I never really intended to hurt Labyrinth RO, but the GM deserves it.

[wilbur009]

The server was new and had potential. I invited a few friends over and we started to make huge changes to the server that affected all classes. Considering that it's a 1000/255 type of server Sinx didn't rule the PvP. Anyone with the correct build did. The server was looking great, players were coming in, a lot of players that was new to the SHR [4] 1000/255 environment and my 2 friends and I were glad to help anyone get a basic build. All well and good, then one day. maybe it was my fault, but the GM entered the PvP and I blurted out "You should buff the custom dagger. 50% def feels underwhelming. Considering it costs around 40k Gold." Gm says "Nope". And sure I guess that's ok, I was a bit salty, but no problem, no biggie. So I say Lol and just continue pvping with my Sinx. He teleports back to PvP and starts talking about Sinx would be OP if he buffed the dagger, blah, blah, blah. We argued for a bit and I realized that he was right and I really didn't think about Sinx, since I was thinking more about Ninjas and Creators. And I tell him K lol. Maybe that's rude ? Lol idk. So conversation ends.

I leave PvP and switch to my WS. I guess I just chill for a bit and play league and switch tabs doing whatever. Then I go back to the LabryrinthRO and chill at @go 0. Then the GM just starts talking to me about how I've been disrespectful lately and he doesn't want to be treated with disrespect and I ask him "How have I been disrespectful?" I asked him for some Chat Logs on what I said and I might not have proof or any screenshots he always seem to dodge that "Chat Logs or you lie" bullet, but I NEVER said any type of disrespectful comments towards him directly, never ever never ever. Unless you take "Lol k" as being rude, then I guess I was rude. Then he starts talking about how he doesn't receive enough gratitude, he works hard behind the scenes, and I say "Don't make a server, if it's too hard for you" See that comment can go both ways, but let me tell you that that comment was not towards him, but more of a general statement. Yes I understand you work hard, I mean making a server, doing changes, edits, whatever is damn difficult and I salute you for. But I guess he wants me to ride his d**k and give him a hug every time he makes some changes. I suggested A LOT of stuff on the suggestion area, and let me tell you that these are from my personal preference, but they are changes for ALL the classes that actually helped all the classes individually, call them a personal preference, but as cliche as it is, it was for the good of the mass. And after those changes were implemented ? BAM! Pvp became so diverse and fun. Yet, he calls them "Personal Preference" and  "I do not want to become your slave" type of sh**.

Lately I cannot find a server that is decent. If I find a server, it's either the server is good, but awful admin, or good admin, but horrible server content. If you are still with me after this long journey take a quick water break and come back. So back to the story Sure I wasn't being super respectful, but I also wasn't being disrespectful, it was a neutral type of respect. I gave him a few thanks after some changes from here and now, normal stuff. But NOOOOOO this guy wants to be loved he wants to be cradled because he is doing what he is doing what he is supposed to do. So I backlash with "Who are you? Some type of god?" See I went that far, because that's the type of respect he was looking from me. He wanted me to bow down, and leave him offerings of thanks for keeping me alive, yet another day. I don't do that, I am not that type of guy or will I ever be, that is just not who I am sorry. Few hours pass after that little incident and I was on my Star Gladiator just looking at custom stuff at the mall. He warps to me and asks "Do you remember telling me that "Don't make a server if it's too hard?" I say "Sure" and he instantly teleports me to jail. Oh buddddyyyy see from my point of view we moved on, we were done, over. But this guy held a grudge on a PLAYER as a GM, HOW SAD IS THAT ? Even someone like me wouldn't hold a grudge, because to me bygones are bygones, it happened, it's done, whatever move on with my life as a teen and just PvP. He jails me and tell me that I've broken rule #7 on his Server Rules. Here is rule number 7 "Insulting, racism, and harassment are illegal." There's more but that's the main beef. See I didn't pester the guy, I didn't say any racial slurs, maybe I insulted him because simply he can't handle any form of talk backs. Get jailed for 7 days I ask him to give me Chat Logs of my being disrespect beside the earlier "issue" as I already know about those. He leaves and a few minutes later comes back with "You want Chat Logs? Any of my players are WELCOME to see the Chat Logs." that's when it becomes suspicious. I mean if I am the wrongdoer here he can easily show me the issue and I can accept them. But nooooooooo he dodges yet another bullet. After that I tell him that he is hiding something. He says "Lol" and leave. How ironic don't you agree? . He comes back saying "Sorry but this is a Major Offense and a few seconds later. I am banned. That's it, just like that, forum ban, ip ban. I guess that's just how it is. I was upset for a bit, but hey that's my experience, it was worth while it lasted.

