Nova RO - Honest review from a banned Player

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eieiron

Quote from: Hummingbird on Jan 13, 2015, 06:17 AM
Drop the act. It pisses me off. How you handle the problem on your server is so stupid.

How about you drop the act? What gives you the idea you have any right whatsoever to question other people's actions, when it was your own guild's actions (y'know, the exploiting - or did you forget?) that got them banned in the first place? Do you realise any "mistakes" the GM team might have done, pales in comparison to what your guildmates actually did?

Green might've spied on your guild chats, but he didn't need "dirt" to make you "look bad" (you were doing that fine by yourselves, without anyone's help) /heh /heh /heh /heh

So how about you
1. Stop pretending you were the victims
and 2. Get the hell off that moral high ground you and your friends seem to LOVE taking.

As far as I'm concered, the only mistake from the admins was not doing it sooner. /pif

OH! and regarding this:

Quote from: Hummingbird on Jan 13, 2015, 06:17 AM
Alright, keep it up. You go stick with your own methods. You just wait for another week or month and another negative thread about Nova ragnarok will come out from some of your players.

I'd take that bet aaaaaaaaaanyday /ok

Gankare

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Quote from: eieiron on Jan 13, 2015, 09:26 AM

So how about you
1. Stop pretending you were the victims

Right now, you're contributing as much as the circle of idiots that are screaming "fight, fight, fight!" when two other people are at each others throat.
With all evidence we have provided, you still fan boy Manuel. So ask yourself, who's really pretending?

Yozakura

1. It's an "honest" review from a banned player. Of course it'd be negative. Who the hell would write a positive review after getting banned?

2. Just because you presented evidence doesn't mean people should believe. They're not obliged to believe you.

3. There aren't really any victims here. OP and crew are guilty of being jerks to the point of earning their well-deserved bans, and Nova's Admin is guilty of being imperfect (lol). Funny how everyone's imposing some sort of standards on everyone else, while failing it themselves.

@Nova admin - plenty of free adverts lately eh?

"On that day, the bees received a grim reminder. They lived in fear of the hornets and were disgraced to live in these cages they called hives."

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Gankare

Quote from: Yozakura on Jan 13, 2015, 12:46 PM
2. Just because you presented evidence doesn't mean people should believe. They're not obliged to believe you.
@Nova admin - plenty of free adverts lately eh?

Funny how you defend someone like Manuel. Let's bring some easy-to-understand real life examples to help you grasp the situation:

1. A threat
Imagine what would have happened if, during the cold war, one side started to use their atomic bombs. Their reasoning: "The other side could have done something with their bombs so we started."
Luckily, neither Soviet or America started to bomb each other and most of the population was unharmed.

Still believe that Manuel did the right thing even though his way of solving issues are by bombing first caused by his fear of a potential threat?

2. Violation of privacy
Imagine if someone was watching you all day, all night. Things like poking your nose would be awkward. If you have a paranoid dictator, you might get killed just for saying the wrong thing in your own home. You could never, truly discuss anything, and discussion is the first step of moving forward as a society.

Or do you believe that opinions should be silenced?

Depending on your answer, all readers will understand the level of intelligence you posses.

Gankare

Quote from: Yozakura on Jan 13, 2015, 12:46 PM
3. There aren't really any victims here. OP and crew are guilty of being jerks to the point of earning their well-deserved bans,

A statement like this, when you don't know any of the people involved, makes you look like a person who doesn't respond to reason. If you want to be taken seriously, change.

Yozakura

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Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
Funny how you defend someone like Manuel. Let's bring some easy-to-understand real life examples to help you grasp the situation:

1. A threat
Imagine what would have happened if, during the cold war, one side started to use their atomic bombs. Their reasoning: "The other side could have done something with their bombs so we started."
Luckily, neither Soviet or America started to bomb each other and most of the population was unharmed.

Still believe that Manuel did the right thing even though his way of solving issues are by bombing first caused by his fear of a potential threat?

2. Violation of privacy
Imagine if someone was watching you all day, all night. Things like poking your nose would be awkward. If you have a paranoid dictator, you might get killed just for saying the wrong thing in your own home. You could never, truly discuss anything, and discussion is the first step of moving forward as a society.

Or do you believe that opinions should be silenced?

Depending on your answer, all readers will understand the level of intelligence you posses.

I don't know why you're assuming I'm siding with Nova. This is RMS, and this thread is an open discussion, isn't it.

