ======================================
//= Every eAthena Version
//===== Description ==========================================
//= This script will be executing AtCommands on Login,
//= depending on what you have put.
//===== Comments =============================================
//= [1.1] Fixed Main Chat command, added @showexp to options. [Kyo]
//============================================================
That NPC written by  llchrisll? You said Kyo wrote it all?

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//===== rAthena Script =======================================
//= Eden Group Quests - Mission [100 - 110]
//===== By: ==================================================
//= Chilly
//===== Current Version: =====================================
//= 1.0
//===== Compatible With: =====================================
//= rAthena Project
//===== Description: =========================================
//= Repeatable Quests for Players between Base level 100 - 110.
//===== Additional Comments: =================================
//= 1.0 First Version. Built upon Chilly's "Eden Group Quests - Mission [90-99]" v1.3 [Poutine]
//= 1.1 Revamped the script to add a bit of flexibility in mob counts and quest type. [Poutine]
//============================================================
And these quest boards that were "built upon" our friend Chilly's boards?

The scripts were posted to the public on rAthena for the intention of them being used by servers and modified. Our developers did that and expanded on them making them better. In the case of the eden quest boards Poutine created all of the 100 and up quests for our server while using Chilly's work as a reference. His name is credited on our git as shown in public. Which is how you credit someone. Not in private.

All of your precious scripts are credited in the comments, but you can't see that because my git isn't public.

I'm glad you guys are finally admitting to taking our work though. It's nice to not be able to be accused of defamation anymore. It sucks that your server is run by such talent-less people but hey, maybe it will work out for you. I see some communities have already started shunning you for your shadiness kek. I'd love to know why you decided to steal our GM mobs though. You should probably change the way they look since they were designed to look like the GMs of our server, just a heads up. Good luck with your server.

[dontknowright]

Both sides of this argument fit each other like a fist fits an eye.

Very few servers are original. Copying is completely rampant. Case in point that I just saw: http://forum.ratemyserver.net/low-rates/truero-%28renewal%29/ being copied by http://forum.ratemyserver.net/low-rates/tinyro-%28renewal%29-88x88x3x-new-server-2014-10-31-%280players%29

Servers don't even bother hiding it anymore. GRF stealing left and right, server names, descriptions, scripts, custom mobs, custom maps, etc. I've made my share of custom sprites, and I am amazed by how far they have gotten even though they were made for a single private server.


Remember the good old days when everyone shared everything, and enjoyed doing so?

[Tande]

Remember the good old days when everyone shared everything, and enjoyed doing so?

Before every server 'relied' on 'donations' to their cash shops and before Usako shat a literal brick over official servers using some custom maps/sprites from the community.  What was that forum that she ran that was for sharing sprites/maps even called again? 

Though 'custom' scripts especially should be fairly open considering what license rAthena/eAthena runs with.  Though no one these days even takes the time to read licenses.

[Bue]

Remember the good old days when everyone shared everything, and enjoyed doing so?

There are still plenty of open source code, tools, and active projects.
A few bad apples complaining about 'stolen' scripts wouldn't change that.

Though 'custom' scripts especially should be fairly open considering what license rAthena/eAthena runs with.  Though no one these days even takes the time to read licenses.

Where I worked, I manage and develop three different projects; you can't re-implement everything so searching for source code and reading whoever's license for commercial use is important.

But there it is, the whole 'they stole our scripts' nonsense without understanding how software licensing and the open source world works.

[NovaRagnarok]

The scripts were posted to the public on rAthena for the intention of them being used by servers and modified. Our developers did that and expanded on them making them better. In the case of the eden quest boards Poutine created all of the 100 and up quests for our server while using Chilly's work as a reference. His name is credited on our git as shown in public. Which is how you credit someone. Not in private.

I'm glad you guys are finally admitting to taking our work though. It's nice to not be able to be accused of defamation anymore. It sucks that your server is run by such talent-less people but hey, maybe it will work out for you. I see some communities have already started shunning you for your shadiness kek. I'd love to know why you decided to steal our GM mobs though. You should probably change the way they look since they were designed to look like the GMs of our server, just a heads up. Good luck with your server.

Do you want me to apologize for not including a huge page on my website thanking everyone who wrote a script we might have used?
You immediately resort to name-calling: "It sucks that your server is run by such talent-less people but hey, maybe it will work out for you." Making a few basic NPCs and editing a few things in the emulator doesn't make you talented. And if I recall correctly, you were just an event GM. Talent would be writing up your own emulator closer to the official game than rAthena itself. I never claimed to be an amazing developer, but I've been able to change and fix the things I want to, and revert changes your developers coded for my own server. Now I've even learned how to modify and code skills. I'd venture that makes me just as "talented" as they are, and I started with zero coding experience. You're upset I chose not to remove generic GM monsters with max stats, when I had no intention of ever using them.