TL;DR IF you want to play Labyrinth RO for the balanced classes and PvP go ahead. But if you are looking for a GM that doesn't get offended to every little things said to him then THIS. SERVER. IS. NOT. FOR. YOU.

Thanks for the read, it was fun. Sorry that I couldn't provide any ss or proof, but if you don't believe me go ahead, but I am telling you all that this was my experience for Labyrinth RO. The GM could probably provide Chat Logs, but....he most likely won't. Lol. I might edit later once I get a SS from a friend that also plays the server. Hopefully they enjoy the server. Chuuu chuuu lets look for a new server ~

Server Rules: labyrinthro.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=4&pid=4#pid4

[Lostestate]

The community of LabyrinthRO has contributed to class balance. Class balance wasn't CREATED by you and you alone.Reason being, I opened up suggestions to players and implemented changes I felt were necessary. You claim absolutely too much credit for yourself.. Your 2 friends helped out as well and so did Olaf, Tatsu, Hyper so on and so forth.

Yes you invited 2 friends. And apparently both of which have been polite with suggestions, of which still get to enjoy the class balance and pvp.

That day when you were suggesting about daggers you were persistent and insisted and sounding extremely sarcastic with me rejecting your idea. You weren't 'sure I guess that's ok'. You admitted you were salty, and you were salty as hell. And kept insisting and persisting. You didn't just say 'k' and leave it there. You got your friend to try and persuade me.

Subsequently you started persuading my players to leave. I have evidence of this but likewise to protect the identity of the player, I am not revealing it here. Whoever wishes to see may pm me.

Even pertaining to the concentration buffer idea that I rejected. You still wanted it so bad that you asked your friend who's closer to me than you to speak to me about it.

Your first few suggestions were alright. After awhile it became you wanting to make PvP your own. And that was not something I was doing to do. Respectfully I rejected your ideas. I even had to say sorry to you for rejecting your ideas lmao..

"Don't make a server, if it's too hard for you"

That's not what you said. Look at the screenshot below.

I never complaint about the hardwork. I never complained for that matter of fact. I voiced out that it was REALLY sad that I was working so hard for an ungrateful player like you who couldn't even treat me with the minimum level of respect. i.e. to respect my decision instead of create drama in the background amongst your friends because i didn't accept your suggestion.

I told you that you don't know how much work comes from behind the scenes. It's easy to make suggestions but the amount of work is ridiculous.

Just because I didn't implement concentration in the buffer you had to make a whole drama.

I didn't get a server to have drama, I didn't get one to baby over a player who is so completely ungrateful.

I work hard on my server for the grateful players that I have on my server.

It's extremely discouraging to work so hard on a server and to end up being treated like a slave and treated with absolute and utter disrespect, as if I owed it to you to create a server perfectly to suit your PvP style.



This is what you said.

"don't make a server if you are going to complain about the hard work"

That's the kind of respect I get after slogging long night to implement suggestions by you.

And when I FINALLY decided to not implement one suggestion i.e. add back concentration to the buffer, you labeled it a stealth nerf on my forums and insisted it was a stealth nerf when I clearly told you it was intended to be as so and it's not a nerf at all. Just because you couldn't hit your max attack with 8 seyrens.

You are trying to make it look like you have not committed and offence. What you quoted was just the first part of it. That just goes to show your credibility. This is my rule number 7.

"7.  Insulting, racism and harassment are illegal. LabyrinthRO is a community of friendly players and every player should be treated with mutual respect.
1st Offence: 7 day jail | 2nd Offence: 30 day ban | 3rd Offence: Permanent Ban. "

Everyone player should be treated with mutual respect.

