macro/bot or nah?

[valhallaknight]

I WAS playing on this low-rate private server and a certain event made me quit and leave it for good. It happened on the mosc Les map, I saw this creator and his bard farming sharp leafs and noticed that his bard is playing it's song buff every 20sec after the buff is over and has a pattern of some sort and decided to test if it was a bot/macro. The bard is equipped with a lesser elemental ring (has a chance to cast sprint/backslide/first aid ect when physically attacked) and was at the creator's side before I began recording. It was attacked by a mantis and procced sprint and backslide that's why it went a few cells down from the creator's cell (not shown in the video). Notice how we DBd him to see if he'll react or not and even went to res his dead toons and to my surprise it was still playing it's song in it's 20sec pattern. The player was banned and got unbanned again because apparently this was not a solid evidence of him using macro/bot. What do you guys think? Am I wrong of accusing this said individual of using third party programs? If so please prove me wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqIKP7nsLc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGys1jonnTg

Edit: Fixed a few stuff on what happened.

[Ragplayer]

its hard to keep up with this post, keeps getting edited so much

[rizzen]

If the player was botting, the bard would have immediately started playing it's songs again once resurrected, no?

[valhallaknight]

Explain to me the "pattern" on which the bard is playing it's song before and after it was res pls and come one, are you not checking your alchemist every now and then to actually NOT notice that your creator/alch and homun is dead? Not to mention playing your bard when it's clearly out of the range of your homun.

[Cazerack]

To Ragplayer: earlier you mentioned about it not being a big deal, however that would provide a unfair advantage and can be used for further exploitation such as farming cards with a alchemist by using a teleport clip and have their homunculus with a set AI to teleport in set periods killing monsters. Not to mention it is listed this server's rules for 3rd party programs such as a macro. In response to rizzen, perhaps it was not a bot. However it did start playing after getting resurrected. You would have to be pretty blind to not take notice of that

[rizzen]

In response to rizzen, perhaps it was not a bot. However it did start playing after getting resurrected. You would have to be pretty blind to not take notice of that

I noticed it. I also know that there are two sides to every story. I play on the server, and know both the person that posted this topic, and the person they're questioning. The player in the videos frequently afks on their Alch while watching movies or shows, and only pays attention to their clients to use a skill every so often to avoid losing @autoloot capability. I'm sure one of the next questions will be, why is there no reaction to seeing the death window? I'm not the player in the video, but I can tell you that they've had dead branches dropped on their characters multiple times before, so it's nothing new to come back to one.

[Cazerack]

The player in the videos frequently afks on their Alch while watching movies or shows, and only pays attention to their clients to use a skill every so often to avoid losing @autoloot capability. I'm sure one of the next questions will be, why is there no reaction to seeing the death window? I'm not the player in the video, but I can tell you that they've had dead branches dropped on their characters multiple times before, so it's nothing new to come back to one.

Now that is interesting, are you capable of explaining why the playing of music are in set intervals, as can be seen in the video even after death and coming back. On another matter, one would have fed their homunculus at some point to have notice this. However this behavior lasted for hours. If you want to argue that it is timed, one would have may noticed that their homunculus has died at some point. If he was watching videos, that would mean he would have alt tabbed to RO client to activate skills. The fact that you know him, also clouds your judgement. Furthermore, I have seen this person on another character teleporting in set intervals killing monsters with another alchemist, and leaving half dead monsters. Oh, and also about him being dbed multiple times, I have not noticed it HOWEVER if he did get hurassed in such manner one would have most certainly check up on their characters often enough so that such event has not occured.

Edit: I ain't targetting someone, I would just prefer to have unbiased views from other people. Furthermore, I don't mean any harm to server, which is why I have not mentioned the server name

[valhallaknight]

I noticed it. I also know that there are two sides to every story. I play on the server, and know both the person that posted this topic, and the person they're questioning. The player in the videos frequently afks on their Alch while watching movies or shows, and only pays attention to their clients to use a skill every so often to avoid losing @autoloot capability. I'm sure one of the next questions will be, why is there no reaction to seeing the death window? I'm not the player in the video, but I can tell you that they've had dead branches dropped on their characters multiple times before, so it's nothing new to come back to one.