The funniest part is that before quitting, I personally talked to you and gave you a list of things I thought would improve your server, so that I could have a better place to play in, and your entire team just vanished into the air. Now that my server is up, you've decided to listen to all of my ideas.
http://www.reddit.com/r/RedditRO/comments/2klae2/our_plan_for_the_server/

I'm just a guy who got tired of trying out every single renewal server only to find out they all have fatal flaws, and instead of waiting for the next server to crash and burn, I decided to make my own.
And the last part, this forum thread alone proves that you're not professional enough to work as staff. Dealing with you has always been unpleasant.

[TabooRo]

I always think is ironic when private server owners rant about people stealing their work...considering their servers consists of an RO emulator created by someone else and 99% copyrighted graphics..  

So what if they copied your scripts ? you copied the whole server first...besides the fact that none of the "mods" you mentioned are original to your server.

QQ, make your server better than his and that's it. The best server will survive int the end... they can copy your scripts but they can't copy your management or skills. After all, good management is what makes or breaks an RO server.

[1008]

This whole thing is like stealing a box of food in a store, going elsewhere and sampling some out, then being mad that someone else is now sampling your samples.
You stole RO in general from Gravity, then 'improved' some NPCs and stuck them on your server which is going so well, and are now mad that someone else is now using them too.
You can't steal something and then decide when the buck stops. It'd be like going in a house and stealing a television and then being mad someone stole your stolen TV.

[Chilly]

I don't see the point of this topic at all, other than the free publicity to NovaRO.  They used files that were not created by them (like 99.9% of all private servers do since we all use an emulator that was created by others to run our servers, along with sprites, maps, special effects, etc. created by gravity), and they even gave credit to their sources, so what exactly is the problem?

As someone who's had some of my private work "stolen" from me AND had the credits changed with my name completely removed, the only advice i can give you is to listen to the Disney song "Frozen - Let it go" on repeat until you feel better.  All you are doing by making a topic like this is giving extra attention to the people you are trying to "warn" others about, which is helping them instead of hurting them.  So as a player on NovaRO i would like to thank you for bringing more attention to the server, keep up the good work!

[Innomite]

OP is a fgt.
It's the OP's fault in the first place.

There were some renewal servers that had those features you claim as "original" before; so yeah, it's not gonna work. Also good job on advertising NovaRO lmao.

[Sinistrum]

I dont get this.

Is OP complaining that a Server uses OC that got freesourced on rAthena that he also used?

[1008]

I dont get this.

Is OP complaining that a Server uses OC that got freesourced on rAthena that he also used?

Yes.

[Sinistrum]

Yes.

Ive just catched a few things since its rant and rave and most of it seems to be tl;dr

But, wow this just reached a new level.

So basically :

Server OP : Changed a skill bcause, good balance.
Server Copy: Played on OP´s server and implements that onto his server

Server OP : Is really mad about that, rants in RMS
Server Copy : Is like, lol tl;dr it was a good idea, what are you complaining about - imitation blabla  sincerest form of flattery - get over it thanks.

Server OP : Supermad


Does this hit the mark?

[1008]

Ive just catched a few things since its rant and rave and most of it seems to be tl;dr

But, wow this just reached a new level.

So basically :

Server OP : Changed a skill bcause, good balance.
Server Copy: Played on OP´s server and implements that onto his server

Server OP : Is really mad about that, rants in RMS
Server Copy : Is like, lol tl;dr it was a good idea, what are you complaining about - imitation blabla  sincerest form of flattery - get over it thanks.

Server OP : Supermad


Does this hit the mark?

Yea, man, you're good at this.
OP downloaded open source stuff, didn't credit it anywhere that it was Chilly's originally because he 'improved upon' Chilly's work.
Owner downloaded it, it still had no license, no claim, no trademark, and was open to the public, the exact same way, and again, improved upon other's work without citing everywhere that it was someone else's, but did still leave credits in the script, just like OP. Not to mention that the guy who wrote the script to begin with is owner's friend of many years.
OP mad af, reached so far as to say owner stole his x20 rates by having x25 rates.
Now OP is making a new server, using many of 'stolen' server's ideas and improvements.
OP fails to see the hypocrisy.
Now you're 100% caught up and have a greater comprehension of the discussion at hand than even the OP.