I chose to create a server where people can come to relax in rather than go online and get drama.

As spoken to you in game before, I would have accepted your suggestions if you were more polite and respected my decisions.

But if by me rejecting 1 suggestion, and you persistently insisting for me to make changes and telling other players you want to quit PvP since I didn't want to is respecting me then I think you really don't understand the definition of respect.

This is our ToS upon registration.

LabyrinthRO ToS

"ToS

1. You have read the rules on the forums.

2. You agree to abide by the rules on the forums.

3. You understand that LabyrinthRO reserves the right to punish according to degree of severity of offence.

4. You agree to be friendly to all players.

5. You will support us in our goal in building a friendly and supportive community."

You had absolute and utter disrespect for an admin and my players could see it. It was not disrespect that only I felt. It was disrespect that my players saw you treat me with.





There's more but to protect the identity of the person, I have only messaged those images to yC.

Let me correct what he said
'IF you want to play Labyrinth RO for the balanced classes and PvP go ahead. But if you are looking for a GM that doesn't get offended to every little things said to him then THIS. SERVER. IS. NOT. FOR. YOU.'

I don't get offended to little things said to me. I get offended when you break the rules of the server I've created. In this case it's absolute and utter disrespect. Public disrespect.

If I don't get to ban a player that can tell me "don't make a server if you are going to complain about the hard work" and treat me like a slave to do all the dirty work to make PvP suitable and ideal for himself, which is the exact opposite of my motto of making a friendly and supportive community, I don't know what other reasons I can ban a player for.

If he could be rude to an Admin, he can be rude to my future players as well.

Oh btw Wilbur, I do know that you tried to pull my players away to "show me that I need you just as much as you need me", sorry to say this but you're absolutely wrong.

You're self-centred. That's the cold hard truth. You think that everybody owes it to you, including me, to suit you when it comes to suggestions. You told my player off and said to him that 'WE created balance' no, you're wrong, the community did, everyone of my players that tested out PvP contributed to PvP balance. You discredit everything they've done.

If you showed the slightest bit of gratitude, which does not surmount to saying 'yes sir thank you sir you are God'.

Slightest bit of gratitude meaning, don't complain to other players and tell them you want to quit pvp and persuade them to leave the server to 'show me that I need you just as much as you need me' when I reject your suggestion.

Even if you didn't say thank you it would have been fine.

But you did the opposite of saying thank you.

Really disappointed that I have to deal with this drama that you've created. Thank you for making this turn out so ugly.

In my defence, my closing statement will be that if even my players could see the disrespect he has shown me, that just sums up how publicly disrespectful he has been and he can't fault me for 'being a GM that gets offended to every little things said to me' cause it musn't have been little things for my players to see it as well.

In all, I hope this has been sufficient evidence to act as evidence to show that he is not a credible person and his review is flawed.

[wilbur009]

Mod pls close this thread. Thanks

[Lostestate]

Please don't close this thread just yet.

[rubie123]

I can't stand players like wilbur009. As an admin you can never expect most players to understand the work you put in to your server.
Admins also should never have too close of a relationship with players, because this is where it ends up when you do.

[Zia]

Your player seemed irritating, yeah. But you should never use "I work so hard" as a reason to counter for whatever they complain about. They didn't ask you to break your back to set up and maintain a server, that was your decision.

Just my 2 cents.

[Lostestate]

Appreciate your 2 cents.

'I never complaint about the hardwork. I never complained for that matter of fact. I voiced out that it was REALLY sad that I was working so hard for an ungrateful player like you who couldn't even treat me with the minimum level of respect. i.e. to respect my decision instead of create drama in the background amongst your friends because i didn't accept your suggestion.'

I think you might have missed this out my friend.

[Esdese22]

I can't stand players like wilbur009.

+1

And just because there're suggestions doesn't mean it have to be fulfilled

[yC]

This can be avoided, players have to be more understanding and server staff should stick to their professional image as much as possible.


For example, sometimes when I have to wait in a long line to get to a human at the bank, the conversation goes like this at the end of the business:

Me: "So many people today, the line is so long."
Teller: "Yea it's always like this around this time."

Then it's a casual conversation and I move on with my day.