1. Considering the screenshots both sides provided, and how you and your guild appear to act like total jerks on his server, publicly provoking people for the heck of it, on top of the exploit deal, what makes you think they'd just leave you be?

2. They already know you're capable of doing some stupid s***, what makes you think they wouldn't think of monitoring you? It's not like they were focused on you from day one. It's his server, what's wrong with him reading your chat logs? He's not stalking your skype or facebook chats, right?

3. Why does it seem to offend you when I pointed out that people are not obliged to believe you? I'm merely pointing out the obvious. Yours is nothing more than one-sided "I'm telling the truth, f*** the other guy, if you disagree with me, you're stupid" argument.

Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
A statement like this, when you don't know any of the people involved, makes you look like a person who doesn't respond to reason. If you want to be taken seriously, change.

Does it really matter? It's just another one of those countless threads with pretty much the same content anyways. Players do something stupid, admins respond in a way players don't like. Both sides are at fault. Anything new?

"On that day, the bees received a grim reminder. They lived in fear of the hornets and were disgraced to live in these cages they called hives."

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eieiron

Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 11:26 AM
With all evidence we have provided, you still fan boy Manuel. So ask yourself, who's really pretending?

Uh...you? (or was this a trick question)? "Evidence"? Half Inzanity's evidence only damned yourselves, and the other half was conjecture based on Inzanity's...what? Animal instincts? Financial auditing skills?(lol).

Quote from: inzanity on Jan 11, 2015, 07:28 AM
So either he actually dumps half his paycheck into a private-server, or he gets them in a way thats exclusive to him. When asking Nova, he kept quiet about it, not wanting to share ANY details if it was legit or not. Why, I am asking myself. If its a legit 300k earned through honest ways, there would be no reason to hide anything. But they do and that shows clear signs of corruption.

This evidence? "Why, I am asking myself". "No reason to hide anything", and therefore, "clear signs of corruption". About as "clear" as a glass of milk I'd say... How about I present you with what another esteemed contributor of this thread said:

Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
2. Violation of privacy
Imagine if someone was watching you all day, all night. Things like poking your nose would be awkward. If you have a paranoid dictator, you might get killed just for saying the wrong thing in your own home. You could never, truly discuss anything, and discussion is the first step of moving forward as a society.

"Violation of privacy" HMMMMMM....Ring any bells? THATS REASON ENOUGH FOR ME! /no1

Quote from: Hummingbird on Jan 13, 2015, 06:17 AMBefore the incident happened, i think we have a discussion on the guild a week ago about him being incompetent. They've been reading our chats like everyday looking for some dirt or something that will make my guild mates look bad so he can ban them. They are waiting for that opportunity to happen.

Or maybe this "evidence"

Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
A statement like this, when you don't know any of the people involved, makes you look like a person who doesn't respond to reason. If you want to be taken seriously, change.

Likewise, if you want to be taken seriously, get rid of the "evidence" composed solely of guesswork, and present real ones.

Conjecture and hearsay seem to be your main weapons on this thread. Either post something that's actually honest, (with none of that "I am asking myself" garbage), or stop with the pretense of giving a "review".

EDIT&offtopic(ish): WAIT WAIT WAIT I GOT THIS.
Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
Depending on your answer, all readers will understand the level of intelligence you posses.

IS THAT LIKE

Quote from: Gankare on Jan 13, 2015, 02:31 PM
1. A threat

?

HobbesWasRight

This thread is nothing but people arguing logical fallacies.  Please stop.  It's causing intelligent people aneurysms. 

Gankare

@eieiron
It's a good thing that you're not anyones lawyer. Close to no one would ever take anything you said seriously.

eieiron

Quote from: Gankare on Jan 14, 2015, 02:31 AM
@eieiron
It's a good thing that you're not anyones lawyer. Close to no one would ever take anything you said seriously.

Like I said, what evidence? /hmm

inzanity

I made sure it says "banned player" in the topic title so that people dont come at me with "lel u got banned ofc u are mad".

People are way to stuck up on the ban. Also

@Nova

No it didnt take VPN to abuse your system. It takes a trip to a friend, to work, ot anywhere with a new IP to abuse it. In fact you can just reset your router or request a new IP. Takes a few seconds. People have been abusing this and you can stop lying we were the only ones. It doesnt matter TO WHAT EXTEND, the fact people generated more coins than foreseen is enough.

