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Title: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 08:39 AM
When I first logged in, there were 386 people online. Hey, that's not bad at all considering how new the server is and how much more dead RO is these days.

What started to become suspicious was how the main town only ever had about 10~15 people in it at any one time. Well okay, everyone is out leveling, or in other areas. I asked about it in #main chat and people said that most people are just in other towns. Oh yes, the good old "guild town" thing that RO clans do.

Unfortunately that seemed to only make up, in total, about 30 more people online. In the designated vending area, there were in total 29 vendors.

Thus far we have less than 80 players accounted for. But, it's very fair to assume that most people are, you know, actually playing the game, so they wouldn't be sitting in a town doing nothing.

This is what I figured until I realized that the server population only ever fluctuated by 3~4 in my 4 hours of playtime yesterday. This is something that just doesn't happen. A server does not stay so close to the 382~386 population mark for such a long period of time. No matter, every server has its downtime, the hours that just aren't very good for an english speaking population.

The issue there is that the population, even then, had never went below 350 online. I have never ever seen a server that is so consistently populated 24 hours a day, yet with so many leveling areas being devoid of players, which leads me to believe that the population advertised isn't legitimate.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: CapeRO on Jan 05, 2018, 10:15 AM
Greetings!
Seems like you've only played for like 5 minutes  then decided to review already. I can already see that your statistics are way off.
This is all I got to reply to this since this is proving that you are very inconsistent with your rant.

Quote from: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 08:39 AM
There were in total 29 vendors.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/UzAnoIaDRiiCifYjYeRICg.png)

29 Vendors? Cleary there are 79 vendors in the Vending Area.
We were just 290ish online 1-2 days ago. Other towns has players and ofcourse leveling parties.
I don't want to accuse you of anything but you decided to write a review with a very wayyyy off statistic

Well, I'll just take this as a free advertise. Join our growing community! www.cape-ro.com (http://www.cape-ro.com)
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: tanocolu on Jan 05, 2018, 02:27 PM
They have the same website as LumiaRO, a server that closed a couple of months ago because they faked its population...
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: CapeRO on Jan 05, 2018, 02:36 PM
Quote from: tanocolu on Jan 05, 2018, 02:27 PM
They have the same website as *****RO, a server that closed a couple of months ago because they faked its population...

Far as I'm concerned, this website is a pre-made website and we just used this website temporarily because the original website had errors.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/5XBvdPV0QIuDf_O6ZxTfqw.png)

And already the main topic maker has been exposed.

Quote from: CapeRO on Jan 05, 2018, 10:15 AM
Greetings!
Seems like you've only played for like 5 minutes  then decided to review already. I can already see that your statistics are way off.
This is all I got to reply to this since this is proving that you are very inconsistent with your rant.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/UzAnoIaDRiiCifYjYeRICg.png)

29 Vendors? Cleary there are 79 vendors in the Vending Area.
We were just 290ish online 1-2 days ago. Other towns has players and ofcourse leveling parties.
I don't want to accuse you of anything but you decided to write a review with a very wayyyy off statistic

Well, I'll just take this as a free advertise. Join our growing community! www.cape-ro.com (http://www.cape-ro.com)

:)
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 03:11 PM
Not to be "that guy", but there isn't any "being exposed" when I checked and there were far less than what you saw. I'm not saying you're lying, because I really doubt you are, but the time I checked was simply much different.

I'll see how it looks over the next day or two, but I have to say I laughed when I went to your website just now and lo and behold it's three-hundred-and-eighty-something again. It is only day 2 (for me), but it is all very curious. Your server is a phenomenon I've never seen at all. Even on the more dead servers, the population will fluctuate 10~20 people at least over the course of a few hours.

Maybe it is just coincidence.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Yasi on Jan 05, 2018, 03:11 PM
When the server was hovering around 150-250 population, there were around maybe 30ish venders and I found the towns to be quite empty...

Also over the holiday I was playing for like 18 hours straight and the population remained steady at 200'ish? For it to remain steady like that even at odd hours for an English server is really impressive...

No Idea if the population is faked or not. Just throwing in my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Emcee on Jan 05, 2018, 03:13 PM
Reporter makes no sense. RO has always been like that :/ even ragnaclan stays above 200online everyday even tho its dead
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Yasi on Jan 05, 2018, 03:15 PM
I played it when it first came out on December 15th until December 22nd...and guess what the server population was on release?