The conversation could have gone another way:

Me: "Why is the line so long?  Hire more people!"
Teller: "You think you waited long?  I have worked all day here non-stop."

Then you can imagine things could go ugly from there.

[Lostestate]

Thank you for the response.

I agree with you absolutely that this could have been avoided yC, will heed your advice and apply it from here on.

To clarify with whoever will read this, since it is a 'review' after all, I did explain to the player umpteen times on why his suggestions were rejected it a professional manner.

I did however need to let him know the audience my server is targetting, and that's to friendly, respectful players, after he had shown me absolute and utter disrespect.

I was hoping he would change by me letting him know that I do not slog for him and him alone. And that is what I meant by I have worked hard, for my community of respectful players, not for a disrespectful player like him.

If you ask me why I even bothered to go to such an extent do so, and not execute punishment right away for breaking a rule, it's because I treasure each and every single one of my players and take the extra effort to explain to them and hopefully get them to change and not repeat the same offence so I don't need to punish for rule breaking..

The disrespect did not start with him asking me not to make a server. This was after numerous aggravations, why else would I have had this conversation with him

In summary, I think my proof is sufficient in discreditting the author, wilbur009's post.

As such, I rest my case.

Thank you for the responses.

[Irreverence]

99% of the players you 'work for' are ingrates, mate. that s*** just comes with the territory. Try not to take things too personal. Players like wilbur will always value themselves a huge contribution to the server, and if they offer any small dose of help or suggestions which you heed, they immediately ingratiate themselves to some ridiculous level.

I think banning someone for such a minor exchange of words--no matter how often it happens-- is a bit harsh, but we run two different servers, so I wouldn't try to tell you how to run your show. Like I said man, don't take it too personal.

wilbur's a dildo tho, for real.

[wilbur009]

Sure go ahead dislike me, but if you actually played on his server and understood how people had to kiss up and ride his d**k just so they can be safe from a ban or jail. A bit of a talk back will surely hurt you so I suggest if you were to play on his server make sure you hug him daily. And that screenshot of iGaren, LOL the boy sits next to him during conversations and cradles the Admin. Can't do nothing about that. Earlier I switched IP's and played, he caught me and he said that he will unban me if I 'follow' his rules. I said Ok, Ok, Ok, Ok the way he spoke to me made me feel like I'm a criminal, I didn't hack, I didn't bot, I didn't do some edit w/e all I did was talk back a little and be annoying. I guess as a GM it was too much for you to handle. O well. 

[wilbur009]

Keep sticking up for him. And I told my friend to speak to him for me, because he will most likely implement it if it came from him. I mean that's how favoritism works huh ?

[Irreverence]

right, it couldn't possibly be a s*** attitude at fault here. It's gotta be the big bad GM who is oppressing you.

[wilbur009]

You might thing our suggestions weren't big. To me I'm sure it was pretty significant. We played the day after the server came out. I understand you put a lot of effort into this server, but I can easily tell you had no clue on how to fix effects and balance abilities for PvP, hey you did good on the equipment part, but lacked on one of the cores of RO, PvP. It was possible to hit 120 anti-range, reflect 120% damage, 120% magic reflect, Taos isn't even 100% hp it's like a clunky 60%. One of my suggestions was to return back Concentration to the buffer. The buffer gave you all the buffs, foods, and stuff. Concentration weakened the ATK based classes whether it be DEX or STR, and this was a huge thing because it happened right after you gave spiral like 100% damage buff(Easy 120k each spiral) the thing is that they can easily hit max atk with 11 seyren and have low def because of the custom spear and concentration. So it is a stealth nerf. Only a few other classes are able to hit max ATK even with 12 seyren or thanatos maero(100 dex). Your reply was something along these lines "They just have to get -128 def on the left side so they don't become thana bait. Lol K. Il leave it at that. That's a sample of his RO logic. Another one of his 'original' feature was Ki Blast on SG and removal of Hatred. See I agree with the removal of Hatred, because it's pretty vicious if you ask me, but Ki Blast, Dangerous Soul Collect, Body Relocate on an SG lmaoooo I might just make a Champ. Raid added on SG was decent. Another example of his RO logic.