Even if you're watching a movie or whatever. Are you actually that good that you're showing a pattern or an interval on your bard EVERY TIME you use it's skill?  Which is 20sec as shown in the video and is really fishy to me. Explain this to me please 

[Tang]

First of all, it's not every 20 seconds. I'm not sure how you came up with that number. It's every 2 minutes and sometimes a little bit more.

Second, have you ever heard of running a media player in always on top mode? Homunculus farming is boring as s***, and I've personally had a media player in always on top mode so I can simple click the title bar, press a hotkey, while watching my show the entire time.

Here if you want to try it, install a media player (I use VLC), enable always on top mode (in VLC: Video -> Always on top), maximize the window, watch a video, and click your RO windows in the task bar.

It's honestly the most efficient way I can think of when farming with a homunculus.

I'm not saying that's what this person is doing but it's very possible and I can see myself in the same situation.

I would be pissed off if I was banned while sitting there with my timer app alerting me to use my skills every 2~min. 

[Cazerack]

First of all, it's not every 20 seconds. I'm not sure how you came up with that number. It's every 2 minutes and sometimes a little bit more.

You have a valid point about playing a video, however if you were to watch the time frames on the 2nd video, it is every 20 secs. At time frame 3:07 it stops playing and at 3:27 it plays again and 5:27 it stops and at 5:47 it plays again
on the first video 0:34 to 0:54, and 2:54 to 3:14 most definitely in 20 sec interval

[Nomar]

Damn it Tang. Lol. I am the player in question here. I was indeed watching a movie in VLC and it is always on top. This is why I was unbanned to begin with. I explained this to the GM. I was breaking absolutely no rules and as a result I asked the GM to change the rules so that this type of drama doesn't happen in the future. Now we have established the rule that a homunculus player must be able to respond to a GM/PM within a reasonable time if they are still looting items or casting skills. Also I have been griefed by players on the server with DBs on multiple occasions and I just get up dust myself off and get back on the horse. To the point of the timing, well lets see how to explain this. Well time moves in one direction(or so I assume). I have mastered the ability with the help of devices to decode time. I know amazing. Okay all jokes aside I just have an app that makes a ping noise every 2 minutes and 20 seconds and I press a button. This player really took this over the deep end. I didn't see this coming at all.

Oh and a quick edit. I doubt I'll be responding to anything in this topic after this. It's been dealt with and new rules have even been made because of it. Most have moved on but a few grumpy old men continue to turn it into Days of Our Lives.

Oh and it was 2 minutes and 20 seconds to give my bard some time to regen SP between songs.

[valhallaknight]

First of all, it's not every 20 seconds. I'm not sure how you came up with that number. It's every 2 minutes and sometimes a little bit more.

Second, have you ever heard of running a media player in always on top mode? Homunculus farming is boring as s***, and I've personally had a media player in always on top mode so I can simple click the title bar, press a hotkey, while watching my show the entire time.

Here if you want to try it, install a media player (I use VLC), enable always on top mode (in VLC: Video -> Always on top), maximize the window, watch a video, and click your RO windows in the task bar.

It's honestly the most efficient way I can think of when farming with a homunculus.

I'm not saying that's what this person is doing but it's very possible and I can see myself in the same situation.

I would be pissed off if I was banned while sitting there with my timer app uses my skills every 2~min. 