Also, I'm not reporting anything. Just throwing in my 2 cents because frankly it's "2018 ragnarok private servers lul" so I don't care enough to make a big deal about it. If someone wants to do w/e then let them.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: CapeRO on Jan 05, 2018, 03:31 PM
Quote from: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 03:11 PM
Not to be "that guy", but there isn't any "being exposed" when I checked and there were far less than what you saw. I'm not saying you're lying, because I really doubt you are, but the time I checked was simply much different.

I'll see how it looks over the next day or two, but I have to say I laughed when I went to your website just now and lo and behold it's three-hundred-and-eighty-something again. It is only day 2 (for me), but it is all very curious. Your server is a phenomenon I've never seen at all. Even on the more dead servers, the population will fluctuate 10~20 people at least over the course of a few hours.

Maybe it is just coincidence.

Your statistics have been proved to be very way off hehe. 2 hours ago you wrote that 29 vendors and i checked right away then replied immediately with real evidence of the statistics.  2 hours ago online was 340-360, I shouldn't be debating numbers with you because you're way off since the start of this topic.  Much better if you back it up with even just simple evidence like I did ~

Well, I just surfed around the server just now for 1 minute and just took random screenshots :) Next time I will take SS of every single player playing everywhere. :p

maintown
(https://image.prntscr.com/image/w8WNYS3UTZ6ty_r1evJO0w.png)

people leveling:
(https://i.imgur.com/wjYQWnf.jpg)

people in other towns
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOu09or.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oqs9rWc.jpg)

Oh and lastly:  The funny part hehe

Quote from: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 08:39 AM
In the designated vending area, there were in total 29 vendors.

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/WdLwFCfITXmOyTKKCmCI8Q.png)

Maybe I need to take pictures of every single player. gonna take a while tho! ~ :p

// ( figured out I'll just put the banner on :p )
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 03:46 PM
Quote from: CapeRO on Jan 05, 2018, 03:31 PM
Oh and lastly:  The funny part hehe

(https://image.prntscr.com/image/WdLwFCfITXmOyTKKCmCI8Q.png)

We already covered this, why are you posting it again?  /hmm

I said it was 29 at the time I checked, I wasn't implying that it was 29 again.

Also, calm down with the advertising thing. It's super tacky. I know you want your server to grow - so do I if I plan on playing it - but the way you're going about it is super obnoxious.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: CapeRO on Jan 05, 2018, 03:50 PM
Quote from: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 03:46 PM
We already covered this, why are you posting it again?  /hmm

I said it was 29 at the time I checked, I wasn't implying that it was 29 again.

Also, calm down with the advertising thing. It's super tacky. I know you want your server to grow - so do I if I plan on playing it - but the way you're going about it is super obnoxious.

I just found it funny, anything wrong? jokes. This is the main evidence of your inaccurate rant. :p

Isn't RMS for mainly for advertising ? I'm here to advertise the server xD  :p

you basically logged in the server like 1 week ago because 1 week ago is when the vendors are like 29 and online was like  280ish. So that means you wrote this topic with your own statistics without checking deeply and making sure you're correct? /hmm confusing because vendors didn't go up from 29 to 79 within how many hours?  /heh

  Maybe just a random day for you and you thought *Oh im gonna write a rant about this server*.

ps: this may be my last reply to this rant cause I have to develop the upcoming battlegrounds for the server :) Just read the whole post guys. I've answered everything with accurate statistics and evidence. Happy New Year!
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Dratini on Jan 05, 2018, 07:46 PM
most of the server nowadays use fake population to attract people. as long as the server active (pvm,leveling,bg,woe) then most people are okay with it.
people can judge whether is worth to join that server or not, regardless of the population.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: misterj on Jan 05, 2018, 08:35 PM
capeRO guy, just post the output of @users, or link to the who's online page.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Kiroshou on Jan 08, 2018, 09:33 AM
Well, now that Battlegrounds is implemented, it's no longer subtle.

It broadcasts how many people it needs to start, being set at needing only 6. Despite constantly having over 300 people online at all times, it rarely gets more than 2 or 3 people participating and thus hardly even ever starts despite only needing 6 people.

Even discounting vendors and alts, that is extremely unlikely, unless you're also running a server that's also unique in a sense that nobody likes to participate in fresh BG (something I've also never seen before).

Either your population number is bogus or you have an extremely high number of people AFK on your server pretty much all of the time, because it's now been a few days and your server population is still extremely stable 24/7. Even on the weekend you went from 38x online to 40x, and the fluctuation remained predictable.

Can't wait for WoE, when your server is also unique in that nobody wants to participate in that, either.