Our guild wasnt any more rude to other players, than the rest of the server. We didnt call out anybody, we didnt run around randomly in town to piss off people. If someone claims that id like to see their proof. We only act harsh if theres a reason to. For example the first thing we heard on the server was claims that we are corrupt. As a guild, how would you play if everyone is pointing guns at you right from the start, hm?

Gankaare's first ban was literally for saying "All americans are fat". Manual, not being american, took high offense, he, his mother and grandmother(probably not american either) and his friends were so terribly shaken that a ban was the only logical choice.
THIS IS A FACT. I wish i recorded all the skype conversations me, Tilly and Gankaare had with Nova and Green. You guys would laugh. And it would have all the evidence mr eisomething would need.

Im not mad for getting banned. Generating 10~15 dollars worth of gold coins i well knew that i could get banned anytime for it. If iwere to be mad and angry about it, id have written an entire different topic. Such as telling people "Nova sucks, he banned me for generating 15$. Bad bad admin". But i didnt. i made this topic to show much more than that. I dont have any reason to lie to you guys. Im already gone from that server, why would i need to lie now? And Nova lost many other players, not just us. Not to bans, but to extreme unprofesional behaviour. And that was the idea of this topic. To show what kinda People are leading Nova RO.

@Nova
You forget that we were also the most contributing people to your server. I want to point you towards the forums and players we got to your server (About 15 players). The suggestions, the things we reported, guides we wrote and all the chats between you and me. But how easy is it to forget such things, right?

I want to, yet again, make sure people understand the corruption here:
We were ALLOWED TO PLAY after the ban. On new accounts. We did. Objection made a new ranger, played happily. He talked happily and friendly with Nova. He finds a kiel card. Someone offers him real life money on a teamspeak server. (he didnt ask for money, he got offered money) That player (Addison) is still playing. Objection is banned. Its as simple as this. It doesnt matter what objection did in the past. You are treating players compltely different. Both are equally guilty. In fact addison is more guilty since he was the one to even start the real life currency deal. You decide to ban him but not addison. Dont you understand how biased and corrupt this is? It takes no 80 IQ to understand that.

Gankare

I don't know about the 80 IQ but it is very clear to us, who actually were there.

Alwyn

QuoteAddison tried to buy the Kiel Card with ingame Stuff. But all of our guildmates friends got banned from the server so he didnt need anything on NovaRO.
So on the teamspeak server, he asked Addison what he is gonna offer for the card. Addison replied with "money is no problem".

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but according to your first post, Addison first made the attempt with ingame items. Dude with Kiel declined saying that he didn't want anything from NovaRO, most likely because he would not be playing there since the guild was moving to a different server. Common sense would be "I guess he doesn't want anything I can offer him from the game". So if he asks Addison what he/she can offer afterwards on TeamSpeak, you're kind of limiting it to stuff outside of the game, to which in most properly run servers is against the rules. Addison goes to the GM asking if its okay to do this, GMs say no. Dude with Kiel doesn't go to the GM to see if this is ok, GMs now find this fishy and act on it. Perhaps the ban was a bit overzealous, but if the person in question had been banned before, came back and broke the rules again, you can't really say the ban was unwarranted.

inzanity

Again, trying to cover up the corruption with useless info.

perhaps, yes indeed, you are missing something here. He didnt decline, he simply said he doesnt need anything on this server. hes playing somewhere else. Addisson could have simply donated for him on another server or gave him items on naother server and receive the kiel card in return. Would have been perfectly legit, not against the rules. No. Instead HE SAYS INGAME "such things are not discussed ingame, come to 'that' TS Server so we can discuss this". <- proof alone he was about to break the rules. He then ASKS THE GM IF ITS OK TO BREAK THE RULES XDDDD Damn bro. Its like me asking if its okay to dupe items. Obecjtion (dude) wasnt even playing the server, leave alone talking to people there. he simply logged in once in a few days to check whats up. Youre telling me he got banned for leaving the card in his inventory and not logging in? Nice corruption and power abuse.  Sorry ure just trying to cover something up thats just so obvious in the open. Its like trying to tell me French magazine ppl didnt get killed by jihads.

Should just drop the act, really.

eieiron

Quote from: inzanity on Jan 14, 2015, 07:02 PM
Its like trying to tell me French magazine ppl didnt get killed by jihads.

L.M.F.A.O.