It's 20sec AFTER the song buff is over watch the video again and you will notice a pattern. Are you not feeding your homun to not notice what's happening around you? Not to mention checking if you're OVERWEIGHT because that creator has been there for hours. I'm sure at some point you had to move your items to your cart. But seeing that you're not around at that time proves it otherwise. The said player even told the GMs that he was been DBd frequently and just doesn't give a f*** anymore which is BS. No ONE DBd him before this was the one and only time he was DBd /smh

[Cazerack]

I have been griefed by players on the server with DBs on multiple occasions and I just get up dust myself off and get back on the horse

I find that funny, since I have never been DBed before, and no one I have known that often AFK's at les been DBed, or dbed others. However your guildmate who I shall not mention has been griefing others by intimidating multiple times, even after we kill the corresponding monster that was warped.

And to further go on about it, if you really have been DBed many times like I mentioned before, you would most certainly have checked your characters of such an event. Atleast in the sense a normal person would. Or attempt to have caught such perpertraitors, brought it up to a GM.

If you wanna bring in your guildmates to this argument, atleast get your story straight. Where your guildmate says it's not 2 minutes and 20 secs and then you saying it is, after I mention the time frames

[Tang]

Damn it Tang. Lol. I am the player in question here. I was indeed watching a movie in VLC and it is always on top. This is why I was unbanned to begin with. I explained this to the GM. I was breaking absolutely no rules and as a result I asked the GM to change the rules so that this type of drama doesn't happen in the future. Now we have established the rule that a homunculus player must be able to respond to a GM/PM within a reasonable time if they are still looting items or casting skills. Also I have been griefed by players on the server with DBs on multiple occasions and I just get up dust myself off and get back on the horse. To the point of the timing, well lets see how to explain this. Well time moves in one direction(or so I assume). I have mastered the ability with the help of devices to decode time. I know amazing. Okay all jokes aside I just have an app that makes a ping noise every 2 minutes and 20 seconds and I press a button. This player really took this over the deep end. I didn't see this coming at all.

I was not sure if you would come explain yourself  . I overheard a game master mention always on top windows in-game and I've done it myself in the past so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

It's 20sec AFTER the song buff is over watch the video again and you will notice a pattern. Are you not feeding your homun to not notice what's happening around you? Not to mention checking if you're OVERWEIGHT because that creator has been there for hours. I'm sure at some point you had to move your items to your cart. But seeing that you're not around at that time proves it otherwise. The said player even told the GMs that he was been DBd frequently and just doesn't give a f*** anymore which is BS. No ONE DBd him before this was the one and only time he was DBd /smh

You only submitted about 13 minutes of video. You don't need to feed a homunculus for quite sometime. I've forgot to feed my homunculus countless times while mindlessly farming with a show on.

Are you saying their macro decided to randomly change from 2~min to 20 seconds? Why on earth would that happen? It's much more likely he decided to press the hotkey early.

I really don't believe this is enough proof to get them banned and it seems they implemented a rule for these situations.

I find that funny, since I have never been DBed before, and no one I have known that often AFK's at les been DBed, or dbed others. However your guildmate who I shall not mention has been griefing others by intimidating multiple times, even after we kill the corresponding monster that was warped.

Um, you must not play very much. I've seen this happen many times and had to @request about it.

[Cazerack]

13 minutes yes, however would you have preferred we recorded for a couple of hours? Because, we most certainly should have since, you refuse to accept the truth. OR you do and choose, to keep defending it. Like one of your guildmates said when asked if he would leave if he remained banned as result of being in the wrong "I would leave, regardless of him being right or wring because we are friends." I really do wish the GM's of said server were able to post a log for you, however sadly there isn't.

At this point we dont' care if he gets banned or not, we just simply want some other's view. However you keep bringing in guildmates to defend yourself. Further proves you are hiding something. We want outsider view, not someone from the same guild that has gotten a mutual relationship of getting leeched for exp.

If you truly find nothing at wrong, you and your guildmates would quit posting here and just let a unbiased person to post their view.

Also on further review of your post tang, I did not mean that the macro changes from 2 mins to 20 secs, however the interval for a assassin cross cast, to when it ends was in a 20 second interval. So considering that assasin cross lasts 120 secs the macro is activating every 2 mins and 20 secs