I won't keep complaining about it though, just going to move on as I should. Good luck to your server, and hopefully one day it'll actually have 300~400 people online.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Emcee on Jan 08, 2018, 11:42 AM
Atleast they have bg lmao lowrate servers dont even bother with bg cause no1 plays bg in lowrates
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: omnirusted on Jan 08, 2018, 12:56 PM
Been on this server since day 1. I was really skeptical about the numbers at first, but if you spend more than an hour on it's pretty obvious the numbers are legit. In Anubis alone there's at least 20 people constantly. I can't go anywhere without running in to people, even the more obscure maps. The population is really spread out, and very active. Plus there's the large number of people multiclienting. Believe it or not, the numbers are accurate.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Dratini on Jan 08, 2018, 06:00 PM
it is obviously fake population. i log in right now and no way the population hit even 200. empty towns, few vendors.
and the population show 352.  /omg
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Kiroshou on Jan 08, 2018, 10:08 PM
Quote from: Dratini on Jan 08, 2018, 06:00 PM
it is obviously fake population. i log in right now and no way the population hit even 200. empty towns, few vendors.
and the population show 352.  /omg

The biggest thing that gave it away was just how little the population fluctuated throughout the day. That is just not a thing. A server does not have the same population +/- 10 for 5~6 hours at a time, every single day, no exceptions (except weekends when it's slightly higher).

Unfortunate. The server looked like it was going to be fun, but the misrepresentation is just too gross.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Emcee on Jan 08, 2018, 10:43 PM
Its normal to me im playing it and its fun. I see people everywhere lmao who are these haters
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Archer11 on Jan 09, 2018, 04:49 AM
I Believe It's legit. though multiclient is a thing so I believe the real population would range from 100-200~ .  it's not a fake population but it's a result of multicleint
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Deviant. on Feb 08, 2018, 07:07 PM
Ah. A page out of yrvine's book
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: omnirusted on Feb 08, 2018, 07:12 PM
Update on this: CapeRO was 100% faking it's population. His Gepard license ran out, and no one could log on. When it happened there were, at total, 50 merchants. Website said there were 350 people online. He then shut down the entire server after scamming people out of money for donations.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: SukiChii on Feb 08, 2018, 07:50 PM
The server shut down?
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: aerolite on Feb 09, 2018, 02:13 PM
Quote from: Kiroshou on Jan 05, 2018, 08:39 AM
When I first logged in, there were 386 people online. Hey, that's not bad at all considering how new the server is and how much more dead RO is these days.

What started to become suspicious was how the main town only ever had about 10~15 people in it at any one time. Well okay, everyone is out leveling, or in other areas. I asked about it in #main chat and people said that most people are just in other towns. Oh yes, the good old "guild town" thing that RO clans do.

Unfortunately that seemed to only make up, in total, about 30 more people online. In the designated vending area, there were in total 29 vendors.

Thus far we have less than 80 players accounted for. But, it's very fair to assume that most people are, you know, actually playing the game, so they wouldn't be sitting in a town doing nothing.

This is what I figured until I realized that the server population only ever fluctuated by 3~4 in my 4 hours of playtime yesterday. This is something that just doesn't happen. A server does not stay so close to the 382~386 population mark for such a long period of time. No matter, every server has its downtime, the hours that just aren't very good for an english speaking population.

The issue there is that the population, even then, had never went below 350 online. I have never ever seen a server that is so consistently populated 24 hours a day, yet with so many leveling areas being devoid of players, which leads me to believe that the population advertised isn't legitimate.

For old servers. I noticed that some players play most of the time during War of Emperium. Are you sure you didn't see that population during WoE?
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Insomnia2000 on Feb 09, 2018, 04:16 PM
From their site:
Quote- Disconnection Notice -

CapeRO has come to an end after a good run.

This stuff always makes me laugh a little. It comes off like:

"You know how it normally takes a few months to kill an RO server? Well we killed it in two!"
"Pretty good run I'd say!"
"Yeah mate, maybe next run-through will be a little quicker!"
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: SukiChii on Feb 09, 2018, 10:15 PM
Wow. 
After defending is so vehemently, it closed.
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: omnirusted on Feb 09, 2018, 11:55 PM
Quote from: aerolite on Feb 09, 2018, 02:13 PM
For old servers. I noticed that some players play most of the time during War of Emperium. Are you sure you didn't see that population during WoE?

WoE was literally never implemented. BG was implemented for 2 days before he shut it down too to 'fix' (IE: It was more work than he expected to keep the scam up).
Title: Re: Is CapeRO faking its population?
Post by: Lunalepsy on Apr 06, 2018, 12:11 AM
Check their Thor Patcher and see if they're manipulating their player count variable. That way you'll see they'll have a fixed population that will never go down a certain number.